Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 We purchased some awesome books/materials from LinguiSystems. http://www.linguisystems.com/ Dena Social Stories I'm looking for some feedback on social stories. Carole Gray's stories have been recommended to me as well at the 5 book series Autism and PDD social skills lessons by Pam Britton Reese and Nena C Challenner. Needless to say the Carole Gray book is about $12 on Amazon, while the other set is over $100 on another web site. Does anyone out there have both of these and can you recommend one over the other? If the series is that much better, I'll buy it, but I was hoping for feedback first. For background, my daughter is 4 years old and after over a year and a half of ABA therapy is fairly high functioning. In addition to her speech still being severely delayed, she does need help socially. She's doing great in her typical preschool class with a shadow and is making strides, but still has a long way to go. In addition, we will soon be moving up to Rochester, New York so we will be faced with a lot of changes that I was hoping to find some stories for: * Daddy being away a lot to start the new job * Moving * Making new friends * Starting with new therapists and teachers * Starting a new preschool Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks, Waybright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Social stories are a technique, not necessary a certain book. The Carole Gray book will have examples of how to write them. I'm not familiar with the other book. The autism specialist at your ESC can help you write some social stories. If you don't know who that is, a list is at http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp The social stories don't have to be elaborate, base them on your daughter's comprehension level. Many are illustrated with stick figure drawings. Tonya Social Stories I'm looking for some feedback on social stories. Carole Gray's stories have been recommended to me as well at the 5 book series Autism and PDD social skills lessons by Pam Britton Reese and Nena C Challenner. Needless to say the Carole Gray book is about $12 on Amazon, while the other set is over $100 on another web site. Does anyone out there have both of these and can you recommend one over the other? If the series is that much better, I'll buy it, but I was hoping for feedback first. For background, my daughter is 4 years old and after over a year and a half of ABA therapy is fairly high functioning. In addition to her speech still being severely delayed, she does need help socially. She's doing great in her typical preschool class with a shadow and is making strides, but still has a long way to go. In addition, we will soon be moving up to Rochester, New York so we will be faced with a lot of changes that I was hoping to find some stories for: * Daddy being away a lot to start the new job * Moving * Making new friends * Starting with new therapists and teachers * Starting a new preschool Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks, Waybright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 You can check out Carol Gray's Social Stories without buying anything....she has a website at http://www.thegraycenter.org/ She has detailed info about social stories, her books, and even some prewritten stories about very DIFFICULT topics like puberty, sex issues, etc. that most of us parents don't particularly want to deal with. nna -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/566 - Release Date: 12/3/2006 4:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think social stories can be great, but also have to be significantly tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie does great with simple social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who would find it offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & taught like a teen. I also think behavior is not as simple as a social story. If Allie is stressing out & screaming because work isn't modified to her needs, then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at school. Screaming hurts peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am mad.' " would not address the behavior, fixing her work issues would be far more effective. So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it be effective with a lot of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should always start with a social story, and I think the issue needs to be addressed, not glossed over for some stupid story. I also think NTs could benefit greatly from social stories, too, about why those with autism behave as they do. Wouldn't that be funny, if every time a principal screwed up programming we parents made a social story with pics to read to them at an IEP meeting? ROFLMBO! Think that might make a point? Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think social stories can be great, but also have to be significantly tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie does great with simple social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who would find it offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & taught like a teen. I also think behavior is not as simple as a social story. If Allie is stressing out & screaming because work isn't modified to her needs, then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at school. Screaming hurts peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am mad.' " would not address the behavior, fixing her work issues would be far more effective. So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it be effective with a lot of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should always start with a social story, and I think the issue needs to be addressed, not glossed over for some stupid story. I also think NTs could benefit greatly from social stories, too, about why those with autism behave as they do. Wouldn't that be funny, if every time a principal screwed up programming we parents made a social story with pics to read to them at an IEP meeting? ROFLMBO! Think that might make a point? Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Debi said it more succinctly than I could. With one addition from me: Social stories are after my time, but if anyone had tried them with me it would have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had my name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou shalt not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children blah blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do something that isn't stupid now? " They just aren't one box fits all. Kassiane --- Debi wrote: > I think social stories can be great, but also have > to be significantly > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie does > great with simple > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who would > find it > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > taught like a teen. > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a social > story. If Allie is > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > modified to her needs, > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at school. > Screaming hurts > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am mad.' " > would not address > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be far > more effective. > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it be > effective with a lot > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > always start with a > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > addressed, not glossed > over for some stupid story. > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from social > stories, too, about > why those with autism behave as they do. Wouldn't > that be funny, if > every time a principal screwed up programming we > parents made a social > story with pics to read to them at an IEP meeting? > ROFLMBO! Think that > might make a point? > > Debi > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Debi said it more succinctly than I could. With one addition from me: Social stories are after my time, but if anyone had tried them with me it would have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had my name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou shalt not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children blah blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do something that isn't stupid now? " They just aren't one box fits all. Kassiane --- Debi wrote: > I think social stories can be great, but also have > to be significantly > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie does > great with simple > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who would > find it > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > taught like a teen. > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a social > story. If Allie is > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > modified to her needs, > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at school. > Screaming hurts > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am mad.' " > would not address > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be far > more effective. > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it be > effective with a lot > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > always start with a > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > addressed, not glossed > over for some stupid story. > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from social > stories, too, about > why those with autism behave as they do. Wouldn't > that be funny, if > every time a principal screwed up programming we > parents made a social > story with pics to read to them at an IEP meeting? > ROFLMBO! Think that > might make a point? > > Debi > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Kassianne this is where we differ in needs as for me much would have benefitted from visual aides and scripted social stories to help me learn what to expect and or what to do in certain situations as for me always felt lost and unsure of what to do and there for reacted in behaviors. For me though in true would never kow if one is of being of that words of condensending as lack that feeling or awareness of when one is of doing that to me. it does not mean I to be of right or you wrong or the other way around it means that we are of two on the spectrum who have two very different needs and levels of awareness and or functioning. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi wrote: > > Debi said it more succinctly than I could. > > With one addition from me: Social stories are after my > time, but if anyone had tried them with me it would > have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had my > name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou shalt > not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children blah > blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do > something that isn't stupid now? " > > They just aren't one box fits all. > > Kassiane > > --- Debi wrote: > > > I think social stories can be great, but also have > > to be significantly > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie does > > great with simple > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who would > > find it > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > taught like a teen. > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a social > > story. If Allie is > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > modified to her needs, > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at school. > > Screaming hurts > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am mad.' " > > would not address > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be far > > more effective. > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it be > > effective with a lot > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > always start with a > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > addressed, not glossed > > over for some stupid story. > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from social > > stories, too, about > > why those with autism behave as they do. Wouldn't > > that be funny, if > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > parents made a social > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP meeting? > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > might make a point? > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Kassianne this is where we differ in needs as for me much would have benefitted from visual aides and scripted social stories to help me learn what to expect and or what to do in certain situations as for me always felt lost and unsure of what to do and there for reacted in behaviors. For me though in true would never kow if one is of being of that words of condensending as lack that feeling or awareness of when one is of doing that to me. it does not mean I to be of right or you wrong or the other way around it means that we are of two on the spectrum who have two very different needs and levels of awareness and or functioning. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi wrote: > > Debi said it more succinctly than I could. > > With one addition from me: Social stories are after my > time, but if anyone had tried them with me it would > have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had my > name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou shalt > not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children blah > blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do > something that isn't stupid now? " > > They just aren't one box fits all. > > Kassiane > > --- Debi wrote: > > > I think social stories can be great, but also have > > to be significantly > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie does > > great with simple > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who would > > find it > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > taught like a teen. > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a social > > story. If Allie is > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > modified to her needs, > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at school. > > Screaming hurts > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am mad.' " > > would not address > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be far > > more effective. > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it be > > effective with a lot > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > always start with a > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > addressed, not glossed > > over for some stupid story. > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from social > > stories, too, about > > why those with autism behave as they do. Wouldn't > > that be funny, if > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > parents made a social > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP meeting? > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > might make a point? > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I love visual aides. All my cabinets have pictures on them and everything. I hate having my name or picture in stories *grin* Part of this, I think, is because my name is so unusual. And part is because I don't recognize myself very well, but enough to know I don't look " normal " and that this lead to problems. Some people they're great for, others they arent. And higher level social stories are appropriate for EVERYONE. That's basically what the airline announcements are, with the safety features. Kassiane --- sondra wrote: > Kassianne this is where we differ in needs as for me > much would have > benefitted from visual aides and scripted social > stories to help me > learn what to expect and or what to do in certain > situations as for > me always felt lost and unsure of what to do and > there for reacted in > behaviors. For me though in true would never kow if > one is of being > of that words of condensending as lack that feeling > or awareness of > when one is of doing that to me. it does not mean I > to be of right or > you wrong or the other way around it means that we > are of two on the > spectrum who have two very different needs and > levels of awareness > and or functioning. > Sondra > > In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi > > wrote: > > > > Debi said it more succinctly than I could. > > > > With one addition from me: Social stories are > after my > > time, but if anyone had tried them with me it > would > > have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had > my > > name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou > shalt > > not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children > blah > > blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do > > something that isn't stupid now? " > > > > They just aren't one box fits all. > > > > Kassiane > > > > --- Debi wrote: > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > have > > > to be significantly > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > does > > > great with simple > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > would > > > find it > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > social > > > story. If Allie is > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > modified to her needs, > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > school. > > > Screaming hurts > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > mad.' " > > > would not address > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > far > > > more effective. > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > be > > > effective with a lot > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > always start with a > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > addressed, not glossed > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > social > > > stories, too, about > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > Wouldn't > > > that be funny, if > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > parents made a social > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > meeting? > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > might make a point? > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I love visual aides. All my cabinets have pictures on them and everything. I hate having my name or picture in stories *grin* Part of this, I think, is because my name is so unusual. And part is because I don't recognize myself very well, but enough to know I don't look " normal " and that this lead to problems. Some people they're great for, others they arent. And higher level social stories are appropriate for EVERYONE. That's basically what the airline announcements are, with the safety features. Kassiane --- sondra wrote: > Kassianne this is where we differ in needs as for me > much would have > benefitted from visual aides and scripted social > stories to help me > learn what to expect and or what to do in certain > situations as for > me always felt lost and unsure of what to do and > there for reacted in > behaviors. For me though in true would never kow if > one is of being > of that words of condensending as lack that feeling > or awareness of > when one is of doing that to me. it does not mean I > to be of right or > you wrong or the other way around it means that we > are of two on the > spectrum who have two very different needs and > levels of awareness > and or functioning. > Sondra > > In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi > > wrote: > > > > Debi said it more succinctly than I could. > > > > With one addition from me: Social stories are > after my > > time, but if anyone had tried them with me it > would > > have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had > my > > name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou > shalt > > not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children > blah > > blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do > > something that isn't stupid now? " > > > > They just aren't one box fits all. > > > > Kassiane > > > > --- Debi wrote: > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > have > > > to be significantly > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > does > > > great with simple > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > would > > > find it > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > social > > > story. If Allie is > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > modified to her needs, > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > school. > > > Screaming hurts > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > mad.' " > > > would not address > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > far > > > more effective. > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > be > > > effective with a lot > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > always start with a > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > addressed, not glossed > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > social > > > stories, too, about > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > Wouldn't > > > that be funny, if > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > parents made a social > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > meeting? > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > might make a point? > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Kassi I to do not like of my name hearing of it causes me stress sometiems, I to nto like to be placed in settings where eyes on me in what my brain might see as a negative fashions or even unexpectedly placed as a center of words with my presence, but not aware they will be to do that. I to not like of my pictures ever. I to be to just not have a good sense of self either and it makes of me anxious to see self in a picture. the image I to see does not match up to the image my brain thinks of me. I to try to think of self as normal so to speak but when I to see of my image it reminds me I to not be of that. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi wrote: > > I love visual aides. All my cabinets have pictures on > them and everything. > > I hate having my name or picture in stories *grin* > > Part of this, I think, is because my name is so > unusual. And part is because I don't recognize myself > very well, but enough to know I don't look " normal " > and that this lead to problems. > > Some people they're great for, others they arent. And > higher level social stories are appropriate for > EVERYONE. That's basically what the airline > announcements are, with the safety features. > > Kassiane > > --- sondra wrote: > > > Kassianne this is where we differ in needs as for me > > much would have > > benefitted from visual aides and scripted social > > stories to help me > > learn what to expect and or what to do in certain > > situations as for > > me always felt lost and unsure of what to do and > > there for reacted in > > behaviors. For me though in true would never kow if > > one is of being > > of that words of condensending as lack that feeling > > or awareness of > > when one is of doing that to me. it does not mean I > > to be of right or > > you wrong or the other way around it means that we > > are of two on the > > spectrum who have two very different needs and > > levels of awareness > > and or functioning. > > Sondra > > > > In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi > > <kassihatestwistin@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Debi said it more succinctly than I could. > > > > > > With one addition from me: Social stories are > > after my > > > time, but if anyone had tried them with me it > > would > > > have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had > > my > > > name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou > > shalt > > > not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children > > blah > > > blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do > > > something that isn't stupid now? " > > > > > > They just aren't one box fits all. > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > --- Debi <fightingautism@> wrote: > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > have > > > > to be significantly > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > does > > > > great with simple > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > would > > > > find it > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > social > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > school. > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > mad.' " > > > > would not address > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > far > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > be > > > > effective with a lot > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > always start with a > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > social > > > > stories, too, about > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > Wouldn't > > > > that be funny, if > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > parents made a social > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > meeting? > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Kassi I to do not like of my name hearing of it causes me stress sometiems, I to nto like to be placed in settings where eyes on me in what my brain might see as a negative fashions or even unexpectedly placed as a center of words with my presence, but not aware they will be to do that. I to not like of my pictures ever. I to be to just not have a good sense of self either and it makes of me anxious to see self in a picture. the image I to see does not match up to the image my brain thinks of me. I to try to think of self as normal so to speak but when I to see of my image it reminds me I to not be of that. Sondra In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi wrote: > > I love visual aides. All my cabinets have pictures on > them and everything. > > I hate having my name or picture in stories *grin* > > Part of this, I think, is because my name is so > unusual. And part is because I don't recognize myself > very well, but enough to know I don't look " normal " > and that this lead to problems. > > Some people they're great for, others they arent. And > higher level social stories are appropriate for > EVERYONE. That's basically what the airline > announcements are, with the safety features. > > Kassiane > > --- sondra wrote: > > > Kassianne this is where we differ in needs as for me > > much would have > > benefitted from visual aides and scripted social > > stories to help me > > learn what to expect and or what to do in certain > > situations as for > > me always felt lost and unsure of what to do and > > there for reacted in > > behaviors. For me though in true would never kow if > > one is of being > > of that words of condensending as lack that feeling > > or awareness of > > when one is of doing that to me. it does not mean I > > to be of right or > > you wrong or the other way around it means that we > > are of two on the > > spectrum who have two very different needs and > > levels of awareness > > and or functioning. > > Sondra > > > > In Autism_in_Girls , Kassi > > <kassihatestwistin@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Debi said it more succinctly than I could. > > > > > > With one addition from me: Social stories are > > after my > > > time, but if anyone had tried them with me it > > would > > > have been an abysmal failure. If they'd have had > > my > > > name and pics Id have spontaneously done a " thou > > shalt > > > not condescend " one, and if they'd been " children > > blah > > > blah blah " it would have been " yes, duh, can we do > > > something that isn't stupid now? " > > > > > > They just aren't one box fits all. > > > > > > Kassiane > > > > > > --- Debi <fightingautism@> wrote: > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > have > > > > to be significantly > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > does > > > > great with simple > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > would > > > > find it > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > social > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > school. > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > mad.' " > > > > would not address > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > far > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > be > > > > effective with a lot > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > always start with a > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > social > > > > stories, too, about > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > Wouldn't > > > > that be funny, if > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > parents made a social > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > meeting? > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I wonder if y'all don't like hearing your names because when you were children, adults used them too much to try to regulate your behavior. I've observed in more than one public school classrooms for children with autism that the staff tend to use the students' names over and over, usually at attempt to regulate behavior, as if the student didn't HEAR it the first time, as opposed to the adult assuming competence by waiting for the child to actually PROCESS the spoken word the first time it was spoken, and to act upon it. In RDI, we are asked to wait 45-60 seconds (as opposed to the rapid fire we were taught in discreet trial) to allow our children to process meaning and take their own responses. > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > have > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > does > > > > > great with simple > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > would > > > > > find it > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > social > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > school. > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > mad.' " > > > > > would not address > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > far > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > be > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > always start with a > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > social > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > Wouldn't > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > meeting? > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I wonder if y'all don't like hearing your names because when you were children, adults used them too much to try to regulate your behavior. I've observed in more than one public school classrooms for children with autism that the staff tend to use the students' names over and over, usually at attempt to regulate behavior, as if the student didn't HEAR it the first time, as opposed to the adult assuming competence by waiting for the child to actually PROCESS the spoken word the first time it was spoken, and to act upon it. In RDI, we are asked to wait 45-60 seconds (as opposed to the rapid fire we were taught in discreet trial) to allow our children to process meaning and take their own responses. > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > have > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > does > > > > > great with simple > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > would > > > > > find it > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > social > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > school. > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > mad.' " > > > > > would not address > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > far > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > be > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > always start with a > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > social > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > Wouldn't > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > meeting? > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 that might be but do not mind of my name used when addressing words to me for the first time, other wise I to sit and have no clue the words are of directed to me unless a pattern is of present such as if we are of all sitting in a circle and it is of my turn to respond or sue words then can follow my turn by seeing the pattern for my turn approaching. I to not like ot be of first, I to use others as models and the extra time to regulate to the setting. If asked first it causes a complete breat in my ability to respond and or give. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 that might be but do not mind of my name used when addressing words to me for the first time, other wise I to sit and have no clue the words are of directed to me unless a pattern is of present such as if we are of all sitting in a circle and it is of my turn to respond or sue words then can follow my turn by seeing the pattern for my turn approaching. I to not like ot be of first, I to use others as models and the extra time to regulate to the setting. If asked first it causes a complete breat in my ability to respond and or give. Sondra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yep...I was taught to use a child's name sparingly when giving directions or regulating behavior in any way, for exactly that reason. People shouldn't learn to associate their names with demands or something else unpleasant. I always train my staff to use the child's name in fun or play situations the most, and then for getting attention in potentially dangerous situations (running away in a parking lot, etc) next. That's the other concern with over-use of names...kids start to tune it out and it loses it's importance and just becomes background noise when you really need it to be attention getting. It's hard to convince parents not to yell " (Name) stop that! " or whatever though. Amnesty > > > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > > have > > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > > does > > > > > > great with simple > > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > > would > > > > > > find it > > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > > social > > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > > school. > > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > > mad.' " > > > > > > would not address > > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > > far > > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > > be > > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > > always start with a > > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > > social > > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > > Wouldn't > > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > > meeting? > > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yep...I was taught to use a child's name sparingly when giving directions or regulating behavior in any way, for exactly that reason. People shouldn't learn to associate their names with demands or something else unpleasant. I always train my staff to use the child's name in fun or play situations the most, and then for getting attention in potentially dangerous situations (running away in a parking lot, etc) next. That's the other concern with over-use of names...kids start to tune it out and it loses it's importance and just becomes background noise when you really need it to be attention getting. It's hard to convince parents not to yell " (Name) stop that! " or whatever though. Amnesty > > > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > > have > > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > > does > > > > > > great with simple > > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > > would > > > > > > find it > > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > > social > > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > > school. > > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > > mad.' " > > > > > > would not address > > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > > far > > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > > be > > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > > always start with a > > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > > social > > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > > Wouldn't > > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > > meeting? > > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I guess I am more of RDI person and looking at all the perspectives to help kids. My complaint was that the principal did not look at the child just the technique that she thought would fix the " problem " . I had another student that social stories work really well with and so I am not having problems with the social stories just that people mainly school administrators think that it is the only way. Also, I didn't yell enough at the child, I believe in being calm. That calm and loving approach seemed to her as letting the student get " away " with the behavior. Well, I am glad I am at home with my beloved children and many people think I should start a parent group in my community. So, I have plenty to do. Thanks for your input. Happy New Year, Teresia > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > > > have > > > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > > > does > > > > > > > great with simple > > > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > > > would > > > > > > > find it > > > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > > > social > > > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > > > school. > > > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > > > mad.' " > > > > > > > would not address > > > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > > > far > > > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > > > be > > > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > > > always start with a > > > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > > > social > > > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > > > Wouldn't > > > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > > > meeting? > > > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I guess I am more of RDI person and looking at all the perspectives to help kids. My complaint was that the principal did not look at the child just the technique that she thought would fix the " problem " . I had another student that social stories work really well with and so I am not having problems with the social stories just that people mainly school administrators think that it is the only way. Also, I didn't yell enough at the child, I believe in being calm. That calm and loving approach seemed to her as letting the student get " away " with the behavior. Well, I am glad I am at home with my beloved children and many people think I should start a parent group in my community. So, I have plenty to do. Thanks for your input. Happy New Year, Teresia > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > > > have > > > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > > > does > > > > > > > great with simple > > > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > > > would > > > > > > > find it > > > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > > > social > > > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > > > school. > > > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > > > mad.' " > > > > > > > would not address > > > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > > > far > > > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > > > be > > > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > > > always start with a > > > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > > > social > > > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > > > Wouldn't > > > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > > > meeting? > > > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I missed your original post on this...just went back and read it. I agree that social stories are one of many tools available, but certainly don't work for everyone. I have one little guy I work with now who LOVES to see pictures of himself and people he knows in his " books. " He even adds his own pictures. We've had him help write his own social stories about some things and we write others for him. I think he's the only one of my current 7 kids that uses and benefits from them though. He's also my oldest, at 7, and very verbal and social. I quit teaching special ed when the principal of my school told me " No one expects you to teach them anything. Just keep them alive til the end of the day. " So I really understand how frustrated you felt with your administrator. Now I do ABA for a private company and I am much, much happier (and more effective in actually making a difference in how kids learn). Amnesty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > great with simple > > > > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > find it > > > > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > > > > school. > > > > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > > > > mad.' " > > > > > > > > would not address > > > > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > > > > always start with a > > > > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > > > > Wouldn't > > > > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > > > > meeting? > > > > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I missed your original post on this...just went back and read it. I agree that social stories are one of many tools available, but certainly don't work for everyone. I have one little guy I work with now who LOVES to see pictures of himself and people he knows in his " books. " He even adds his own pictures. We've had him help write his own social stories about some things and we write others for him. I think he's the only one of my current 7 kids that uses and benefits from them though. He's also my oldest, at 7, and very verbal and social. I quit teaching special ed when the principal of my school told me " No one expects you to teach them anything. Just keep them alive til the end of the day. " So I really understand how frustrated you felt with your administrator. Now I do ABA for a private company and I am much, much happier (and more effective in actually making a difference in how kids learn). Amnesty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think social stories can be great, but also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to be significantly > > > > > > > > tweaked and from different angles. Like Allie > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > great with simple > > > > > > > > social stories, but I know a 15 yr old boy who > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > find it > > > > > > > > offensive, he's a teen & needs to be spoken to & > > > > > > > > taught like a teen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think behavior is not as simple as a > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > story. If Allie is > > > > > > > > stressing out & screaming because work isn't > > > > > > > > modified to her needs, > > > > > > > > then giving her a " Screaming isn't good at > > > > > > school. > > > > > > > > Screaming hurts > > > > > > > > peoples' ears. When you are mad, say, 'I am > > > > > > mad.' " > > > > > > > > would not address > > > > > > > > the behavior, fixing her work issues would be > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess my bottom line is that I've seen it > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > effective with a lot > > > > > > > > of kids, but that doesn't mean everything should > > > > > > > > always start with a > > > > > > > > social story, and I think the issue needs to be > > > > > > > > addressed, not glossed > > > > > > > > over for some stupid story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think NTs could benefit greatly from > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > stories, too, about > > > > > > > > why those with autism behave as they do. > > > > > > Wouldn't > > > > > > > > that be funny, if > > > > > > > > every time a principal screwed up programming we > > > > > > > > parents made a social > > > > > > > > story with pics to read to them at an IEP > > > > > > meeting? > > > > > > > > ROFLMBO! Think that > > > > > > > > might make a point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? > > > > category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Hi -- I think social stories are a great tool but if they shouldn't be the only one in your tool box. There are a lot of great tools to help folks. Your expertise is in finding the right tools for the right situation. Thanks for all you did for our kids and parents! -- Cassie bookfairy0 wrote: > Ok...I have a topic that I really would like some input about. I was a > special education teacher for 13 years and I resigned my position > recently because I found the stress to be amazingly difficult. > > My former principal felt I was not doing a good job since some of my > students would become agitated and occasionally scream disrupting the > classes around us. I said that is what happens sometimes. She said I > was too accepting of such behavior. Then she asked where are the kids > social stories. She had me writing social stories constantly. One > student could speak English, but when he was upset he could only > respond in Spanish. One student had such a strong intelligence that a > social story was insulting to him. He had figured out that the story > was because he was doing " something wrong " . When I explained this to > her she just thought I was not wanting to spend hours after school > writing these out. > > I just felt my efforts were used better by using other techniques to > help these students. As a parent of 4 children and 3 with ASD. Plus, > all of my training in Autism and Special Education, I felt I had an > expertise. Very few parents put picture schedules up and the kids > figure out pretty quickly it is a control device. I see the use but > many educators think this is a " one size fits all " approach to > educating children with ASD. I feel every kid is different and as a > parent I was starting to resent how people looked at my students. The > parents of my students loved me and felt supported since I know how > they feel. > > How do all of you feel about social stories? Am I being defensive? I > have to say I do believe in using pictures to educate but having this > pure rote behavior seems insensitive. I feel like these educators do > not think that children with Autism have feelings or cannot think for > themselves. I am tired of Austism Awareness, how about some > understanding that these kids are people. > > Thanks for listening. > Sincerely, > Teresia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Hi -- I think social stories are a great tool but if they shouldn't be the only one in your tool box. There are a lot of great tools to help folks. Your expertise is in finding the right tools for the right situation. Thanks for all you did for our kids and parents! -- Cassie bookfairy0 wrote: > Ok...I have a topic that I really would like some input about. I was a > special education teacher for 13 years and I resigned my position > recently because I found the stress to be amazingly difficult. > > My former principal felt I was not doing a good job since some of my > students would become agitated and occasionally scream disrupting the > classes around us. I said that is what happens sometimes. She said I > was too accepting of such behavior. Then she asked where are the kids > social stories. She had me writing social stories constantly. One > student could speak English, but when he was upset he could only > respond in Spanish. One student had such a strong intelligence that a > social story was insulting to him. He had figured out that the story > was because he was doing " something wrong " . When I explained this to > her she just thought I was not wanting to spend hours after school > writing these out. > > I just felt my efforts were used better by using other techniques to > help these students. As a parent of 4 children and 3 with ASD. Plus, > all of my training in Autism and Special Education, I felt I had an > expertise. Very few parents put picture schedules up and the kids > figure out pretty quickly it is a control device. I see the use but > many educators think this is a " one size fits all " approach to > educating children with ASD. I feel every kid is different and as a > parent I was starting to resent how people looked at my students. The > parents of my students loved me and felt supported since I know how > they feel. > > How do all of you feel about social stories? Am I being defensive? I > have to say I do believe in using pictures to educate but having this > pure rote behavior seems insensitive. I feel like these educators do > not think that children with Autism have feelings or cannot think for > themselves. I am tired of Austism Awareness, how about some > understanding that these kids are people. > > Thanks for listening. > Sincerely, > Teresia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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