Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Thank you for your perspective. It is so helpful ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 My daughter also has to do her OCD when all is seemingly calm and good. However, in the mind of a person with OCD I wonder if that is an oxymoron. My understanding is that even though OCD is listed under anxiety disorders, it is a beast of its own. You don't have to be suffering from direct anxiety to suffer. However, having said that, when anxious/stressful situations present themselves, the OCD gets worse and flares it ugly head, all the more. Anyone concur with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 With OCD, you can have plenty of anxiety in your head even if the external stressors are not that bad. When the external stressors get worse, then symptoms get worse. Even now (and my OCD is currently mild), thinking, reading, seeing on tv something related to my compulsive issues will increase my anxiety. For instance, if I watch a show on OCD, it won't particularly bother me if the example is a washer or someone with bad thought OCD, however, if the person is a checker (like me), I can feel the knot in my stomach, even more so if the things they check are ones that have been problems for me. Imagine you are sitting in a traffic jam, but it is a beautiful day and you have nowhere you really have to be, perhaps you can relax a bit and enjoy the day without thinking too much about how long it is taking to get where you are going. Now, imagine the same traffic jam and you are late to drop off/pick up your child from school or day care, will be late to work or a meeting, will have an angry child, spouse, boss, when you get there, and the day is overcast and gray. Same traffic jam, but your mental state and bodily reactions will be quite different, won't they? Best wishes to all of you whether you are just starting on this journey or have been on it for a while. (mom w/OCD, 9 yo dd w/OCD) > > Subject: re: OCD and anxiety... > To: > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:04 PM > My daughter also has to do her OCD > when all is seemingly calm and good. However, in the mind > of a person with OCD I wonder if that is an oxymoron. > My understanding is that even though OCD is listed under > anxiety disorders, it is a beast of its own. You don't have > to be suffering from direct anxiety to suffer. However, > having said that, when anxious/stressful situations present > themselves, the OCD gets worse and flares it ugly head, all > the more. > Anyone concur with me? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I was just thinking of some situations for me. Like if I have finished ironing, I shut the iron off and go on about my business. Sometime later I wonder " did I actually shut the iron off? " and go check. Later, " did I look really good, am I sure? " and check again. Or did I really turn off the stove, oven.... Trying NOT to check brings on a nagging " need to check it, be sure " feeling, a bit of anxiousness. I imagine for those who check numerous times (much more than me) that it's like a " am I REALLY sure?? " feeling and is relieved by checking; then feeling comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 you hit the nail on the head, Chris! (mom w/OCD, 9 yo dd w/OCD) > > Subject: Re: OCD and anxiety... > To: > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:57 PM > I was just thinking of some > situations for me. Like if I have finished ironing, I > shut the iron off and go on about my business. > Sometime later I wonder " did I actually shut the iron off? " > and go check. Later, " did I look really good, am I > sure? " and check again. Or did I really turn off the > stove, oven.... Trying NOT to check brings on a > nagging " need to check it, be sure " feeling, a bit of > anxiousness. > > I imagine for those who check numerous times (much more > than me) that it's like a " am I REALLY sure?? " feeling and > is relieved by checking; then feeling comes back. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Our list archives feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// > by scrolling down to the archives calendar . Our links > may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//links > . Our files may be accessed at > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), and Dan Geller, M.D. ( > http://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/doctor.aspx?ID=18068 > ). You may ask a question of any of these mental health > professionals by inserting the words " Ask Dr.(insert name) " > in the subject line of a post to the list. Our list > moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ Closner, and > Barb Nesrallah. You may contact the moderators at -owner > . OCDKidsLoop membership may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdkidsloop/ > . Our group and related groups are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links > . IOCDF treatment providers list may be viewed at http://www.ocfoundation.info/treatment-providers-list.php > . > NLM-NIH Drug Information Portal may be viewed at > http://druginfo.nlm.nih.gov/drugportal/drugportal.jsp?APPLICATION_NAME=drugporta\ l > . IOCDF recommended reading list may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/Books.aspx . IOCDF > glossary of terms may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/glossary.aspx > . IOCDF membership link may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.net/membership/ . Drugs.com > pill identification wizard may be accessed at http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php . Mayo Clinic > Drug and Herb Index may be accessed at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DrugHerbIndex > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 My thought is that for OCD kids, what we call relaxed, they view as " unstructured time " and they feel somehow unsafe when there isn't a schedule.  Just a thought. M Subject: re: OCD and anxiety... To: Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:04 PM  My daughter also has to do her OCD when all is seemingly calm and good. However, in the mind of a person with OCD I wonder if that is an oxymoron. My understanding is that even though OCD is listed under anxiety disorders, it is a beast of its own. You don't have to be suffering from direct anxiety to suffer. However, having said that, when anxious/stressful situations present themselves, the OCD gets worse and flares it ugly head, all the more. Anyone concur with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Good thought...my daughter is more anxious when she is " bored " and nothing is stimulating her brain. in WI Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T re: OCD and anxiety... To: Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:04 PM  My daughter also has to do her OCD when all is seemingly calm and good. However, in the mind of a person with OCD I wonder if that is an oxymoron. My understanding is that even though OCD is listed under anxiety disorders, it is a beast of its own. You don't have to be suffering from direct anxiety to suffer. However, having said that, when anxious/stressful situations present themselves, the OCD gets worse and flares it ugly head, all the more. Anyone concur with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 But isn't that what you are trying NOT to do....go back and recheck over and over? I would think that would be an ERP thing ~~ making yourself not check and getting past that anxious feeling. We are not at the point yet of ERP with our son, but we do tell remind that his anxious feelings will go away if he gives it some time. HIs therapist told us just yesterday that he needs to be more cognitive of what is going on before really starting ERP. All I know is that it is all so frustrating! Debbie > > > > > Subject: Re: OCD and anxiety... > > To: > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:57 PM > > I was just thinking of some > > situations for me. Like if I have finished ironing, I > > shut the iron off and go on about my business. > > Sometime later I wonder " did I actually shut the iron off? " > > and go check. Later, " did I look really good, am I > > sure? " and check again. Or did I really turn off the > > stove, oven.... Trying NOT to check brings on a > > nagging " need to check it, be sure " feeling, a bit of > > anxiousness. > > > > I imagine for those who check numerous times (much more > > than me) that it's like a " am I REALLY sure?? " feeling and > > is relieved by checking; then feeling comes back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Our list archives feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// > > by scrolling down to the archives calendar . Our links > > may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//links > > . Our files may be accessed at > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files > > . > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), and Dan Geller, M.D. ( > > http://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/doctor.aspx?ID=18068 > > ). You may ask a question of any of these mental health > > professionals by inserting the words " Ask Dr.(insert name) " > > in the subject line of a post to the list. Our list > > moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ Closner, and > > Barb Nesrallah. You may contact the moderators at -owner > > . OCDKidsLoop membership may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdkidsloop/ > > . Our group and related groups are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links > > . IOCDF treatment providers list may be viewed at http://www.ocfoundation.info/treatment-providers-list.php > > . > > NLM-NIH Drug Information Portal may be viewed at > > http://druginfo.nlm.nih.gov/drugportal/drugportal.jsp?APPLICATION_NAME=drugporta\ l > > . IOCDF recommended reading list may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/Books.aspx . IOCDF > > glossary of terms may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/glossary.aspx > > . IOCDF membership link may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.net/membership/ . Drugs.com > > pill identification wizard may be accessed at http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php . Mayo Clinic > > Drug and Herb Index may be accessed at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DrugHerbIndex > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Hi katherine-  My daughter used to whine about bored to me also - I always told her (although when she was younger she HATED hearing it ) that bored is good because that's when your most creative ideas come to you.  From: Debbie Rommelmann <elpasolady1@ yahoo.com> Subject: re: OCD and anxiety... To: @ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:04 PM  My daughter also has to do her OCD when all is seemingly calm and good. However, in the mind of a person with OCD I wonder if that is an oxymoron. My understanding is that even though OCD is listed under anxiety disorders, it is a beast of its own. You don't have to be suffering from direct anxiety to suffer. However, having said that, when anxious/stressful situations present themselves, the OCD gets worse and flares it ugly head, all the more. Anyone concur with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 > But isn't that what you are trying NOT to do....go back and recheck over and over? Debbie, you're right. I was just talking about the " feeling " I get to recheck. What has worked for me is if I go to recheck - or make myself do this the first time prior to recheck - is to just stand there and LOOK and see that it's " off " or " on " . Take my time looking. And then I tell myself " it's off " (though with alarm clock I want it " on " ) and then I'm okay and don't recheck. So stand, look, just pausing and " taking it in " and KNOWING is what works for me. I would think that would be an ERP thing ~~ making yourself not check and getting past that anxious feeling. We are not at the point yet of ERP with our son, but we do tell remind that his anxious feelings will go away if he gives it some time. HIs therapist told us just yesterday that he needs to be more cognitive of what is going on before really starting ERP. All I know is that it is all so frustrating! > > Debbie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Yes! Our son did lots of checking and rechecking, especially of doors at bedtime. That grew and morphed into not only checking the locks, but even pushing on the doors to make sure they were shut all the way, despite seeing they were locked. There's unreasonable OCD for you. His exposure was, at first, to not check at all. Then later, to allow himself to check once (which is reasonably what a person without OCD would do), then not check anymore, and not to push on the doors. It took a few times of not doing it, to work. The hard part was coming back to the center way of thinking, where you are allowed to do what others might do, but not let OCD take back over and cause you to give it too much importance again. For our son, learning to be cognizant was part of the ERP. BJ > > > > > From: <@> > > > Subject: Re: OCD and anxiety... > > > To: > > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:57 PM > > > I was just thinking of some > > > situations for me. Like if I have finished ironing, I > > > shut the iron off and go on about my business. > > > Sometime later I wonder " did I actually shut the iron off? " > > > and go check. Later, " did I look really good, am I > > > sure? " and check again. Or did I really turn off the > > > stove, oven.... Trying NOT to check brings on a > > > nagging " need to check it, be sure " feeling, a bit of > > > anxiousness. > > > > > > I imagine for those who check numerous times (much more > > > than me) that it's like a " am I REALLY sure?? " feeling and > > > is relieved by checking; then feeling comes back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Our list archives feature may be accessed at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// > > > by scrolling down to the archives calendar . Our links > > > may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//links > > > . Our files may be accessed at > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files > > > . > > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), and Dan Geller, M.D. ( > > > http://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/doctor.aspx?ID=18068 > > > ). You may ask a question of any of these mental health > > > professionals by inserting the words " Ask Dr.(insert name) " > > > in the subject line of a post to the list. Our list > > > moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ Closner, and > > > Barb Nesrallah. You may contact the moderators at -owner > > > . OCDKidsLoop membership may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdkidsloop/ > > > . Our group and related groups are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links > > > . IOCDF treatment providers list may be viewed at http://www.ocfoundation.info/treatment-providers-list.php > > > . > > > NLM-NIH Drug Information Portal may be viewed at > > > http://druginfo.nlm.nih.gov/drugportal/drugportal.jsp?APPLICATION_NAME=drugporta\ l > > > . IOCDF recommended reading list may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/Books.aspx . IOCDF > > > glossary of terms may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/glossary.aspx > > > . IOCDF membership link may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.net/membership/ . Drugs.com > > > pill identification wizard may be accessed at http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php . Mayo Clinic > > > Drug and Herb Index may be accessed at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DrugHerbIndex > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Distraction is a way of coping, especially when they have not yet learned any other coping strategies or are not able to do ERP, and even when they have, it is exhausting to manage all day long. Barb > > Good thought...my daughter is more anxious when she is " bored " and nothing is stimulating her brain. > > in WI > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > : Re: re: OCD and anxiety... > > My thought is that for OCD kids, what we call relaxed, they view as " unstructured time " and they feel somehow unsafe when there isn't a schedule. >  > Just a thought. > M > > > My daughter also has to do her OCD when all is seemingly calm and good. However, in the mind of a person with OCD I wonder if that is an oxymoron. > My understanding is that even though OCD is listed under anxiety disorders, it is a beast of its own. You don't have to be suffering from direct anxiety to suffer. However, having said that, when anxious/stressful situations present themselves, the OCD gets worse and flares it ugly head, all the more. > Anyone concur with me? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Debbie, You are right. If you are doing ERP, you would be trying not to go back and recheck and just deal with the anxious feelings. (mom w/OCD, 9 yo dd w/OCD) > > Subject: Re: OCD and anxiety... > To: > Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 9:44 AM > But isn't that what you are trying > NOT to do....go back and recheck over and over? I > would think that would be an ERP thing ~~ making yourself > not check and getting past that anxious feeling. We > are not at the point yet of ERP with our son, but we do tell > remind that his anxious feelings will go away if he gives it > some time. HIs therapist told us just yesterday that > he needs to be more cognitive of what is going on before > really starting ERP. All I know is that it is all so > frustrating! > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: OCD and > anxiety... > > > To: > > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 6:57 PM > > > I was just thinking of some > > > situations for me. Like if I have finished > ironing, I > > > shut the iron off and go on about my business. > > > Sometime later I wonder " did I actually shut the > iron off? " > > > and go check. Later, " did I look really good, > am I > > > sure? " and check again. Or did I really turn > off the > > > stove, oven.... Trying NOT to check brings on > a > > > nagging " need to check it, be sure " feeling, a > bit of > > > anxiousness. > > > > > > I imagine for those who check numerous times > (much more > > > than me) that it's like a " am I REALLY sure?? " > feeling and > > > is relieved by checking; then feeling comes > back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Our list archives feature may be accessed at: > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group// > > > by scrolling down to the archives calendar . > Our links > > > may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//links > > > . Our files may be accessed at > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group//files > > > . > > > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), and Dan Geller, M.D. ( > > > http://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/doctor.aspx?ID=18068 > > > ). You may ask a question of any of these mental > health > > > professionals by inserting the words " Ask > Dr.(insert name) " > > > in the subject line of a post to the list. Our > list > > > moderators are Castle, Judy Chabot, BJ > Closner, and > > > Barb Nesrallah. You may contact the moderators > at -owner > > > . OCDKidsLoop membership may be accessed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdkidsloop/ > > > . Our group and related groups are listed at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocdsupportgroups/links > > > . IOCDF treatment providers list may be viewed > at http://www.ocfoundation.info/treatment-providers-list.php > > > . > > > NLM-NIH Drug Information Portal may be viewed at > > > http://druginfo.nlm.nih.gov/drugportal/drugportal.jsp?APPLICATION_NAME=drugporta\ l > > > . IOCDF recommended reading list may be > accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/Books.aspx > . IOCDF > > > glossary of terms may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.org/glossary.aspx > > > . IOCDF membership link may be accessed at http://www.ocfoundation.net/membership/ . Drugs.com > > > pill identification wizard may be accessed at http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php . Mayo Clinic > > > Drug and Herb Index may be accessed at http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DrugHerbIndex > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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