Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Last estimate I heard GM soybeans (RR) in US is/will be about 90% and corn around 50% (RR, LL, Bt RW, Bt CB, and/or GR). Another link: http://www.organicconsumers.org/Toxic/hexane_health_bar.cfm . Hexane not allowed in organics. PS: Drink Organic Valley Soy. Re: soy I got this off another list I am on and wondered if any of you know if this applies to milk? Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Everyone has good reasons for avoiding soy. Not only for thephytoestrogens but for the hexane that is used to treat 95% of the soyused in the US. Hexane is a known neurotoxin and carcinogen. Go to theWeston A Price site and read what happens to people that use soy, esp.soy formula for children. I have also heard that 50% of the soy in theUS is Genetically engineered for roundup resistence. Not only do theypoison you with hexane they also boombard you with roundup. Georg Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Debbie, It's a good question, worthy of a good answer. Here's an except from an article, for example talking about the effects of soy on cows: " THE LATEST scientists to sing the praises of soy aren't human nutritionists but dairy scientists. Their current research shows that feeding whole but cracked raw soybeans to cows reduces the amount of body heat they generate, while improving their reproductive efficiency.....A few years back, Spain stumbled onto a doctoral thesis written in the 1960s that stated dairy cow sweat is high in concentrations of the essential fatty acid found in soybeans. Spain says it was the missing piece to this small but complicated dairy nutrition puzzle. "The cow is losing the fatty acid through her skin secretions as well as her milk .. What we're finding is that we can add it through her diet," he says. His current research is focused on finding whether a cow's fatty acid balance changes when she is heat stressed. "We're also trying to measure how much effect feeding her soybeans has on her fatty acid balance," he says. The rest of the article is located here: http://farmindustrynews.com/mag/farming_dairy_solutions_soy/ So, basically, they've found that sweating cows lose EFA's, but no problem, they'll control it through feeding soy beans which reduces the amount of heat a cow loses. BUT, and I think this is key, ARE the cows getting the right balance of EFA's through soy? Nope. Would they in a natural grass-fed diet? Yes, assuming it came from someone who knew how to grow good grass (that sounds illicit, doesn't it). Soy EFA's are out-of-balance - anywhere in the 40:1 to 60:1 ratio of Omega6:Omega 3. We need, depending on who you read, anywhere from 2:1 to 4:1 of Omega6:Omega 3. Even if they manage to keep the cows from sweating out the EFA's, are they the kind we need if they're coming from a diet high in corn/soy? No. Rushed for time, so this is a probably a simplistic way of looking at it, but its the best I've got for now. HTH? Sharon, NH I don't want to drink the soy milk. I was wondering about the stuff passing into the milk from the soy. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@... http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 It's not just the GM part and the crud they use in the processing, but the soy itself. K.C. Re: soy I got this off another list I am on and wondered if any of you know if this applies to milk? Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Everyone has good reasons for avoiding soy. Not only for thephytoestrogens but for the hexane that is used to treat 95% of the soyused in the US. Hexane is a known neurotoxin and carcinogen. Go to theWeston A Price site and read what happens to people that use soy, esp.soy formula for children. I have also heard that 50% of the soy in theUS is Genetically engineered for roundup resistence. Not only do theypoison you with hexane they also boombard you with roundup. Georg Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Hi I use orgnic soy in my goats milk because anyother thing I could find to replace it. the feed bill doubled or tripled and I just cant aford it. The people that mixes my feed for me knows Sally Fallon and they talked to her because I was asking the same quistions you are asking. Sally Fallon told her that if you have to use soy roat them. She told me the whole reason why but I cant reamber it all. So the soy that is in the feed is roasted. thresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Just my opinion, but I won't eat soy (except a little soy sauce occasionally), drink soy milk or feed soy to my cow(s), whether organic or otherwise. If more people knew how bad soy really is, I think a lot of vegetarians would go back to eating some form of animal protein. K.C. Re: soy > K.C/Debbie, > I think Debbie is asking if soy affects dairy milk? Or if soymilk is > also detrimental? Not sure which? > > Soymilk is definitely questionable as people food. There's a slew of > info here: > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html > > It most definitely does affect dairy milk. > According to Trauger Groh: > " I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy on > ruminants. Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 years > and have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves and > reach hardly the age of six. One main reason is the high percentage of > soy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. > > This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis and > sterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identify > the defective livers. > > The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first two > lactations, is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achieved > through it is not health promoting either. . . If awake consumers, > environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretely > together in the future there will not be any healthy farms nor healthy > foods. " > http://www.realmilk.com/soy.html > -Blair > >> >> No it doesn't apply to milk unless people are using GM (genetically > modified) grain and LOTS OF IT. Raw milk is normally sold from cows > that are fed grass and alfalfa and some grain used at milking. >> >> Soy is a bean grown massively in this country and genetically > modified by Monsanto. It has been known to be bad for people for a > long time, but the majority of people just don't get a clue. >> > >> >> K.C. >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > Archive search: http://onibasu.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Roasting ties up the urease in raw soybeans. Re: Re: Re: soy HiI use orgnic soy in my goats milk because anyother thing I could find to replace it. the feed bill doubled or tripled and I just cant aford it. The people that mixes my feed for me knows Sally Fallon and they talked to her because I was asking the same quistions you are asking. Sally Fallon told her that if you have to use soy roat them. She told me the whole reason why but I cant reamber it all. So the soy that is in the feed is roasted. thresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 If more people knew how bad soy really is, I think a lot of vegetarians would go back to eating some form of animal protein.K.C.xxxxxxxx I think a national program for raw milk like Organic Pastures would be an excellent way to make healthy animal proteins available. From my background, I can not see the reasoning why a person would avoid natural milk products from the standpoint of animal welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Be careful trying to blame soy for the longevity decline within the national dairy herd. The causes of the reduced lifespan are economic and an effect of cultural practices. On a commercial dairy- 1 to 27,000 cows, whatever, the impoverished milk prices paid require the farmer/business manager to make decisions on dollars and cents. In order to produce milk at those prices it is almost required to get sized to max out facilities and expand to milk cows to pay for the expansion, purchase a portion of feed because capital needs to be locked up in the dairy operation and buy feed from specialized crop producers, hire the cheapest labor you can find, and push every last thing into the getting higher production to increase output per investment (rBGH, monesin, 3x,4x, or 6x milking, etc) and then make money when milk prices are within the historical tops and hope that profit will last through when the market turns. Cultural practices that correlate to the economic reality. Confine cows to central location. You can only walk cows to pasture so far and it's far cheaper to run one big parlor than several spread across pastures. So then you bring feed to the cows, haul manure to the field, off course cows will be on concrete to facilitate this and reduce life span, try to replicate the natural cow diet plus some to make more milk, manage facilities the best to prevent mastitis, lameness, reproduction, and "comfort" Then if you fail to get cows pregant on time or she breeds to late, she'll have to be culled becasue the unproductive phase will make her unprofitable. Remember this fact, the profit of a cow is made during the first 80-120 days of lactation, the rest is a wash at best in many cases, but if you can get another calf and 80-120 days "peak" milk, then she'll be profitable, elsewise it's unlikely she can remain on-farm. And bankers want to see profit. So to sum up, be cautious to pass judgement that soy is the reason for the decline in national herd longevity, there are many factors involved, mostly economic that casue this decline. There are opportunities to regain a herd with longevity, it's more out of the box. Grazing dairies are a ray of hope to extend the lives of cows and happy cows I might add. Current prices for replacement animals is high by historical standards now and it is forcing managers to think about longevity and hold cows that are only profitable because their replacement is less profitable. I don't know many dairy farmers that would tell you soy is the reason they are getting these problems. Roasted soybeans, in fact, are an excellent cow feed and has been shown to increase reproduction and cow condition. Re: soy K.C/Debbie,I think Debbie is asking if soy affects dairy milk? Or if soymilk isalso detrimental? Not sure which? Soymilk is definitely questionable as people food. There's a slew ofinfo here: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.htmlIt most definitely does affect dairy milk. According to Trauger Groh:"I have followed for many years the sickening effect of soy onruminants. Cows that formerly could easily reach the age of 15 yearsand have 12 calves have on average now less than three calves andreach hardly the age of six. One main reason is the high percentage ofsoy in the rations. It works into the buildup of ammonia in the rumen. This affects negatively the liver and then shows up in mastitis andsterility. Off they go to the butcher. Only there can a vet identifythe defective livers. The soybean, bringing about high milk yields in the first twolactations, is the curse of our cattle herds. And the milk achievedthrough it is not health promoting either. . . If awake consumers,environmentalists, nutritionists and farmers do not work concretelytogether in the future there will not be any healthy farms nor healthyfoods."http://www.realmilk.com/soy.html-Blair>> No it doesn't apply to milk unless people are using GM (geneticallymodified) grain and LOTS OF IT. Raw milk is normally sold from cowsthat are fed grass and alfalfa and some grain used at milking.> > Soy is a bean grown massively in this country and geneticallymodified by Monsanto. It has been known to be bad for people for along time, but the majority of people just don't get a clue.> > > K.C.> ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Okay what is urease? & Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Re: Re: Re: soy HiI use orgnic soy in my goats milk because anyother thing I could find to replace it. the feed bill doubled or tripled and I just cant aford it. The people that mixes my feed for me knows Sally Fallon and they talked to her because I was asking the same quistions you are asking. Sally Fallon told her that if you have to use soy roat them. She told me the whole reason why but I cant reamber it all. So the soy that is in the feed is roasted. thresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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