Re: Hygeia with pumpin pals.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I also find Pumpin Pals to be better -for all moms, not just sore nipple

moms. They have 3 sizes that seem to cover every mom I've seen so far, med,

large and extra large. Started giving them out recently and have only heard

wonderful feedback.

I just can't figure out why all flanges aren't shaped like pumpin pals, it's

just a way more ergonomic and comfortable shape.

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> Actually the standard flanges are 27mm - not 24mm. And, if you pull hard

> enough the flanges will pop out of the connector - they are just glued in.

> :-) Of course I don't know if we are supposed to tell that to the client.

> :-) Also, they work well with the Pumpin Pal flanges that I personally

> prefer significantly over the Medela ones.

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> I sell the Hygeia EnJoye and I'd like to rent the EnDeare - just trying to

> figure out what to do with my Medela Inventory.

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> Personally I like the company. And the back order thing wasn't their fault

> - it was the State of California and their red-tape that makes businesses

> leave the state in droves.

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> Warmly,

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> Jaye

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> Jaye Simpson, IBCLC, CIIM

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> Breastfeeding Network

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> Sacramento, CA

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> www.breastfeedingnetwork.net

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[Guest guest]

I'm actually suspecting it doesn't have to do with genetics, it has more to do

with how women hold the shields to their breasts and how they sit while they

pump. While I do find (in contrast to Jaye Simpson) that they work better for

women that have larger softer breasts, I would hate to see one shield for all.

Women's breasts react differently to rubbing against plastic. I've seen the

Soft Shields rip the skin off AND I've seen the same shields really help milk

release. Watching women pumping and listening to their comments is very

important.

Because Jaye says that women complain about the bottom part of the Pumpinpal

shield, where the cone opens to the " shaft " , I'm thinking that women might be

trying to tilt the pumpinpal shields up higher -- thereby increasing the angle

of pressure on the bottom edge -- rather than leaving the shields in a more

downward position where that sharper angle on the bottom edge would no longer be

applying pressure. I think this definitely happens if women hold the bottles

and jam the shields into their breasts. Or, use the straps. I either have

mothers make hands free pumping bras or camisoles or buy the zip up kind. Some

moms are really good at supporting the bottles with their knees which also works

for short waisted women with larger, but relatively firmer breasts.

Anyway -- with these differences --- makes me want to arrange some sort of

online visual so we could all see the problems we have with some women and

figure out what would really work best and why.

Best regards,

E. Burger, MHS, PhD, IBCLC

[Guest guest]

Dee:

I really want to get to the bottom of why you and Jaye and I are seeing such a

different picture. There MUST be some explanation for it. I'd say I get about

95% of mother liking the Pump In Pal shields better than the standard Medela

shields. And I actually do not carry breast shields with me. I watch the

mother pump and then suggest trying other shields based on what I see. Now I'm

going to obsessively look at where the nipple it in the shaft.

Do you use olive oil before pumping? Dr. Gabbay starting using olive oil as a

lubricant many years ago. Now I suggest women rub it into the skin in the area

where they experience friction for all women that are not 100% comfortable while

pumping. Could it be that this is the difference between our findings?

Really, I want to figure out why these very real differences exist!

Best,