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Muffy;

I've not experienced the muscle spasms for any length of time but tonight and

all day my right shoulder is SCREEMING at me too. Just thought I'd share the

understanding. I use heat and ice.

Wishes for wellness, Melt

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oh, and if it's any help, i have been in a flare for the past several weeks

and my right shoulder and down into my elbow and wrist is freakin' KILLING

ME.

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The best way I would describe this arthritis is when I would say, " Someone

real strong just smashed me with a baseball bat " . I remember when I could walk

but the joints in my upper body were bad. It was close to impossible to drive

the car.

Hugs and a restful day

Liz

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Hi ,

The spasms maybe related to possible electrolyte imbalances (if you're

taking steroids). The prednisone plays havoc with calcium and

potassium..........BUTTT., I'm not on the steroids anymore and I occasionally

get severe spasms

in my calf muscles (usually after a long night at the hospital)...The only

way I can relieve the spasm is to flex my leg the instant I feel the spasm.

Hurts like hell initially, but it stops the spasm..............Good luck....

Beth G

Houston

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Dear Muffy,

These " tremors " are really muscle spasms. I get these all the time and can

watch the skin move around by itself. It's very disturbing to see, but

harmless. You kind of have to accept that your own body is not really under

your control anymore with this , that's the way I look at it.

The tremors get worse when I'm tired. You can go through periods where you get

them alot and then a reprieve where it happens a lot less.

As for the arm pain, Stills can do this too. I've had days where I can hardly

move my arm and then the next day it's fine. There are so many things with this

disease that just don't make any sense.

Thanks for posting about this,

beth

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Hiya Muffy,

I don't get tremors persay, but I do get the muscle spasms. Either in

my neck, hand, or foot, it will just contract and stay there. It hurts

and is scary. I wish I knew what it was.

Houston

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>

> hey, kids --

>

> has anyone else on the list had issues with involuntary muscle

tremors

> and/or spasms?

>

> for the past 48 hours i have had an all-new and bizarre muscle

contraction

> goin' on on the " judo chop " portion of my right hand. it doesn't

hurt --

> it's just that about 3 or 4 times a minute it looks as though an

invisible

> stick is poking into the side of my hand and causing it to dimple

in. so

> very, very odd.

>

> oh, and if it's any help, i have been in a flare for the past

several weeks

> and my right shoulder and down into my elbow and wrist is freakin'

KILLING

> ME.

>

> has anyone ever heard of or experienced such craziness?

>

> thanks! this list is a godsend (even for a heathen like me!)

>

> =;-)

>

> xoxo

> muffy

>

> Hello,Muffy; I have to relate! I had the same pain from the shoulder

(the scapula behind my shoulder blade)to my elbow and all the way to

my wrist,also! Mine was left sided...that probably doesn't matter!)

I also get thing leg " JUMP " thing in bed-like a donkey kick to the

side!

I thought it might be from the spine...I am not sure. Or the meds.?

Anyway-I hope you have a decent day.

Pleased to meet you. I am Bram.

>

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I am wondering if this is due to a metabolic disturbance that we get with

Still's. Some doctors have postulated that Still's is less of an autoimmune

disorder than a metabolic disorder. That's why it affects absolutely everything

in the body. But the question is, metabolic disturbance of what? Is this where

the high Ferritin level can come from? Anybody have more info?

-beth

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HI Muffy,

I can relate. I too have the spasm and tremors at times. In fact, I was

having the tremors yesterday REAL bad.

Have you tried adding extra calcium and Vit.D to help out? And don't forget

the magnesium to be taken with these two. It really helps out with the

spasms.

I hope you are feeling better with this and that your day is a low pain day

for you.

, Oregon

>

> hey, kids --

>

> has anyone else on the list had issues with involuntary muscle tremors

> and/or spasms?

>

>

> thanks! this list is a godsend (even for a heathen like me!)

>

> =;-)

>

> xoxo

> muffy

>

>

>

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SPEEDY :-)

Meds:

MTX 15 mg; Prednisone 5mg; Leucovorin 5 mg; Armour Thyroid 60 mg

Supporters:

MSM; DHEA 25 mg; Omega3 fish oil 8 daily; Vit. C; Vit. D; B-Complex; Vit

B-12;

Lithium Ortate; Osteo Comlex; Glucosamine & Chondroitin; and Essential

Minerals, AND cALCIUM 1500 mg

" Love endures all things. "

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Hello,

You mentioned that your shoulder has been painful. There is a nerve that runs

down the outside of the arm to the elbow and then continues to the wrist area.

Anytime a joint is inflammed it can cause the nerves to get compressed due to

the swelling and these nerves do not act like they should. Let your doctor know

what all you are expirencing. I hope this info helps you.

Danni

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>

> hey, kids --

>

> has anyone else on the list had issues with involuntary muscle

tremors

> and/or spasms?

>

> for the past 48 hours i have had an all-new and bizarre muscle

contraction

> goin' on on the " judo chop " portion of my right hand. it doesn't

hurt --

> it's just that about 3 or 4 times a minute it looks as though an

invisible

> stick is poking into the side of my hand and causing it to dimple

in. so

> very, very odd.

>

> oh, and if it's any help, i have been in a flare for the past

several weeks

> and my right shoulder and down into my elbow and wrist is freakin'

KILLING

> ME.

>

> has anyone ever heard of or experienced such craziness?

>

> thanks! this list is a godsend (even for a heathen like me!)

>

> =;-)

>

> xoxo

> muffy

>

> Hello,Muffy; I have to relate! I had the same pain from the shoulder

(the scapula behind my shoulder blade)to my elbow and all the way to

my wrist,also! Mine was left sided...that probably doesn't matter!)

I also get thing leg " JUMP " thing in bed-like a donkey kick to the

side!

I thought it might be from the spine...I am not sure. Or the meds.?

Anyway-I hope you have a decent day.

Pleased to meet you. I am Bram.

>

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Hiya Beth,

I don't take pred and it's not the same feeling as a charlie horse -

though it may very well be the same thing causing it. And they don't

occur at particular times, like say when my diet isn't all that great -

like charlie horses do. It happens usually when I'm flaring some and

have been feeling the flare and my body's tired from it. It's really

strange and it freaks me out every time when it happens in my neck -

I'm afraid it's going to get stuck like that! lol

Houston

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Remind me of the ratios to take of Calcium to Vit. D to Magnesium.

Thanks,

> >

> > hey, kids --

> >

> > has anyone else on the list had issues with involuntary muscle

tremors

> > and/or spasms?

> >

> >

> > thanks! this list is a godsend (even for a heathen like me!)

> >

> > =;-)

> >

> > xoxo

> > muffy

> >

> >

> >

> --

> SPEEDY :-)

> Meds:

> MTX 15 mg; Prednisone 5mg; Leucovorin 5 mg; Armour Thyroid 60 mg

> Supporters:

> MSM; DHEA 25 mg; Omega3 fish oil 8 daily; Vit. C; Vit. D; B-

Complex; Vit

> B-12;

> Lithium Ortate; Osteo Comlex; Glucosamine & Chondroitin; and

Essential

> Minerals, AND cALCIUM 1500 mg

>

> " Love endures all things. "

>

>

>

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I know I am late in responding to the tremor issue, but I just wanted to say

that my " tremors " were coming on strong out of nowhere and the working

diagnosis is MS, though they don't really think so as of right now. Turns

out my tonsils at my brainstem are elongated, reducing CSF. I stutter/slur

and have difficulty finding the right words to say. I get a little dizzy at

night, light-headed, and am off balance. I had difficulty swallowing a while

back. Does anyone have anything similar? Does anyone have any information at

all?

In His Strength,

Faith Fights

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>

>Reply-To: Stillsdisease

>To: <Stillsdisease >

>Subject: Re: tremorama!

>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:54 -0400

>

>Dear Muffy,

>

>These " tremors " are really muscle spasms. I get these all the time and can

>watch the skin move around by itself. It's very disturbing to see, but

>harmless. You kind of have to accept that your own body is not really

>under your control anymore with this , that's the way I look at it.

>

>The tremors get worse when I'm tired. You can go through periods where you

>get them alot and then a reprieve where it happens a lot less.

>As for the arm pain, Stills can do this too. I've had days where I can

>hardly move my arm and then the next day it's fine. There are so many

>things with this disease that just don't make any sense.

>

>Thanks for posting about this,

>

>beth

>

>

>

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Kate,

I have had all the symptoms you described, plus I have lesions in my brain.

But the lumbar puncture I had ruled out MS for now. Neuro doc said lesions

were caused by the still's. I wish I had some info for you but I don't.

Hope you can find out what's wrong so you can start to feel better.

Brett Tacoma, WA.

Re: tremorama!

>>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:54 -0400

>>

>>Dear Muffy,

>>

>>These " tremors " are really muscle spasms. I get these all the time and

>>can

>>watch the skin move around by itself. It's very disturbing to see, but

>>harmless. You kind of have to accept that your own body is not really

>>under your control anymore with this , that's the way I look at it.

>>

>>The tremors get worse when I'm tired. You can go through periods where

>>you

>>get them alot and then a reprieve where it happens a lot less.

>>As for the arm pain, Stills can do this too. I've had days where I can

>>hardly move my arm and then the next day it's fine. There are so many

>>things with this disease that just don't make any sense.

>>

>>Thanks for posting about this,

>>

>>beth

>>

>>

>>

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Thanks Brett. My MRI didn't show lesions or MS, but the sypmtoms are still

present so we haven't completely ruled anything out or in. I guess I just

have to wait and see...though I wish I didn't have to wait so long. Take

care.

In His Strength,

Faith Fights

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>

>Reply-To: Stillsdisease

>To: <Stillsdisease >

>Subject: Re: tremorama!

>Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:50:47 -0700

>

>Kate,

>I have had all the symptoms you described, plus I have lesions in my brain.

>But the lumbar puncture I had ruled out MS for now. Neuro doc said lesions

>were caused by the still's. I wish I had some info for you but I don't.

>Hope you can find out what's wrong so you can start to feel better.

>

>Brett Tacoma, WA.

> Re: tremorama!

> >>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:54 -0400

> >>

> >>Dear Muffy,

> >>

> >>These " tremors " are really muscle spasms. I get these all the time and

> >>can

> >>watch the skin move around by itself. It's very disturbing to see, but

> >>harmless. You kind of have to accept that your own body is not really

> >>under your control anymore with this , that's the way I look at it.

> >>

> >>The tremors get worse when I'm tired. You can go through periods where

> >>you

> >>get them alot and then a reprieve where it happens a lot less.

> >>As for the arm pain, Stills can do this too. I've had days where I can

> >>hardly move my arm and then the next day it's fine. There are so many

> >>things with this disease that just don't make any sense.

> >>

> >>Thanks for posting about this,

> >>

> >>beth

> >>

> >>

> >>

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