Re: the effects psychological or physical??? what you think???

[Guest guest]

Parkinson's Disease is related to a severe deficiency of the

neurotransmitter dopamine.

I fixed my erection problems with zinc supplements, so definitely physical.

Shay

nemo.shark wrote:

>

> id like to ask you people that have experienced erection problems

> after coming of ssris weather you think the problem is physical or

> psychological?

>

> im down with a bit of both, but i don't think the psychological

> effects are truly psychological in nature, but an effect that the

> drug has had to change/damage brain cells and receptors.

>

> parkinson's disease is physical condition, but there's nothing to

> distinguish it from a psychological condition like the lack of a

> certain neurotransmitter or transmitters, just like other

> psychological conditions.

>

> as ive experienced sexual side effects after coming off an ssri that

> i had only been taking for 8 days, i woulds say that in my case and

> maybe in others that the effects were on both the brain and genitals.

>

> you all know about an mri don't you? or magnetic resonance imaging,

> well fmri is a functional version of this and it shows what areas of

> the brain are being used at what times during specific thoughts

> feelings and emotions your having, different regions of the brain are

> active at different times this shows up on fmri as different parts of

> the brain lighting up with increased blood flow.

>

> now if your on these drugs and its in your blood while your having

> sex then those regions of the brain are going to be active with

> increased blood flow delivering the drug intensely to that area for

> prolonged periods of time, thus damaging or changing functions in

> those areas either by a toxic or other unknown effect.

>

> coincidentally or maybe not! the other region where there is

> increased blood flow during sexual activity is the sexual organs them

> selves and a similar effect would probably be happening there also.

>

> the effects i experienced were after 8 days on the drugs and i did

> have a lot of sex during those 8 days because i could not climax

> while i was on them, so i would say the effects of the ssris are on

> the area of the brain associated with sex and on the genitals

> directly.

>

> its just a theory but im probably correct.

>

> now anyone that just read trough all that and is still awake, have

> you heard about a treatment called hMaxi-K?

>

> do a search for erectile dysfunction and hMaxi-K i believe it may

> offer hope in future.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi shay, yeah i know parkinson's is caused by a deficiency in

dopamine as doctors scientists have discovered so far, they have also

discovered that serotonin has a role to play in parkinson's also.

my point was if parkinson's is known to be caused by a deficiency in

dopamine then which is a neurotransmitter then why do they not class

this as a psychological disorder?

because depression is also supposedly caused by a deficiency in

neurotransmitters noradrenaline and serotonin.

so why cant these deficiency's also have a physical cause like in the

case of parkinson's?

you see these sexual side effects may present as psychological but

truly they probably have a physical cause as result of taking the

ssris...

you say cured your problems by taking zinc?

i have also been taking zinc for a few weeks now...

i think a zinc deficiency will show its self with a changes to your

nails did you notice anything in that respect?

how long did you have your side effects for? and how long did it take

before you started to notice a difference from taking zinc?

do you recon that it maybe a possibility that your problem was cured

by simple time, or are you adamant about zinc having a role to play?

> >

> > id like to ask you people that have experienced erection problems

> > after coming of ssris weather you think the problem is physical or

> > psychological?

> >

> > im down with a bit of both, but i don't think the psychological

> > effects are truly psychological in nature, but an effect that the

> > drug has had to change/damage brain cells and receptors.

> >

> > parkinson's disease is physical condition, but there's nothing to

> > distinguish it from a psychological condition like the lack of a

> > certain neurotransmitter or transmitters, just like other

> > psychological conditions.

> >

> > as ive experienced sexual side effects after coming off an ssri

that

> > i had only been taking for 8 days, i woulds say that in my case

and

> > maybe in others that the effects were on both the brain and

genitals.

> >

> > you all know about an mri don't you? or magnetic resonance

imaging,

> > well fmri is a functional version of this and it shows what areas

of

> > the brain are being used at what times during specific thoughts

> > feelings and emotions your having, different regions of the brain

are

> > active at different times this shows up on fmri as different

parts of

> > the brain lighting up with increased blood flow.

> >

> > now if your on these drugs and its in your blood while your having

> > sex then those regions of the brain are going to be active with

> > increased blood flow delivering the drug intensely to that area

for

> > prolonged periods of time, thus damaging or changing functions in

> > those areas either by a toxic or other unknown effect.

> >

> > coincidentally or maybe not! the other region where there is

> > increased blood flow during sexual activity is the sexual organs

them

> > selves and a similar effect would probably be happening there

also.

> >

> > the effects i experienced were after 8 days on the drugs and i did

> > have a lot of sex during those 8 days because i could not climax

> > while i was on them, so i would say the effects of the ssris are

on

> > the area of the brain associated with sex and on the genitals

> > directly.

> >

> > its just a theory but im probably correct.

> >

> > now anyone that just read trough all that and is still awake, have

> > you heard about a treatment called hMaxi-K?

> >

> > do a search for erectile dysfunction and hMaxi-K i believe it may

> > offer hope in future.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Shay, zinc is excellent for your low testosterone level as zinc

increases testosterone and libido. I've read in one of your older

posts your blood test results which show you have high thyroxine (T4)

which is outside the normal reference range. High thyroxine by itself

is sufficient to cause PSSD symptoms. I too have high thyroxine

(caused by the SSRIs ?) and am on medication to reduce it. It's a

pity your doctor didn't put you on medication to reduce your high

thyroxine. In my opinion and experience, the SSRIs could cause some

to have an (sub-clinical) over-active thyroid (hyperthyroidism) or

others to have an (sub-clinical) under-active (hypothyroidism)

thyroid. Both these conditions cause symptoms identical to PSSD

symptoms.

http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/zinc.txt

http://thyroid.about.com/od/symptomsrisks/a/mensexsymptoms.htm

http://www.raysahelian.com/thyroid.html

> >

> > id like to ask you people that have experienced erection problems

> > after coming of ssris weather you think the problem is physical or

> > psychological?

> >

> > im down with a bit of both, but i don't think the psychological

> > effects are truly psychological in nature, but an effect that the

> > drug has had to change/damage brain cells and receptors.

> >

> > parkinson's disease is physical condition, but there's nothing to

> > distinguish it from a psychological condition like the lack of a

> > certain neurotransmitter or transmitters, just like other

> > psychological conditions.

> >

> > as ive experienced sexual side effects after coming off an ssri

that

> > i had only been taking for 8 days, i woulds say that in my case

and

> > maybe in others that the effects were on both the brain and

genitals.

> >

> > you all know about an mri don't you? or magnetic resonance

imaging,

> > well fmri is a functional version of this and it shows what areas

of

> > the brain are being used at what times during specific thoughts

> > feelings and emotions your having, different regions of the brain

are

> > active at different times this shows up on fmri as different

parts of

> > the brain lighting up with increased blood flow.

> >

> > now if your on these drugs and its in your blood while your having

> > sex then those regions of the brain are going to be active with

> > increased blood flow delivering the drug intensely to that area

for

> > prolonged periods of time, thus damaging or changing functions in

> > those areas either by a toxic or other unknown effect.

> >

> > coincidentally or maybe not! the other region where there is

> > increased blood flow during sexual activity is the sexual organs

them

> > selves and a similar effect would probably be happening there

also.

> >

> > the effects i experienced were after 8 days on the drugs and i did

> > have a lot of sex during those 8 days because i could not climax

> > while i was on them, so i would say the effects of the ssris are

on

> > the area of the brain associated with sex and on the genitals

> > directly.

> >

> > its just a theory but im probably correct.

> >

> > now anyone that just read trough all that and is still awake, have

> > you heard about a treatment called hMaxi-K?

> >

> > do a search for erectile dysfunction and hMaxi-K i believe it may

> > offer hope in future.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The following website states that SSRIs can interfere with zinc

absorption.

" Unfortunately, many of these drugs [sSRIs] can interfere with zinc

absorption. Low levels of zinc in the body can not only lead to a

loss of appetite and fatigue (which can be exacerbated by anti-

depressants) but can also be a factor in the cause of depression

itself. "

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/before.htm

" Zinc is essential for optimal testosterone production.

One supplement that should be considered absolutely essential for

maintaining a man's testosterone levels is zinc. This busy mineral is

involved in almost every aspect of male reproduction, including

testosterone metabolism, sperm formation, and sperm motility.

Multiple studies have demonstrated the effectiveness of zinc in

treating male infertility due to low testosterone levels.26,27 A

prime example of the usefulness of zinc was illustrated in a study of

37 infertile men with decreased testosterone levels and associated

low sperm counts.28 The men were given 60 mg of zinc daily for 45-50

days. In 22 patients, testosterone levels significantly increased and

mean sperm count rose from 8 million to 20 million. "

I've read that a daily intake of 30mg - 50mg of zinc is required if

you have low testosterone. Over a period of months your testosterone

levels can double with zinc supplementation.

" Zinc status and serum testosterone levels of healthy adults.

Prasad AS, Mantzoros CS, Beck FW, Hess JW, Brewer GJ

Nutrition 1996 May 12:5 344-8

Abstract

Zinc deficiency is prevalent throughout the world, including the USA.

Severe and moderate deficiency of zinc is associated with

hypogonadism in men. However, the effect of marginal zinc deficiency

on serum testosterone concentration is not known. We studied the

relationship between cellular zinc concentrations and serum

testosterone cross-sectionally in 40 normal men, 20 to 80 y of age.

In four normal young men (27.5 +/- 0.5 y), we measured serum

testosterone before and during marginal zinc deficiency induced by

restricting dietary zinc intake. We also measured serum testosterone

in nine elderly men (64 +/- 9 y) who were marginally zinc deficient

before and after 3 to 6 mo of supplementation with 459 mumol/ d oral

zinc administered as zinc gluconate. Serum testosterone

concentrations were significantly correlated with cellular zinc

concentrations in the cross-sectional study (lymphocyte zinc versus

serum testosterone, r = 0.43, p = 0.006; granulocyte zinc versus

serum testosterone, r = 0.30, p = 0.03). Dietary zinc restriction in

normal young men was associated with a significant decrease in serum

testosterone concentrations after 20 weeks of zinc restriction

(baseline versus post-zinc restriction mean +/- SD, 39.9 +/- 7.1

versus 10.6 +/- 3.6 nmol/L, respectively; p = 0.005). Zinc

supplementation of marginally zinc-deficient normal elderly men for

six months resulted in an increase in serum testosterone from 8.3 +/-

6.3 to 16.0 +/- 4.4 nmol/L (p = 0.02). We conclude that zinc may play

an important role in modulating serum testosterone levels in normal

men. "

http://www.hankintatukku.com/medlineZn-2.html

[Guest guest]

Zinc helps prevent testosterone from aromatizing into estroidal, which

can also cause problems in men.

Also thyroid problems are often (almost always?)misdiagnosed as mental

illness. I know that not one nurse or doctor has ever done the testing

for the things that are listed to be a biological cause of depression.

It wouldn't surprise me if 500 million people were drugged with psych

drugs when all they had was a thyroid problem to begin with. And these

drugs only cause thyroid problems, hormonal problems, nutrient

absorption problems, and a host of other serious injury's. No wonder

the waring label says that these drugs cause depression, psychosis,

and other serious mental illnesses. The medical industry really

disgusts me.

>

> The following website states that SSRIs can interfere with zinc

> absorption.

>

> " Unfortunately, many of these drugs [sSRIs] can interfere with zinc

> absorption. Low levels of zinc in the body can not only lead to a

> loss of appetite and fatigue (which can be exacerbated by anti-

> depressants) but can also be a factor in the cause of depression

> itself. "

> http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/before.htm

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I should like to add that since being on the medication to reduce the

> high thyroxine in the blood, my dreaming during sleep has resumed as

> I wasn't having any dreams during sleep. The white moons on my

> fingernails have begun to slowly regrow as they had disaapeared

> because of the high thyroxine. I'm sure in time my libido will be

> fully restored but it takes time, often several months, to reduce the

> thyroxine and to get it under control.

>

Now here is the kind of post that I learn something from. A proactive

person who finds objective information and an objective solution.

We can all learn from this real world insight. Hat's off to you csln223!

Stay on track and keep doing what your doing. I look forward to

reading your posts in the future. Thank you for sharing.

[Guest guest]

That is interesting. I'm seeing my new, good doctor on Monday. He

mentioned last time that we would do a complete thyroid blood test after

seeing my high thyroxine. My symptoms list also pointed to high thyroid.

He mentioned that I also had symptoms of low thyroid, which could be the

T3. We'll see.

Shay

csln223 wrote:

>

> Thank you, survivor030406!

>

> Due to being on the medication (called Carbimazole in UK) to reduce

> the high thyroxine, I've been thinking alot about sex during the past

> two days. This is surprising because I last ejaculated three days ago

> and usually it takes 7 - 10 days for me to want sex again but already

> after 2 days I want sex! Also, I've started to like listening to

> music again. Further, the blood in the head of my penis was purple

> (perhaps due to the high thyroxine? I don't know) but now it's

> turning back to its normal red colour.

>

> In my case I'm beginning to believe that my PSSD has been caused by

> high thyroxine in the blood. I have had weak libido (often non-

> existant), weak ejaculations, weak orgasms, erections would subside

> if stimulation was stopped, etc.

>

> I would advise you all to have a thyroid blood test and especially

> for thyroxine (T4). Already there's another member here called Shay

> O'Neil who posted his blood test results in the past ahd he too, like

> myself, has high thyroxine (T4). When having a thyroid blood test,

> make sure the doctor tests for ALL the thyroid hormones. Some doctors

> just test for Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) and my TSH is within

> the normal reference range but the thyroxine (T4) is high and has

> been causing symptoms identical to PSSD symptoms. I think it's very

> likely the SSRIs also affect the thyroid and the thyroid hormone

> levels.

>

>

> > >

> > > I should like to add that since being on the medication to reduce

> the

> > > high thyroxine in the blood, my dreaming during sleep has resumed

> as

> > > I wasn't having any dreams during sleep. The white moons on my

> > > fingernails have begun to slowly regrow as they had disaapeared

> > > because of the high thyroxine. I'm sure in time my libido will be

> > > fully restored but it takes time, often several months, to reduce

> the

> > > thyroxine and to get it under control.

> > >

> > Now here is the kind of post that I learn something from. A

> proactive

> > person who finds objective information and an objective solution.

> > We can all learn from this real world insight. Hat's off to you

> csln223!

> > Stay on track and keep doing what your doing. I look forward to

> > reading your posts in the future. Thank you for sharing.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ive just looked at two of my old thyroid blood tests. here it is

TSH (1.54) for Range (0.49-4.67)

FREE T4 (1.06) for Range (0.71-1.85)

and another one taken later

T UPTAKE (33.4) for Range (27.8-40.7)

T-4 (8.0) for Range (4.5-12.0)

FTI (2.93) for Range (1.61-3.7)

TSH, ultra sensitive (2.93) for Range (0.27-4.20)

It says it is in the normal range but any of you guys test actually

go off the normal range ? or just high in the normal range ? what do

you guys think ?

> > > >

> > > > I should like to add that since being on the medication to

reduce

> > the

> > > > high thyroxine in the blood, my dreaming during sleep has

resumed

> > as

> > > > I wasn't having any dreams during sleep. The white moons on my

> > > > fingernails have begun to slowly regrow as they had

disaapeared

> > > > because of the high thyroxine. I'm sure in time my libido

will be

> > > > fully restored but it takes time, often several months, to

reduce

> > the

> > > > thyroxine and to get it under control.

> > > >

> > > Now here is the kind of post that I learn something from. A

> > proactive

> > > person who finds objective information and an objective

solution.

> > > We can all learn from this real world insight. Hat's off to you

> > csln223!

> > > Stay on track and keep doing what your doing. I look forward to

> > > reading your posts in the future. Thank you for sharing.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

One thing I just remembered is this one natural herbalist I saw long

time ago, mentioned she can see that my right side of my thyroid was

inflamed or bloated. I honestly thought she was talking BS because I

couldnt see it but maybe she was on to something, I duno.

> > > >

> > > > I should like to add that since being on the medication to

reduce

> > the

> > > > high thyroxine in the blood, my dreaming during sleep has

resumed

> > as

> > > > I wasn't having any dreams during sleep. The white moons on my

> > > > fingernails have begun to slowly regrow as they had

disaapeared

> > > > because of the high thyroxine. I'm sure in time my libido

will be

> > > > fully restored but it takes time, often several months, to

reduce

> > the

> > > > thyroxine and to get it under control.

> > > >

> > > Now here is the kind of post that I learn something from. A

> > proactive

> > > person who finds objective information and an objective

solution.

> > > We can all learn from this real world insight. Hat's off to you

> > csln223!

> > > Stay on track and keep doing what your doing. I look forward to

> > > reading your posts in the future. Thank you for sharing.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It would be fascinating if you got an mri or an x-ray should proved

the natural herbalist correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > I should like to add that since being on the medication to

> reduce

> > > the

> > > > > high thyroxine in the blood, my dreaming during sleep has

> resumed

> > > as

> > > > > I wasn't having any dreams during sleep. The white moons on my

> > > > > fingernails have begun to slowly regrow as they had

> disaapeared

> > > > > because of the high thyroxine. I'm sure in time my libido

> will be

> > > > > fully restored but it takes time, often several months, to

> reduce

> > > the

> > > > > thyroxine and to get it under control.

> > > > >

> > > > Now here is the kind of post that I learn something from. A

> > > proactive

> > > > person who finds objective information and an objective

> solution.

> > > > We can all learn from this real world insight. Hat's off to you

> > > csln223!

> > > > Stay on track and keep doing what your doing. I look forward to

> > > > reading your posts in the future. Thank you for sharing.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

never thought of that.. good idea.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I should like to add that since being on the medication

to

> > reduce

> > > > the

> > > > > > high thyroxine in the blood, my dreaming during sleep has

> > resumed

> > > > as

> > > > > > I wasn't having any dreams during sleep. The white moons

on my

> > > > > > fingernails have begun to slowly regrow as they had

> > disaapeared

> > > > > > because of the high thyroxine. I'm sure in time my libido

> > will be

> > > > > > fully restored but it takes time, often several months,

to

> > reduce

> > > > the

> > > > > > thyroxine and to get it under control.

> > > > > >

> > > > > Now here is the kind of post that I learn something from. A

> > > > proactive

> > > > > person who finds objective information and an objective

> > solution.

> > > > > We can all learn from this real world insight. Hat's off to

you

> > > > csln223!

> > > > > Stay on track and keep doing what your doing. I look

forward to

> > > > > reading your posts in the future. Thank you for sharing.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>