Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Has she had him evaluated about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving any Early Intervention services at all? Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from Virginia? My stepdaughter's youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone have any advice? The Future Mrs. Garner __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Has she had him evaluated about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving any Early Intervention services at all? Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from Virginia? My stepdaughter's youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone have any advice? The Future Mrs. Garner __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my grandson. kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving any Early Intervention services at all? Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from Virginia? My stepdaughter's youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone have any advice? The Future Mrs. Garner __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my grandson. kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving any Early Intervention services at all? Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from Virginia? My stepdaughter's youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone have any advice? The Future Mrs. Garner __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 ls he i preschool? Maybe you could write them a letter and suggest he be tested?? Or what about his pediatrician????? It is very important he gets the help he needs. I know you mentioned you can't go there but what about one of her siblings??? > > > > > > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying > to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but > she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky > terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my > grandson. > > kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated > about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a > therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in > denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is > negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could > get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier > he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a > normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my > child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what > is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you > cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that > is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving > any Early Intervention services at all? > > Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from > Virginia? My stepdaughter's > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > have any advice? > > The Future Mrs. Garner > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 ls he i preschool? Maybe you could write them a letter and suggest he be tested?? Or what about his pediatrician????? It is very important he gets the help he needs. I know you mentioned you can't go there but what about one of her siblings??? > > > > > > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying > to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but > she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky > terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my > grandson. > > kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated > about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a > therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in > denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is > negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could > get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier > he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a > normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my > child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what > is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you > cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that > is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving > any Early Intervention services at all? > > Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from > Virginia? My stepdaughter's > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > have any advice? > > The Future Mrs. Garner > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 He is not in preschool per se. Someone comes and babysits him while his parents are at work. I asked what the pediatrician but there was no help there. This is the same pediatrician who never took alarm when my stepson, now diagnosed PDD-NOS and bipolar, didn't speak until age 3. Her other brother lives in NY and his wife is pregnant with child number two and they are struggling financially. The other sibs are half sibs from their father's 3rd marriage and they are only ten. Her mom is trying to be supportive and is as worried as I am about our grandson. She lives in the area and is more than willing to take him for testing, it's getting the permission that is the problem. taijij at work wrote: ls he i preschool? Maybe you could write them a letter and suggest he be tested?? Or what about his pediatrician????? It is very important he gets the help he needs. I know you mentioned you can't go there but what about one of her siblings??? > > > > > > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying > to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but > she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky > terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my > grandson. > > kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated > about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a > therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in > denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is > negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could > get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier > he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a > normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my > child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what > is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you > cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that > is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving > any Early Intervention services at all? > > Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from > Virginia? My stepdaughter's > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > have any advice? > > The Future Mrs. Garner > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 He is not in preschool per se. Someone comes and babysits him while his parents are at work. I asked what the pediatrician but there was no help there. This is the same pediatrician who never took alarm when my stepson, now diagnosed PDD-NOS and bipolar, didn't speak until age 3. Her other brother lives in NY and his wife is pregnant with child number two and they are struggling financially. The other sibs are half sibs from their father's 3rd marriage and they are only ten. Her mom is trying to be supportive and is as worried as I am about our grandson. She lives in the area and is more than willing to take him for testing, it's getting the permission that is the problem. taijij at work wrote: ls he i preschool? Maybe you could write them a letter and suggest he be tested?? Or what about his pediatrician????? It is very important he gets the help he needs. I know you mentioned you can't go there but what about one of her siblings??? > > > > > > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying > to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but > she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky > terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my > grandson. > > kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated > about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a > therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in > denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is > negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he could > get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the earlier > he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading a > normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not my > child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing what > is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you > cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe that > is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he recieving > any Early Intervention services at all? > > Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from > Virginia? My stepdaughter's > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > have any advice? > > The Future Mrs. Garner > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I think some one needs to light a fire under her butt. Sorry, to be so frank but there is a window and it's small. Maybe you can email her some info on dr's in the area that test or give her the school district name and contact number for the spec ed depart. If money is part of the issue most school districts pay for the eval and then pay for the child to go to a special preschool. maybe that could be the motivator??? > > > > > > > He is not in preschool per se. Someone comes and babysits him while his > parents are at work. I asked what the pediatrician but there was no help > there. This is the same pediatrician who never took alarm when my stepson, > now diagnosed PDD-NOS and bipolar, didn't speak until age 3. Her other > brother lives in NY and his wife is pregnant with child number two and they > are struggling financially. The other sibs are half sibs from their father's > 3rd marriage and they are only ten. Her mom is trying to be supportive and > is as worried as I am about our grandson. She lives in the area and is more > than willing to take him for testing, it's getting the permission that is > the problem. > > taijij at work wrote: ls he i preschool? Maybe you > could write them a letter and suggest he > be tested?? Or what about his pediatrician????? It is very important > he gets the help he needs. I know you mentioned you can't go there > but what about one of her siblings??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am > trying > > to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention > but > > she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on > shaky > > terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my > > grandson. > > > > kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated > > about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a > > therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in > > denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is > > negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he > could > > get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the > earlier > > he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading > a > > normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not > my > > child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing > what > > is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you > > cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe > that > > is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he > recieving > > any Early Intervention services at all? > > > > Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from > > Virginia? My stepdaughter's > > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > > have any advice? > > > > The Future Mrs. Garner > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I think some one needs to light a fire under her butt. Sorry, to be so frank but there is a window and it's small. Maybe you can email her some info on dr's in the area that test or give her the school district name and contact number for the spec ed depart. If money is part of the issue most school districts pay for the eval and then pay for the child to go to a special preschool. maybe that could be the motivator??? > > > > > > > He is not in preschool per se. Someone comes and babysits him while his > parents are at work. I asked what the pediatrician but there was no help > there. This is the same pediatrician who never took alarm when my stepson, > now diagnosed PDD-NOS and bipolar, didn't speak until age 3. Her other > brother lives in NY and his wife is pregnant with child number two and they > are struggling financially. The other sibs are half sibs from their father's > 3rd marriage and they are only ten. Her mom is trying to be supportive and > is as worried as I am about our grandson. She lives in the area and is more > than willing to take him for testing, it's getting the permission that is > the problem. > > taijij at work wrote: ls he i preschool? Maybe you > could write them a letter and suggest he > be tested?? Or what about his pediatrician????? It is very important > he gets the help he needs. I know you mentioned you can't go there > but what about one of her siblings??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am > trying > > to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention > but > > she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on > shaky > > terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my > > grandson. > > > > kelly dawson wrote: Has she had him evaluated > > about the speech delay at all? Alot of times it helps to hear from a > > therapist or a pro that you should have your child tested, if you are in > > denial about something. I was fine having my child tested. I think it is > > negligent for them to let his speech continue to be delayed because he > could > > get the help to at least be able to communicate. If he has ASD the > earlier > > he is diagnosed and begins therapies the better chance he has at leading > a > > normal life. It really is hard though, because so many parents think, " not > my > > child " , so it is also about parents putting that pride aside and doing > what > > is best for the child. He may just be speech delayed. I know that if you > > cannot communicate what you are feeling you become frustrated, so maybe > that > > is all that is wrong, but he still needs early intervention. Is he > recieving > > any Early Intervention services at all? > > > > Carol wrote: Hello everyone. Is anyone here from > > Virginia? My stepdaughter's > > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > > have any advice? > > > > The Future Mrs. Garner > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Carol, the sad fact is, learing he has autism won't change the issues in their marriage and denying it won't help it either. I'm sure it must be scary fearing one's son has autism and fearing a divorce at the same time. But, what's gonna happen with their marriage is gonna happen -- it'll either get better, worse, or stay the same. However, getting her son help could make a huge difference in his future. I'm sure you already know what I just said, she probably does too deep down. Maybe if someone in the family could lay it out for her she might be able to get past her fear enough to help her son. I would be willing to bet a lot of their marriage problems is rooted in the fear of their worry for their son. I personally don't understand the ignoring it part, but a lot, a lot of people do it. Debi > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my grandson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Carol, the sad fact is, learing he has autism won't change the issues in their marriage and denying it won't help it either. I'm sure it must be scary fearing one's son has autism and fearing a divorce at the same time. But, what's gonna happen with their marriage is gonna happen -- it'll either get better, worse, or stay the same. However, getting her son help could make a huge difference in his future. I'm sure you already know what I just said, she probably does too deep down. Maybe if someone in the family could lay it out for her she might be able to get past her fear enough to help her son. I would be willing to bet a lot of their marriage problems is rooted in the fear of their worry for their son. I personally don't understand the ignoring it part, but a lot, a lot of people do it. Debi > > He is recieving nothing because they haven't had him evaluated. I am trying to communicate to my stepdaughter the importance of early intervention but she is so overwhelmed with her situation, she and her husband are on shaky terms and she is afraid to rock the boat. I am very concerned about my grandson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 It is a scary and hard thing often for parents to admit their child has a problem. Since he's going to be 3, maybe you can encourage them by lettting them know that starting at age 3 every state has to have a program for kids with delays in language or other developmental delays. The program must be both free and appropriate and any child is entitled to a free assessment from the school to see if they are eligible. My school system's program (I live in Ohio) was a 4 day a week preschool. It was free and they even bussed my daughter back and forth. Especially for families who also have the worry in the back of their mind, what if something is wrong, how will I pay, sometimes knowing this option is available helps turn a difficult to accept possibility into one in which they see that maybe there is something that can be done that will be more help than a burden to what may already be a tough situation they are dealing with. Just a thought, and I wish you luck. pat > > Hello everyone. Is anyone here from Virginia? My stepdaughter's > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > have any advice? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 It is a scary and hard thing often for parents to admit their child has a problem. Since he's going to be 3, maybe you can encourage them by lettting them know that starting at age 3 every state has to have a program for kids with delays in language or other developmental delays. The program must be both free and appropriate and any child is entitled to a free assessment from the school to see if they are eligible. My school system's program (I live in Ohio) was a 4 day a week preschool. It was free and they even bussed my daughter back and forth. Especially for families who also have the worry in the back of their mind, what if something is wrong, how will I pay, sometimes knowing this option is available helps turn a difficult to accept possibility into one in which they see that maybe there is something that can be done that will be more help than a burden to what may already be a tough situation they are dealing with. Just a thought, and I wish you luck. pat > > Hello everyone. Is anyone here from Virginia? My stepdaughter's > youngest son, who will be three in March, is language delayed and > displays very rigid tendencies. I have not personally seen him in a > year and a half since I am in Michigan and my parents have not been > well enough for me to leave the state. My son-in-law, seems to think > he'll just grow out of it and my stepdaughter is reluctant to get any > testing done without her husband's support. I know that whatever > special needs he may have be it autism or something else time is > crucial. I know ASD runs in the family, of my ex-husbands 6 children > there are three on the spectrum including my daughter. Does anyone > have any advice? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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