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Personally, I think I would be finding another therapist fast. He doesn't

sound like he really understands OCD. I don't think OCD is ever a learned

behavior. I think it helps when we can remain calm in the middle of a

storm, but we don't cause the storm. We all have worries, etc. There is a

huge difference. I have always been a hand washer. Touch or play with the

dog, I would wash my hands. I've always done that, but there is a huge

difference in worrying constant that they might be contaminated, etc. or are

not clean enough. Like you say, the difference between worrying about the

things you must and worrying irrationally. My dd opens up to me, no one

else.

Beth in Houston

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Hi everyone! I do want to catch up on messages posted since it's been

awhile. I do have a quick question: This comment came from my son's

therapist. He claims that the anxiety/ocd is " a learned behavior " that he

is getting from BOTH PARENTS. Is this the wrong doctor for us? I don't know

but I can tell you that I was getting very agitated in his office because he

did not or could not explain this to me so that I would understand. I still

am trying to figure it out. Sure, lewe all have some sort of

stress/anxiety/worry call it what you want, in our lives but to feel as

though I have contributed to my son's behavior just " blew me away " I care, I

try to help, he opens up to me, not his dad and in fact has told me his dad

is the cause of his anxiety. Sorry to ramble on. What do you guys think? Oh

Yea, one more thing, there is a difference between constant worry and just

being careful or diligent in our everyday lives. EX: I unplug some

electrical appliances when I am not using them.(to save energy) is this an

obsession?

Take Care

Pam L.

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Your son's doctor doesn't know what he is talking about. OCD is not learned

behavior. If it were a " learned " behavior, it would be a lot easier to

" unlearn " ! Kelley in NV

learned behavior?

Hi everyone! I do want to catch up on messages posted since it's been awhile. I

do have a quick question: This comment came from my son's therapist. He claims

that the anxiety/ocd is " a learned behavior " that he is getting from BOTH

PARENTS. Is this the wrong doctor for us? I don't know but I can tell you that I

was getting very agitated in his office because he did not or could not explain

this to me so that I would understand. I still am trying to figure it out. Sure,

lewe all have some sort of stress/anxiety/worry call it what you want, in our

lives but to feel as though I have contributed to my son's behavior just " blew

me away " I care, I try to help, he opens up to me, not his dad and in fact has

told me his dad is the cause of his anxiety. Sorry to ramble on. What do you

guys think? Oh Yea, one more thing, there is a difference between constant worry

and just being careful or diligent in our everyday lives. EX: I unplug some

electrical appl iances when I am not using them.(to save energy) is this an

obsession?

Take Care

Pam L.

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OCD is neurobiological, not learned.

The very fact that it responds well to medication shows that it has a

neurobiological basis.

Abnormalities with the basal ganglia is known to be evident in those with OCD.

That is not something that is learned.

PET scans show that the brain activity in those with OCD, is different from

those without it.

I believe, from observing our own son, that OCD can be exacerbated by

environment though.

I've learned that I have to be careful not to call unnecessary, exaggerated

attention to certain situations that I know he is affected by. If I OVERreact

to something that his OCD is sensitive too, I've noticed his OCD can (but not

always) flare up, due to my hyper-concerns and reaction. On the other hand,

I've learned that the more I try to protect him from a situation, the more his

OCD grows too, so I've had to let him experience things too. It can be a fine

line.

For example while he was working on contamination issues with ERP, he picked up

something off of the floor and ate it. I could have chosen to react as I did in

the past, and stress to him that he should not eat it, drawing more attention to

his contamination concerns. . . Or I could recondition my thinking, telling

myself it would not kill him, and let him experience it without unintentionally

exacerbating the OCD.

We also try to keep stress levels down, trying not to sweat the small stuff.

Ongoing stress in our home just raises everything to a higher level of anxiety,

in general, for him, which can make his OCD flare.

So, I think there are things that can be done to help keep OCD more stable, just

as there are things to do (CBT/ERP or meds) to get it under control. But, OCD

cannot be learned. Anymore than a diabetic learns diabetes.

My two cents worth.

BJ

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> Hi everyone! I do want to catch up on messages posted since it's been awhile.

I do have a quick question: This comment came from my son's therapist. He claims

that the anxiety/ocd is " a learned behavior " that he is getting from BOTH

PARENTS. Is this the wrong doctor for us? I don't know but I can tell you that I

was getting very agitated in his office because he did not or could not explain

this to me so that I would understand. I still am trying to figure it out. Sure,

lewe all have some sort of stress/anxiety/worry call it what you want, in our

lives but to feel as though I have contributed to my son's behavior just " blew

me away " I care, I try to help, he opens up to me, not his dad and in fact has

told me his dad is the cause of his anxiety. Sorry to ramble on. What do you

guys think? Oh Yea, one more thing, there is a difference between constant worry

and just being careful or diligent in our everyday lives. EX: I unplug some

electrical appliances when I am not using them.(to save energy) is this an

obsession?

>

> Take Care

> Pam L.

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Hi Pam, I agree with what everyone else has written. Find another who

understands OCD.

The only scenarios I can think of that MAYbe he was referring to, and I'll use

your example of unplugging electrical appliances, are:

OCD can mess up ANYthing.

So, say, if your habit of unplugging has your son obsessing over making sure

things are unplugged, anxious to make sure, etc. (this isn't a learned

behavior, it's something normal that OCD has grabbed on to)

Or, your son has ever forgotten to unplug something, you notice, unplug it,

casually comment to him to remember to unplug when not in use. He's a kid who

likes to please mom, maybe is anxious you're upset with him (you're not, but you

know how kids can be), anxious to make sure you don't get upset (which you

weren't but they take any comment wrong way) -- so is now always anxious, OCDing

about applicances being unplugged. (again, not a learned behavior, this is OCD,

or just an anxious kid)

My mom was more the OCPD (obsessive-compulsive personality disorder) type. HAD

to have things done her way, the right way. Like folding towels and sheets.

(To this day I cannot fold a bottom sheet.) She used to go over & over with me

how to fold the sheets and towels, the way she wanted them folded. And when

she'd tell me to go down and take out the sheets or towels to fold, yeah, I got

a little anxous about it whenever she told me to do this, knowing how

" particular " she was and not wanting her to say it wasn't perfect, redo, or

she'd redo or something. --- That's about the only other scenario I can think

of, but it's not OCD related, that's just anxiousness related to pleasing mom.

(Just to note, I fold these things MY way now, LOL, not her's)

Again, I agree with the others' comments. Just thinking about what the heck he

might have meant?

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> Hi everyone! I do want to catch up on messages posted since it's been awhile.

I do have a quick question: This comment came from my son's therapist. He claims

that the anxiety/ocd is " a learned behavior " that he is getting from BOTH

PARENTS. Is this the wrong doctor for us? I don't know but I can tell you that I

was getting very agitated in his office because he did not or could not explain

this to me so that I would understand. I still am trying to figure it out. Sure,

lewe all have some sort of stress/anxiety/worry call it

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