Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi - Based on the information in your email - it doesn't sound like OCD to me. I'm sure you will get lots of responses here from the others though. What events or behavior did your daughter originally go to a therapist for that brought the OCD diagnosis into play to begin with? Temper-tantrums and criticism are generally not what you see with OCD. Fear and anxiety - yes. It may look like a temper-tantrum when a child is forced to face one of their fears (yelling, crying, etc). But it is generally to something that is illogical (for example: if you force them to stop washing; touch something dirty; extreme fear of death or vomiting; routines being disrupted; toys must be in a certain order; fear of being poisoned, etc) Can you offer more information on when she gets upset with her little sister? Does she move things out of a certain order? Does she feel her sister is contaminating things of hers? LT In a message dated 1/24/2011 2:10:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, littelconnelly@... writes: My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD? Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Our list archives feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// by scrolling down to the archives calendar . Our links may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/o cdandparenting/links . Our files may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), and Dan Geller, M.D. ( http://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/doctor.aspx?ID=18068 ). You may ask a question of any of these mental health professionals by inserting the words " Ask Dr.(insert name) " in the subject line of a post to the list. Our list moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ Closner, and Barb Nesrallah. You may contact the moderators at -owner .. OCDKidsLoop membership may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdkidsloop/ . Our group and related groups are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links . IOCDF treatment providers list may be viewed at http://www.ocfoundation.info/treatment-providers-list.php . NLM-NIH Drug Information Portal may be viewed at http://druginfo.nlm.nih.gov/drugportal/drugportal.jsp?APPLICATION_NAME=drugp ortal . IOCDF recommended reading list may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/Books.aspx . IOCDF glossary of terms may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/glossary.aspx . IOCDF membership link may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.net/membership/ . Drugs.com pill identification wizard may be accessed at http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php . Mayo Clinic Drug and Herb Index may be accessed at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DrugHerbIndex .Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I think some of this is true for non-OCDers as well. It just seems like some pretty common behavior - wanting your own way, being bossy, etc. I dunno. It just seemed pretty typical to me. LT In a message dated 1/24/2011 4:45:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zelvaphoto@... writes: This kind of sibiling control is common (and yes annoying as heck) in our house. I think it fits in with " just right " type OCD. When playing together my 10 year old boy tells his brother (4) what is the setting, what he should say and what moves he should make. While my 4 year old is a pretty accomodating fellow, this gets old after a while. My 4 year old's verbal ramblings also drive the 10 year old out of his gourd- to him when a four year old says " I am as big and strong as a lion " or " a monster chased after me at school today " , that 4 year old IS A LIAR!!! and is telling LIES!!!!. Which of course have no place in the " just right " universe. I personally have learned the hard way to say " i'll be there after I finish the laundry " as opposed to " In a minute " - 'cause the 10 year old stopwatch will have a fit at the minute mark..... Don't yet have a really clear answer how to deal with this - beyond the regular ERP, and CBT options. But to the original question - Yes it is OCD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. > > > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD? > > > > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > > > > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi , my son 10 also does what your writting about. He always has to be in controll of everything.He is a bully with his sibblings and when he is unhappy or not in controll of something he also will have temper tantrums and even throw things. My son has OCD with very bad anxiety. from what I have been told controll can be a huge part of OCD. My son is on Zoloft and it has helped alittle but not enough with these issues. Good luck! > > > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD? > > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 This kind of sibiling control is common (and yes annoying as heck) in our house. I think it fits in with " just right " type OCD. When playing together my 10 year old boy tells his brother (4) what is the setting, what he should say and what moves he should make. While my 4 year old is a pretty accomodating fellow, this gets old after a while. My 4 year old's verbal ramblings also drive the 10 year old out of his gourd- to him when a four year old says " I am as big and strong as a lion " or " a monster chased after me at school today " , that 4 year old IS A LIAR!!! and is telling LIES!!!!. Which of course have no place in the " just right " universe. I personally have learned the hard way to say " i'll be there after I finish the laundry " as opposed to " In a minute " - 'cause the 10 year old stopwatch will have a fit at the minute mark..... Don't yet have a really clear answer how to deal with this - beyond the regular ERP, and CBT options. But to the original question - Yes it is OCD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. > > > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD? > > > > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > > > > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi , as others have said, it can be due to the OCD. And just plain sibling stuff or other too. I know, it's tough trying to determine sometimes. I try to look at what I know OCD affects; like germs, having to have things a certain way/in a certain place, having to only wear/use certain items.... As someone said, it can be " just right " OCD too, she may have a *need* that things have to be done her way; could be something like she has a feeling something bad will happen if they don't, or just a nagging feeling/need that it HAS to be done that way.... Another son of mine went thru a short OCD period around preschool age and would direct me just how I was to walk into a room; like enter with 2 steps, turn left and take a step, turn and take another.... If I did it " wrong " then there'd be tears, stomping feet, and demands I start over. Whew! When he first started, I thought it was some game. What he did was to call me to " come here " and he actually had things he wanted to show me, or something, but I had to enter that *certain* way he directed me to. There were some other OCD things at that time too. But just an example of not having any particular reason for some things, other than it just *has to be.* My OCD son (started in 6th grade) had to do things (or not do) because he had a feeling something bad would happen to HIM but he also needed a " just right " feeling so may have to repeat things. In therapy, it is best to start with things that seem less anxiety causing, easier to work on first. But generally once they can get some success at winning, the next things can be tackled faster or maybe a few just disappear! Usually there are some tougher ones left (at the top of that anxiety hierarchy). One of ours was bedtime! If you're not sure if something is OCD or *age/phase* then I would work on it as if it's OCD, trying to change the behavior. Quick thoughts, glad you found our group! single mom, 3 sons , 22, with OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi , Sounds like a mix of both OCD issues and kid stuff, and that's often the case and it can be hard to separate out. Since you say you are just starting into therapy there is just the fact that she is probably overloaded and doesn't have any coping skills yet, and with therapy she will start to learn some. On the other hand therapy can cause more stress at first, as it will increase anxiety as they challenge OCD things. Kids with OCD tend to be rigid and controlling, needing things to be the way they need them, and to go a certain way, and anything or anyone who gets in the way of that - look out. Depending on their personality it can be explosive and get pretty ugly. I would certainly have boundaries on behavior and a plan for what to do when something happens. We had our son remove himself, or we removed ourselves, he was a teen though. I also used counting, 1-2-3, as a timeline for removal, or stopping a behavior so he wouldn't have to leave, for some reason a timeline worked well to give an endpoint (OCD has no endpoint). Just need to keep trying things, but try to have a plan for next time, and try to be neutral when handling things (hard I know!). A book you might find helpful, depending, is " The Explosive Child " . It is not for OCD, but for behavior based issues, and it does give specific strategies, and explains what is going on for this kind of child, so you understand what will work and what won't. Hang in there, with therapy, in time, you should start to see some improvement. Barb Canada Son, 19, OCD, LD plus - doing well for over 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. > > > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD? > > > > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > > > > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just had to say my daughter had the same behaviours with her younger sister (and now that she's older and has her OCD under control, she feels terribly guilty about it!). She also had the temper tantrums. I believe both issues were OCD-related, in that her head was full to the top coping with her OCD, and anything could put her over the edge - little sister making noise, for example. And the temper tantrums were from things like holding in the OCD all day at school, or being on a vacation and out of routine and not able to do her OCD compulsions. Once the OCD is more manageable for your daughter, I think these behaviours will diminish. in Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hi , I am completely new to this group but recognized some similar behaviors you mentioned about your child in my 5 year old son with OCD. He can become very aggressive towards his 14 year old sister sometimes for no reason and will not stop like he is in a zone. He is very aggressive towards his father also. He tries to do this towards me, but I visibly see him restrain himself with me. He goes all out with his dad like trying to pinch him, hugging him really tight around his neck, name calling. He has tried me before and I spanked him on his butt..he actually apologized to me. I am the peacemaker and the " silly one " that makes funny voices, interacts with him more calmly (even though I have my limits with his behavior and get mad too). My husband is retired military and his movements and voice I guess are more short, quick, impatient. Maybe it increases their anxiety level. My 14 yr old daughter is a drama queen who is usually arguing with someone at all times in a loud voice, so maybe he keeps it all in and " gets her later " . Lori in GA ________________________________ To: Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 2:38:26 PM Subject: Re: OCD or not? Hi , my son 10 also does what your writting about. He always has to be in controll of everything.He is a bully with his sibblings and when he is unhappy or not in controll of something he also will have temper tantrums and even throw things. My son has OCD with very bad anxiety. from what I have been told controll can be a huge part of OCD. My son is on Zoloft and it has helped alittle but not enough with these issues. Good luck! > > > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with >a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some >of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help >her. 2 issues really. > > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), >blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean >and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it >seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected >with the OCD? > > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly >when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and >Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then >gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this >anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her >compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > > > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues >and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. >But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's hard to say if it's directly related to the OCD or not.. My 10yr old daughter with Asperger's and OCD acts quite a lot like this to her younger sister. I do think it stems from anxiety over loosing control vs. being in control. She is somewhat obsessed with being in control. So whether or not it's OCD or Asperger's or whatever.. The anxiety is probably fueling it. How is she socially with her peers? Misty ________________________________ To: Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 1:10:33 PM Subject: OCD or not?  My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her.  2 issues really.  My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD?  Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether?  We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Another thought I had is you might want to read about obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and see if that fits with her. Misty ________________________________ To: Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 9:44:17 AM Subject: Re: OCD or not?  It's hard to say if it's directly related to the OCD or not.. My 10yr old daughter with Asperger's and OCD acts quite a lot like this to her younger sister. I do think it stems from anxiety over loosing control vs. being in control. She is somewhat obsessed with being in control. So whether or not it's OCD or Asperger's or whatever.. The anxiety is probably fueling it. How is she socially with her peers? Misty ________________________________ To: Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 1:10:33 PM Subject: OCD or not?  My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her.  2 issues really.  My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD?  Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether?  We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yes, anxiety does seem to be pushing the need or control forward. She does pretty well/is respectful with friends and extended family...actually these relationships are a real positive area for her. Thank goodness..a bright spot! > > It's hard to say if it's directly related to the OCD or not.. My 10yr old > daughter with Asperger's and OCD acts quite a lot like this to her younger > sister. I do think it stems from anxiety over loosing control vs. being in > control. She is somewhat obsessed with being in control. So whether or not > it's OCD or Asperger's or whatever.. The anxiety is probably fueling it. > > > How is she socially with her peers? > > Misty > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 1:10:33 PM > Subject: OCD or not? > >  > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with > a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some > of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help > her.  2 issues really. > >  > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), > blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean > and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it > seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected > with the OCD? >  > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly > when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and > Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then > gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this > anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her > compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > >  > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues > and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. > But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... >  > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 It could be. My husband has OCD and he gets very pushy at times, when his OCD is involved. He NEEDS things to be a certain way so he doesn't feel anxious. Rigidness can be common with OCD. With OCD, whether it's when they are young, or a teen, it can be hard to sort out what is OCD and what is normal behavior for that age. We've found it's usually a combination of both, in our son. BJ > > > > > > > My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help her. 2 issues really. > > My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected with the OCD? > > Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? > > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 If this is something you only see at home, which is very common with OCD, then if probably is anxiety/OCD based. They show their worst, and let it all out, where they feel safe and with who they feel safest to do so. They DO need to get it out at some point and home is the safest place. Keep working on boundaries and options for how she can let out her frustration etc. Warmly, Barb > > Yes, anxiety does seem to be pushing the need or control forward. She does pretty well/is respectful with friends and extended family...actually these relationships are a real positive area for her. Thank goodness..a bright spot! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Sounds like OCD to me! Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:54 PM Subject: Ocd or not? Â Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Sounds like OCD to me! Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:54 PM Subject: Ocd or not? Â Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Sounds like OCD to me! Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:54 PM Subject: Ocd or not? Â Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a qualifier/disqualifier for OCD! Obviously it is effecting his daily life, doesnt that make it OCD??? Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Ocd or not?  Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a qualifier/disqualifier for OCD! Obviously it is effecting his daily life, doesnt that make it OCD??? Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Ocd or not?  Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a qualifier/disqualifier for OCD! Obviously it is effecting his daily life, doesnt that make it OCD??? Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Ocd or not?  Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Does the label matter? I am new to this so please forgive if I am asking a stupid question. How it impacts, how it disrupts a persons daily life seems the better question then what we call it.  At age 14, is the child old enough to have a say in this? At what age does a person own their behaviors and their response?  Does it matter what you son calls it as long as he addresses the imact on his life?  At age 14, does he get the right to be 'in denial' - to walk that path for a time and see if it works. There have sure been times I placed my hope in denial and really, only by walking that path did I become aware that denial doesn't work or me and is not the solution I was looking for. But, I had to see that. No one would have ever been able to tell me that.  Just asking  -JuLeah I could have freed hundreds more if only I had been able to convince them they were slaves. Harriet Tubman To: " " < > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: Ocd or not?  I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a qualifier/disqualifier for OCD! Obviously it is effecting his daily life, doesnt that make it OCD??? Sharon To: Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Ocd or not?  Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > ________________________________ > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: Ocd or not? > > >  > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Not necessarily, Sharon. GAD can also be constant and effect their daily life negatively. They become overwhelmed by thoughts that " can " happen, and they are frightened by them, so they have constant anxiety about them, yet can't stop thinking about it. It can take over just like OCD and consume them. The difference between GAD and OCD is that with OCD the thoughts are typically " irrational and unrealistic " , whereas with GAD, it CAN happen, yet they have an exaggerated fear. Our son suffers from both GAD and OCD, so we learned the differences, yet they are both anxiety disorders. Generally, people with an anxiety disorder will have another too. . Sometimes panic attacks, phobias, etc. BJ > > > > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time researching this or not. Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: don <southernrock402@> > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM > > Subject: Ocd or not? > > > > > >  > > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we could survive. Any > > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts and data to support his claims. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Hi, JuLeah. Not a stupid question, at all! Yes, the label can matter. The reason being. . .You need to know how to treat it. Whether that means meds or therapy. With therapy, there are different methods used to target the problem and help get it under control. GAD is treated with " realistic thinking " a form of CBT, whereas OCD is treated with ERP, another form of CBT. And even with meds, some are known to be better than others and treating certain types of anxiety. So, if you are going to treat the problem effectively, you need to know what the problem is. Whether he wants treatment or not is another question. I agree with you that they need to come to a place that they want to do the work. As our son got older, he is less inclined to do what he needs to do to help himself, using ERP. That is his choice. But, I try really hard not to let him drag me into his rituals, making them my problems too. It's not easy. :o/ BJ > > Does the label matter? I am new to this so please forgive if I am asking a stupid question. How it impacts, how it disrupts a persons daily life seems the better question then what we call it. > Â > At age 14, is the child old enough to have a say in this? At what age does a person own their behaviors and their response? > Â > Does it matter what you son calls it as long as he addresses the imact on his life? > Â > At age 14, does he get the right to be 'in denial' - to walk that path for a time and see if it works. There have sure been times I placed my hope in denial and really, only by walking that path did I become aware that denial doesn't work or me and is not the solution I was looking for. But, I had to see that. No one would have ever been able to tell me that. > Â > Just asking > Â > -JuLeah > > I could have freed hundreds more if only I had been able to convince them they were slaves. Harriet Tubman > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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