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Hi -

Based on the information in your email - it doesn't sound like OCD to me.

I'm sure you will get lots of responses here from the others though. What

events or behavior did your daughter originally go to a therapist for that

brought the OCD diagnosis into play to begin with?

Temper-tantrums and criticism are generally not what you see with OCD.

Fear and anxiety - yes. It may look like a temper-tantrum when a child is

forced to face one of their fears (yelling, crying, etc). But it is

generally to something that is illogical (for example: if you force them to

stop

washing; touch something dirty; extreme fear of death or vomiting; routines

being disrupted; toys must be in a certain order; fear of being poisoned,

etc)

Can you offer more information on when she gets upset with her little

sister? Does she move things out of a certain order? Does she feel her sister

is contaminating things of hers?

LT

In a message dated 1/24/2011 2:10:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

littelconnelly@... writes:

My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment

with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is

whether some of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is,

how

can we help her. 2 issues really.

My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often

mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but

it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or

connected with the OCD?

Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty

regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend

over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner,

etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm

down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs

and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else

altogether?

We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many

issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for

some relief...

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I think some of this is true for non-OCDers as well. It just seems like

some pretty common behavior - wanting your own way, being bossy, etc. I

dunno. It just seemed pretty typical to me.

LT

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This kind of sibiling control is common (and yes annoying as heck) in our

house.

I think it fits in with " just right " type OCD. When playing together my 10

year old boy tells his brother (4) what is the setting, what he should say

and what moves he should make. While my 4 year old is a pretty

accomodating fellow, this gets old after a while.

My 4 year old's verbal ramblings also drive the 10 year old out of his

gourd- to him when a four year old says " I am as big and strong as a lion " or

" a monster chased after me at school today " , that 4 year old IS A LIAR!!!

and is telling LIES!!!!. Which of course have no place in the " just right "

universe.

I personally have learned the hard way to say " i'll be there after I

finish the laundry " as opposed to " In a minute " - 'cause the 10 year old

stopwatch will have a fit at the minute mark.....

Don't yet have a really clear answer how to deal with this - beyond the

regular ERP, and CBT options.

But to the original question - Yes it is OCD!

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(6), blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is

often mean and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case,

but it seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or

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regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a

friend over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner,

etc.). Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and

calm down. Is this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she

needs and her compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else

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issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment. But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking

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Hi , my son 10 also does what your writting about. He always has to be in

controll of everything.He is a bully with his sibblings and when he is unhappy

or not in controll of something he also will have temper tantrums and even throw

things. My son has OCD with very bad anxiety. from what I have been told

controll can be a huge part of OCD.

My son is on Zoloft and it has helped alittle but not enough with these issues.

Good luck!

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with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help

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blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

with the OCD?

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when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and

Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.).  Then

gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is this

anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

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and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. 

But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...

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This kind of sibiling control is common (and yes annoying as heck) in our house.

I think it fits in with " just right " type OCD. When playing together my 10 year

old boy tells his brother (4) what is the setting, what he should say and what

moves he should make. While my 4 year old is a pretty accomodating fellow, this

gets old after a while.

My 4 year old's verbal ramblings also drive the 10 year old out of his gourd- to

him when a four year old says " I am as big and strong as a lion " or " a monster

chased after me at school today " , that 4 year old IS A LIAR!!! and is telling

LIES!!!!. Which of course have no place in the " just right " universe.

I personally have learned the hard way to say " i'll be there after I finish the

laundry " as opposed to " In a minute " - 'cause the 10 year old stopwatch will

have a fit at the minute mark.....

Don't yet have a really clear answer how to deal with this - beyond the regular

ERP, and CBT options.

But to the original question - Yes it is OCD!

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with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help

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blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

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regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend

over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). 

Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is

this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

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many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment.  But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some

relief...

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Hi , as others have said, it can be due to the OCD. And just plain

sibling stuff or other too. I know, it's tough trying to determine sometimes.

I try to look at what I know OCD affects; like germs, having to have things a

certain way/in a certain place, having to only wear/use certain items.... As

someone said, it can be " just right " OCD too, she may have a *need* that things

have to be done her way; could be something like she has a feeling something bad

will happen if they don't, or just a nagging feeling/need that it HAS to be done

that way....

Another son of mine went thru a short OCD period around preschool age and would

direct me just how I was to walk into a room; like enter with 2 steps, turn left

and take a step, turn and take another.... If I did it " wrong " then there'd be

tears, stomping feet, and demands I start over. Whew! When he first started, I

thought it was some game. What he did was to call me to " come here " and he

actually had things he wanted to show me, or something, but I had to enter that

*certain* way he directed me to. There were some other OCD things at that time

too. But just an example of not having any particular reason for some things,

other than it just *has to be.*

My OCD son (started in 6th grade) had to do things (or not do) because he had a

feeling something bad would happen to HIM but he also needed a " just right "

feeling so may have to repeat things.

In therapy, it is best to start with things that seem less anxiety causing,

easier to work on first. But generally once they can get some success at

winning, the next things can be tackled faster or maybe a few just disappear!

Usually there are some tougher ones left (at the top of that anxiety hierarchy).

One of ours was bedtime!

If you're not sure if something is OCD or *age/phase* then I would work on it as

if it's OCD, trying to change the behavior.

Quick thoughts, glad you found our group!

single mom, 3 sons

, 22, with OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

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with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help

her.  2 issues really. 

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> My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound

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Hi ,

Sounds like a mix of both OCD issues and kid stuff, and that's often the case

and it can be hard to separate out. Since you say you are just starting into

therapy there is just the fact that she is probably overloaded and doesn't have

any coping skills yet, and with therapy she will start to learn some. On the

other hand therapy can cause more stress at first, as it will increase anxiety

as they challenge OCD things.

Kids with OCD tend to be rigid and controlling, needing things to be the way

they need them, and to go a certain way, and anything or anyone who gets in the

way of that - look out. Depending on their personality it can be explosive and

get pretty ugly.

I would certainly have boundaries on behavior and a plan for what to do when

something happens. We had our son remove himself, or we removed ourselves, he

was a teen though. I also used counting, 1-2-3, as a timeline for removal, or

stopping a behavior so he wouldn't have to leave, for some reason a timeline

worked well to give an endpoint (OCD has no endpoint). Just need to keep trying

things, but try to have a plan for next time, and try to be neutral when

handling things (hard I know!).

A book you might find helpful, depending, is " The Explosive Child " . It is not

for OCD, but for behavior based issues, and it does give specific strategies,

and explains what is going on for this kind of child, so you understand what

will work and what won't.

Hang in there, with therapy, in time, you should start to see some improvement.

Barb

Canada

Son, 19, OCD, LD plus - doing well for over 2 years.

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with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help

her.  2 issues really. 

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blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

with the OCD?

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regularly when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend

over and Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). 

Then gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is

this anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

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> > We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so

many issues and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment.  But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some

relief...

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Just had to say my daughter had the same behaviours with her younger sister (and

now that she's older and has her OCD under control, she feels terribly guilty

about it!). She also had the temper tantrums.

I believe both issues were OCD-related, in that her head was full to the top

coping with her OCD, and anything could put her over the edge - little sister

making noise, for example. And the temper tantrums were from things like holding

in the OCD all day at school, or being on a vacation and out of routine and not

able to do her OCD compulsions.

Once the OCD is more manageable for your daughter, I think these behaviours will

diminish.

in Canada

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Hi , I am completely new to this group but recognized some similar

behaviors you mentioned about your child in my 5 year old son with OCD. He can

become very aggressive towards his 14 year old sister sometimes for no reason

and will not stop like he is in a zone. He is very aggressive towards his father

also. He tries to do this towards me, but I visibly see him restrain himself

with me. He goes all out with his dad like trying to pinch him, hugging him

really tight around his neck, name calling. He has tried me before and I spanked

him on his butt..he actually apologized to me. I am the peacemaker and the

" silly one " that makes funny voices, interacts with him more calmly (even though

I have my limits with his behavior and get mad too). My husband is retired

military and his movements and voice I guess are more short, quick, impatient.

Maybe it increases their anxiety level. My 14 yr old daughter is a drama queen

who is usually arguing with someone at all times in a loud voice, so maybe he

keeps it all in and " gets her later " .

Lori in GA

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Hi , my son 10 also does what your writting about. He always has to be in

controll of everything.He is a bully with his sibblings and when he is unhappy

or not in controll of something he also will have temper tantrums and even throw

things. My son has OCD with very bad anxiety. from what I have been told

controll can be a huge part of OCD.

My son is on Zoloft and it has helped alittle but not enough with these issues.

Good luck!

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with

>a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy. My question is whether some

>of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we

help

>her. 2 issues really.

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> My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

>blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

>and sometimes physically aggressive. This has always been the case, but it

>seems much more so now. Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

>with the OCD?

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> Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly

>when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and

>Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.). Then

>gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down. Is this

>anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

>compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether?

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> We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues

>and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment.

>But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...

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It's hard to say if it's directly related to the OCD or not.. My 10yr old

daughter with Asperger's and OCD acts quite a lot like this to her younger

sister.  I do think it stems from anxiety over loosing control vs. being in

control.  She is somewhat obsessed with being in control.  So whether or not

it's OCD or Asperger's or whatever.. The anxiety is probably fueling it. 

How is she socially with her peers?

Misty

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Subject: OCD or not?

 

My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with

a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we

help

her.  2 issues really. 

 

My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

with the OCD?

 

Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly

when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and

Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.).  Then

gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is this

anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

 

We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues

and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment. 

But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...

 

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Another thought I had is you might want to read about obsessive-compulsive

personality disorder and see if that fits with her.

Misty

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It's hard to say if it's directly related to the OCD or not.. My 10yr old

daughter with Asperger's and OCD acts quite a lot like this to her younger

sister.  I do think it stems from anxiety over loosing control vs. being in

control.  She is somewhat obsessed with being in control.  So whether or not

it's OCD or Asperger's or whatever.. The anxiety is probably fueling it. 

How is she socially with her peers?

Misty

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Subject: OCD or not?

 

My daughter, 10, was recently diagnosed with OCD and has started treatment with

a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we

help

her.  2 issues really. 

 

My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

with the OCD?

 

Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly

when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and

Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.).  Then

gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is this

anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

 

We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues

and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment. 

But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...

 

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Yes, anxiety does seem to be pushing the need or control forward. She does

pretty well/is respectful with friends and extended family...actually these

relationships are a real positive area for her. Thank goodness..a bright spot!

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> daughter with Asperger's and OCD acts quite a lot like this to her younger

> sister.  I do think it stems from anxiety over loosing control vs. being in

> control.  She is somewhat obsessed with being in control.  So whether or not

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> of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we

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> My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

> blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often

mean

> and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

> seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

> with the OCD?

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> Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly

> when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and

> Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.).  Then

> gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is

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> anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

> compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

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> We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues

> and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with

treatment. 

> But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some

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It could be. My husband has OCD and he gets very pushy at times, when his OCD

is involved. He NEEDS things to be a certain way so he doesn't feel anxious.

Rigidness can be common with OCD.

With OCD, whether it's when they are young, or a teen, it can be hard to sort

out what is OCD and what is normal behavior for that age. We've found it's

usually a combination of both, in our son.

BJ

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with a child psychologist who is using CBT therapy.  My question is whether some

of her behaviors are OCD or something else...and whatever it is, how can we help

her.  2 issues really. 

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> My daughter, K, spends alot of her time with M, her younger sister (6),

blaming her for things/trying to control her/criticizing her and is often mean

and sometimes physically aggressive.  This has always been the case, but it

seems much more so now.  Does this sound lik it is this part of or connected

with the OCD?

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> Also, aside from the sister issue, there are temper tantrums pretty regularly

when things don't work out like K has planned (if she wants a friend over and

Mom says no, if she doesn't want what we are having for dinner, etc.).  Then

gets sent to her room to get out of traffic for a while and calm down.  Is this

anxiety of not being able to get what she thinks she needs and her

compulsive response? Or does this sound like something else altogether? 

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> We are talking with the psychologist about this, but there are so many issues

and these are not the focus right now as we try to get started with treatment. 

But these behaviors affect everyone at home and I'm looking for some relief...

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If this is something you only see at home, which is very common with OCD, then

if probably is anxiety/OCD based. They show their worst, and let it all out,

where they feel safe and with who they feel safest to do so. They DO need to

get it out at some point and home is the safest place.

Keep working on boundaries and options for how she can let out her frustration

etc.

Warmly,

Barb

>

> Yes, anxiety does seem to be pushing the need or control forward. She does

pretty well/is respectful with friends and extended family...actually these

relationships are a real positive area for her. Thank goodness..a bright spot!

>

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Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

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Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

>

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Sounds like OCD to me!

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:54 PM

Subject: Ocd or not?

 

Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats

supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a

Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a

gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our

supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was

spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said

then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it

sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to

him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts

and data to support his claims.

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Sounds like OCD to me!

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:54 PM

Subject: Ocd or not?

 

Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats

supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a

Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a

gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our

supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was

spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said

then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it

sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to

him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts

and data to support his claims.

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Sounds like OCD to me!

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:54 PM

Subject: Ocd or not?

 

Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock thats

supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could cause a

Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need to buy a

gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to steal our

supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if he was

spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc said

then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think it

sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk to

him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me facts

and data to support his claims.

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I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a

qualifier/disqualifier for OCD!  Obviously it is effecting his daily life,

doesnt that make it OCD???

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: Ocd or not?

 

Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

>

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I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a

qualifier/disqualifier for OCD!  Obviously it is effecting his daily life,

doesnt that make it OCD???

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: Ocd or not?

 

Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

>

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I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a

qualifier/disqualifier for OCD!  Obviously it is effecting his daily life,

doesnt that make it OCD???

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: Ocd or not?

 

Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

>

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Does the label matter? I am new to this so please forgive if I am asking a

stupid question. How it impacts, how it disrupts a persons daily life seems the

better question then what we call it.

 

At age 14, is the child old enough to have a say in this? At what age does a

person own their behaviors and their response?

 

Does it matter what you son calls it as long as he addresses the imact on his

life?

 

At age 14, does he get the right to be 'in denial' - to walk that path for a

time and see if it works. There have sure been times I placed my hope in denial

and really, only by walking that path did I become aware that denial doesn't

work or me and is not the solution I was looking for. But, I had to see that. No

one would have ever been able to tell me that.

 

Just asking

 

-JuLeah

I could have freed hundreds more if only I had been able to convince them they

were slaves. Harriet Tubman

To: " " < >

Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Ocd or not?

 

I may be wrong, but I dont think the amount of time spent on something is a

qualifier/disqualifier for OCD!  Obviously it is effecting his daily life,

doesnt that make it OCD???

Sharon

To:

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: Ocd or not?

 

Yes, he spends alot of time thinking all kinds of things like the economy

crashing, Koch brothers running the government he looks on conspiracy theory

sites like jesse Ventura but because he doenst look that often for hours and

hours doctor says its not OCD . I know my son downplays his symptoms to the

doctor he doesnt like admitting he has this disorder he tries to hide it form

others even from his doctor. He is very stubborn his doctor called him a rigid

thinker not one to take advice easily. Its so hard

>

> I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> Subject: Ocd or not?

>

>

>  

> Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

>

>

>

>

>

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Not necessarily, Sharon. GAD can also be constant and effect their daily life

negatively. They become overwhelmed by thoughts that " can " happen, and they are

frightened by them, so they have constant anxiety about them, yet can't stop

thinking about it. It can take over just like OCD and consume them.

The difference between GAD and OCD is that with OCD the thoughts are typically

" irrational and unrealistic " , whereas with GAD, it CAN happen, yet they have an

exaggerated fear.

Our son suffers from both GAD and OCD, so we learned the differences, yet they

are both anxiety disorders.

Generally, people with an anxiety disorder will have another too. . Sometimes

panic attacks, phobias, etc.

BJ

> >

> > I don't think it matters at all if your son is spending alot of time

researching this or not.  Is he distressed or bothered by all of this? 

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: don <southernrock402@>

> > To:

> > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:54 PM

> > Subject: Ocd or not?

> >

> >

> >  

> > Tonight my son came down and showed me more information on Elanin the rock

thats supposed to come close to the earth Sep 6th. He told me that it could

cause a Earthquake and if it did we would have to evacuate then told me we need

to buy a gun because if this occurs we need a gun because people will try to

steal our supplies, now I told his doctor about this before and he asked him if

he was spending a certain amount of time researching this, he said no so his doc

said then its not OCD? I guess I want to get your take on this because I think

it sounds like OCD to me. prior to this was we need to get a gun because of the

financial collapse thats going to occur and we need protection. Which on some

points he may be right but I think he is spending way to much time on these

types of thoughts. Maybe I am wrong i dont know. But I told him I wasnt getting

a gun,he then said that it isnt fair because he is only 14 and if i get a gun we

could survive. Any

> > thoughts? hearing this kind of talk constantly has me frazzled I try to talk

to him about i bu anything I say he rebutts he is very stubborn and shows me

facts and data to support his claims.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi, JuLeah. Not a stupid question, at all!

Yes, the label can matter. The reason being. . .You need to know how to treat

it. Whether that means meds or therapy.

With therapy, there are different methods used to target the problem and help

get it under control. GAD is treated with " realistic thinking " a form of CBT,

whereas OCD is treated with ERP, another form of CBT.

And even with meds, some are known to be better than others and treating certain

types of anxiety.

So, if you are going to treat the problem effectively, you need to know what the

problem is.

Whether he wants treatment or not is another question. I agree with you that

they need to come to a place that they want to do the work.

As our son got older, he is less inclined to do what he needs to do to help

himself, using ERP. That is his choice. But, I try really hard not to let him

drag me into his rituals, making them my problems too. It's not easy. :o/

BJ

>

> Does the label matter? I am new to this so please forgive if I am asking a

stupid question. How it impacts, how it disrupts a persons daily life seems the

better question then what we call it.

>  

> At age 14, is the child old enough to have a say in this? At what age does a

person own their behaviors and their response?

>  

> Does it matter what you son calls it as long as he addresses the imact on his

life?

>  

> At age 14, does he get the right to be 'in denial' - to walk that path for a

time and see if it works. There have sure been times I placed my hope in denial

and really, only by walking that path did I become aware that denial doesn't

work or me and is not the solution I was looking for. But, I had to see that. No

one would have ever been able to tell me that.

>  

> Just asking

>  

> -JuLeah

>

> I could have freed hundreds more if only I had been able to convince them they

were slaves. Harriet Tubman

>

>

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