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Rebekah,

Have you ever had her tested for vitamin D deficiency? Since she

spends a lot of time indoors she likely needs supplementation,

especially if you live above latitude 40 (do you?), when it is only

possible to make vitamin D from the sun from May to September. Muscle

weakness and fatigue are common in vitamin D deficiency and autistic

kids are especially prone. Something to think about...

Take care,

P.S. My daughter had incredibly low tone (also crawled and walked

very late), especially in her core, and since getting adequate

vitamin D and protein, and doing a fitness gymnastics program, she is

a walking hard-bodied muscle girl! :-)

> My daughter also has low muscle tone and didn't walk

> till she was 18months old. She is much better now (6)

> but her abs are still weak. It looks like a budda

> belly. She seems to tire easily and would rather stay

> inside and draw than run around. Once some extra

> money comes in I am thinking of putting her in dance

> or gymnastics. Hopefully that will help some.

> Rebekah

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Rebekah,

Have you ever had her tested for vitamin D deficiency? Since she

spends a lot of time indoors she likely needs supplementation,

especially if you live above latitude 40 (do you?), when it is only

possible to make vitamin D from the sun from May to September. Muscle

weakness and fatigue are common in vitamin D deficiency and autistic

kids are especially prone. Something to think about...

Take care,

P.S. My daughter had incredibly low tone (also crawled and walked

very late), especially in her core, and since getting adequate

vitamin D and protein, and doing a fitness gymnastics program, she is

a walking hard-bodied muscle girl! :-)

> My daughter also has low muscle tone and didn't walk

> till she was 18months old. She is much better now (6)

> but her abs are still weak. It looks like a budda

> belly. She seems to tire easily and would rather stay

> inside and draw than run around. Once some extra

> money comes in I am thinking of putting her in dance

> or gymnastics. Hopefully that will help some.

> Rebekah

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That is something to think about. I don't know about

the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

California I don't think that might be too much of a

problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her tested

for a multiple of things. Anything else I should look

for?

Thank you!

Rebekah

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> Rebekah,

>

> Have you ever had her tested for vitamin D

> deficiency? Since she

> spends a lot of time indoors she likely needs

> supplementation,

> especially if you live above latitude 40 (do you?),

> when it is only

> possible to make vitamin D from the sun from May to

> September. Muscle

> weakness and fatigue are common in vitamin D

> deficiency and autistic

> kids are especially prone. Something to think

> about...

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

> P.S. My daughter had incredibly low tone (also

> crawled and walked

> very late), especially in her core, and since

> getting adequate

> vitamin D and protein, and doing a fitness

> gymnastics program, she is

> a walking hard-bodied muscle girl! :-)

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Albrecht Rebekah

> wrote:

>

> > My daughter also has low muscle tone and didn't

> walk

> > till she was 18months old. She is much better now

> (6)

> > but her abs are still weak. It looks like a budda

> > belly. She seems to tire easily and would rather

> stay

> > inside and draw than run around. Once some extra

> > money comes in I am thinking of putting her in

> dance

> > or gymnastics. Hopefully that will help some.

> > Rebekah

>

>

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That is something to think about. I don't know about

the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

California I don't think that might be too much of a

problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her tested

for a multiple of things. Anything else I should look

for?

Thank you!

Rebekah

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> Rebekah,

>

> Have you ever had her tested for vitamin D

> deficiency? Since she

> spends a lot of time indoors she likely needs

> supplementation,

> especially if you live above latitude 40 (do you?),

> when it is only

> possible to make vitamin D from the sun from May to

> September. Muscle

> weakness and fatigue are common in vitamin D

> deficiency and autistic

> kids are especially prone. Something to think

> about...

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

> P.S. My daughter had incredibly low tone (also

> crawled and walked

> very late), especially in her core, and since

> getting adequate

> vitamin D and protein, and doing a fitness

> gymnastics program, she is

> a walking hard-bodied muscle girl! :-)

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Albrecht Rebekah

> wrote:

>

> > My daughter also has low muscle tone and didn't

> walk

> > till she was 18months old. She is much better now

> (6)

> > but her abs are still weak. It looks like a budda

> > belly. She seems to tire easily and would rather

> stay

> > inside and draw than run around. Once some extra

> > money comes in I am thinking of putting her in

> dance

> > or gymnastics. Hopefully that will help some.

> > Rebekah

>

>

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I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

> That is something to think about. I don't know about

> the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

> California I don't think that might be too much of a

> problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

> looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her tested

> for a multiple of things. Anything else I should look

> for?

>

> Thank you!

> Rebekah

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I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

> That is something to think about. I don't know about

> the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

> California I don't think that might be too much of a

> problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

> looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her tested

> for a multiple of things. Anything else I should look

> for?

>

> Thank you!

> Rebekah

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WOW! That is a lot I have never thought of. The only

DAN doctor in Temecula doesn't take insurance so we

are waiting till we have the $650 for the initial

conult. It should be soon. Is it that much in your

area too? We are in Temecula.

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're

> well below latitude

> 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the

> same. Your DAN!

> should perform a battery of tests and as long as you

> are as specific

> as possible about all your concerns, you should have

> all the bases

> covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid

> test (including

> free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical,

> is also rampant

> in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you

> describe.

>

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Albrecht Rebekah

> wrote:

>

> > That is something to think about. I don't know

> about

> > the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

> > California I don't think that might be too much of

> a

> > problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

> > looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her

> tested

> > for a multiple of things. Anything else I should

> look

> > for?

> >

> > Thank you!

> > Rebekah

>

>

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WOW! That is a lot I have never thought of. The only

DAN doctor in Temecula doesn't take insurance so we

are waiting till we have the $650 for the initial

conult. It should be soon. Is it that much in your

area too? We are in Temecula.

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're

> well below latitude

> 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the

> same. Your DAN!

> should perform a battery of tests and as long as you

> are as specific

> as possible about all your concerns, you should have

> all the bases

> covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid

> test (including

> free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical,

> is also rampant

> in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you

> describe.

>

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Albrecht Rebekah

> wrote:

>

> > That is something to think about. I don't know

> about

> > the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

> > California I don't think that might be too much of

> a

> > problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

> > looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her

> tested

> > for a multiple of things. Anything else I should

> look

> > for?

> >

> > Thank you!

> > Rebekah

>

>

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Yeah, it's very expensive here too. That doc in Temecula is

wonderful, though, so worth it if you can save up!

> WOW! That is a lot I have never thought of. The only

> DAN doctor in Temecula doesn't take insurance so we

> are waiting till we have the $650 for the initial

> conult. It should be soon. Is it that much in your

> area too? We are in Temecula.

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Yeah, it's very expensive here too. That doc in Temecula is

wonderful, though, so worth it if you can save up!

> WOW! That is a lot I have never thought of. The only

> DAN doctor in Temecula doesn't take insurance so we

> are waiting till we have the $650 for the initial

> conult. It should be soon. Is it that much in your

> area too? We are in Temecula.

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More important even that free T3 is the TSH.

Re: New here/Rebekah

I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

> That is something to think about. I don't know about

> the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

> California I don't think that might be too much of a

> problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

> looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her tested

> for a multiple of things. Anything else I should look

> for?

>

> Thank you!

> Rebekah

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More important even that free T3 is the TSH.

Re: New here/Rebekah

I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

> That is something to think about. I don't know about

> the latitude 40, but since we live in southern

> California I don't think that might be too much of a

> problem but it still is worth checking out. I am

> looking for a DAN doctor right now to get her tested

> for a multiple of things. Anything else I should look

> for?

>

> Thank you!

> Rebekah

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The problem with with relying on TSH, which is the traditional means

of diagnosing hypothyroidism, is that the reference range for

" normal " is far too high, making the typical TSH test far too

insensitive to really detect what is going on. For most labs, the

normal reference range is 4.0 to 4.5, which is ridiculously high, so

the majority of people with hypothyroidism will not be diagnosed ,and

they will continue to have classic hypothyroid symptoms and look

elsewhere for the problem because they were told that their thyroid

function is normal when it is not. The truth is if TSH is above 2.0

then the thyroid is probably not working properly, but you will hear

very few doctors telling you this. Free T3 and Free T4 levels are the

only accurate measure of the actual active thyroid hormone levels in

the blood. It is very common to find free T3 and T4 levels below

normal, even when TSH is in the normal range, even at the low end of

normal. Additionally, TSH is only valuable for diagnosing primary

hypothyroidism, not secondary or tertiary hypothyroidism, which

afflicts many people. Even people who have TSH below 1.5 can have

depressed free T3, and their symptoms improve greatly with treatment.

On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:29 PM, The Jueschkes wrote

> More important even that free T3 is the TSH.

> Re: New here/Rebekah

>

>

> I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

> 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

> should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

> as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

> covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

> free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

> in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

>

>

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The problem with with relying on TSH, which is the traditional means

of diagnosing hypothyroidism, is that the reference range for

" normal " is far too high, making the typical TSH test far too

insensitive to really detect what is going on. For most labs, the

normal reference range is 4.0 to 4.5, which is ridiculously high, so

the majority of people with hypothyroidism will not be diagnosed ,and

they will continue to have classic hypothyroid symptoms and look

elsewhere for the problem because they were told that their thyroid

function is normal when it is not. The truth is if TSH is above 2.0

then the thyroid is probably not working properly, but you will hear

very few doctors telling you this. Free T3 and Free T4 levels are the

only accurate measure of the actual active thyroid hormone levels in

the blood. It is very common to find free T3 and T4 levels below

normal, even when TSH is in the normal range, even at the low end of

normal. Additionally, TSH is only valuable for diagnosing primary

hypothyroidism, not secondary or tertiary hypothyroidism, which

afflicts many people. Even people who have TSH below 1.5 can have

depressed free T3, and their symptoms improve greatly with treatment.

On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:29 PM, The Jueschkes wrote

> More important even that free T3 is the TSH.

> Re: New here/Rebekah

>

>

> I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

> 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

> should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

> as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

> covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

> free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

> in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

>

>

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I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a number of years even though I

had normal readings for TSH. I finally got a small goiter and had most of the

symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat it because of the normal levels. I

finally found a physician that is an MD but leans towards naturopathic medicine.

She went by my symptoms combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal " unless my

T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

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>

>

> I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

> 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

> should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

> as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

> covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

> free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

> in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

>

>

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I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a number of years even though I

had normal readings for TSH. I finally got a small goiter and had most of the

symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat it because of the normal levels. I

finally found a physician that is an MD but leans towards naturopathic medicine.

She went by my symptoms combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal " unless my

T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

Re: New here/Rebekah

>

>

> I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're well below latitude

> 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just the same. Your DAN!

> should perform a battery of tests and as long as you are as specific

> as possible about all your concerns, you should have all the bases

> covered. Also make sure you have a thorough thyroid test (including

> free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes subclinical, is also rampant

> in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms you describe.

>

>

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That's why I have an MD/Homeopath. Most purist mainstream M.D.s are

just clueless, sorry to say...

> I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a number of years

> even though I had normal readings for TSH. I finally got a small

> goiter and had most of the symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat

> it because of the normal levels. I finally found a physician that

> is an MD but leans towards naturopathic medicine. She went by my

> symptoms combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal " unless my

> T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

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That's why I have an MD/Homeopath. Most purist mainstream M.D.s are

just clueless, sorry to say...

> I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a number of years

> even though I had normal readings for TSH. I finally got a small

> goiter and had most of the symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat

> it because of the normal levels. I finally found a physician that

> is an MD but leans towards naturopathic medicine. She went by my

> symptoms combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal " unless my

> T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

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Mine has been a true life saver to me! Gwen

Re: New here/Rebekah

That's why I have an MD/Homeopath. Most purist mainstream M.D.s are

just clueless, sorry to say...

> I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a number of years

> even though I had normal readings for TSH. I finally got a small

> goiter and had most of the symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat

> it because of the normal levels. I finally found a physician that

> is an MD but leans towards naturopathic medicine. She went by my

> symptoms combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal " unless my

> T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

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Mine has been a true life saver to me! Gwen

Re: New here/Rebekah

That's why I have an MD/Homeopath. Most purist mainstream M.D.s are

just clueless, sorry to say...

> I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a number of years

> even though I had normal readings for TSH. I finally got a small

> goiter and had most of the symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat

> it because of the normal levels. I finally found a physician that

> is an MD but leans towards naturopathic medicine. She went by my

> symptoms combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal " unless my

> T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

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What do you mean by T3 and T4. I am confused. All

this is new to me. What are the symptoms of

Hypothyroidism?

Rebekah

--- Gwen Moyers wrote:

> I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a

> number of years even though I had normal readings

> for TSH. I finally got a small goiter and had most

> of the symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat it

> because of the normal levels. I finally found a

> physician that is an MD but leans towards

> naturopathic medicine. She went by my symptoms

> combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal "

> unless my T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

> Re: New here/Rebekah

> >

> >

> > I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're

> well below latitude

> > 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just

> the same. Your DAN!

> > should perform a battery of tests and as long as

> you are as specific

> > as possible about all your concerns, you should

> have all the bases

> > covered. Also make sure you have a thorough

> thyroid test (including

> > free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes

> subclinical, is also rampant

> > in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms

> you describe.

> >

> >

>

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>

>

>

>

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What do you mean by T3 and T4. I am confused. All

this is new to me. What are the symptoms of

Hypothyroidism?

Rebekah

--- Gwen Moyers wrote:

> I agree :) I had undiagnosed Hypothyroidism for a

> number of years even though I had normal readings

> for TSH. I finally got a small goiter and had most

> of the symptoms, but my doctor refused to treat it

> because of the normal levels. I finally found a

> physician that is an MD but leans towards

> naturopathic medicine. She went by my symptoms

> combined with lab work. I don't feel " normal "

> unless my T3 and T4 runs high?? Gwen

> Re: New here/Rebekah

> >

> >

> > I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're

> well below latitude

> > 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just

> the same. Your DAN!

> > should perform a battery of tests and as long as

> you are as specific

> > as possible about all your concerns, you should

> have all the bases

> > covered. Also make sure you have a thorough

> thyroid test (including

> > free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes

> subclinical, is also rampant

> > in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms

> you describe.

> >

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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Great! Thank you. That is encouraging. We should be

able to do it in about a month. Normally it wouldn't

be a problem but my Husband was out of work for six

months. It all worked out for the best because now we

have a PPO which will make life much easier for

Serena.

Rebekah

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> Yeah, it's very expensive here too. That doc in

> Temecula is

> wonderful, though, so worth it if you can save up!

>

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Albrecht Rebekah

> wrote:

>

> > WOW! That is a lot I have never thought of. The

> only

> > DAN doctor in Temecula doesn't take insurance so

> we

> > are waiting till we have the $650 for the initial

> > conult. It should be soon. Is it that much in

> your

> > area too? We are in Temecula.

>

>

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Great! Thank you. That is encouraging. We should be

able to do it in about a month. Normally it wouldn't

be a problem but my Husband was out of work for six

months. It all worked out for the best because now we

have a PPO which will make life much easier for

Serena.

Rebekah

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> Yeah, it's very expensive here too. That doc in

> Temecula is

> wonderful, though, so worth it if you can save up!

>

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Albrecht Rebekah

> wrote:

>

> > WOW! That is a lot I have never thought of. The

> only

> > DAN doctor in Temecula doesn't take insurance so

> we

> > are waiting till we have the $650 for the initial

> > conult. It should be soon. Is it that much in

> your

> > area too? We are in Temecula.

>

>

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Oh my goodness! I just looked up the symptoms since I

have been not feeling " right " for some time. I have

almost every one! This is crazy! I have had my

symptoms tested before. IT was on the low side but

since it was in the " normal " range they said I was

fine. sheesh! too

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> The problem with with relying on TSH, which is the

> traditional means

> of diagnosing hypothyroidism, is that the reference

> range for

> " normal " is far too high, making the typical TSH

> test far too

> insensitive to really detect what is going on. For

> most labs, the

> normal reference range is 4.0 to 4.5, which is

> ridiculously high, so

> the majority of people with hypothyroidism will not

> be diagnosed ,and

> they will continue to have classic hypothyroid

> symptoms and look

> elsewhere for the problem because they were told

> that their thyroid

> function is normal when it is not. The truth is if

> TSH is above 2.0

> then the thyroid is probably not working properly,

> but you will hear

> very few doctors telling you this. Free T3 and Free

> T4 levels are the

> only accurate measure of the actual active thyroid

> hormone levels in

> the blood. It is very common to find free T3 and T4

> levels below

> normal, even when TSH is in the normal range, even

> at the low end of

> normal. Additionally, TSH is only valuable for

> diagnosing primary

> hypothyroidism, not secondary or tertiary

> hypothyroidism, which

> afflicts many people. Even people who have TSH below

> 1.5 can have

> depressed free T3, and their symptoms improve

> greatly with treatment.

>

>

>

> On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:29 PM, The Jueschkes wrote

>

> > More important even that free T3 is the TSH.

>

> > Re: New here/Rebekah

> >

> >

> > I'm in So. Cal. too.... Ventura County, so we're

> well below latitude

> > 40 :-) I'd still check into the vitamin D just

> the same. Your DAN!

> > should perform a battery of tests and as long as

> you are as specific

> > as possible about all your concerns, you should

> have all the bases

> > covered. Also make sure you have a thorough

> thyroid test (including

> > free T3), as hypothyroidism, sometimes

> subclinical, is also rampant

> > in our kids and can lead to many of the symptoms

> you describe.

> >

> >

>

>

>

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>

>

Rebekah Phil 4:8 & #10084;

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