Re: not existing

[Guest guest]

It still baffles me that intelligent people are taking

> someone who called herself an Indigo Child and " enjoys

> farting " seriously on scientific matters anyway.

LOL!!!! Thanks for the laugh. You got that right!

[Guest guest]

> marie not angry or hurt by the words because not know of her , but

> confused by the words bringed here saying that she felt adults do not

> exist . I to be of responding to the thinking of that but not in

> regards to her alone as a person. I to often get confused by concepts

> and thinking that do not seem to have a sound logic to it not so much

> the people unless feeling attacked by a person ten more than anger I

> to feel fear and confusions as lack why the attack as many I to

> learned as you shared will assume things of me that do not have a

> truth in it or of my real intent of what was trying to communicate of

> it. Good. I'm glad to hear you weren't hurt or angry by Jennie

> McCarthy's words.

>

> Yes to carry of the words in relation to a unknown to me person for I'm

> sorry to hear you have been so betrayed by people who you had trusted &

> cared about. Breaking up with someone is very hard to do. I hope you will

> be able to work through it, but if not, that's OK. You still have a family

> that loves you & that's the most important thing. Friends can come & go,

> families sometimes too b/c living with autism is very hard & in your case

> you actually live with it yourself & your children too. I admire you for

> the courage you have to keep doing your best; I get that from your posts.

> I admire all the adults on the spectrum who have struggles & work hard at

> dealing in a society of uncertainty. I have some too, but I know, not even

> close to the extent that people with autism have to deal with.

> me is not always a thing I to do. If they are familar and a drastic

> change occurs in that knowings of each other it causes me to not be

> to let go of it because for me need to understand of it in complete

> so that my logic is one that makes of sense to me.

>

> There was of only one person who seemed to find ways to hurt me on a

> few lists and attack in ways to me that caused me to feel so much

> fear and hurt by her words. From her perspective she saw of her own

> truth she developed in her thinking of me and was quick to share of

> it in ways that were of great degrade to me. it caused me so much

> inner chaos I to could not cope it because felt powerless to know how

> ot defend of self and or understand the logic behind of her attacks.

> I was to be of very stuck into that event and felt frozen unable to

> move on. it caused me a depression in a very bad way because all the

> things the family felt of me, public views of me came to me like a

> huge weigt and felt in the life of me I to had no right to be of a

> human and live because could not do life right and it cycled me to a

> severe depressions of no self esteem, no sense of being, no inner

> worth of value and so it caused the suicide irrational thinking of

> that to be so strong I to had to go to into more intense therapy. a

> few months later a very close friend at least felt she was in my life

> withdrew of her friendship and it caused me to cycle again and felt

> could not understand why one who shared I was to be of her best

> froend for a few years and she supported and helped me suddenly turn

> on me and she too then developed a misconception of my actions and

> words and maked it feel twisted and not of the real truth. such as

> when one is of very dear to me and I to much feel connected to them

> and enjoy of their beings I to refer to them with the word " MY " in

> front of it showing from my perspective a love for them. this person

> twisted that and after she no longer was of being my friend but

> hurting and attacking telled me I to did that in the fashion to show

> of ownership of her. this was never an concept within me I to had of

> her ever, and it hurt of me greatly that she assumed that and used

> that in the way she was to do. it left me with huge gaps and fears of

> ever building a friendhip again. I to now find if people try to get

> into my world in the real of life , I to find self sabbatoging it by

> avoiding them, fearing them, and the fear because almost like a

> paranoia and causes a severe need to avoid that person at all cost.

> Even though others have shared her or hims intent is of just wanting

> to be of a friend. my brain is forever probablly stuck to that

> concept and fight harder to never accept a person in the life of me

> to get of close to me as in friendship. I to not want of one ever

> now. but do accept friendships that are of a based off words and not

> in the real of life seeing, touching and or hearing the person.

> it fears me too much and so for now cant work through that yet.

>

> so I to understand aobut the concept of how others can assume things

> much quickly or take of words from one context and switch it to mean

> something much not right in another concepts.

>

> Sondra

>

> We'll stay friends over the internet & if we ever meet in person, I'm

> happy to keep it at whatever level you feel comfortable in, just tell me, if

> you can. I like to hear things more clear cut & without hints b/c I'm not

> very good at hearing them myself.

>

> --

> Marie

>

[Guest guest]

> marie not angry or hurt by the words because not know of her , but

> confused by the words bringed here saying that she felt adults do not

> exist . I to be of responding to the thinking of that but not in

> regards to her alone as a person. I to often get confused by concepts

> and thinking that do not seem to have a sound logic to it not so much

> the people unless feeling attacked by a person ten more than anger I

> to feel fear and confusions as lack why the attack as many I to

> learned as you shared will assume things of me that do not have a

> truth in it or of my real intent of what was trying to communicate of

> it. Good. I'm glad to hear you weren't hurt or angry by Jennie

> McCarthy's words.

>

> Yes to carry of the words in relation to a unknown to me person for I'm

> sorry to hear you have been so betrayed by people who you had trusted &

> cared about. Breaking up with someone is very hard to do. I hope you will

> be able to work through it, but if not, that's OK. You still have a family

> that loves you & that's the most important thing. Friends can come & go,

> families sometimes too b/c living with autism is very hard & in your case

> you actually live with it yourself & your children too. I admire you for

> the courage you have to keep doing your best; I get that from your posts.

> I admire all the adults on the spectrum who have struggles & work hard at

> dealing in a society of uncertainty. I have some too, but I know, not even

> close to the extent that people with autism have to deal with.

> me is not always a thing I to do. If they are familar and a drastic

> change occurs in that knowings of each other it causes me to not be

> to let go of it because for me need to understand of it in complete

> so that my logic is one that makes of sense to me.

>

> There was of only one person who seemed to find ways to hurt me on a

> few lists and attack in ways to me that caused me to feel so much

> fear and hurt by her words. From her perspective she saw of her own

> truth she developed in her thinking of me and was quick to share of

> it in ways that were of great degrade to me. it caused me so much

> inner chaos I to could not cope it because felt powerless to know how

> ot defend of self and or understand the logic behind of her attacks.

> I was to be of very stuck into that event and felt frozen unable to

> move on. it caused me a depression in a very bad way because all the

> things the family felt of me, public views of me came to me like a

> huge weigt and felt in the life of me I to had no right to be of a

> human and live because could not do life right and it cycled me to a

> severe depressions of no self esteem, no sense of being, no inner

> worth of value and so it caused the suicide irrational thinking of

> that to be so strong I to had to go to into more intense therapy. a

> few months later a very close friend at least felt she was in my life

> withdrew of her friendship and it caused me to cycle again and felt

> could not understand why one who shared I was to be of her best

> froend for a few years and she supported and helped me suddenly turn

> on me and she too then developed a misconception of my actions and

> words and maked it feel twisted and not of the real truth. such as

> when one is of very dear to me and I to much feel connected to them

> and enjoy of their beings I to refer to them with the word " MY " in

> front of it showing from my perspective a love for them. this person

> twisted that and after she no longer was of being my friend but

> hurting and attacking telled me I to did that in the fashion to show

> of ownership of her. this was never an concept within me I to had of

> her ever, and it hurt of me greatly that she assumed that and used

> that in the way she was to do. it left me with huge gaps and fears of

> ever building a friendhip again. I to now find if people try to get

> into my world in the real of life , I to find self sabbatoging it by

> avoiding them, fearing them, and the fear because almost like a

> paranoia and causes a severe need to avoid that person at all cost.

> Even though others have shared her or hims intent is of just wanting

> to be of a friend. my brain is forever probablly stuck to that

> concept and fight harder to never accept a person in the life of me

> to get of close to me as in friendship. I to not want of one ever

> now. but do accept friendships that are of a based off words and not

> in the real of life seeing, touching and or hearing the person.

> it fears me too much and so for now cant work through that yet.

>

> so I to understand aobut the concept of how others can assume things

> much quickly or take of words from one context and switch it to mean

> something much not right in another concepts.

>

> Sondra

>

> We'll stay friends over the internet & if we ever meet in person, I'm

> happy to keep it at whatever level you feel comfortable in, just tell me, if

> you can. I like to hear things more clear cut & without hints b/c I'm not

> very good at hearing them myself.

>

> --

> Marie

>

[Guest guest]

megan thank you so much foryou words here and hope you continue to

share and not retreat to lurking states. you are of much wisdom as a

mom.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

megan thank you so much foryou words here and hope you continue to

share and not retreat to lurking states. you are of much wisdom as a

mom.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

marie not fearful of chats in autism groups of conferences because

aware the person is too far away to be of smothering of me ads in

face to face expectations of a long term committment of real life

friendships.

Someday maybe will gain of skills or over come of this fear but it

will be of much time for me to work trough and since never get of

answers for the reasons it leaves it too open and not having a

closure to it so it leaves me feeling still uncertain and unsettled

about people. As I to shared am of okay to chats and being among

peoples to some degree in conferences and such and can even find a

safe and calm among some. this is the extent of my social life.

Outside of those events I to be of much a recloose in the sense of

not feeling lonely so not feeling of a need to interact and or

socialize. I to prefer of my safe and my own home due to the familar

and comfort of the many things that I to discovered and found over

the years. my office room is my own space. I to be of often can shut

of self and and lock of door and be happiest tobe of this way. people

can clutter my ability to think and be of functional at times and yet

intrigued by them, and over all have a huge heart for humanity and

cry of the suffering of others and the injustices of some. but to get

to know of a person individually is like having several 3000 piece

puzzles all dumped on to the table mixed up into each other, not

allowed to see the box to gain detail of the pictures as a whole but

expected to assemble them as if you have of a visual understand of

them. it is of too overwhelming, complex and unpredictable for me and

so I to avoid , retreat and or destroy the puzzles to get out of it.

this I to be aware of when not in the midst of the event or issues ,

but observing inner reflections of those events stored within me.....

but as shared cant see it happening , feel it happening or if feel it

cant interpret it fast enough to say oh,,, it is of that overload

people things again that caused me to react this way or that. it is

only after the event is over that I to be of able to see it for what

it was.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

marie not fearful of chats in autism groups of conferences because

aware the person is too far away to be of smothering of me ads in

face to face expectations of a long term committment of real life

friendships.

Someday maybe will gain of skills or over come of this fear but it

will be of much time for me to work trough and since never get of

answers for the reasons it leaves it too open and not having a

closure to it so it leaves me feeling still uncertain and unsettled

about people. As I to shared am of okay to chats and being among

peoples to some degree in conferences and such and can even find a

safe and calm among some. this is the extent of my social life.

Outside of those events I to be of much a recloose in the sense of

not feeling lonely so not feeling of a need to interact and or

socialize. I to prefer of my safe and my own home due to the familar

and comfort of the many things that I to discovered and found over

the years. my office room is my own space. I to be of often can shut

of self and and lock of door and be happiest tobe of this way. people

can clutter my ability to think and be of functional at times and yet

intrigued by them, and over all have a huge heart for humanity and

cry of the suffering of others and the injustices of some. but to get

to know of a person individually is like having several 3000 piece

puzzles all dumped on to the table mixed up into each other, not

allowed to see the box to gain detail of the pictures as a whole but

expected to assemble them as if you have of a visual understand of

them. it is of too overwhelming, complex and unpredictable for me and

so I to avoid , retreat and or destroy the puzzles to get out of it.

this I to be aware of when not in the midst of the event or issues ,

but observing inner reflections of those events stored within me.....

but as shared cant see it happening , feel it happening or if feel it

cant interpret it fast enough to say oh,,, it is of that overload

people things again that caused me to react this way or that. it is

only after the event is over that I to be of able to see it for what

it was.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

I was just wondering what is an Indigo Child??? I had never heard that term

used before

megansspark wrote: I enjoy lurking and reading

here.

Just have to say--

I cringe every time I see an article with the combination of M

and autism.

I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and educate others, but

she needs a lot more background experience with all levels of autism--

not just her story. She needs to visit facilities and group homes

where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the full scope before

declaring herself spokesperson.

And I also get tired of the 'early intervention' people screaming that

if every autistic child was caught early enough they could be cured.

I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion and have gone

through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes built up and crashed

with this approach and that. Time has been the only thing that has

brought improvements. My child will be an autistic adult. I accept

that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be the best they can.

But we need to accept that our own will to change a situation is not

realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we accept. That is

our gift to our children.

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Here are some sites discussing the topic:

http://www.starchild.co.za/what.html

http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/

http://www.innerself.com/Parenting/indigo_children.htm

http://www.namastecafe.com/evolution/indigo/

http://www.amazon.com/Indigo-Children-Kids-Have-Arrived/dp/1561706086

> I was just wondering what is an Indigo Child??? I had never heard

> that term used before

>

[Guest guest]

She might have meant that the overwhelming majority of people with

autism are children. According to statistics, that's fairly accurate.

I think ASA says 80% of those with autism are under 18. It's fairly

normal for the NTs to use wrong words like, " all " when " majority "

would be more accurate. They aren't as prone to presenting facts

clearly as those with autism.

Kassi, I'm right there with you on why someone would think a playboy

model has more insight than researchers who have risked their entire

career to present a study showing measles virus, or a practitioner who

has stopped chronic gut pain, etc. I don't get pop culture much anyway.

Debi

>

> *shakes head*

>

> I read the interview. She said " There are no adults,

> it's all now " when asked about the adults. I know the

> first three adults she met (and the first was not

> Bernie's son, it was my friend ). It's like if

> she doesn't have personal experience with something it

> doesn't exist...I DID look for the quote because it

> was an " oh my heavens you have GOT to be kidding " kind

> of thing, in light of her meeting my 3 friends AND the

> other autistics at DAN! plus the others she's run

> into.

>

> It still baffles me that intelligent people are taking

> someone who called herself an Indigo Child and " enjoys

> farting " seriously on scientific matters anyway. She

> knows what it is to be Evan's mother and that's about

> where her expertise ends (and the implications that if

> you don't spend umpteen zillion dollars trying

> everything for your kid it's your fault if your kid

> has XYZ problem bother me too...but not as much as

> they bother parents, I'd imagine...)

>

> Kassiane

> who exists

>

[Guest guest]

She might have meant that the overwhelming majority of people with

autism are children. According to statistics, that's fairly accurate.

I think ASA says 80% of those with autism are under 18. It's fairly

normal for the NTs to use wrong words like, " all " when " majority "

would be more accurate. They aren't as prone to presenting facts

clearly as those with autism.

Kassi, I'm right there with you on why someone would think a playboy

model has more insight than researchers who have risked their entire

career to present a study showing measles virus, or a practitioner who

has stopped chronic gut pain, etc. I don't get pop culture much anyway.

Debi

>

> *shakes head*

>

> I read the interview. She said " There are no adults,

> it's all now " when asked about the adults. I know the

> first three adults she met (and the first was not

> Bernie's son, it was my friend ). It's like if

> she doesn't have personal experience with something it

> doesn't exist...I DID look for the quote because it

> was an " oh my heavens you have GOT to be kidding " kind

> of thing, in light of her meeting my 3 friends AND the

> other autistics at DAN! plus the others she's run

> into.

>

> It still baffles me that intelligent people are taking

> someone who called herself an Indigo Child and " enjoys

> farting " seriously on scientific matters anyway. She

> knows what it is to be Evan's mother and that's about

> where her expertise ends (and the implications that if

> you don't spend umpteen zillion dollars trying

> everything for your kid it's your fault if your kid

> has XYZ problem bother me too...but not as much as

> they bother parents, I'd imagine...)

>

> Kassiane

> who exists

>

[Guest guest]

sspark --

Thank you so much. I couldn't agree with you more. Early intervention

is critical, as is continuing intervention. Our kids will make progress

and learn coping skills. All of ours and their hard work has a

tremendous affect on their future. I've never met a kid that has

recovered or been cured. I'm not saying that people don't, just that I

haven't met any. I have however, meet hundreds of kids, parents,

teachers, and adults who have benefited tremendously from all kinds of

different therapies, interventions, education, medication, etc. I hate

that many parents feel guilty about their child's autism -- either that

they caused it or that if they were better parents their kids would be

better or that they're not doing/can't afford every last thing out there

to try. As we all know, we carry a lot of guilt, even if it's not

deserved. People who promise a cure for every or most autistic

children, even if they're well meaning, add a big burden to already

stressed out parents. Sure, pass out the info on what helped your

child, it may help thousands of kids out there. But please don't say

it's going to cure the majority of kids.

-- Cassie

megansspark wrote:

> I enjoy lurking and reading here.

>

> Just have to say--

>

> I cringe every time I see an article with the combination of M

> and autism.

>

> I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and educate others, but

> she needs a lot more background experience with all levels of autism--

> not just her story. She needs to visit facilities and group homes

> where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the full scope before

> declaring herself spokesperson.

>

> And I also get tired of the 'early intervention' people screaming that

> if every autistic child was caught early enough they could be cured.

>

> I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion and have gone

> through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes built up and crashed

> with this approach and that. Time has been the only thing that has

> brought improvements. My child will be an autistic adult. I accept

> that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

>

> Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be the best they can.

> But we need to accept that our own will to change a situation is not

> realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we accept. That is

> our gift to our children.

>

>

[Guest guest]

sspark --

Thank you so much. I couldn't agree with you more. Early intervention

is critical, as is continuing intervention. Our kids will make progress

and learn coping skills. All of ours and their hard work has a

tremendous affect on their future. I've never met a kid that has

recovered or been cured. I'm not saying that people don't, just that I

haven't met any. I have however, meet hundreds of kids, parents,

teachers, and adults who have benefited tremendously from all kinds of

different therapies, interventions, education, medication, etc. I hate

that many parents feel guilty about their child's autism -- either that

they caused it or that if they were better parents their kids would be

better or that they're not doing/can't afford every last thing out there

to try. As we all know, we carry a lot of guilt, even if it's not

deserved. People who promise a cure for every or most autistic

children, even if they're well meaning, add a big burden to already

stressed out parents. Sure, pass out the info on what helped your

child, it may help thousands of kids out there. But please don't say

it's going to cure the majority of kids.

-- Cassie

megansspark wrote:

> I enjoy lurking and reading here.

>

> Just have to say--

>

> I cringe every time I see an article with the combination of M

> and autism.

>

> I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and educate others, but

> she needs a lot more background experience with all levels of autism--

> not just her story. She needs to visit facilities and group homes

> where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the full scope before

> declaring herself spokesperson.

>

> And I also get tired of the 'early intervention' people screaming that

> if every autistic child was caught early enough they could be cured.

>

> I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion and have gone

> through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes built up and crashed

> with this approach and that. Time has been the only thing that has

> brought improvements. My child will be an autistic adult. I accept

> that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

>

> Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be the best they can.

> But we need to accept that our own will to change a situation is not

> realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we accept. That is

> our gift to our children.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's a new age idea having to do with ADHD and colors

of auras and " next stage in human evolution " and

disliking authority or something. I read a little bit

about it, said, " um. wow. " and decided it was not

something I could get behind.

I can't pretend to understand the concepts very much

but part of that is because each webpage contradicts

the next. Some say aliens, some say new breed of

humans. Skeptical pages say " parents who are against

discipline and treatment for ADHD " which seems most

likely...also the so called traits of an Indigo Child

fit about 90% of children!

Kassiane

--- kelly dawson wrote:

> I was just wondering what is an Indigo Child??? I

> had never heard that term used before

>

> megansspark wrote:

> I enjoy lurking and reading here.

>

> Just have to say--

>

> I cringe every time I see an article with the

> combination of M

> and autism.

>

> I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and

> educate others, but

> she needs a lot more background experience with all

> levels of autism--

> not just her story. She needs to visit facilities

> and group homes

> where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the

> full scope before

> declaring herself spokesperson.

>

> And I also get tired of the 'early intervention'

> people screaming that

> if every autistic child was caught early enough they

> could be cured.

>

> I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion

> and have gone

> through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes

> built up and crashed

> with this approach and that. Time has been the only

> thing that has

> brought improvements. My child will be an autistic

> adult. I accept

> that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

>

> Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be

> the best they can.

> But we need to accept that our own will to change a

> situation is not

> realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we

> accept. That is

> our gift to our children.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It's a new age idea having to do with ADHD and colors

of auras and " next stage in human evolution " and

disliking authority or something. I read a little bit

about it, said, " um. wow. " and decided it was not

something I could get behind.

I can't pretend to understand the concepts very much

but part of that is because each webpage contradicts

the next. Some say aliens, some say new breed of

humans. Skeptical pages say " parents who are against

discipline and treatment for ADHD " which seems most

likely...also the so called traits of an Indigo Child

fit about 90% of children!

Kassiane

--- kelly dawson wrote:

> I was just wondering what is an Indigo Child??? I

> had never heard that term used before

>

> megansspark wrote:

> I enjoy lurking and reading here.

>

> Just have to say--

>

> I cringe every time I see an article with the

> combination of M

> and autism.

>

> I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and

> educate others, but

> she needs a lot more background experience with all

> levels of autism--

> not just her story. She needs to visit facilities

> and group homes

> where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the

> full scope before

> declaring herself spokesperson.

>

> And I also get tired of the 'early intervention'

> people screaming that

> if every autistic child was caught early enough they

> could be cured.

>

> I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion

> and have gone

> through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes

> built up and crashed

> with this approach and that. Time has been the only

> thing that has

> brought improvements. My child will be an autistic

> adult. I accept

> that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

>

> Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be

> the best they can.

> But we need to accept that our own will to change a

> situation is not

> realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we

> accept. That is

> our gift to our children.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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> removed]

>

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[Guest guest]

I think it's a bunch of gobbeldy-goop myself. Like you said, Kassi,

any of these attributes can be found in any child if you look.

http://www.indigochild.com/

As a summary, here are the ten attributes that best describe this new

kind of child, the Indigo Child

* They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often

act like it)

* They have a feeling of " deserving to be here, " and are surprised

when others don't share that.

* Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents " who

they are. "

* They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without

explanation or choice).

* They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in

line is difficult for them.

* They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and

don't require creative thought.

* They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in

school, which makes them seem like " system busters " (nonconforming to

any system).

* They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If

there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn

inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often

extremely difficult for them socially.

* They will not respond to " guilt " discipline ( " Wait till your

father gets home and finds out what you did " ).

* They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

and... just in case you heard otherwise from other " indigo "

sources, the designated word " Indigo " has nothing to do with the color

of an aura! It is the result of scientific observations by a woman who

has the brain disorder called synesthesia.

[Guest guest]

I think it's a bunch of gobbeldy-goop myself. Like you said, Kassi,

any of these attributes can be found in any child if you look.

http://www.indigochild.com/

As a summary, here are the ten attributes that best describe this new

kind of child, the Indigo Child

* They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often

act like it)

* They have a feeling of " deserving to be here, " and are surprised

when others don't share that.

* Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents " who

they are. "

* They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without

explanation or choice).

* They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in

line is difficult for them.

* They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and

don't require creative thought.

* They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in

school, which makes them seem like " system busters " (nonconforming to

any system).

* They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If

there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn

inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often

extremely difficult for them socially.

* They will not respond to " guilt " discipline ( " Wait till your

father gets home and finds out what you did " ).

* They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

and... just in case you heard otherwise from other " indigo "

sources, the designated word " Indigo " has nothing to do with the color

of an aura! It is the result of scientific observations by a woman who

has the brain disorder called synesthesia.

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree with both of you . Even though to most people I meet I seem like I

have been cured from autism I still have really bad days were I display behavior

of classic autism. For this reason I don't feel like I been cured I feel like I

have been able to bend into the " normal world " but that I am still autisic. I

don't know if there really is a cure for autism, but I will keep both of you in

my prayers from no on just in case there is.

Caitlin

Cassie Zupke wrote:

sspark --

Thank you so much. I couldn't agree with you more. Early intervention

is critical, as is continuing intervention. Our kids will make progress

and learn coping skills. All of ours and their hard work has a

tremendous affect on their future. I've never met a kid that has

recovered or been cured. I'm not saying that people don't, just that I

haven't met any. I have however, meet hundreds of kids, parents,

teachers, and adults who have benefited tremendously from all kinds of

different therapies, interventions, education, medication, etc. I hate

that many parents feel guilty about their child's autism -- either that

they caused it or that if they were better parents their kids would be

better or that they're not doing/can't afford every last thing out there

to try. As we all know, we carry a lot of guilt, even if it's not

deserved. People who promise a cure for every or most autistic

children, even if they're well meaning, add a big burden to already

stressed out parents. Sure, pass out the info on what helped your

child, it may help thousands of kids out there. But please don't say

it's going to cure the majority of kids.

-- Cassie

megansspark wrote:

> I enjoy lurking and reading here.

>

> Just have to say--

>

> I cringe every time I see an article with the combination of M

> and autism.

>

> I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and educate others, but

> she needs a lot more background experience with all levels of autism--

> not just her story. She needs to visit facilities and group homes

> where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the full scope before

> declaring herself spokesperson.

>

> And I also get tired of the 'early intervention' people screaming that

> if every autistic child was caught early enough they could be cured.

>

> I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion and have gone

> through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes built up and crashed

> with this approach and that. Time has been the only thing that has

> brought improvements. My child will be an autistic adult. I accept

> that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

>

> Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be the best they can.

> But we need to accept that our own will to change a situation is not

> realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we accept. That is

> our gift to our children.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree with both of you . Even though to most people I meet I seem like I

have been cured from autism I still have really bad days were I display behavior

of classic autism. For this reason I don't feel like I been cured I feel like I

have been able to bend into the " normal world " but that I am still autisic. I

don't know if there really is a cure for autism, but I will keep both of you in

my prayers from no on just in case there is.

Caitlin

Cassie Zupke wrote:

sspark --

Thank you so much. I couldn't agree with you more. Early intervention

is critical, as is continuing intervention. Our kids will make progress

and learn coping skills. All of ours and their hard work has a

tremendous affect on their future. I've never met a kid that has

recovered or been cured. I'm not saying that people don't, just that I

haven't met any. I have however, meet hundreds of kids, parents,

teachers, and adults who have benefited tremendously from all kinds of

different therapies, interventions, education, medication, etc. I hate

that many parents feel guilty about their child's autism -- either that

they caused it or that if they were better parents their kids would be

better or that they're not doing/can't afford every last thing out there

to try. As we all know, we carry a lot of guilt, even if it's not

deserved. People who promise a cure for every or most autistic

children, even if they're well meaning, add a big burden to already

stressed out parents. Sure, pass out the info on what helped your

child, it may help thousands of kids out there. But please don't say

it's going to cure the majority of kids.

-- Cassie

megansspark wrote:

> I enjoy lurking and reading here.

>

> Just have to say--

>

> I cringe every time I see an article with the combination of M

> and autism.

>

> I appreciate her attempts to share her story, and educate others, but

> she needs a lot more background experience with all levels of autism--

> not just her story. She needs to visit facilities and group homes

> where autistic adults do live. She needs to see the full scope before

> declaring herself spokesperson.

>

> And I also get tired of the 'early intervention' people screaming that

> if every autistic child was caught early enough they could be cured.

>

> I worked with my child, to the point of exhaustion and have gone

> through therapist after therapist. Had my hopes built up and crashed

> with this approach and that. Time has been the only thing that has

> brought improvements. My child will be an autistic adult. I accept

> that. Its one part of who she is, not the sum total.

>

> Some people are disabled. We encourage them to be the best they can.

> But we need to accept that our own will to change a situation is not

> realistic in every instance. We love, we teach, we accept. That is

> our gift to our children.

>

>