Bacteria native to raw milk?

[Guest guest]

I've been having trouble finding a source that explains which good

bacteria are native to raw milk. I realize it probably varies from

cow to goat milk, even among different cows I would imagine, but I'd

just like a basic idea of what is in there.

As I alluded to in my intro, I believe my health situation is being

caused by digestive problems, from extended antibiotic use and intense

stress which occurred right before the illness started. Leaky gut,

dysbiosis, candida or other overgrowth of bad bacteria, poor

digestion, etc.

That said, I have had problems with almost every supplement I've ever

tried and with many foods. My diet became VERY limited over the

years. The raw dairy after a few weeks has been causing some

problems.

The raw (cow) milk itself, if I drink enough of it, causes pretty bad

brainfog, but also gives me some energy. But I've also been

clabbering some raw milk, and that gives me a very strong reaction.

If I drink maybe 5-10oz of it, after an hour or so, I am tired and

just don't feel well.

I made some kefir with the raw milk, using the Body Ecology starter,

and had the same reaction. I'm wondering if the beneficial bacteria

that are natively in the raw milk are more potent than a freeze dried,

or other culture that would be added (for kefir, yogurt, etc.) That

would seem to make a lot of sense to me, but I'm not sure.

I'm guessing the reaction to the milk is from the sugar in it, and

candida or whatever are feeding off of that. The reaction to the

clabbered milk would SEEM to be a positive one, since the regular raw

milk doesnt have that effect - the proliferation of the good bacteria

and enzymes, etc, in the clabbered milk must be fighting the bad

bacteria in my system?

I was going to try heating some raw milk, and then making kefir with

the starter, and see how I do with that. That would at least prove

that the native good bacteria in the raw milk are causing the causing

the reaction, through the cleansing and everything they're doing once

in my body.

I know this group isn't really geared toward this kind of thing, but

there are some people in here that have been where I'm at, and I'm

hoping I can get some questions answered along the way.

Thanks a lot.

Dan Baker

[Guest guest]

It

sounds like the Kefir and raw milk is doing it’s job and you are

suffering from die off. I lived with Candida for years and I know what your

saying. I have heard fermented foods can be hard to digest but I never had an

issued with those.

I've been having trouble finding a source that explains which good

bacteria are native to raw milk. I realize it probably varies from

cow to goat milk, even among different cows I would imagine, but I'd

just like a basic idea of what is in there.

[Guest guest]

You may want to try goatmilk. Many people who have difficulties with raw cow do well on raw goat milk. Try researching kefir and finding the actual kefir grains. Many people have them and will send you some for the postage. Start with cultured goat milk (yogurt and Kefir) and build your body up to small amounts of plain raw goat. We run a goat share in alaska and have had people with similar experience to yours.

Rhonda

Cranberry Ridge Farm

Bacteria native to raw milk?

I've been having trouble finding a source that explains which goodbacteria are native to raw milk. I realize it probably varies fromcow to goat milk, even among different cows I would imagine, but I'djust like a basic idea of what is in there.As I alluded to in my intro, I believe my health situation is beingcaused by digestive problems, from extended antibiotic use and intensestress which occurred right before the illness started. Leaky gut,dysbiosis, candida or other overgrowth of bad bacteria, poordigestion, etc. That said, I have had problems with almost every supplement I've evertried and with many foods. My diet became VERY limited over theyears. The raw dairy after a few weeks has been causing someproblems. The raw (cow) milk itself, if I drink enough of it, causes pretty badbrainfog, but also gives me some energy. But I've also beenclabbering some raw milk, and that gives me a very strong reaction. If I drink maybe 5-10oz of it, after an hour or so, I am tired andjust don't feel well.I made some kefir with the raw milk, using the Body Ecology starter,and had the same reaction. I'm wondering if the beneficial bacteriathat are natively in the raw milk are more potent than a freeze dried,or other culture that would be added (for kefir, yogurt, etc.) Thatwould seem to make a lot of sense to me, but I'm not sure.I'm guessing the reaction to the milk is from the sugar in it, andcandida or whatever are feeding off of that. The reaction to theclabbered milk would SEEM to be a positive one, since the regular rawmilk doesnt have that effect - the proliferation of the good bacteriaand enzymes, etc, in the clabbered milk must be fighting the badbacteria in my system?I was going to try heating some raw milk, and then making kefir withthe starter, and see how I do with that. That would at least provethat the native good bacteria in the raw milk are causing the causingthe reaction, through the cleansing and everything they're doing oncein my body.I know this group isn't really geared toward this kind of thing, butthere are some people in here that have been where I'm at, and I'mhoping I can get some questions answered along the way.Thanks a lot.Dan Baker

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Thank you, both Rhonda and . I will try the raw goat milk

and real kefir grains as soon as I can get a hold of them. Hopefully

I can get the goat milk from the same farm.

I reread my original post, and it was kinda confusing - just to

clarify, the clabbered milk which I made by just leaving the raw milk

out for about 24 hrs in a sealed glass container, gave me the same

reaction as the raw milk kefir I made with the powdered starter. The

kefir tasted and smelled much different, but both reactions were

equally strong, leading me to wonder if the good bacteria already in

the milk were the cause. Heating the milk and then making a batch of

kefir - even if it caused less of a reaction initially, defeats the

purpose of the RAW milk, which is the whole idea here.

Thanks again!

Dan

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> You may want to try goatmilk. Many people who have difficulties

with raw cow do well on raw goat milk. Try researching kefir and

finding the actual kefir grains. Many people have them and will send

you some for the postage. Start with cultured goat milk (yogurt and

Kefir) and build your body up to small amounts of plain raw goat. We

run a goat share in alaska and have had people with similar

experience to yours.

>

>

> Rhonda

> Cranberry Ridge Farm

>

> Bacteria native to raw milk?

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>

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> I've been having trouble finding a source that explains which good

> bacteria are native to raw milk. I realize it probably varies from

> cow to goat milk, even among different cows I would imagine, but I'd

> just like a basic idea of what is in there.

>

> As I alluded to in my intro, I believe my health situation is being

> caused by digestive problems, from extended antibiotic use and intense

> stress which occurred right before the illness started. Leaky gut,

> dysbiosis, candida or other overgrowth of bad bacteria, poor

> digestion, etc.

>

> That said, I have had problems with almost every supplement I've ever

> tried and with many foods. My diet became VERY limited over the

> years. The raw dairy after a few weeks has been causing some

> problems.

>

> The raw (cow) milk itself, if I drink enough of it, causes pretty bad

> brainfog, but also gives me some energy. But I've also been

> clabbering some raw milk, and that gives me a very strong reaction.

> If I drink maybe 5-10oz of it, after an hour or so, I am tired and

> just don't feel well.

>

> I made some kefir with the raw milk, using the Body Ecology starter,

> and had the same reaction. I'm wondering if the beneficial bacteria

> that are natively in the raw milk are more potent than a freeze dried,

> or other culture that would be added (for kefir, yogurt, etc.) That

> would seem to make a lot of sense to me, but I'm not sure.

>

> I'm guessing the reaction to the milk is from the sugar in it, and

> candida or whatever are feeding off of that. The reaction to the

> clabbered milk would SEEM to be a positive one, since the regular raw

> milk doesnt have that effect - the proliferation of the good bacteria

> and enzymes, etc, in the clabbered milk must be fighting the bad

> bacteria in my system?

>

> I was going to try heating some raw milk, and then making kefir with

> the starter, and see how I do with that. That would at least prove

> that the native good bacteria in the raw milk are causing the causing

> the reaction, through the cleansing and everything they're doing once

> in my body.

>

> I know this group isn't really geared toward this kind of thing, but

> there are some people in here that have been where I'm at, and I'm

> hoping I can get some questions answered along the way.

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> Dan Baker

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe the

kefir is more than your body can handle right now and maybe just drinking the

milk raw will be enough. Sometimes if I take to high of a dose of a probiotic

my body can’t tolerate it. So maybe just start with raw milk and work up

to kefir.

Thank you, both Rhonda

and . I will try the raw goat milk

and real kefir grains as soon as I can get a hold of them. Hopefully

I can get the goat milk from the same farm.

I reread my original post, and it was kinda confusing - just to

clarify, the clabbered milk which I made by just leaving the raw milk

out for about 24 hrs in a sealed glass container, gave me the same

reaction as the raw milk kefir I made with the powdered starter. The

kefir tasted and smelled much different, but both reactions were

equally strong, leading me to wonder if the good bacteria already in

the milk were the cause. Heating the milk and then making a batch of

kefir - even if it caused less of a reaction initially, defeats the

purpose of the RAW milk, which is the whole idea here.

Thanks again!

Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Given the health problems that you have, I wonder if milk diet would help you. There is a book by Dr. Porter, MD titled

"Milk Diet As A Remedy For Chronic Disease". You can google it and get more info. Dr. Porter cured 18,000 patients with his raw milk diet. It may work for you too. Just a thought.

Barbara

I reread my original post, and it was kinda confusing - just toclarify, the clabbered milk which I made by just leaving the raw milkout for about 24 hrs in a sealed glass container, gave me the samereaction as the raw milk kefir I made with the powdered starter. Thekefir tasted and smelled much different, but both reactions wereequally strong, leading me to wonder if the good bacteria already inthe milk were the cause. Heating the milk and then making a batch ofkefir - even if it caused less of a reaction initially, defeats thepurpose of the RAW milk, which is the whole idea here.Thanks again!Dan

[Guest guest]

Replying to my own question, just in case anybody else is ever wondering about this. According to Dom's kefir site :Traditional authentic kefir CAN NOT be cultured with commercially available kefir starter-cultures often referred to as kefir-starters... commercial kefir starter-cultures simply lack the ability to culture unpasteurised raw milk. In simple terms, this can be put down to the fact that the native microflora of raw milk, out-competes the organisms of commercial starter-cultures-- as a result, the commercial starter ends up losing the battle for nutrients by the first round.That explains why I had the same reaction to the kefir (from the Body Ecology powder starter) as to the clabbered milk.> >> > You may want to try goatmilk. Many people who have difficulties> with raw cow do well on raw goat milk. Try researching kefir and> finding the actual kefir grains. Many people have them and will send> you some for the postage. Start with cultured goat milk (yogurt and> Kefir) and build your body up to small amounts of plain raw goat. We> run a goat share in alaska and have had people with similar> experience to yours.> > > > > > Rhonda> > Cranberry Ridge Farm> > > > Bacteria native to raw milk?> > > > > > > > I've been having trouble finding a source that explains which good> > bacteria are native to raw milk. I realize it probably varies from> > cow to goat milk, even among different cows I would imagine, but I'd> > just like a basic idea of what is in there.> > > > As I alluded to in my intro, I believe my health situation is being> > caused by digestive problems, from extended antibiotic use and intense> > stress which occurred right before the illness started. Leaky gut,> > dysbiosis, candida or other overgrowth of bad bacteria, poor> > digestion, etc. > > > > That said, I have had problems with almost every supplement I've ever> > tried and with many foods. My diet became VERY limited over the> > years. The raw dairy after a few weeks has been causing some> > problems. > > > > The raw (cow) milk itself, if I drink enough of it, causes pretty bad> > brainfog, but also gives me some energy. But I've also been> > clabbering some raw milk, and that gives me a very strong reaction. > > If I drink maybe 5-10oz of it, after an hour or so, I am tired and> > just don't feel well.> > > > I made some kefir with the raw milk, using the Body Ecology starter,> > and had the same reaction. I'm wondering if the beneficial bacteria> > that are natively in the raw milk are more potent than a freeze dried,> > or other culture that would be added (for kefir, yogurt, etc.) That> > would seem to make a lot of sense to me, but I'm not sure.> > > > I'm guessing the reaction to the milk is from the sugar in it, and> > candida or whatever are feeding off of that. The reaction to the> > clabbered milk would SEEM to be a positive one, since the regular raw> > milk doesnt have that effect - the proliferation of the good bacteria> > and enzymes, etc, in the clabbered milk must be fighting the bad> > bacteria in my system?> > > > I was going to try heating some raw milk, and then making kefir with> > the starter, and see how I do with that. That would at least prove> > that the native good bacteria in the raw milk are causing the causing> > the reaction, through the cleansing and everything they're doing once> > in my body.> > > > I know this group isn't really geared toward this kind of thing, but> > there are some people in here that have been where I'm at, and I'm> > hoping I can get some questions answered along the way.> > > > Thanks a lot.> > > > Dan Baker> >>

[Guest guest]

Barbara and -

Yes, I've been reading everything I can find about the milk diet for

the past week or so, and I agree its something I want to try.

Actually, I was testing it out a few days ago, I was just going to go

a couple of days and see how I felt, then decide if it was doable now.

Overall, I've generally felt better when I fast for short periods -

usually not more than one day, because I'm always hungry (though you

wouldn't know that to look at me..)

The raw cow's milk after about a day was giving me bad brainfog, so I

will try again with the raw goat's milk, and also see how the kefir

goes when I get some real grains and goat milk.

Thanks a lot!

Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Reading the book and the way Dr. Porter explains how it is done

is not the same as just to get the info on that diet. Dr. Porter

guarantees a cure and he stresses that it doesn't matter what your reaction to the milk is in the beginning. Just keep doing it and you

will be cured. If you don't want to buy the book, maybe you can

borrow it from the library. I can only tell you that the diet is like nothing you ever knew and the duration of the diet is 4 weeks.

Barbara

Barbara and -Yes, I've been reading everything I can find about the milk diet forthe past week or so, and I agree its something I want to try. Actually, I was testing it out a few days ago, I was just going to goa couple of days and see how I felt, then decide if it was doable now. Overall, I've generally felt better when I fast for short periods -usually not more than one day, because I'm always hungry (though youwouldn't know that to look at me..)The raw cow's milk after about a day was giving me bad brainfog, so Iwill try again with the raw goat's milk, and also see how the kefirgoes when I get some real grains and goat milk.Thanks a lot! Dan

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

Yes, I realize that its not the same, I'm just a little overwhelmed

with all the information right now, this is very new to me, and I need

to get it all sorted out. I am going to buy the book if I can find

it, as well as a couple of others, the one by s for instance

(which I know is not about the milk diet specifically).

Dan

>

> Dan,

>

> Reading the book and the way Dr. Porter explains how it is done

> is not the same as just to get the info on that diet. Dr. Porter

> guarantees a cure and he stresses that it doesn't matter what your

reaction to the milk is in the beginning. Just keep doing it and you

> will be cured. If you don't want to buy the book, maybe you can

> borrow it from the library. I can only tell you that the diet is

like nothing you ever knew and the duration of the diet is 4 weeks.

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

> Barbara and -

>

> Yes, I've been reading everything I can find about the milk diet for

> the past week or so, and I agree its something I want to try.

> Actually, I was testing it out a few days ago, I was just going to go

> a couple of days and see how I felt, then decide if it was doable now.

> Overall, I've generally felt better when I fast for short periods -

> usually not more than one day, because I'm always hungry (though you

> wouldn't know that to look at me..)

>

> The raw cow's milk after about a day was giving me bad brainfog, so I

> will try again with the raw goat's milk, and also see how the kefir

> goes when I get some real grains and goat milk.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

> Dan

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[Guest guest]

Dan,

I'm sure you can tell that I really believe in that diet and maybe I came too strong, I'm sorry.

I did not go on that diet as I have no health problems but just by reading about 18,000 cured patients convinced me that Dr. Porter is right. I'm also a very old member of this list and I learned long ago about the wonderful healing qualities of raw milk.

I hope you will stay on the list and get to know everything there is to know about raw milk. Dr. Porter says that he had best results especially with patients with gastro-intestinal problems.

Best of luck to you

Barbara

Barbara, Yes, I realize that its not the same, I'm just a little overwhelmedwith all the information right now, this is very new to me, and I needto get it all sorted out. I am going to buy the book if I can findit, as well as a couple of others, the one by s for instance(which I know is not about the milk diet specifically).Dan

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

No need to apologize - your strong conviction gives me encouragement.

I found the book online, and want to read it first obviously, so I

know exactly what I'm doing.

Thanks again.

Dan

>

> Dan,

>

> I'm sure you can tell that I really believe in that diet and maybe I

came too strong, I'm sorry.

> I did not go on that diet as I have no health problems but just by

reading about 18,000 cured patients convinced me that Dr. Porter is

right. I'm also a very old member of this list and I learned long ago

about the wonderful healing qualities of raw milk.

> I hope you will stay on the list and get to know everything there is

to know about raw milk. Dr. Porter says that he had best results

especially with patients with gastro-intestinal problems.

> Best of luck to you

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

> Barbara,

>

> Yes, I realize that its not the same, I'm just a little overwhelmed

> with all the information right now, this is very new to me, and I need

> to get it all sorted out. I am going to buy the book if I can find

> it, as well as a couple of others, the one by s for instance

> (which I know is not about the milk diet specifically).

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

You are welcome Dan

Good luck and keep us posted.

Barbara

Barbara, No need to apologize - your strong conviction gives me encouragement. I found the book online, and want to read it first obviously, so Iknow exactly what I'm doing.Thanks again.Dan