Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I called the newspaper twice and never got a call back. I think I'm going to submit a freelance type article and see what happens. Got to get people looking at this. I'm still totally amazed that only a few of us know about it. They are really trying to keep it under wraps. I even wrote Al Gore about it and The Farm Bureau here in Idaho. Time to start a letter writing campaign. Grass roots movements can move mountains. Just GOT to get people to get on board. K.C. Re: Reply to Nais poll How About your CATS and DOGS they are next on the list. Help Stop this now. We need every one of you to call your Representative both Federal Level and State Level and let them know you Oppose NAIS on either level. Contact your news as well we need publicity Annie Tornado Alley Goats Boers & Nubians ville, AR " They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety " Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Debbie, You're probably right about a lot of non-farmers being bored with the NAIS discussion. But I can you that this is one non-farmer who is not the least bit bored by the subject of NAIS. It's hard to be bored when you are terrified. So even though it is off topic, this city dweller voted not to ban it as a subject on this forum. Keep the NAIS posts coming. Coombes Beaverton, OR -----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of & Debbie ChikouskySent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:29 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Reply to Nais poll I decided not to just vote on this but share my feelings with all of you about this. As most of you know I am Canadian so this issue will not directly affect me. Although I believe it will in some ways as it will affect trade issues and how our own government decides to proceed with our future. As with most topics I very much enjoy this list because of all the diversity and although people that do not farm and only enjoy raw milk may think this is boring, not belonging in raw milk discussions or generally getting to bog down email boxes it would do them well to remember where their milk comes from. These rules are going to greatly affect supply. They will put an end to getting milk in areas where very black market ways are the only way they can get their milk etc. If you have to claim you have more than a reasonable amount of animals that are producing milk for your family do you not think it will raise flags? I do. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 If this list can accept files I will forward a poster for anyone who want it to copy and use. Annie Tornado Alley GoatsBoers & Nubiansville, AR "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety " Ben lin 1759 Born to be Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Truth be known the word "banned" makes me think censorship which goes against freedom of speech. Amen Debbie! What is truly sad, is to see just how many people aren't even considering the consequences of the NAIS program. If folks think in terms of what will come next, it might be a different story. Society has converted people into only thinking of what will effect them personally. So NAIS may not effect farmer Bob too much because he already has been tagging his cows for years, but look what it does to farmer Greta who is forced to sell off all her beloved livestock because the regulations drive her sales away. I posed a question on the Goat ID group and only one person responded...... How much is a person's privacy worth to them? Do the so called benefits of NAIS outweigh the cost of one's privacy? If you listen to the news reports, there has been a lot of controversy lately regarding the Federal Government wiretapping even though it violates the Constitution. Rationale was that it fell under the umbrella of Homeland Security. Wiretapping has been going on since before Nixon was in office. My point is that when we give in to pressure to reduce the rights that our Constitution has provided us, then we are opening ourselves up to even more rights being taken away. Ever hear the phrase, if you give an inch, they will take a mile? On a little side note, Japan imposed sanctions on our beef yesterday. The big push to put NAIS in place was to improve relations for more foreign exports of beef. Japan is one country that we were bargaining with. Even with NAIS plans somewhat in place, they still sanctioned the beef exports because they found bone fragments in the meat. Should be interesting to see what the NAIS Committee spins that tidbit of information. The published propaganda about NAIS was intended to only outline the benefits of the draft. One key point was the fact that there will be benefits (meaning more exports) for those who participate. Taiwan had just lifted it's sanctions 2 weeks ago. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 >> Debbie, > > You're probably right about a lot of non-farmers being bored with the NAIS > discussion. But I can you that this is one non-farmer who is not the least > bit bored by the subject of NAIS. So far it looks like the majority of people don't want to ban the talk about NAIS. If you can't beat them, join them is the old saying. Soon they will be putting computer chips in humans to keep track of people. I don't think any group will be able to stop this movement. Seems like to me wasted energy trying to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 <<So far it looks like the majority of people don't want to ban the talk about NAIS. If you can't beat them, join them is the old saying.Soon they will be putting computer chips in humans to keep track of people. I don't think any group will be able to stop this movement. Seems like to me wasted energy trying to stop it.>> It is a really good thing that the people in the raw milk movement don't think like you or there would be no one trying to get new legislations passed so that all these frustrated people can easily find raw milk. Truth be known the word "banned" makes me think censorship which goes against freedom of speech. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I don't think even 1/4 of the U.S. population are aware of this program. That's why everyone needs to contact their newspapers and even their co-ops/feed stores and pet stores. Anyone who sells spring poultry and rabbits will be required to turn over every name and address for every live animal sold. This is very dangerous. The wiretapping thing will look like a child's game compared to the invasion of privacy this program will ensue. K.C. Re: Reply to Nais poll Truth be known the word "banned" makes me think censorship which goes against freedom of speech. Amen Debbie! What is truly sad, is to see just how many people aren't even considering the consequences of the NAIS program. If folks think in terms of what will come next, it might be a different story. Society has converted people into only thinking of what will effect them personally. So NAIS may not effect farmer Bob too much because he already has been tagging his cows for years, but look what it does to farmer Greta who is forced to sell off all her beloved livestock because the regulations drive her sales away. I posed a question on the Goat ID group and only one person responded...... How much is a person's privacy worth to them? Do the so called benefits of NAIS outweigh the cost of one's privacy? If you listen to the news reports, there has been a lot of controversy lately regarding the Federal Government wiretapping even though it violates the Constitution. Rationale was that it fell under the umbrella of Homeland Security. Wiretapping has been going on since before Nixon was in office. My point is that when we give in to pressure to reduce the rights that our Constitution has provided us, then we are opening ourselves up to even more rights being taken away. Ever hear the phrase, if you give an inch, they will take a mile? On a little side note, Japan imposed sanctions on our beef yesterday. The big push to put NAIS in place was to improve relations for more foreign exports of beef. Japan is one country that we were bargaining with. Even with NAIS plans somewhat in place, they still sanctioned the beef exports because they found bone fragments in the meat. Should be interesting to see what the NAIS Committee spins that tidbit of information. The published propaganda about NAIS was intended to only outline the benefits of the draft. One key point was the fact that there will be benefits (meaning more exports) for those who participate. Taiwan had just lifted it's sanctions 2 weeks ago. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I agree Tornado Alley GoatsBoers & Nubiansville, AR "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety " Ben lin 1759 IF YOU GOT IT A TRUCKER BROUGHT IT Re: Reply to Nais poll <<So far it looks like the majority of people don't want to ban the talk about NAIS. If you can't beat them, join them is the old saying.Soon they will be putting computer chips in humans to keep track of people. I don't think any group will be able to stop this movement. Seems like to me wasted energy trying to stop it.>> It is a really good thing that the people in the raw milk movement don't think like you or there would be no one trying to get new legislations passed so that all these frustrated people can easily find raw milk. Truth be known the word "banned" makes me think censorship which goes against freedom of speech. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 It's the passive thinking that will allow this to go forward. Glad most people don't think they should sit back and have their rights eroded. K.C. Re: Reply to Nais poll Debbie I was talking about NAIS. Trying to stop NAIS is a waste of time. I don't think Nais will deter people from drinking raw milk. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it. & Debbie Chikousky wrote: energy trying to stop it.>> It is a really good thing that the people in the raw milk movement don't think like you or there would be no one trying to get new legislations passed so that all these frustrated people can easily find raw milk. Truth be known the word "banned" makes me think censorship which goes against freedom of speech. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 So... according to this, we all need to be breeding for boneless beef to avoid the problem of bone fragments! just kidding! Some people just can't be pleased no matter what you try. Keep up all the good work & fight the good fight! Steph in Wyominggoatlattedoe@... wrote: Truth be known the word "banned" makes me think censorship which goes against freedom of speech. Amen Debbie! What is truly sad, is to see just how many people aren't even considering the consequences of the NAIS program. If folks think in terms of what will come next, it might be a different story. Society has converted people into only thinking of what will effect them personally. So NAIS may not effect farmer Bob too much because he already has been tagging his cows for years, but look what it does to farmer Greta who is forced to sell off all her beloved livestock because the regulations drive her sales away. I posed a question on the Goat ID group and only one person responded...... How much is a person's privacy worth to them? Do the so called benefits of NAIS outweigh the cost of one's privacy? If you listen to the news reports, there has been a lot of controversy lately regarding the Federal Government wiretapping even though it violates the Constitution. Rationale was that it fell under the umbrella of Homeland Security. Wiretapping has been going on since before Nixon was in office. My point is that when we give in to pressure to reduce the rights that our Constitution has provided us, then we are opening ourselves up to even more rights being taken away. Ever hear the phrase, if you give an inch, they will take a mile? On a little side note, Japan imposed sanctions on our beef yesterday. The big push to put NAIS in place was to improve relations for more foreign exports of beef. Japan is one country that we were bargaining with. Even with NAIS plans somewhat in place, they still sanctioned the beef exports because they found bone fragments in the meat. Should be interesting to see what the NAIS Committee spins that tidbit of information. The published propaganda about NAIS was intended to only outline the benefits of the draft. One key point was the fact that there will be benefits (meaning more exports) for those who participate. Taiwan had just lifted it's sanctions 2 weeks ago. le Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Boneless beef? Why not? We're already breeding boneless chickens aren't we. I mean, isn't that where boneless chicken wings come from? Coombes Beaverton, OR -----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of nelsonSent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:45 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Reply to Nais poll So... according to this, we all need to be breeding for boneless beef to avoid the problem of bone fragments! just kidding! Some people just can't be pleased no matter what you try. Keep up all the good work & fight the good fight! Steph in Wyoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 You crack me up. I'm envisoning my chickens walking around with with wings haning down to the ground. Funny when I grow meat birds, and I want to cut them up after getting them back from the butcher, I need to use a nice big clever to break up the bones. It must cost the Japanese a small fortune to get boneless beef from us. Look at what we pay for the stuff WITH the bones in it. The other day I got a package of rib bones for the dogs and they had the same price on them, per pound, as the ones they were selling for people to BBQ. Just unbelievable. I guess those were the ones they DIDN'T ship to Japan. K.C. RE: Reply to Nais poll Boneless beef? Why not? We're already breeding boneless chickens aren't we. I mean, isn't that where boneless chicken wings come from? Coombes Beaverton, OR -----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of nelsonSent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:45 AMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Reply to Nais poll So... according to this, we all need to be breeding for boneless beef to avoid the problem of bone fragments! just kidding! Some people just can't be pleased no matter what you try. Keep up all the good work & fight the good fight! Steph in Wyoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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