Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 makes me feel a bit better, but I"m still going to write letters and letters and opose them over and over again..If we slack off now..things may get worse, quicker...so keep them angry and "I'm not loosing my freedoms" letters comming to the NAIS and congressmen and newspapers..the more "BAD" publicity they get...the better !!!! JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hi KC; Who is your state vet? I would like to know where to find information to back this up as none of the sites I've been to support the following. Not even the NAIS site. It says something very different. Carmen -----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ]On Behalf Of TinybabeSent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:50 AMTo: RawDairy ; Miniaturecattle ; MiniFarmanimals ; SmallFamilyJerseys Subject: NAIS OK folks I just talked to the state vet to get the low down on all this NAIS stuff. Yes, originally, the government (State in conjunction with the Fed) wanted to track all the animals in the country in order to track diseased animals. Llamas because they can get hoof and mouth disease. And the reason for the chip in the llamas was because they realized that NO BREEDER or owner of llamas wants a tag on them. Other animals in case they get into the food chain. However, they realized early on that this was not going to be feasible due to the vast amount of small farms, hobbyists, etc. and the millions of animals across the U.S. that NEVER leave their farm. It is still a voluntary situation if you want to go ahead and do this. The way it's going to work is that any animal that comes through the sale/auction yards will automatically be given a number and the owner's will get a premise ID as well. This is now going to pertain primarily to the animals that go through all the sales in the country figuring they will be sold for food (meat or milk). NO, they are NOT going to go farm to farm. If you have diary goats, a micro dairy (that is not state licensed), a few cows or even 30 of them and they don't leave the property (raised, bred, live and die on the same property) or get sold at auction, they WILL NOT be given an ID number and you won't have to have a premise number. So, if you sell a couple calves, kids or other animals privately, you have nothing to worry about. If they are going out of state, they will need all the normal paperwork anyway. Yes, there was a deadline that was closer, but now, it's been extended to 2009 and may go beyond that. And in some smaller states, they may have the resources to go to the farms, but that's not how it's being set up. So, if someone comes to your farm, you still have till 2009 to comply. Larger states with vast areas and many small farms are not going to have anyone come out and insist they get ID tags or numbers for their premises or animals. This has apparently been agreed upon by one and all involved at the state and federal levels. At any rate, the time frame has been extended to 2009, so you have plenty of time to figure out how you want to deal with this. Also, originally, she said the old timers were initially for this because they thought the IRS was going to be involved and they would have some tax benefits from it. However, since it is only for tracking diseased animals found in the food chain, the old timers have backed off of supporting the program. So, that told the state and federal agencies that this wasn't going to be as easy as they thought and is part of the reason they have extended out as far as they have. And who knows, if they get more opposition, it may never become mandatory even for the bigger operations. K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Her name is Dr. Debra Lawrence and she is at and we are on Mountain time. She seemed EXTREMELY knowledgeable. When I said I needed info on NAIS she responded with "What do you need to know?" No hedging, just got right into it and answered every one of my questions without pause. And then offered extra info. So, I feel she knows what she's talking about. You must know as I do that the gov isn't going to fill us in on everything they have decided to do on their web page. Maybe they will get the info up prior to the previous due date (LOL), maybe not. K.C. RE: NAIS Hi KC; Who is your state vet? I would like to know where to find information to back this up as none of the sites I've been to support the following. Not even the NAIS site. It says something very different. Carmen -----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ]On Behalf Of TinybabeSent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:50 AMTo: RawDairy ; Miniaturecattle ; MiniFarmanimals ; SmallFamilyJerseys Subject: NAIS OK folks I just talked to the state vet to get the low down on all this NAIS stuff. Yes, originally, the government (State in conjunction with the Fed) wanted to track all the animals in the country in order to track diseased animals. Llamas because they can get hoof and mouth disease. And the reason for the chip in the llamas was because they realized that NO BREEDER or owner of llamas wants a tag on them. Other animals in case they get into the food chain. However, they realized early on that this was not going to be feasible due to the vast amount of small farms, hobbyists, etc. and the millions of animals across the U.S. that NEVER leave their farm. It is still a voluntary situation if you want to go ahead and do this. The way it's going to work is that any animal that comes through the sale/auction yards will automatically be given a number and the owner's will get a premise ID as well. This is now going to pertain primarily to the animals that go through all the sales in the country figuring they will be sold for food (meat or milk). NO, they are NOT going to go farm to farm. If you have diary goats, a micro dairy (that is not state licensed), a few cows or even 30 of them and they don't leave the property (raised, bred, live and die on the same property) or get sold at auction, they WILL NOT be given an ID number and you won't have to have a premise number. So, if you sell a couple calves, kids or other animals privately, you have nothing to worry about. If they are going out of state, they will need all the normal paperwork anyway. Yes, there was a deadline that was closer, but now, it's been extended to 2009 and may go beyond that. And in some smaller states, they may have the resources to go to the farms, but that's not how it's being set up. So, if someone comes to your farm, you still have till 2009 to comply. Larger states with vast areas and many small farms are not going to have anyone come out and insist they get ID tags or numbers for their premises or animals. This has apparently been agreed upon by one and all involved at the state and federal levels. At any rate, the time frame has been extended to 2009, so you have plenty of time to figure out how you want to deal with this. Also, originally, she said the old timers were initially for this because they thought the IRS was going to be involved and they would have some tax benefits from it. However, since it is only for tracking diseased animals found in the food chain, the old timers have backed off of supporting the program. So, that told the state and federal agencies that this wasn't going to be as easy as they thought and is part of the reason they have extended out as far as they have. And who knows, if they get more opposition, it may never become mandatory even for the bigger operations. K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Oh, I totally agree. Like I said, if you get some of the larger operations to oppose them and keep up the letters and emails, they may just back off more. You know what they say "Money Talks - BS Walks" and if some of the big money operations get involved in the opposition, then the gov will listen. K.C. Re: NAIS makes me feel a bit better, but I"m still going to write letters and letters and opose them over and over again..If we slack off now..things may get worse, quicker...so keep them angry and "I'm not loosing my freedoms" letters comming to the NAIS and congressmen and newspapers..the more "BAD" publicity they get...the better !!!! JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 The amount of misinformation you have managed to put into this one post is phenomenal. You have gone a long way toward wiping out every good thing you have ever done on this list with this one post. NAIS is a program designed primarily to control and harass small owners of livestock. I encourage you not to post anymore on this topic. THIS IS GOING TO BE MANDATORY. HERE IS THE TIMETABLE: Timeline Key milestones: • July 2005: All States capable of premises registration. • July 2005: Animal Identification Number system operational. • April 2007: Premises registration and animal identification “alerts”. • January 2008: Premises registration and animal identification required. • January 2009: Reporting of defined animal movements required; entire program mandatory. And if part of the timetable gets pushed back, IT DOESN " T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT WILL HAPPEN. This is already law. Here is the complete document: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/pdf/NAIS_Draft_Strategic_Plan_42505.pd\ f Here is an article from someone who is much better informed than your vet: http://www.bantamclub.com/hobby/Why%20You%20Should%20Oppose.pdf --- Tinybabe wrote: > OK folks I just talked to the state vet to get the > low down on all this NAIS stuff. > > Yes, originally, the government (State in > conjunction with the Fed) wanted to track all the > animals in the country in order to track diseased > animals. Llamas because they can get hoof and mouth > disease. And the reason for the chip in the llamas > was because they realized that NO BREEDER or owner > of llamas wants a tag on them. Other animals in case > they get into the food chain. > > However, they realized early on that this was not > going to be feasible due to the vast amount of small > farms, hobbyists, etc. and the millions of animals > across the U.S. that NEVER leave their farm. It is > still a voluntary situation if you want to go ahead > and do this. > > The way it's going to work is that any animal that > comes through the sale/auction yards will > automatically be given a number and the owner's will > get a premise ID as well. This is now going to > pertain primarily to the animals that go through all > the sales in the country figuring they will be sold > for food (meat or milk). > > NO, they are NOT going to go farm to farm. If you > have diary goats, a micro dairy (that is not state > licensed), a few cows or even 30 of them and they > don't leave the property (raised, bred, live and die > on the same property) or get sold at auction, they > WILL NOT be given an ID number and you won't have to > have a premise number. So, if you sell a couple > calves, kids or other animals privately, you have > nothing to worry about. If they are going out of > state, they will need all the normal paperwork > anyway. > > Yes, there was a deadline that was closer, but now, > it's been extended to 2009 and may go beyond that. > And in some smaller states, they may have the > resources to go to the farms, but that's not how > it's being set up. So, if someone comes to your > farm, you still have till 2009 to comply. Larger > states with vast areas and many small farms are not > going to have anyone come out and insist they get ID > tags or numbers for their premises or animals. This > has apparently been agreed upon by one and all > involved at the state and federal levels. > > At any rate, the time frame has been extended to > 2009, so you have plenty of time to figure out how > you want to deal with this. > > Also, originally, she said the old timers were > initially for this because they thought the IRS was > going to be involved and they would have some tax > benefits from it. However, since it is only for > tracking diseased animals found in the food chain, > the old timers have backed off of supporting the > program. So, that told the state and federal > agencies that this wasn't going to be as easy as > they thought and is part of the reason they have > extended out as far as they have. And who knows, if > they get more opposition, it may never become > mandatory even for the bigger operations. > > K.C. > > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 It better not make you feel better. NAIS is already authorized by statute and it will be mandatory for everyone. --- Twilitelaughfarm@... wrote: > makes me feel a bit better, but I " m still going to > write letters and letters > and opose them over and over again..If we slack off > now..things may get worse, > quicker...so keep them angry and " I'm not loosing my > freedoms " letters > comming to the NAIS and congressmen and > newspapers..the more " BAD " publicity they > get...the better !!!! > > > JMHO > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Is there a link to view this NAIS proposal? http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml This is just one of many links. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Is there a link to view this NAIS proposal? Thanks. Ann in OH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I just typed NAIS into the search engine and it brought up the federal site that spells it all out. K.C. NAIS > Is there a link to view this NAIS proposal? > > Thanks. > Ann in OH > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > Archive search: http://onibasu.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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