Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Sometimes the OCD gets worse when you start the medication. But that can be an indication that it's going to work. Other than that, I think either they will help a lot, help some, or just not touch it. But they can cause other behaviors. That happening with you? > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 What med are you referring to? My dd originally took Abilify to augment an SSRI and her OCD skyrocketed. In fact, due to comorbid diagnoses she was placed on Abilify 3 times. All 3 times it increased her OCD symptoms a great deal. It also sent her anxiety through the roof. Stormy ________________________________ To: Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM Subject: OCD Meds. Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 It's individual, as always with meds... but the atypicals(risperidal/seroquil/olanzipine) all increased the OCD rapidly, and on very low doses, with our son. It was added to an ssri, to help with anger/behavior, and we learned after that the ssri was too high a dose, so the combo only made everything worse. We tried again with lowered ssri dose, but still was problematic. Our kid is not " typical " with meds though. A really high dose of atypical was given upon hospital admission, and this was calming. So, dose and how it is used, for what purpose, affects response. Stormy mentioned this with regard to bipolar. I have read studies stating concerns that atypicals may increase OCD in some people(don't think it was conclusive). Again, individual differences... I think you said your daughter is taking seroquel now? Is that the only med she is taking? What dose is she at now, and what are you seeing? Have you been keeping a journal to track changes? Warmly, Barb > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > Subject: OCD Meds. > > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Seroquel. > What med are you referring to? My dd originally took Abilify to augment an SSRI > and her OCD skyrocketed. In fact, due to comorbid diagnoses she was placed on > Abilify 3 times. All 3 times it increased her OCD symptoms a great deal. It also > sent her anxiety through the roof. Stormy > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > Subject: OCD Meds. > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yes, especially in the beginning. That's why increasing the dose slowly is best. In my experience it takes at leat 2 weeks to see benefit with many drugs. However, extreme behavioral reactions should be reported. Bonnie > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 She is taking 12mg. of Lamictal and about 5omg. of seroquel. B4 the seroquel...she was up until 3 am with her rituals. Now she falls alseep easier, but keeps comlaining of the bombarding thoughts in her head. She is getting mean from these thoughts. I don't want 2 give up on it yet, since Luvox and Celexa made her so hyper... I had 2 stop them. > It's individual, as always with meds... but the > atypicals(risperidal/seroquil/olanzipine) all increased the OCD rapidly, and on very low doses, with our son. It was added to an ssri, to help with anger/behavior, and we learned after that the ssri was too high a dose, so the combo only made everything worse. We tried again with lowered ssri dose, but still was problematic. Our kid is not " typical " with meds though. > > A really high dose of atypical was given upon hospital admission, and this was calming. So, dose and how it is used, for what purpose, affects response. Stormy mentioned this with regard to bipolar. > > I have read studies stating concerns that atypicals may increase OCD in some people(don't think it was conclusive). Again, individual differences... > > I think you said your daughter is taking seroquel now? Is that the only med she is taking? What dose is she at now, and what are you seeing? > > Have you been keeping a journal to track changes? > > Warmly, > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To: > > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > > Subject: OCD Meds. > > > > > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Wilma have the thoughts increased? Is she talking about OCD thoughts, or is her mind racing and everything moving too fast? As previously mentioned, this sounds more like signs of bipolar if so. This could be brought out by the medication, or actual. Is this new for her? Our son reported this experience, but it happened over a five day period, with risperidone (same class of med as seroquel), the OCD spiked like crazy and compulsions too. This was very distinct and rapid. We did have spike in symptoms with any dose change though. I'm sorry, I don't remember how long it's been since your daughter started the seroquel? There is the adapting period, generally three weeks it starts to settled down. If the thoughts bombarding her are OCD based, neither of those medications directly address the OCD, to my knowledge. But I'm not a doctor, and I don't know what your doctor intends and what his assessment is. I know you mentioned PANDAS is a consideration, and medications when there is untreated PANDAS can be problematic, so this may be a factor? Have antibiotics been tried yet? I can't remember where things are with PANDAS treatment, if any. Since the seroquel is helping her sleep, this is significant, and needed. It may be that she needs an increase in the seroquel, or the lamictal to see more benefit. As Stormy as mentioned, how the meds are used is dose specific, and specific to diagnosis, or the symptoms being addressed. Keep talking to your doctor and clarifying his/her thinking and plan. Unfortunately all you can do is keep trying things, and it is very hard, I know. I really feel for you, and hope you can find what will work best soon. Hugs to you! Barb > > > It's individual, as always with meds... but the > > atypicals(risperidal/seroquil/olanzipine) all increased the OCD rapidly, and on very low doses, with our son. It was added to an ssri, to help with anger/behavior, and we learned after that the ssri was too high a dose, so the combo only made everything worse. We tried again with lowered ssri dose, but still was problematic. Our kid is not " typical " with meds though. > > > > A really high dose of atypical was given upon hospital admission, and this was calming. So, dose and how it is used, for what purpose, affects response. Stormy mentioned this with regard to bipolar. > > > > I have read studies stating concerns that atypicals may increase OCD in some people(don't think it was conclusive). Again, individual differences... > > > > I think you said your daughter is taking seroquel now? Is that the only med she is taking? What dose is she at now, and what are you seeing? > > > > Have you been keeping a journal to track changes? > > > > Warmly, > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Wilma <wilma1866@> > > > To: > > > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > > > Subject: OCD Meds. > > > > > > > > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Low doses of Seroquel will act like an antidepressant and can cause manic or hypomanic symtpoms in children. These are children who don't respond well to SSRI's either. That doesn't entirely mean they are bipolar, but they cannot tolerate antidepressants or drugs that have antidepressant effects, but they may indeed have a mood dosorder (that sometimes presents as anxiety or mixed anxiety and depression that can be confused with OCD). Docotrs need to know if children are having severe behavioral changes on medication - esp new meds. I have recently come to understand that the mood stabilizer Lamictal has antidepressant qualities. We have just stopped my son's Lamictal (been on it almost 3 yrs), Seroquel is next and he is doing better. How much Seroquel is she taking? Matt can't handle more than 12.5 mg (1/2 of the smallest tablet dose). We use it as a sleeping pill basically. Bonnie > > > > > It's individual, as always with meds... but the > > > atypicals(risperidal/seroquil/olanzipine) all increased the OCD rapidly, and on very low doses, with our son. It was added to an ssri, to help with anger/behavior, and we learned after that the ssri was too high a dose, so the combo only made everything worse. We tried again with lowered ssri dose, but still was problematic. Our kid is not " typical " with meds though. > > > > > > A really high dose of atypical was given upon hospital admission, and this was calming. So, dose and how it is used, for what purpose, affects response. Stormy mentioned this with regard to bipolar. > > > > > > I have read studies stating concerns that atypicals may increase OCD in some people(don't think it was conclusive). Again, individual differences... > > > > > > I think you said your daughter is taking seroquel now? Is that the only med she is taking? What dose is she at now, and what are you seeing? > > > > > > Have you been keeping a journal to track changes? > > > > > > Warmly, > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Wilma <wilma1866@> > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > > > > Subject: OCD Meds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 she is on 25mg. but it does not get her to sleep. she has severe ocd and she is up til 3am every night. the 50mg. knocks her out, but it is making her mean and more confused. > Low doses of Seroquel will act like an antidepressant and can cause manic or hypomanic symtpoms in children. These are children who don't respond well to SSRI's either. That doesn't entirely mean they are bipolar, but they cannot tolerate antidepressants or drugs that have antidepressant effects, but they may indeed have a mood dosorder (that sometimes presents as anxiety or mixed anxiety and depression that can be confused with OCD). Docotrs need to know if children are having severe behavioral changes on medication - esp new meds. > > I have recently come to understand that the mood stabilizer Lamictal has antidepressant qualities. We have just stopped my son's Lamictal (been on it almost 3 yrs), Seroquel is next and he is doing better. > > How much Seroquel is she taking? Matt can't handle more than 12.5 mg (1/2 of the smallest tablet dose). We use it as a sleeping pill basically. > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > It's individual, as always with meds... but the > > > > atypicals(risperidal/seroquil/olanzipine) all increased the OCD rapidly, and on very low doses, with our son. It was added to an ssri, to help with anger/behavior, and we learned after that the ssri was too high a dose, so the combo only made everything worse. We tried again with lowered ssri dose, but still was problematic. Our kid is not " typical " with meds though. > > > > > > > > A really high dose of atypical was given upon hospital admission, and this was calming. So, dose and how it is used, for what purpose, affects response. Stormy mentioned this with regard to bipolar. > > > > > > > > I have read studies stating concerns that atypicals may increase OCD in some people(don't think it was conclusive). Again, individual differences... > > > > > > > > I think you said your daughter is taking seroquel now? Is that the only med she is taking? What dose is she at now, and what are you seeing? > > > > > > > > Have you been keeping a journal to track changes? > > > > > > > > Warmly, > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Wilma <wilma1866@> > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > > > > > Subject: OCD Meds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 As I mentioned, meds that have antidepressant qualities can trigger hypomanic states. We stopped Lamictal because of its antidepressant qualities. Seroquel at 50mg is still an antidepresssant. I wonder if your pdoc would try trileptal or a depakote? What are her OCD symptoms like? Bonnie > > > > > > > > > It's individual, as always with meds... but the > > > > > atypicals(risperidal/seroquil/olanzipine) all increased the OCD rapidly, and on very low doses, with our son. It was added to an ssri, to help with anger/behavior, and we learned after that the ssri was too high a dose, so the combo only made everything worse. We tried again with lowered ssri dose, but still was problematic. Our kid is not " typical " with meds though. > > > > > > > > > > A really high dose of atypical was given upon hospital admission, and this was calming. So, dose and how it is used, for what purpose, affects response. Stormy mentioned this with regard to bipolar. > > > > > > > > > > I have read studies stating concerns that atypicals may increase OCD in some people(don't think it was conclusive). Again, individual differences... > > > > > > > > > > I think you said your daughter is taking seroquel now? Is that the only med she is taking? What dose is she at now, and what are you seeing? > > > > > > > > > > Have you been keeping a journal to track changes? > > > > > > > > > > Warmly, > > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Wilma <wilma1866@> > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:09:06 PM > > > > > > Subject: OCD Meds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do some OCD meds. make the OCD worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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