WAS:Re: Re: update-daughter acting strange again NOW-Melatonin ?

September 9, 2010

My dd had problems with Melatonin. It made her slur her words and act like she

was drunk. She also got hallucinations when she took Ambien. She is bipolar

though and hasn't reacted well to any sleep aide. Stormy

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Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 10:07:21 PM

Subject: WAS:Re: Re: update-daughter acting strange again

NOW-Melatonin ?

Chris-

What did you google about it? Just curious. I did a bit of research but

decided to try it with my 3 year old. I was told to do 2-3 mg but only do .5

and it has made a HUGE difference with his sleep. But am still looking for

info.

THAnks!

>

> I googled about melatonin and possibilities -- does she take it each night?

> Try skipping the melatonin, see if it helps would be my first thought after

> googling about it.

>

> Keep us updated when you have time!

>

> (((hugs)))

>

September 10, 2010

I googled melatonin, hallucinations. And things turned up on it, including the

type of forum comments with people talking about it. Seems to be the higher

dosages 3mg or over. And some of those I read were looking for something TO

cause them on purpose.

I'm sure some people take that amount and do okay, but we all know how people

react different to a same med (or supplement). I know quite a while back I read

a study done with children and melatonin and they were on a higher dose, 5mg and

higher, and it was a positive study and no hallucinations reported in the study

that I recall (can't recall what they were trying to determine). But I remember

thinking higher doses were apparently safe.

I also read caffeine can cause hallucinations, or rather drinking over 7 cups of

coffee a day can cause it. Coffee is my main drink for years (really, since

twins were born, now age 21) and I haven't had any!

But it's something to keep in mind, that melatonin can cause them for some.

> >

>

September 10, 2010

Thanks Chris!

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> I googled melatonin, hallucinations. And things turned up on it,

> including the type of forum comments with people talking about it.

> Seems to be the higher dosages 3mg or over. And some of those I read

> were looking for something TO cause them on purpose.

>

> I'm sure some people take that amount and do okay, but we all know

> how people react different to a same med (or supplement). I know

> quite a while back I read a study done with children and melatonin

> and they were on a higher dose, 5mg and higher, and it was a

> positive study and no hallucinations reported in the study that I

> recall (can't recall what they were trying to determine). But I

> remember thinking higher doses were apparently safe.

>

> I also read caffeine can cause hallucinations, or rather drinking

> over 7 cups of coffee a day can cause it. Coffee is my main drink

> for years (really, since twins were born, now age 21) and I haven't

> had any!

>

> But it's something to keep in mind, that melatonin can cause them

> for some.

>

> > >

> >

September 10, 2010

Hi - I wanted to add my thoughts about Melatonin.Â I recently heard there were

concerns about the use of melatonin in children.Â I was told that it is NOT

recommended or approved for use with children, even though years ago I had two

doctors tell me it would be fine for me to give my children!Â I used Melatonin

with both my kids, one with OCD and one without.Â They were just not great

sleepers and it seemed to do the trick. Once I heard the concerns I stopped

giving it to them and looked a little more into it.Â Here is what I heard:Â

Melatonin can affect hormone development in children and should not be given to

ANYONE for more that 2 weeks.Â Now, Melatonin works by triggering the pituitary

gland to release Melatonin.Â The pituitary gland already releases this on its

own to help people sleep.Â The warning about limiting the use for no more than

2 weeks was also new to me.Â I know I am rambling!Â Anyway - here is what I

have

realized....Melatonin worked wonders for my kids in getting them to sleep,

however they often woke up in the middle of the night saying they were sacred

and came into my bed.Â My son always complained of stomach cramping and was

pretty irritable.Â NOW I never associated these things to Melatonin...I just

figured it was who who they were.Â My daughter would wake up every morning

having a very vivid dreams.Â So since stopping it...they sleep through the

night and have not complained of stomach aches.Â Coincidence?Â Maybe - but I

was concerned enough that this could affect hormone development and decided not

toÂ give it anymore.Â Don't get me wrong - I wish I could use it still because

getting them to sleep is a struggle, but I worried that I was messing with their

development and wasn't willing to take that risk.Â Hope this helps anyone

questioning what to do.Â I have heard about a natural flower remedy, Bach's

stress relief that is supposed to

be safe and works to relax kids before bed.Â I have not used it yet, but just

a thought.Â

Connecticut

>

> I googled about melatonin and possibilities -- does she take it each night?

> Try skipping the melatonin, see if it helps would be my first thought after

> googling about it.

>

> Keep us updated when you have time!

>

> (((hugs)))

>

September 10, 2010

Thank you !

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 10, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Garceau

wrote:

> Hi - I wanted to add my thoughts about Melatonin.

>

> >

> > Keep us updated when you have time!

> >

> > (((hugs)))

> >

>

September 10, 2010

Oh my goodness, Chris. I had no idea melatonin could do that. We gave it to

Liam for awhile, 1 mg to start out. He woke up with a hangover from it, so

crabby. We went up to 3 mg, and it stopped working. So we stopped giving it to

him.

Steffanie

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:46:36 +0000

Subject: WAS:Re: Re: update-daughter acting strange again

NOW-Melatonin ?

I googled melatonin, hallucinations. And things turned up on it, including the

type of forum comments with people talking about it. Seems to be the higher

dosages 3mg or over. And some of those I read were looking for something TO

cause them on purpose.

I'm sure some people take that amount and do okay, but we all know how people

react different to a same med (or supplement). I know quite a while back I read

a study done with children and melatonin and they were on a higher dose, 5mg and

higher, and it was a positive study and no hallucinations reported in the study

that I recall (can't recall what they were trying to determine). But I remember

thinking higher doses were apparently safe.

I also read caffeine can cause hallucinations, or rather drinking over 7 cups of

coffee a day can cause it. Coffee is my main drink for years (really, since

twins were born, now age 21) and I haven't had any!

But it's something to keep in mind, that melatonin can cause them for some.

September 10, 2010

Yeah, my son is only 3 and I've been battling his sleep for a long while. it

was horrendous.... sometimes he'd go to bed as late as 5am (even worse) and

patterns were all screwed up and it really took a toll on our family as we

have another son too and I had to sleep sometime! We dealt with that worst

case scenario for over a year. I couldn't take it any longer. Around my

son's 3 yr b-day he started showing very obvious OCD traits- as I referenced

in earlier emails. I really think it related to his sleep. While I tried to

'protect' his sleep as much as I could- he had some really bad days 'cause

I'd be forced to make him skip naps and go to bed earlier - which was hard

on everyone- and it would only stick for a few days and he'd be back to the

late nights w/in a few days. And sadly any 'good' days were going to bed

anywhere from 10pm - 1am. If he ever took a nap we'd be back to very very

late nights.

Anyway, all of this is to say, I had contemplated using melatonin but wasn't

sure. Finally decided to try, and that small .5 mg amt has been enough to

get him past whatever it is that 'wires' him enough that he can't sleep. He

doesn't try to nap, is going to bed at a consistent time (asks to) and wakes

up at a consistent time. I am shocked frankly- as nothing has worked. I

didn't try benadryl, as I don't really like the effects of those drugs (they

make me thirsty, etc ) and thought melatonin was a more natural choice. Now

I do want to rethink it a bit. The only info I had read previously related

to seizures and stuff like that...

We are about to travel, and I was going to wait until our return to figure

that out. I did hate supplying it daily, but felt ok being it was a low dose

(as I mentioned 2-3mg was recommended but seemed a bit much). I think we'll

try to see if he'll stick with this schedule now that he's been on it for

about a month, w/out the meds. Maybe it set up his rhythms enough- but I

doubt it. There is something at play but I am just not sure what unless it

is lower melatonin levels. But now I have some things to consider...

By the way- I haven't seen those obvious OCD issues since he's been sleeping

either. He definitely lets things go a bit easier (not having to change his

diaper a hundred times in a short period, readjust his shoes every two

seconds, etc). He shows some traces but it may be normal toddler stuff or

stuff he watched his brother do. I'm not sure if either of them really has

OCD yet, and actually have been wanting to send an email about whether to

pursue the discovery at this point or 'wait and see'. I will try to do so

later today....

Anyway, thanks for all the info...I appreciate it.

>

> Hi, . That, along with the links I posted, which talk about the

> stomach upset, dreams, and potential for hallucinations too, is why I feel

> Benadryl is a safer choice IF they are not sleeping and need help.

>

September 10, 2010

I also thought about the fact that when she sleeps at friends houses, she has

Monster energy drinks. I do not allow them at home. I have to really wonder

now!!

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Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:46:36 AM

Subject: WAS:Re: Re: update-daughter acting strange again

NOW-Melatonin ?

Â

I googled melatonin, hallucinations. And things turned up on it, including the

type of forum comments with people talking about it. Seems to be the higher

dosages 3mg or over. And some of those I read were looking for something TO

cause them on purpose.

I'm sure some people take that amount and do okay, but we all know how people

react different to a same med (or supplement). I know quite a while back I read

a study done with children and melatonin and they were on a higher dose, 5mg and

higher, and it was a positive study and no hallucinations reported in the study

that I recall (can't recall what they were trying to determine). But I remember

thinking higher doses were apparently safe.

I also read caffeine can cause hallucinations, or rather drinking over 7 cups of

coffee a day can cause it. Coffee is my main drink for years (really, since

twins were born, now age 21) and I haven't had any!

But it's something to keep in mind, that melatonin can cause them for some.

> >

>

September 10, 2010

Thanks ,

This may be an explanation for my dd's diarrhea as well.

Judy

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