Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 i did a cortisol test 6 months after i got pssd it was on the low side anyway. i think stablon is somthing to definitely consider as over time it would fill back up the neurons that were depleted of serotonin by the ssri's. the only reservation i have about it is the ssri's are selective and this drug will fill fill up all serotonon neurons. but its should block most synaptic transmissions of serotonin wile your taking it, if its the activity of these pathways that are getting in the way of your sex drive its possible that you may get an immediate effect. remember its serotonin re uptake that generates neural nitric oxide, this could take a while to get back up to a normal level. > > Hey Nero, I have a link and some potential good news. > > http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000A30FD-3AC2-10B2- > BAC283414B7F0000 > > Exercise (particularly treadmill exericise like treadmill running) > may have a number of good effects. > > Some scientists believe that it can help repair neurons. Somne > scientist believe that it can help produce lots of good hormones, > including the " exercise hormone " which is stronger than serotonin or > dopamine. Some scientists even believe that it may help strengthen > the synapses. > > Most people in the group have found positive effects after exercise. > But I beleive these effectsd could be strengthened with treatment. > > However, i would also like to note that people who suffer from pssd > often take uneffective exercise I believe. PSSD leaves all kind of > gunk in the blood like cortisol, histamines, and prolactin. If your > dopamine levels are low it may be difficult to get the benefit from > exercise and you may even produce more cortisol. > > Something that the docs don't tell you - cortisol (the stress > hormone) damages good neurons such as dopamine and serotonin. That's > why some people noticed some bnenefits from stablon. Stablon lowers > cortisol and stops this process from taking place. > > I think if we knocked out the histamines, cortisol and prolactin, > then exercised regularly, we may be able to get long term benefits > after a year or something. There are various options for lowering > cortisol levels. > > I think its also possible that the original cause of PSSD is that > ssris raise cortisol (another thing the docs don't tell you). At very > high levels cortisol will really fuck up your neurons over time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 you know oxygen is toxic believe it or not, it could be that the smaller new connections in the serotonin pathways made by depleting the neurons of serotonin, are actually more prone to damage of this kind and killing a few connections gets you out of the fucked up state of mind that the ssris have created and allows you to shift your thoughts away from that and on to sex. > > > > i know survivor told me that there was an experiment where rats were > > given citalopram and the ones that were given a running wheel > > regained there sexual abilities and the ones that were not given a > > running wheel didnt regain it. > > > > if anyone has got a link to that research can you post it up here? > > > > i know that its believed that this is because running stimulates > > nitric oxide in the brain, but could it also be down to lactic acid? > > > > i know that lactic acid can chelate (bind to and remove) mercury from > > the body, if this effect is also taking place with the fluorine in > > the ssri's it could also be having an effect to explain the recovery. > > > > survivor told me it was down to more oxygen in the brain, if this is > > the case its reminded me of when i went on ssri's the first time 6-7 > > years ago, i did not get pssd the first time on them allbeit i was on > > them for a much longer time. > > > > i looked back and thought there was one difference between me then > > and me now and it was that i was a smoker and thought this may have > > had some sort of protective effect. > > > > thinking back to that first time on them though it became apparent > > there was one other difference, i used to bleach my hair. every week > > i would touch up the roots with hydrogenproxide. > > > > i read that bleaching your hair with hydrogen peroxide gives you > > slight brain damage, when i used to wash the stuff off the veins all > > over my scalp were inflated and throbbing. > > > > i know this would have got more oxygen to my brain. > > > > this could be the reason why ginkgo biloba scores highly in the > > polls, mountaineers take it to stave off hypoxia (lack of oxygen to > > the brain) when climbing at altitude. > > > > i think there's even hydrogen peroxide drugs or supplements with > > oxygen in them. > > > > you could even inhale pure oxygen at the same time as running on a > > treadmill. > > > > i know that brian beesley started running before christmas and he > > hasn't posted any messages since then, has anyone contacted him to > > see how it was going? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 The word " selective " in the SSRI description of these drugs is an actual lie. There is really nothing " selective " about them. These drugs also deplete dopamine, that's why they can also cause parkinson side effects. You really need to discriminate carefully between the corporate hype and legitamate science before any plausable theory can be deduced. There isn't even any legitamate research proving that serotonin is a cause of depression. One third of the corporate research is hidden from the FDA and doctors because the data is negative. These drugs are actually in the same class as fen-phen and redux that were banned by the FDA, and you can bet that those weren't happy pills either. " the only reservation i have about it is the ssri's are selective and this drug will fill fill up all serotonon neurons. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 SSRI drugs shut off the oxygen supply to the brain, just like alcohol. That's why these drugs put people in a stupor or the zombie state. Where did you hear that oxygen is toxic? Link please? > > > > > > i know survivor told me that there was an experiment where rats > were > > > given citalopram and the ones that were given a running wheel > > > regained there sexual abilities and the ones that were not given > a > > > running wheel didnt regain it. > > > > > > if anyone has got a link to that research can you post it up here? > > > > > > i know that its believed that this is because running stimulates > > > nitric oxide in the brain, but could it also be down to lactic > acid? > > > > > > i know that lactic acid can chelate (bind to and remove) mercury > from > > > the body, if this effect is also taking place with the fluorine > in > > > the ssri's it could also be having an effect to explain the > recovery. > > > > > > survivor told me it was down to more oxygen in the brain, if this > is > > > the case its reminded me of when i went on ssri's the first time > 6-7 > > > years ago, i did not get pssd the first time on them allbeit i > was on > > > them for a much longer time. > > > > > > i looked back and thought there was one difference between me > then > > > and me now and it was that i was a smoker and thought this may > have > > > had some sort of protective effect. > > > > > > thinking back to that first time on them though it became > apparent > > > there was one other difference, i used to bleach my hair. every > week > > > i would touch up the roots with hydrogenproxide. > > > > > > i read that bleaching your hair with hydrogen peroxide gives you > > > slight brain damage, when i used to wash the stuff off the veins > all > > > over my scalp were inflated and throbbing. > > > > > > i know this would have got more oxygen to my brain. > > > > > > this could be the reason why ginkgo biloba scores highly in the > > > polls, mountaineers take it to stave off hypoxia (lack of oxygen > to > > > the brain) when climbing at altitude. > > > > > > i think there's even hydrogen peroxide drugs or supplements with > > > oxygen in them. > > > > > > you could even inhale pure oxygen at the same time as running on > a > > > treadmill. > > > > > > i know that brian beesley started running before christmas and he > > > hasn't posted any messages since then, has anyone contacted him > to > > > see how it was going? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Has serotonin uptake actually been lowered though? Its possible that we just aren't producing as much serotonin, don't you think? Serotonin re uptake is definetely better than when taking an sri. When I was taking st s Wort, I noticed a substantial difference to when taking 5HTP. this seems to suggest a rise in cortosol and lowered nitric oxide whilst on st johns wort, but not whilst on 5 HTP? A lot of other people on the site have taken stablon. Most people sya that it is not a miracle cure. But I think it would require lots of hard running and weight lifting to repair your neurons wholst taking the stuff. We could potentially get a similar effect with decaffinated tea because that also lowers cortisol? I think a mixture of exercise and low cortisol is essential. I'll have a look at the stuff you found on nitric oxide and serotonin reuptake as well. Definetely worth trying the noni, although men don't seem to be taking it for ED. Is that just lack of knowledge do you think? Or maybe because it is more expensive than a lot of the crap herbal ED pills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 i think when someone comes across something that raises endothelial nitric oxide levels in cells they dont automatically assume it will help there erections. nitric oxide in the brain is generated by uptake of serotonin, what has the ssri been preventing? remember if your taking stablon and you are deficient in b1 b2 or b6 and possibly not getting enough tryptphan in the diet its effects would be limited to what ever serotonin you already have left over form your ssri use. id recommend a b complex vitamin and to drink a few glasses of milk per day with stablon. it mentions here in fig1 that serotonin uptake and nitric oxide are linked. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1876516 > > Has serotonin uptake actually been lowered though? Its possible that we > just aren't producing as much serotonin, don't you think? > > Serotonin re uptake is definetely better than when taking an sri. When > I was taking st s Wort, I noticed a substantial difference to when > taking 5HTP. this seems to suggest a rise in cortosol and lowered > nitric oxide whilst on st johns wort, but not whilst on 5 HTP? > > A lot of other people on the site have taken stablon. Most people sya > that it is not a miracle cure. But I think it would require lots of > hard running and weight lifting to repair your neurons wholst taking > the stuff. > > We could potentially get a similar effect with decaffinated tea because > that also lowers cortisol? > > I think a mixture of exercise and low cortisol is essential. > > I'll have a look at the stuff you found on nitric oxide and serotonin > reuptake as well. > > Definetely worth trying the noni, although men don't seem to be taking > it for ED. Is that just lack of knowledge do you think? Or maybe > because it is more expensive than a lot of the crap herbal ED pills? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 yes i agree they also deplete dopamine as well as serotonin but to a lesser extent but just as damaging to those pathways! i thought the ssri worked by binding to a specific 5ht receptor? i can see your point though, blocking sert probably blocks all 5ht! > > " the only reservation i have about it is the ssri's are selective and > this drug will fill fill up all serotonon neurons. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 i got that information off a discovery channel documentary a few years ago. i believe its true, antioxidants protect against free radicals. it was surprising to me when i heard it! http://www.vspn.org/vspnsearch/aow/oxygentoxicity.htm > > > > > > > > i know survivor told me that there was an experiment where rats > > were > > > > given citalopram and the ones that were given a running wheel > > > > regained there sexual abilities and the ones that were not given > > a > > > > running wheel didnt regain it. > > > > > > > > if anyone has got a link to that research can you post it up here? > > > > > > > > i know that its believed that this is because running stimulates > > > > nitric oxide in the brain, but could it also be down to lactic > > acid? > > > > > > > > i know that lactic acid can chelate (bind to and remove) mercury > > from > > > > the body, if this effect is also taking place with the fluorine > > in > > > > the ssri's it could also be having an effect to explain the > > recovery. > > > > > > > > survivor told me it was down to more oxygen in the brain, if this > > is > > > > the case its reminded me of when i went on ssri's the first time > > 6-7 > > > > years ago, i did not get pssd the first time on them allbeit i > > was on > > > > them for a much longer time. > > > > > > > > i looked back and thought there was one difference between me > > then > > > > and me now and it was that i was a smoker and thought this may > > have > > > > had some sort of protective effect. > > > > > > > > thinking back to that first time on them though it became > > apparent > > > > there was one other difference, i used to bleach my hair. every > > week > > > > i would touch up the roots with hydrogenproxide. > > > > > > > > i read that bleaching your hair with hydrogen peroxide gives you > > > > slight brain damage, when i used to wash the stuff off the veins > > all > > > > over my scalp were inflated and throbbing. > > > > > > > > i know this would have got more oxygen to my brain. > > > > > > > > this could be the reason why ginkgo biloba scores highly in the > > > > polls, mountaineers take it to stave off hypoxia (lack of oxygen > > to > > > > the brain) when climbing at altitude. > > > > > > > > i think there's even hydrogen peroxide drugs or supplements with > > > > oxygen in them. > > > > > > > > you could even inhale pure oxygen at the same time as running on > > a > > > > treadmill. > > > > > > > > i know that brian beesley started running before christmas and he > > > > hasn't posted any messages since then, has anyone contacted him > > to > > > > see how it was going? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I tried a vitamin B complex and L-Phenalenaline, but it had no effect. When i was taking bupropin it had a strong effect, but I could not tolerate the side effects. I mena, you do already realise that the drugs viagra, levitra etc bacsically just improve NO? Exercise also improves No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 no they dont drugs like viagra inhibit the enzyme that breaks n.o. down, they dont improve the synthesis of n.o. can you put a link up for where you read that exercise improves no? > > I tried a vitamin B complex and L-Phenalenaline, but it had no effect. > When i was taking bupropin it had a strong effect, but I could not > tolerate the side effects. > > I mena, you do already realise that the drugs viagra, levitra etc > bacsically just improve NO? > > Exercise also improves No. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I think I've already posted it about 2 times. I don't have the link any more, so have a look on google. It is " treadmill " exercise that helps to promote NO synthase in particular. And remeber that cycling can damage the testes. It has to be running and jogging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Which of the suggested therapies do you use? And which of those do you believe to be effective in diminishing PSSD? > > To beezly, > I am the female version of you a bit older but it does not matter. It is what it is now or later. > There is a story to be told to the world now. I have found times when orgasm suddenly presents itself. I set off an alarm for my partner as it comes on quickly. It is getting better, to the point of very good. > We must tell the world of our situations. > Not time for you to give up, GOD has a plan. We will recover, Just a matter of time and this site sharring. I am using several of the things suggested. They are working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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