RE: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

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All refrigerators have a thermostat and if you adjust the temp till you get

to 55, it should stay there.

I have an extra fridge out in the shop (part of the garage) and although I

keep it set at it's highest for the storage of my milk, I found that the

crisper for veggies is just right for aging my cheese. You just have to put

a glass of water in there for the moisture as a refrigerator is very dry.

The meat dept. is colder for obvious reasons. Could be that the veggie

crispers are where they are because the coils and stuff are at the bottom of

the fridge and it's easier to keep them more regulated.

I'm planning on getting one of those small office type refrigerators. I

hear they are easy to keep at 55 and are just perfect for small cheesemaking

and stuff.

K.C.

Re: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

> K.C.,

>

>>>>I was laughing because I could just invision this man's

> kitchen full of refrigerators set to 55 degrees loaded with tons

> of cheese and then he would have to move out or get a trailor to

> put on the property for the excess.<<<

>

> Very funny imagery.

>

> So, can a person set their fridge to 55°F and make it stay

> constant? I thought I saw something at cheesemaking.com that was

> some little device, cost under $100 and I got the impression it

> could fix the fridge at a set temp.

>

> Thanks,

> Starlene

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The way I see it, the people with the children could get together and file a

class action suit under the same theory aginst the government.

It really pisses me off when the gov thinks they can control every move you

make when it comes to some things and allows the type of crap in the

vaccines they do. I have stayed out of this because it really gets my ire

up.

There has to be one good attorney in that state that is willing to fight the

good fight for these people. What about the ACLU? Doesn't this fall under

Civil Liberties?

K.C.

Re: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

WOW! Now that is a good point, K.C. I wish there was a way for the

Pucketts to use this argument. I mean, doesn't this apply to their

situation, you think?

>

> MessageI don't see that happening soon. If that's the case the

Stock Exchange would have to also close down. Consider all the shares

people own of all the companies around the world. Stock is only

another word for shares. When a person buys stock, they get a shares

certificate indicating how many shares they have purchased. However,

that does not give the shareholders the right to walk in and take over

the company, run it as they see fit. They are give the right to vote

when the company is talking about changes, etc. but that's it.

>

> That's where I got the idea of a share cert for my cow share

program. If the gov came in and tried to exert the type of law you

are talking about, a good attorney could blow them out of the water

with the above scenario.

>

> K.C.

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I'm not sure I totally understand this. But, I hold the controlling share of my cow. Each person only gets one share and as the cow gets older (up to a point) her value grows, so no one person ever has more then I do. I would never sell more shares then the cow is worth and/or the milk she can produce.

Whether the owner of a cow or a company, there has to be a controlling interest in that entity. Someone has to be in control, take care of what is necessary, etc.

K.C.

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What I have to question about this though is that shareholders in a company that do not hold more than 50% cannot make these kind of decisions either yet it still entitles them to income etc as per their shareholder agreements. It is very common for a person to hold onto the controlling share when they take on investors so why isn't this being banned?

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

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I've heard good things about sheep's milk too. Thanks for another great suggestion.

-----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of TinybabeSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:08 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

You might even consider a sheep. The milk is absolutely wonderful from what I've heard....like drinking a milk shake. Of course you would have to find someone who is doing that in your area. From what I've heard, more and more people are getting into milking sheep.

K.C.

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Another good idea. Thanks .

Re: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

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You could also think about getting a whole bunch of you together and

going in on the cow on your own, the same way you would in a cow

share, except it really IS you all, with the receipt and everything

to prove it. We have thought many times about doing this in TN, to

make it affordable for everyone....one family or person can't drink

16 gallons of milk.

Just a thought.

D.

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K.C.,

Do you know if the mini jerseys have a higher butterfat average than the full size jerseys or is it about the same? Is your 16 gallons a week towards the end of her lactation? What was her peak? : ) Shery

Sunspring Ranch

Re: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

There is a misunderstanding here. I am not wanting to own the cow on paper. I actually want to own the cow.

Okay that is a whole different thing but and this is a huge but on our farm would be the issue of where the animal originally came from. If it was one of ours and I just had too many then great. But if you were to have to find a cow and bring it to a farm to board like horse owners do then that is different. I don't allow anything on here unless I,and only I, have the last say on where it came from. That even includes my husband which is by no means a worse farmer than I but he will tell anyone that I have researched a whole lot more about things than he has and I am more observant. Now I have refused several people that have wanted me to do just that because I didn't trust that the herd of goats didn't have CL or the cows didn't have e's and our vet is very concerned about a wide array of pathogens that could bring scours to our farm. Now on the positive I could see this working very well if a farmer had too many dairy animals and instead of selling them to outsiders sold them to boarders. You would have to come up with breeding policies etc but it is a good idea. You just might get a bit too much milk for one family though but you could always learn how to make cheese etc.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

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Peak lactation usually brings me 4 gallons a day with 2 milkings per day or 28 gallons a week.

A Jersey is a Jersey when it comes to butterfat. I have noticed that when you have individual Jerseys vs several that you are milking and pooling the milk from, the individual will have more butterfat and it's different in that it's richer. I have gotten milk from my friend who has a small Jersey dairy, doesn't use hormones or anything like that. Pastures on several acres and feeds good dairy quality alfalfa, but a prepared grain product made to her specifications. I do exactly the same execpt that I feed a regular grain with molasses. The milk from my friend's cows tasted great, but the cream was just not as rich or thick and there wasn't as much per gallon as I get.

The top 1/4 to 1/3 of each gallon I get from Margie is cream. Naturally, the top is very thick and then you have the lighter cream.

Margie had her calf at the end of May, so I've been milking for 7 months. I normally go to one time a day in the winter because I just don't hold up well in the really cold weather and the nights are killer for me. If I were milking 2 times a day and feeding grain each time, I'm sure I would be getting closer to 3 gallons a day, but I stopped her evening grain, so she has slowed down considerably. I do notice that the cream is thicker in the winter months.

She will slow even more during the next couple of months. My shareholders won't be happy when I stop because she's not going to calf again till Aug and I have to stop so I can work on the gardens and cleaning up the cow area from the winter. People who don't milk and don't have cows don't realize the time involved in milking even one, when you take good care of the cow and the milk she gives. Like in this winter muckyland time, just washing the udder so all the crap doesn't fall into the bucket takes some time. And even though I clean her well, you never know what might get in there, so I'm double filtering the milk to make sure it's really clean. As I mentioned once before, if I don't like what I see in the filters, the milk gets heat treated and I use it for cheese for myself. I never take a chance.

K.C.

Re: True Cow Ownership vs. Cow Shares

There is a misunderstanding here. I am not wanting to own the cow on paper. I actually want to own the cow.

Okay that is a whole different thing but and this is a huge but on our farm would be the issue of where the animal originally came from. If it was one of ours and I just had too many then great. But if you were to have to find a cow and bring it to a farm to board like horse owners do then that is different. I don't allow anything on here unless I,and only I, have the last say on where it came from. That even includes my husband which is by no means a worse farmer than I but he will tell anyone that I have researched a whole lot more about things than he has and I am more observant. Now I have refused several people that have wanted me to do just that because I didn't trust that the herd of goats didn't have CL or the cows didn't have e's and our vet is very concerned about a wide array of pathogens that could bring scours to our farm. Now on the positive I could see this working very well if a farmer had too many dairy animals and instead of selling them to outsiders sold them to boarders. You would have to come up with breeding policies etc but it is a good idea. You just might get a bit too much milk for one family though but you could always learn how to make cheese etc.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

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Hi K.C., thanks for this information. Starlene

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> All refrigerators have a thermostat and if you adjust the temp

till you get

> to 55, it should stay there.