Re:Colic and Night terrors

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe OCD

for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as an

infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had night

terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who had

difficulty falling asleep and staying asleep.

For those who may not know, night terrors are NOT nightmares. The

children are not awake during a night terror, even though their eyes may be

open.

They don't remember the incident the next day.

I would appreciate your experiences in these areas.

Thank you

Holly

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly, actually another son of mine had the night terrors and the bad colic.

Trying to remember the night terrors...he was 7 or 8 when he started them I

think. It was weird, as he sometimes had a vague memory of it, other times not.

I was researching those as intensely as I did OCD when it started for my other

son later. Although, my colicky/night terror son did go through a " phase " of

OCD during preschool age. He's a hyper type too. Oh, luckily the NT eventually

stopped, but it happened intermittently (could stop for a couple months) for a

year or more.

Oh, a question - did your daughter feel cold during/after the night terrors?

single mom, 3 sons

, 22, OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

, 22 (twin) - the colicky, NT one!

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> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

> night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe OCD

> for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as an

> infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had night

> terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response Chris!!

My daughter did not feel cold after the night terrors.

I posed this question to the group as a means of identifying if this was

somehow an indicator of the OCD to come. Some sort of hint of the

biology/pathology of anxiety disorders. When looking at " causes " like PANDAS,

or

lyme, or leaky gut etc. I though it would worthwhile to know if behaviors in

infancy and toddler age were somehow linked. When a child is inconsolable

like with colic and when they have night terrors, it feels to me they may be

dealing with extreme anxiety.

I'd still appreciate others feedback to let me know if your children had

colic or night terrors.

Holly

In a message dated 2/15/2011 7:10:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

@... writes:

Hi Holly, actually another son of mine had the night terrors and the bad

colic. Trying to remember the night terrors...he was 7 or 8 when he started

them I think. It was weird, as he sometimes had a vague memory of it, other

times not. I was researching those as intensely as I did OCD when it

started for my other son later. Although, my colicky/night terror son did go

through a " phase " of OCD during preschool age. He's a hyper type too. Oh,

luckily the NT eventually stopped, but it happened intermittently (could stop

for a couple months) for a year or more.

Oh, a question - did your daughter feel cold during/after the night

terrors?

single mom, 3 sons

, 22, OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

, 22 (twin) - the colicky, NT one!

>

> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

> night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe

OCD

> for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as

an

> infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had

night

> terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly,

The best we can do these days with understanding night terrors is that they ARE

related to extreme anxiety, but not an indicator or any particular anxiety

disorder in particular. We think they are most closely aligned with having panic

attacks while being asleep, so the anxiety is there, and they might REPORT

waking up thinking about something, but the terrors are not consistently related

to a particular theme like obsessions would be.

Most kids with night terrors don't get particular anxiety disorders later on in

life, but of course some do. There's still a lot unknown about them

Hope this helps,

Jim Hatton (aka drhat)

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> > Hello,

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> > I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

> > night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe

> OCD

> > for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as

> an

> > infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had

> night

> > terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who

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[Guest guest]

My most severely affected daughter (Asperger's, severe OCD, severe ADHD,

oppositional) had bad colic when she was a baby.  She was breastfed until age 2

1/2.  I suspect she was getting a lot of gluten through my breastmilk because I

breastfed her the longest of all my children and she has always been my most

difficult, high needs child.  That is just my own personal theory on my family

though.  Years later, she was diagnosed as gluten intolerant and casein

sensitive.

My middle daughter with Asperger's had severe reflux when she was a baby.  She

puked the entire time she was breastfed.  She puked constantly!  We had all

sorts of tests run on her to figure it out and never did figure it out.  But as

soon as I stopped breastfeeding her at age 9 months, she instantly stopped

puking.. It was like turning off a switch!  I had switched her to a milk-based

formula and she was fine with it.  Years later, she was diagnosed with gluten

intolerance.  So I deducted that she must have been puking as an infant because

of the gluten in my breastmilk (from me eating it).

My least affected daughter was only breastfed for about a month.  She was on a

milk-based formula throughout infancy and did not have colic or reflux as a

baby.  Today, she is my highest functioning Aspie (barely Aspie at all) but she

does have OCD.  She has a sensitivity to casein (and gluten) though, which

showed up on a blood test.

My 4yr old son was breastfed until he was almost 2 years old.  He had

significant reflux as well, but not quite as bad as the middle daughter.  He

showed many signs of being on the spectrum during that time.  He was most

certainly headed for an Asperger's diagnosis some day.  At age 3, I put him on

the GFCF diet along with his sisters and all of his autistic symptoms completely

went away.  He was no longer obsessively lining up toys, rocking back and

forth,

and flicking his ear.. He got more social, more lovable, and became this very

rambunctious little boy who was just full of life.  Before, he would just sit

and line up toys, flicking his ear, missed all his social milestones, etc.. 

Today, at age 4, I consider him to be completely neurotypical.  No anxiety

whatsover, no ADHD symptoms, no autistic symptoms whatsoever. 

So in our case, it certainly was the food intolerances/sensitivities.. And I can

definitely trace it back to infancy.

Misty

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Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 6:57:41 PM

Subject: Re: Re:Colic and Night terrors

 

Thanks for your response Chris!!

My daughter did not feel cold after the night terrors.

I posed this question to the group as a means of identifying if this was

somehow an indicator of the OCD to come. Some sort of hint of the

biology/pathology of anxiety disorders. When looking at " causes " like PANDAS, or

lyme, or leaky gut etc. I though it would worthwhile to know if behaviors in

infancy and toddler age were somehow linked. When a child is inconsolable

like with colic and when they have night terrors, it feels to me they may be

dealing with extreme anxiety.

I'd still appreciate others feedback to let me know if your children had

colic or night terrors.

Holly

In a message dated 2/15/2011 7:10:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

@... writes:

Hi Holly, actually another son of mine had the night terrors and the bad

colic. Trying to remember the night terrors...he was 7 or 8 when he started

them I think. It was weird, as he sometimes had a vague memory of it, other

times not. I was researching those as intensely as I did OCD when it

started for my other son later. Although, my colicky/night terror son did go

through a " phase " of OCD during preschool age. He's a hyper type too. Oh,

luckily the NT eventually stopped, but it happened intermittently (could stop

for a couple months) for a year or more.

Oh, a question - did your daughter feel cold during/after the night

terrors?

single mom, 3 sons

, 22, OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

, 22 (twin) - the colicky, NT one!

>

> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

> night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe

OCD

> for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as

an

> infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had

night

> terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who

[Guest guest]

Gluten and Casein free diets work for colic.

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> > Hello,

> >

> > I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

> > night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe

> OCD

> > for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as

> an

> > infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had

> night

> > terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who

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[Guest guest]

Both of my daughters have OCD and neither of them had night terrors or colic.

My brother and I did not have colic or night terrors either and I know we both

have OCD. He has never been diagnosed but it is pretty clear to the rest of us

that he has OCD. My nephews, three of them, show some OCD tendencies. One of

them did have night terrors but no colic. The other two did not have either.

The fourth nephew, who does not appear to have any OCD issues, also had night

terrors but no colic. Kelley in NV

[Guest guest]

I've never heard of these things as being a prerequisite for OCD

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> Both of my daughters have OCD and neither of them had night terrors or colic.

My brother and I did not have colic or night terrors either and I know we both

have OCD. He has never been diagnosed but it is pretty clear to the rest of us

that he has OCD. My nephews, three of them, show some OCD tendencies. One of

them did have night terrors but no colic. The other two did not have either.

The fourth nephew, who does not appear to have any OCD issues, also had night

terrors but no colic. Kelley in NV

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am very interested in the responses here, I have a 6 almost 7 year old with

OCD, which has just really peaked this year. She like most kids I have read

about here on this group, has shown tendencies for many years, however, this

year things have really hit an all new HIGH.

She was slightly colicky but did have very bad night terrors. Thank you for

your good description of an actual terror vs. nightmare. They are so different!

Until now though I have not heard anyone make a connection between them. I

wonder if there is a connection is there a connected treatment method?

Blessings to each and every family that lives with this issue in their home.

>

> Hello,

>

> I am wondering if any of your OCD children had colic as infants and/or

> night terrors as young children. My daughter ( now age 11 and in severe OCD

> for last several months) has always been an anxious child. In fact, as an

> infant she had severe colic until about age 4.5 months. Then she had night

> terrors until age 4. After that she was just a poor sleeper who had

> difficulty falling asleep and staying asleep.

>

> For those who may not know, night terrors are NOT nightmares. The

> children are not awake during a night terror, even though their eyes may be

open.

> They don't remember the incident the next day.

>

> I would appreciate your experiences in these areas.

> Thank you

> Holly

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , you asked " is there a connected treatment method. " No, there is no

connection to OCD and colic or night terrors. I won't rule out anxiety as a

possible connection, but feel safe ruling out OCD!

So treatment for OCD is still Cognitive Behavioral Therapy with Exposure &

Response Prevention (CBT with ERP).

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of an actual terror vs. nightmare. They are so different!

>

> Until now though I have not heard anyone make a connection between them. I

wonder if there is a connection is there a connected treatment method?