Re: position to diagnose posterior tongue tie?

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why don't you go to Dr. Kotlow's conference on the 19th and find out? That's exactly why I'm going. I want to see what he sees. Dana Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and

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Just got a call from a client I referred a client to Dr. Kotlow for laser revision of a PTT – she went! (after 2 ENTs had told her “some babies just aren’t meant to breastfeed…â€). She was so delighted with her experience. Dr. Kotlow told her he can ONLY diagnose a PTT by examining the baby in this position: with baby on the mother’s lap, with baby’s feet by mothers tummy, and Dr. Kotlow at the baby’s head (looking down at baby, with baby’s eyes closer to Dr. K’s tummy than baby’s mouth). You can see a picture at: http://www.kiddsteeth.com/nursingbookaugfc2011.pdf My question is - why is that position necessary to diagnose PTT? I have been assessing baby

sitting up facing me or turned to the side. Please enlighten me, oh wise women. Thanks! Rosen, IBCLC in NJ

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Oooh! A conference with Dr. Kotlow??? Can you share more information? That sounds fabulous!

Tatiana Indrisek, IBCLCwww.mamasmilkandmore.comLoving Support for Pregnancy, Birth and Breastfeeding

why don't you go to Dr. Kotlow's conference on the 19th and find out? That's exactly why I'm going. I want to see what he sees. Dana Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and

baby

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sounds to me like he just has a better view in this position. i always have baby's head tipped back so his mouth will gape open easily... Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.comwww.facebook.com/thesecond9months.--- From: Rosen

Subject: position to diagnose posterior tongue tie?To: LCinPP , Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 3:03 PM

Just got a call from a client I referred a client to Dr. Kotlow for laser revision of a PTT – she went! (after 2 ENTs had told her “some babies just aren’t meant to breastfeed…â€). She was so delighted with her experience. Dr. Kotlow told her he can ONLY diagnose a PTT by examining the baby in this position: with baby on the mother’s lap, with baby’s feet by mothers tummy, and Dr. Kotlow at the baby’s head (looking down at baby, with baby’s eyes closer to Dr. K’s tummy than baby’s mouth). You can see a picture at: http://www.kiddsteeth.com/nursingbookaugfc2011.pdf My question

is - why is that position necessary to diagnose PTT? I have been assessing baby sitting up facing me or turned to the side. Please enlighten me, oh wise women. Thanks! Rosen, IBCLC in NJ

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Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and babyTo: Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:07 PMSubject: Re: position to diagnose posterior tongue tie?

Oooh! A conference with Dr. Kotlow??? Can you share more information? That sounds fabulous!

Tatiana Indrisek, IBCLCwww.mamasmilkandmore.comLoving Support for Pregnancy, Birth and Breastfeeding

why don't you go to Dr. Kotlow's conference on the 19th and find out? That's exactly why I'm going. I want to see what he sees. Dana Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and

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Thanks, Dana and .  I’d love to see Dr. Kotlow speak. I know Albany’s not horribly far from me, but I wonder if he ever comes to the NYC area… From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dana SchmidtSent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:06 PMTo: Subject: Re: position to diagnose posterior tongue tie? why don't you go to Dr. Kotlow's conference on the 19th and find out? That's exactly why I'm going. I want to see what he sees. Dana Dana Schmidt, BS, RN, IBCLCCradlehold, DirectorBreastfeeding Education & Supportwww.cradlehold.nethttp://breastfeedinghomevisitservices.weebly.com/shop.htmlProviding the minimum amount of intervention for the minimum amount of time for maximum benefit to mother and baby To: LCinPP ; Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:03 PMSubject: position to diagnose posterior tongue tie? Just got a call from a client I referred a client to Dr. Kotlow for laser revision of a PTT – she went! (after 2 ENTs had told her “some babies just aren’t meant to breastfeed…â€). She was so delighted with her experience. Dr. Kotlow told her he can ONLY diagnose a PTT by examining the baby in this position: with baby on the mother’s lap, with baby’s feet by mothers tummy, and Dr. Kotlow at the baby’s head (looking down at baby, with baby’s eyes closer to Dr. K’s tummy than baby’s mouth). You can see a picture at: http://www.kiddsteeth.com/nursingbookaugfc2011.pdf My question is - why is that position necessary to diagnose PTT? I have been assessing baby sitting up facing me or turned to the side. Please enlighten me, oh wise women. Thanks! Rosen, IBCLC in NJ

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I can usually find the ptt with my finger in doing a sweep under the

tongue or see it when baby is crying, but I will say the position that

Dr. Kotlow uses works really well to show the parents what you are

feeling. It allows baby to gape wide and you can easily press on

either side of the frenum to really make the frenum pop out so that

the parents can see what you see and feel. With the submucousal ones,

sometimes it really is the only way you can truly " see " the tie well.

Deirdre Cannon, IBCLC

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Quoting Rosen :

> Just got a call from a client I referred a client to Dr. Kotlow for laser

> revision of a PTT - she went! (after 2 ENTs had told her " some babies just

> aren't meant to breastfeed. " ). She was so delighted with her experience.

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> Dr. Kotlow told her he can ONLY diagnose a PTT by examining the baby in this

> position: with baby on the mother's lap, with baby's feet by mothers tummy,

> and Dr. Kotlow at the baby's head (looking down at baby, with baby's eyes

> closer to Dr. K's tummy than baby's mouth). You can see a picture at:

> http://www.kiddsteeth.com/nursingbookaugfc2011.pdf

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> My question is - why is that position necessary to diagnose PTT? I have

> been assessing baby sitting up facing me or turned to the side. Please

> enlighten me, oh wise women. Thanks!

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> Rosen, IBCLC in NJ

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I've never looked at a baby's tongue from this angle (top of the head) , but I know this is how Dr. does the release. See his video on http://www.tonguetieclipit.com. I will start looking today.

Anne Grider, IBCLC

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Does Dr. Kotlow ever speak to seeing an increased incidence of tongue tie?  Does anyone know if he has an opinion or theories on the matter?  I'd be curious to know (since I'm in NY and he is on my resource list -- wonder what he's thinking).  

warmly,Deirdre

 

 

I've never looked at a baby's tongue  from this angle (top of the head) , but I know this is how Dr. does the release. See his video on http://www.tonguetieclipit.com.  I will start looking today.

 

Anne Grider, IBCLC

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I believe that there is an increased AWARENESS of tongue tie.Mothers are becoming better educated about latch, and are more likely to find out why their baby has trouble latching and/or they are experiencing pain whilst nursing. TT is often the reason, and now they are more likely to persist in finding a solution, rather than wean to a bottle. Similarly, doctors and dentists are becoming better educated on this topic, although many as still insisting that there is no such thing or it doesn't matter.

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Does Dr. Kotlow ever speak to seeing an increased incidence of tongue tie?  Does anyone know if he has an opinion or theories on the matter?  I'd be curious to know (since I'm in NY and he is on my resource list -- wonder what he's thinking).  

warmly,Deirdre

 

 

I've never looked at a baby's tongue  from this angle (top of the head) , but I know this is how Dr. does the release. See his video on http://www.tonguetieclipit.com.  I will start looking today.

 

Anne Grider, IBCLC

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I had the opportunity to ask him this question when he came to speak in Texas. He said that he thinks it is that we are more aware and getting better at diagnosing, not that there are more tongue ties now.

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Re: position to diagnose posterior tongue tie?

Does Dr. Kotlow ever speak to seeing an increased incidence of tongue tie? Does anyone know if he has an opinion or theories on the matter? I'd be curious to know (since I'm in NY and he is on my resource list -- wonder what he's thinking).

warmly,

Deirdre

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I'm no scientist but it seems to me that if TT were this prevalent all along in human history, we'd have died out as a species.  I know there was/is a huge gap in recognizing them due to babies going unobserved.  I get that generations of families and physicians simply missed, ignored and/or dismissed them due to the predominant formula & bottle culture, but golly ... really?  It has always been thus, just gone undetected?  I can't imagine that something so critical to the survival of the species would evolve as flawed in so many human newborns.  I'd love some anthropological insight into this. 

respectfully & unscientifically submitted,Deirdre 

 

I had the opportunity to ask him this question when he came to speak in Texas.  He said that he thinks it is that we are more aware and getting better at diagnosing, not that there are more tongue ties now. 

 

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Does Dr. Kotlow ever speak to seeing an increased incidence of tongue tie?  Does anyone know if he has an opinion or theories on the matter?  I'd be curious to know (since I'm in NY and he is on my resource list -- wonder what he's thinking).  

warmly,

Deirdre

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Don't forget that LCs are seeing babies with PROBLEMS, so it seems logical to me that in the population that seeks out breastfeeding help there would be a much higher percentage of TTed infants compared to the rate in the general population.  I too don't have any science to back this up, though!

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I'm no scientist but it seems to me that if TT were this prevalent all along in human history, we'd have died out as a species.  I know there was/is a huge gap in recognizing them due to babies going unobserved.  I get that generations of families and physicians simply missed, ignored and/or dismissed them due to the predominant formula & bottle culture, but golly ... really?  It has always been thus, just gone undetected?  I can't imagine that something so critical to the survival of the species would evolve as flawed in so many human newborns.  I'd love some anthropological insight into this. 

respectfully & unscientifically submitted,Deirdre 

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I have pondered this question too, particularly after a week when I feel

like I've seen tongue ties galore. My personal (and completely

unscientific) speculation is that the increased incidence may be

nutritionally related. I agree with Norma that TT is more recognized

but I think it might go beyond that too. When I think about the

standard American diet, full of processed foods and refined sugars,

American reliance on vitamins instead of real, whole foods for

pregnancy, coupled with the fact that many women of childbearing age

were not breastfed as babies and have bodies that were developed based

on the substandard nutrition of formula, I just feel like there has to

be a connection to how this next generation of babies are developing in

utero. I'm not blaming mothers individually but more thinking about the

cascade of unintended consequences that has happened as a result of the

culturally " normal " American diet and lifestyle.

Just my musings...

Carroll

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> Does Dr. Kotlow ever speak to seeing an increased incidence of tongue

tie? Does anyone know if he has an opinion or theories on the matter?

I'd be

> curious to know (since I'm in NY and he is on my resource list --

wonder what he's thinking).

warmly,

> Deirdre

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