Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I'm wondering if it might be a burning/temp thing. Sometimes some diaper wipes can be irritating to the skin. Allie used to cry when they were cold. There are diaper wipe warmers that will keep them warm, or you could run it under warm water just before putting it on her. You could also try different textures, like maybe a washcloth instead of a wipe, or wipe instead of a washcloth. Do you think she might have a vaginal infection or oxalates issue causing her vulvar pain? Does it seem to bother her more around her anus or vulva? Sometimes there may be a specific region that is extra sensitive. As to being mean to little brother... <sigh> I know that's a toughy. Just remember, nonverbal does not equate to not understanding, even if she doesn't show it. My suggestion is to figure out what she's getting from it. Does she push him after she's been made to do a non-preferred activity? Is he getting into something of her's that makes her want to retaliate? Does she like to hear him cry? What is your reaction to the behaviors? There's something called a functional behavior assessment. For the most part it's getting a notebook, writing the time when she hurt little brother, what happened just before she did it, exactly what she did, and what your reaction was. It sounds elementary, but it can REALLY HELP you find the exact triggers. From there, you can better figure out how to change the behavior. Some of it could be also that she doesn't understand how to play. It might take some specific modeling of how you want her to treat him for her to understand what you are expecting. You could use a token board for her to start her out being nice. If 10-15 minutes goes by without her hurting him, praise her like crazy & hand-over-hand her putting a token on her board for one of her favorite things, could be a movie, food, or special toy. Every 10-15 minutes praise her & do it again, might need to give preferred item every time at first, then she has to earn 2 tokens to get it, then 3, then you can spread out the time to 15 min, then 20 min, etc. Also, consider what you may be saying. If she ever hears you or the family talking about things, like how glad you are he isn't showing signs of autism, etc, she might be resentful, might feel you love him more than her. I know I've been guilty of it, not accusing you, just throwing out thoughts. My philosophy has been to always assume they understand everything you are saying, because they probably are. She needs to know you love her just as much and are happy with her, even if you're trying to make her better. HTH, Debi > > I have a 3 year old daughter who, ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND to be touched > wiped or otherwise " down there " and I don't know how to keep her clean with > out getting her so upset because I have to clean her up down there.. she is > still in diapers.. does anyone have an advice on this subject? > > > > And I have a 1 year old normal developing son.. that she is EVIL too, she > will push him into the coffee table.. throw stuff at him.. push him down. > does anyone know how to curb this behavior? > > > > She is non verbal.. with limited understanding.. and a VERY VERY VERY BIG > JEALOUS BONE! > > > > Thanks for you help.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I'm wondering if it might be a burning/temp thing. Sometimes some diaper wipes can be irritating to the skin. Allie used to cry when they were cold. There are diaper wipe warmers that will keep them warm, or you could run it under warm water just before putting it on her. You could also try different textures, like maybe a washcloth instead of a wipe, or wipe instead of a washcloth. Do you think she might have a vaginal infection or oxalates issue causing her vulvar pain? Does it seem to bother her more around her anus or vulva? Sometimes there may be a specific region that is extra sensitive. As to being mean to little brother... <sigh> I know that's a toughy. Just remember, nonverbal does not equate to not understanding, even if she doesn't show it. My suggestion is to figure out what she's getting from it. Does she push him after she's been made to do a non-preferred activity? Is he getting into something of her's that makes her want to retaliate? Does she like to hear him cry? What is your reaction to the behaviors? There's something called a functional behavior assessment. For the most part it's getting a notebook, writing the time when she hurt little brother, what happened just before she did it, exactly what she did, and what your reaction was. It sounds elementary, but it can REALLY HELP you find the exact triggers. From there, you can better figure out how to change the behavior. Some of it could be also that she doesn't understand how to play. It might take some specific modeling of how you want her to treat him for her to understand what you are expecting. You could use a token board for her to start her out being nice. If 10-15 minutes goes by without her hurting him, praise her like crazy & hand-over-hand her putting a token on her board for one of her favorite things, could be a movie, food, or special toy. Every 10-15 minutes praise her & do it again, might need to give preferred item every time at first, then she has to earn 2 tokens to get it, then 3, then you can spread out the time to 15 min, then 20 min, etc. Also, consider what you may be saying. If she ever hears you or the family talking about things, like how glad you are he isn't showing signs of autism, etc, she might be resentful, might feel you love him more than her. I know I've been guilty of it, not accusing you, just throwing out thoughts. My philosophy has been to always assume they understand everything you are saying, because they probably are. She needs to know you love her just as much and are happy with her, even if you're trying to make her better. HTH, Debi > > I have a 3 year old daughter who, ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND to be touched > wiped or otherwise " down there " and I don't know how to keep her clean with > out getting her so upset because I have to clean her up down there.. she is > still in diapers.. does anyone have an advice on this subject? > > > > And I have a 1 year old normal developing son.. that she is EVIL too, she > will push him into the coffee table.. throw stuff at him.. push him down. > does anyone know how to curb this behavior? > > > > She is non verbal.. with limited understanding.. and a VERY VERY VERY BIG > JEALOUS BONE! > > > > Thanks for you help.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Debi gave you great advice...only other thing I can think of is for the wiping...what about a spray bottle? That might be a little less bothersome, and make any wiping up quicker and easier. She might even like it. Good luck! Amnesty > > > > I have a 3 year old daughter who, ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND to be touched > > wiped or otherwise " down there " and I don't know how to keep her > clean with > > out getting her so upset because I have to clean her up down there.. > she is > > still in diapers.. does anyone have an advice on this subject? > > > > > > > > And I have a 1 year old normal developing son.. that she is EVIL > too, she > > will push him into the coffee table.. throw stuff at him.. push him > down. > > does anyone know how to curb this behavior? > > > > > > > > She is non verbal.. with limited understanding.. and a VERY VERY > VERY BIG > > JEALOUS BONE! > > > > > > > > Thanks for you help.. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Debi gave you great advice...only other thing I can think of is for the wiping...what about a spray bottle? That might be a little less bothersome, and make any wiping up quicker and easier. She might even like it. Good luck! Amnesty > > > > I have a 3 year old daughter who, ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND to be touched > > wiped or otherwise " down there " and I don't know how to keep her > clean with > > out getting her so upset because I have to clean her up down there.. > she is > > still in diapers.. does anyone have an advice on this subject? > > > > > > > > And I have a 1 year old normal developing son.. that she is EVIL > too, she > > will push him into the coffee table.. throw stuff at him.. push him > down. > > does anyone know how to curb this behavior? > > > > > > > > She is non verbal.. with limited understanding.. and a VERY VERY > VERY BIG > > JEALOUS BONE! > > > > > > > > Thanks for you help.. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 I had the same thing happen with my " typical daughter " . We constantly questioned our pediatrician about it wondering if something were happening while her nanny was changing her. We also were concerned about fighting with her to clean and she later in life having weird memories. AHHH...first time parent worries!!! Anyway, our pediatrician reassured us that it is very normal and she later developed labial adhesion which went away with estrogen cream application. When she developed this the pediatrician said that was typical of little girls who fought diaper changes when younger. I know this doesn't help with how to calm her but I thought I would share my experience. Do you have an ABA therapist? I find that any " fight " we have with our daughter, our therapist usually can help us put a program in place to work through it. Good Luck! Deanna Question about Wiping girls while still in diapers... >I have a 3 year old daughter who, ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND to be touched > wiped or otherwise " down there " and I don't know how to keep her clean > with > out getting her so upset because I have to clean her up down there.. she > is > still in diapers.. does anyone have an advice on this subject? > > > > And I have a 1 year old normal developing son.. that she is EVIL too, she > will push him into the coffee table.. throw stuff at him.. push him down. > does anyone know how to curb this behavior? > > > > She is non verbal.. with limited understanding.. and a VERY VERY VERY BIG > JEALOUS BONE! > > > > Thanks for you help.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 I had the same thing happen with my " typical daughter " . We constantly questioned our pediatrician about it wondering if something were happening while her nanny was changing her. We also were concerned about fighting with her to clean and she later in life having weird memories. AHHH...first time parent worries!!! Anyway, our pediatrician reassured us that it is very normal and she later developed labial adhesion which went away with estrogen cream application. When she developed this the pediatrician said that was typical of little girls who fought diaper changes when younger. I know this doesn't help with how to calm her but I thought I would share my experience. Do you have an ABA therapist? I find that any " fight " we have with our daughter, our therapist usually can help us put a program in place to work through it. Good Luck! Deanna Question about Wiping girls while still in diapers... >I have a 3 year old daughter who, ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND to be touched > wiped or otherwise " down there " and I don't know how to keep her clean > with > out getting her so upset because I have to clean her up down there.. she > is > still in diapers.. does anyone have an advice on this subject? > > > > And I have a 1 year old normal developing son.. that she is EVIL too, she > will push him into the coffee table.. throw stuff at him.. push him down. > does anyone know how to curb this behavior? > > > > She is non verbal.. with limited understanding.. and a VERY VERY VERY BIG > JEALOUS BONE! > > > > Thanks for you help.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Allie had a labial adhesion from 8 wks old. You're lucky the cream corrected it, her's has always returned when we stop using it, and it burned her so much it seemed to create fear of diaper changes. <sigh> At nearly 8 yrs old it's still an issue. Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Allie had a labial adhesion from 8 wks old. You're lucky the cream corrected it, her's has always returned when we stop using it, and it burned her so much it seemed to create fear of diaper changes. <sigh> At nearly 8 yrs old it's still an issue. Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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