Re: Central nervous system-acting agents

[Guest guest]

ive tryed melanotan2 its what bremelanotide was made from and it

really does work you get a very very hard erection 20 mins after you

inject it, even when your not thinking about sex.

theres no stopping it.

>

> Central nervous system-acting agents and the treatment of erectile

and

> sexual dysfunction.

> Carson CC 3rd.

>

> Division of Urology, School of Medicine, University of North

Carolina

> at Chapel Hill, 2140 Bioinformatics Building, Chapel Hill, NC 27599,

> USA. culley_carson@...

>

> Recent animal studies have resulted in newer central nervous system

> (CNS)-acting agents for the treatment of sexual dysfunction in men

and

> women. CNS stimulation and control of sexual function primarily

> originates in the hypothalamus, medial preoptic area, and

> paraventricular nucleus. Neurotransmitters responsible for sexual

> function, such as serotonin, dopamine, and oxytocin, can be

> manipulated pharmacologically. Early clinical trials and use of

> apomorphine have shown limited success and acceptance among

patients,

> especially after the introduction of agents with improved efficacy

and

> tolerability such as phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors. Newer

> CNS-acting agents such as bremelanotide show significant promise in

> bringing to clinical practice a group of centrally acting agents to

> supplement the treatment of erectile dysfunction. CNS-acting agents

> also show promise in treating female sexual dysfunction. Further,

> development of selective dopamine receptor agonists, melatonin

> agonists, and other CNS stimulatory or inhibitory agents may lead to

> improved treatment of sexual dysfunction in men and women.

>

> PMID: 18042327 [PubMed - in process]

>

[Guest guest]

So you tried that stuff, huh? Does it have any effect on libido? Or

do you just get an erection with no effect on desire?

Vornan

> >

> > Central nervous system-acting agents and the treatment of

erectile

> and

> > sexual dysfunction.

> > Carson CC 3rd.

> >

> > Division of Urology, School of Medicine, University of North

> Carolina

> > at Chapel Hill, 2140 Bioinformatics Building, Chapel Hill, NC

27599,

> > USA. culley_carson@

> >

> > Recent animal studies have resulted in newer central nervous

system

> > (CNS)-acting agents for the treatment of sexual dysfunction in

men

> and

> > women. CNS stimulation and control of sexual function primarily

> > originates in the hypothalamus, medial preoptic area, and

> > paraventricular nucleus. Neurotransmitters responsible for sexual

> > function, such as serotonin, dopamine, and oxytocin, can be

> > manipulated pharmacologically. Early clinical trials and use of

> > apomorphine have shown limited success and acceptance among

> patients,

> > especially after the introduction of agents with improved

efficacy

> and

> > tolerability such as phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors. Newer

> > CNS-acting agents such as bremelanotide show significant promise

in

> > bringing to clinical practice a group of centrally acting agents

to

> > supplement the treatment of erectile dysfunction. CNS-acting

agents

> > also show promise in treating female sexual dysfunction. Further,

> > development of selective dopamine receptor agonists, melatonin

> > agonists, and other CNS stimulatory or inhibitory agents may lead

to

> > improved treatment of sexual dysfunction in men and women.

> >

> > PMID: 18042327 [PubMed - in process]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

went on it for 1 month yes its all you can think about, sex that is.

you get erections all the time, but i came off it because i thought

it was interfering with when i wanted to get one, although other

people on the stuff ive spoken to say they get there erections when

they want and the ones that are spontaneous are just a bonus.

its effects decline after time you need more for the same effect.

but the first few times its powerful!!!!

you could use it if you just wanted sex now and again no probs.

but i went on a steady low dose for 1 month.

great tan though!!!!!

> > >

> > > Central nervous system-acting agents and the treatment of

> erectile

> > and

> > > sexual dysfunction.

> > > Carson CC 3rd.

> > >

> > > Division of Urology, School of Medicine, University of North

> > Carolina

> > > at Chapel Hill, 2140 Bioinformatics Building, Chapel Hill, NC

> 27599,

> > > USA. culley_carson@

> > >

> > > Recent animal studies have resulted in newer central nervous

> system

> > > (CNS)-acting agents for the treatment of sexual dysfunction in

> men

> > and

> > > women. CNS stimulation and control of sexual function primarily

> > > originates in the hypothalamus, medial preoptic area, and

> > > paraventricular nucleus. Neurotransmitters responsible for

sexual

> > > function, such as serotonin, dopamine, and oxytocin, can be

> > > manipulated pharmacologically. Early clinical trials and use of

> > > apomorphine have shown limited success and acceptance among

> > patients,

> > > especially after the introduction of agents with improved

> efficacy

> > and

> > > tolerability such as phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors. Newer

> > > CNS-acting agents such as bremelanotide show significant

promise

> in

> > > bringing to clinical practice a group of centrally acting

agents

> to

> > > supplement the treatment of erectile dysfunction. CNS-acting

> agents

> > > also show promise in treating female sexual dysfunction.

Further,

> > > development of selective dopamine receptor agonists, melatonin

> > > agonists, and other CNS stimulatory or inhibitory agents may

lead

> to

> > > improved treatment of sexual dysfunction in men and women.

> > >

> > > PMID: 18042327 [PubMed - in process]

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I thought you were only supposed to use it on an as-needed basis, not

continuously. Maybe that's why it stopped working; some kind of

downregulation.

When did you take it, and would you say your libido was the same on

it as before SSRIs?

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > Central nervous system-acting agents and the treatment of

> > erectile

> > > and

> > > > sexual dysfunction.

> > > > Carson CC 3rd.

> > > >

> > > > Division of Urology, School of Medicine, University of North

> > > Carolina

> > > > at Chapel Hill, 2140 Bioinformatics Building, Chapel Hill, NC

> > 27599,

> > > > USA. culley_carson@

> > > >

> > > > Recent animal studies have resulted in newer central nervous

> > system

> > > > (CNS)-acting agents for the treatment of sexual dysfunction

in

> > men

> > > and

> > > > women. CNS stimulation and control of sexual function

primarily

> > > > originates in the hypothalamus, medial preoptic area, and

> > > > paraventricular nucleus. Neurotransmitters responsible for

> sexual

> > > > function, such as serotonin, dopamine, and oxytocin, can be

> > > > manipulated pharmacologically. Early clinical trials and use

of

> > > > apomorphine have shown limited success and acceptance among

> > > patients,

> > > > especially after the introduction of agents with improved

> > efficacy

> > > and

> > > > tolerability such as phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors.

Newer

> > > > CNS-acting agents such as bremelanotide show significant

> promise

> > in

> > > > bringing to clinical practice a group of centrally acting

> agents

> > to

> > > > supplement the treatment of erectile dysfunction. CNS-acting

> > agents

> > > > also show promise in treating female sexual dysfunction.

> Further,

> > > > development of selective dopamine receptor agonists, melatonin

> > > > agonists, and other CNS stimulatory or inhibitory agents may

> lead

> > to

> > > > improved treatment of sexual dysfunction in men and women.

> > > >

> > > > PMID: 18042327 [PubMed - in process]

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i followed the dose recommendations for getting a tan.

you could use it as and when you need it, but its effects do decline

so you would probably need a brake from it.

yes that's what i suspect it has a negative feed back or down

regulation of receptor sensitivity or numbers.

i was trying to find out if the melanocortin receptor was a part of

normal erection or arrousal pathway?

if this is the case then being on this has probably made my situation

worce, i can not find any info on this so i suspect its an unknown

question....

my libido was more than what it was before the ssris it was scary in

a way, but i think its effects on labido are because of the erections

it gives you its hard to think of anything but sex when your trying

hard to keep your dick down all the time.

the erections it gives you have nothing to do with your own thoughts

whatsoever!!!!

you just get them, so when that happens you just have to start

thinking about it.

it seems to bypass any psychological barriers in the way, you could

be told all your family has just been killed in a plane crash and you

would still get an erection...or you could be having your limbs

amputated with no anesthetic and you would still get one.....

i took it 6 months after the ssris and it had no lasting positive

effects and if melanocortin receptors are part of the normal path way

for an erection and they have been down regulated then it made things

worce....

> > > > >

> > > > > Central nervous system-acting agents and the treatment of

> > > erectile

> > > > and

> > > > > sexual dysfunction.

> > > > > Carson CC 3rd.

> > > > >

> > > > > Division of Urology, School of Medicine, University of

North

> > > > Carolina

> > > > > at Chapel Hill, 2140 Bioinformatics Building, Chapel Hill,

NC

> > > 27599,

> > > > > USA. culley_carson@

> > > > >

> > > > > Recent animal studies have resulted in newer central

nervous

> > > system

> > > > > (CNS)-acting agents for the treatment of sexual dysfunction

> in

> > > men

> > > > and

> > > > > women. CNS stimulation and control of sexual function

> primarily

> > > > > originates in the hypothalamus, medial preoptic area, and

> > > > > paraventricular nucleus. Neurotransmitters responsible for

> > sexual

> > > > > function, such as serotonin, dopamine, and oxytocin, can be

> > > > > manipulated pharmacologically. Early clinical trials and

use

> of

> > > > > apomorphine have shown limited success and acceptance among

> > > > patients,

> > > > > especially after the introduction of agents with improved

> > > efficacy

> > > > and

> > > > > tolerability such as phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors.

> Newer

> > > > > CNS-acting agents such as bremelanotide show significant

> > promise

> > > in

> > > > > bringing to clinical practice a group of centrally acting

> > agents

> > > to

> > > > > supplement the treatment of erectile dysfunction. CNS-

acting

> > > agents

> > > > > also show promise in treating female sexual dysfunction.

> > Further,

> > > > > development of selective dopamine receptor agonists,

melatonin

> > > > > agonists, and other CNS stimulatory or inhibitory agents

may

> > lead

> > > to

> > > > > improved treatment of sexual dysfunction in men and women.

> > > > >

> > > > > PMID: 18042327 [PubMed - in process]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To all,

Is there anyone out there that hasnt masturbated,

looked at porn at all and left themselves alone for

any extended period of time? The reason i am asking is

this: I was thinking about my own sexuality last

night, and how fantasizing while having sex is the

only way I can achieve orgasm. At first, i thought it

was helping my situation because i could actually have

an orgasm if i fantasized about the right unlikely

thing. The problem with me is that I have to think of

more bizarre thoughts than i used to, and they dont

work usually more than once or twice. Instead of it

becoming easier, it gets harder--its like i am

becoming desensitized to my own mental porn. Hasnt it

been pretty much proven that porn desensitizes some

people to regular sex, making them more and more

reliant upon porn for gratification? I am pretty sure

i have read that. My hypothesis is this--I read all of

your posts here, and we all pretty much desperately

jack off, masturbate, judge our sensitivity levels,

libido, orgasms, penis hardness (not in my case of

course) constantly checking for improvement, things to

get better, worse, whatever--we are all OBSESSED with

our lack of functioning and sex organs--and no one is

leaving themselves 100% alone for any substantial

amount of time at all. If a doctor found out that

total abstenance from all sexuality, sexual thoughts,

images, masturbation, etc., for a short period of

time, perhaps 90 days, would " re-set " our sexuality at

baseline and sexual functioning would return, would

any of us be able to do it? I think we would. When i

have totally abstained from sexual stuff for a couple

of weeks--no sex, no masturbation, no thinking about

it, etc. i have DEFINITELY been able to tell when i

finally had sex--i had better sensitivity, better

orgasm, easier time having an orgasm, etc etc.

Would someone volunteer to totally abstain from all

sexual stuff-imagery, masturbation, etc., for maybe 90

days or so, just to see if our sexuality can

" re-set " ?? I know this is alot to ask, and i cant do

it myself (in a relationship), and i doubt anyone here

would agree to it, but i am asking anyway. Maybe from

someone who used to have regular sexual functioning

before SSRI's. Not that i think the younger people

here are damaged beyond repair, but if there was no

normal sexual functioning to begin with, then it might

be harder to discern what normal is--there is no

baseline for reference. Just asking for a brave

volunteer--

lisa

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[Guest guest]

OH and probably someone who isnt on any medications or

herbal remedies to skew the results or affect sexual

functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas. Is there

anyone?? Please??

lisa

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[Guest guest]

I've also tried this stuff a few months ago. I did it twice.

The libido effect was at a low level for me. It felt " un-natural " .

It's hard to explain it better. I took advantage of the opportunity

and called a FWB. She came over and we did it. She isn't good in bed,

but at least my dick felt more like it did before the dysfunction.

At night I was awaken about 10 times by spontanious erections.

It was bothersome.

For me, the side effects hit me hard. Dizziness, nasua, headache,

trembling. I threw away the rest of the MT-2 stash and decided not to

do it again.

I suspect that I may be sensitive to the sides because from past

neuroleptic induced injury.

I have read forums and chatted with someone about their experience

with it, and some don't get these effects at all.

For me it was to severe to tolerate.

> >

> > ive tryed melanotan2 its what bremelanotide was made from and it

> > really does work you get a very very hard erection 20 mins after

> you

> > inject it, even when your not thinking about sex.

> >

> > theres no stopping it.

[Guest guest]

An email contact of mine has told me that some time in abstinance has

given him better feeling and function. He wasn't totaly cold turkey

from suppliments/anxiolitic med, but he experienced the results.

I hope this helps shine a little light on the idea.

I personally don't plan on stopping my protocol in the forseeable

future, so I can't try any cold turkey experiment.

>

> OH and probably someone who isnt on any medications or

> herbal remedies to skew the results or affect sexual

> functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas. Is there

> anyone?? Please??

> lisa

[Guest guest]

There's another board for what you are saying:

http://recover.forumup.org/index.php?mforum=recover

A lot of people there believe that abstaining will help, though no one

has proved this yet.

Shay

lisa hallford wrote:

>

> To all,

>

> Is there anyone out there that hasnt masturbated,

> looked at porn at all and left themselves alone for

> any extended period of time? The reason i am asking is

> this: I was thinking about my own sexuality last

> night, and how fantasizing while having sex is the

> only way I can achieve orgasm. At first, i thought it

> was helping my situation because i could actually have

> an orgasm if i fantasized about the right unlikely

> thing. The problem with me is that I have to think of

> more bizarre thoughts than i used to, and they dont

> work usually more than once or twice. Instead of it

> becoming easier, it gets harder--its like i am

> becoming desensitized to my own mental porn. Hasnt it

> been pretty much proven that porn desensitizes some

> people to regular sex, making them more and more

> reliant upon porn for gratification? I am pretty sure

> i have read that. My hypothesis is this--I read all of

> your posts here, and we all pretty much desperately

> jack off, masturbate, judge our sensitivity levels,

> libido, orgasms, penis hardness (not in my case of

> course) constantly checking for improvement, things to

> get better, worse, whatever--we are all OBSESSED with

> our lack of functioning and sex organs--and no one is

> leaving themselves 100% alone for any substantial

> amount of time at all. If a doctor found out that

> total abstenance from all sexuality, sexual thoughts,

> images, masturbation, etc., for a short period of

> time, perhaps 90 days, would " re-set " our sexuality at

> baseline and sexual functioning would return, would

> any of us be able to do it? I think we would. When i

> have totally abstained from sexual stuff for a couple

> of weeks--no sex, no masturbation, no thinking about

> it, etc. i have DEFINITELY been able to tell when i

> finally had sex--i had better sensitivity, better

> orgasm, easier time having an orgasm, etc etc.

> Would someone volunteer to totally abstain from all

> sexual stuff-imagery, masturbation, etc., for maybe 90

> days or so, just to see if our sexuality can

> " re-set " ?? I know this is alot to ask, and i cant do

> it myself (in a relationship), and i doubt anyone here

> would agree to it, but i am asking anyway. Maybe from

> someone who used to have regular sexual functioning

> before SSRI's. Not that i think the younger people

> here are damaged beyond repair, but if there was no

> normal sexual functioning to begin with, then it might

> be harder to discern what normal is--there is no

> baseline for reference. Just asking for a brave

> volunteer--

> lisa

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I could probably do it. However, I am on a small regimen of supplements

(fish oil, ZMA) that I have no intention of stopping right now. In a

few weeks, I will be trying a low dose of Aurorix as well.

If this disqualifies me, then so be it. I guess I'm just looking for a

challenge. It wouldn't be easy. Oftentimes I wake up with an erection

and have to " take care of it " , despite minimal arousal.

Luther

>

> OH and probably someone who isnt on any medications or

> herbal remedies to skew the results or affect sexual

> functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas. Is there

> anyone?? Please??

> lisa

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

here is a interesting video about melanotan

maybe being out in the sun a lot could possibly assist regain our

libido or possibly tanning too. I thought this was interesting because

Ive always been a sort of a pale person before puberty and now, post

SSRI. I dont quite remember when I started getting real dark skinned

but I know one event that have caused my skin to even become more

darker. This was when I went on a bike ride for about straight 4 days

nonstop during the summer trip in highschool. By the end of the trip I

had sun burn like crazy. Ever since then I believe Ive always had dark

skin until I started SSRI which turned me into a pale ghost again.

[Guest guest]

lisa ive thought about the exact same things that you talking about.

ive often thought that complete abstinence from sexual activity

literature or porn for a period of time is a good thing, when this

first happened to me i said to myself that i will stay away from all

activity's, porn, masturbation, or anything that will tempt me into

thinking that way for 12 months.

the reality of that situation only lasted 5 days until i gave in, but

there was an improvement i thought in that amount of time.

i seem to give in from abstinence out of fear that i can no longer

function sexually, so i have to at least see if there has been an

improvement just to reassure myself that i can, or that things are

getting better.

ive read about dopamine and prolactin and there ones up the others

down relationship and if your sexual activity's are driven by this

then its bacically an addiction and very very hard to break,

apparently if you cant abstain from any kind of sexuall activity for

two weeks (as two weeks is the amount of time needed to break an

addiction) then its bacically an adiction you have.

it looks like where sex is concerned im addicted as i can only manage

5 days, but i am trying and ive definitely cut down looking for an

improvement.

i want to get down to once per week, but its so difficult as all you

want is to be better and im so eager to find out if theres been any

improvement or not that i just give in.

its like wanting to open up your presents before christmas!!

>

> To all,

>

> Is there anyone out there that hasnt masturbated,

> looked at porn at all and left themselves alone for

> any extended period of time? The reason i am asking is

> this: I was thinking about my own sexuality last

> night, and how fantasizing while having sex is the

> only way I can achieve orgasm. At first, i thought it

> was helping my situation because i could actually have

> an orgasm if i fantasized about the right unlikely

> thing. The problem with me is that I have to think of

> more bizarre thoughts than i used to, and they dont

> work usually more than once or twice. Instead of it

> becoming easier, it gets harder--its like i am

> becoming desensitized to my own mental porn. Hasnt it

> been pretty much proven that porn desensitizes some

> people to regular sex, making them more and more

> reliant upon porn for gratification? I am pretty sure

> i have read that. My hypothesis is this--I read all of

> your posts here, and we all pretty much desperately

> jack off, masturbate, judge our sensitivity levels,

> libido, orgasms, penis hardness (not in my case of

> course) constantly checking for improvement, things to

> get better, worse, whatever--we are all OBSESSED with

> our lack of functioning and sex organs--and no one is

> leaving themselves 100% alone for any substantial

> amount of time at all. If a doctor found out that

> total abstenance from all sexuality, sexual thoughts,

> images, masturbation, etc., for a short period of

> time, perhaps 90 days, would " re-set " our sexuality at

> baseline and sexual functioning would return, would

> any of us be able to do it? I think we would. When i

> have totally abstained from sexual stuff for a couple

> of weeks--no sex, no masturbation, no thinking about

> it, etc. i have DEFINITELY been able to tell when i

> finally had sex--i had better sensitivity, better

> orgasm, easier time having an orgasm, etc etc.

> Would someone volunteer to totally abstain from all

> sexual stuff-imagery, masturbation, etc., for maybe 90

> days or so, just to see if our sexuality can

> " re-set " ?? I know this is alot to ask, and i cant do

> it myself (in a relationship), and i doubt anyone here

> would agree to it, but i am asking anyway. Maybe from

> someone who used to have regular sexual functioning

> before SSRI's. Not that i think the younger people

> here are damaged beyond repair, but if there was no

> normal sexual functioning to begin with, then it might

> be harder to discern what normal is--there is no

> baseline for reference. Just asking for a brave

> volunteer--

> lisa

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

yeah this stuff i think if you have pssd or ed can seriously fuck you

up psychologically and make things worce!!!

i would say its better suited to women with pssd.

i agree when you say its not natural!! that how i would describe

it....

> > >

> > > ive tryed melanotan2 its what bremelanotide was made from and

it

> > > really does work you get a very very hard erection 20 mins

after

> > you

> > > inject it, even when your not thinking about sex.

> > >

> > > theres no stopping it.

>

[Guest guest]

in fact just as suggestion, why dont we all try this whether were on

medication or supplements or not and see who breaks first?

and see if anyone can break the prolactin dopamine cycle of two weeks?

have you got an understanding partner lisa?

>

> To all,

>

> Is there anyone out there that hasnt masturbated,

> looked at porn at all and left themselves alone for

> any extended period of time? The reason i am asking is

> this: I was thinking about my own sexuality last

> night, and how fantasizing while having sex is the

> only way I can achieve orgasm. At first, i thought it

> was helping my situation because i could actually have

> an orgasm if i fantasized about the right unlikely

> thing. The problem with me is that I have to think of

> more bizarre thoughts than i used to, and they dont

> work usually more than once or twice. Instead of it

> becoming easier, it gets harder--its like i am

> becoming desensitized to my own mental porn. Hasnt it

> been pretty much proven that porn desensitizes some

> people to regular sex, making them more and more

> reliant upon porn for gratification? I am pretty sure

> i have read that. My hypothesis is this--I read all of

> your posts here, and we all pretty much desperately

> jack off, masturbate, judge our sensitivity levels,

> libido, orgasms, penis hardness (not in my case of

> course) constantly checking for improvement, things to

> get better, worse, whatever--we are all OBSESSED with

> our lack of functioning and sex organs--and no one is

> leaving themselves 100% alone for any substantial

> amount of time at all. If a doctor found out that

> total abstenance from all sexuality, sexual thoughts,

> images, masturbation, etc., for a short period of

> time, perhaps 90 days, would " re-set " our sexuality at

> baseline and sexual functioning would return, would

> any of us be able to do it? I think we would. When i

> have totally abstained from sexual stuff for a couple

> of weeks--no sex, no masturbation, no thinking about

> it, etc. i have DEFINITELY been able to tell when i

> finally had sex--i had better sensitivity, better

> orgasm, easier time having an orgasm, etc etc.

> Would someone volunteer to totally abstain from all

> sexual stuff-imagery, masturbation, etc., for maybe 90

> days or so, just to see if our sexuality can

> " re-set " ?? I know this is alot to ask, and i cant do

> it myself (in a relationship), and i doubt anyone here

> would agree to it, but i am asking anyway. Maybe from

> someone who used to have regular sexual functioning

> before SSRI's. Not that i think the younger people

> here are damaged beyond repair, but if there was no

> normal sexual functioning to begin with, then it might

> be harder to discern what normal is--there is no

> baseline for reference. Just asking for a brave

> volunteer--

> lisa

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

melanotan and melanotan2 are two different peptides its melanotan2

that has the effects on libido and melanotan doesnt.

melanotan produces melanin close to what your own melanin is and has

no libido effects so your own melanin also does not have any libido

effects.

melanotan2 stimulates melanocortin receptor 4, i think its this that

has the efects on libido.

your own melanin does not stimulate this receptor.

>

> here is a interesting video about melanotan

>

>

>

> maybe being out in the sun a lot could possibly assist regain our

> libido or possibly tanning too. I thought this was interesting

because

> Ive always been a sort of a pale person before puberty and now,

post

> SSRI. I dont quite remember when I started getting real dark

skinned

> but I know one event that have caused my skin to even become more

> darker. This was when I went on a bike ride for about straight 4

days

> nonstop during the summer trip in highschool. By the end of the

trip I

> had sun burn like crazy. Ever since then I believe Ive always had

dark

> skin until I started SSRI which turned me into a pale ghost again.

>

[Guest guest]

Nemo,

Understanding enough to go two weeks, for sure! He

doesnt know much, other than its really hard to get me

off. He is no horn-dog, so going two weeks wont be

hard. Im up for it.

lisa

--- " nemo.shark " wrote:

> in fact just as suggestion, why dont we all try this

> whether were on

> medication or supplements or not and see who breaks

> first?

>

> and see if anyone can break the prolactin dopamine

> cycle of two weeks?

>

> have you got an understanding partner lisa?

>

>

> >

> > To all,

> >

> > Is there anyone out there that hasnt masturbated,

> > looked at porn at all and left themselves alone

> for

> > any extended period of time? The reason i am

> asking is

> > this: I was thinking about my own sexuality last

> > night, and how fantasizing while having sex is the

> > only way I can achieve orgasm. At first, i thought

> it

> > was helping my situation because i could actually

> have

> > an orgasm if i fantasized about the right unlikely

> > thing. The problem with me is that I have to think

> of

> > more bizarre thoughts than i used to, and they

> dont

> > work usually more than once or twice. Instead of

> it

> > becoming easier, it gets harder--its like i am

> > becoming desensitized to my own mental porn. Hasnt

> it

> > been pretty much proven that porn desensitizes

> some

> > people to regular sex, making them more and more

> > reliant upon porn for gratification? I am pretty

> sure

> > i have read that. My hypothesis is this--I read

> all of

> > your posts here, and we all pretty much

> desperately

> > jack off, masturbate, judge our sensitivity

> levels,

> > libido, orgasms, penis hardness (not in my case of

> > course) constantly checking for improvement,

> things to

> > get better, worse, whatever--we are all OBSESSED

> with

> > our lack of functioning and sex organs--and no one

> is

> > leaving themselves 100% alone for any substantial

> > amount of time at all. If a doctor found out that

> > total abstenance from all sexuality, sexual

> thoughts,

> > images, masturbation, etc., for a short period of

> > time, perhaps 90 days, would " re-set " our

> sexuality at

> > baseline and sexual functioning would return,

> would

> > any of us be able to do it? I think we would. When

> i

> > have totally abstained from sexual stuff for a

> couple

> > of weeks--no sex, no masturbation, no thinking

> about

> > it, etc. i have DEFINITELY been able to tell when

> i

> > finally had sex--i had better sensitivity, better

> > orgasm, easier time having an orgasm, etc etc.

> > Would someone volunteer to totally abstain from

> all

> > sexual stuff-imagery, masturbation, etc., for

> maybe 90

> > days or so, just to see if our sexuality can

> > " re-set " ?? I know this is alot to ask, and i cant

> do

> > it myself (in a relationship), and i doubt anyone

> here

> > would agree to it, but i am asking anyway. Maybe

> from

> > someone who used to have regular sexual

> functioning

> > before SSRI's. Not that i think the younger people

> > here are damaged beyond repair, but if there was

> no

> > normal sexual functioning to begin with, then it

> might

> > be harder to discern what normal is--there is no

> > baseline for reference. Just asking for a brave

> > volunteer--

> > lisa

> >

> >

> >

>

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Oh no, i dont think it disqualifies you at all!!! Just

having ANYONE willing to give it a try is great! When

i said no meds no supplements, i was imagining a

perfect world, but the reality is that most of us take

something, whether its prescribed or herbal. I take

Xanax and birth control, which doesnt exactly help my

libido. I can argue, however, that i have been taking

birth control since i was 18, and it never affected my

libido or sexuality at all. I dont think birth

control is a contributing factor to my PSSD, since i

didnt get permanent dysfunction until i had taken

ultracet for a couple of years. When i took paxil it

affected my sexuality for the 18 months or so that i

took it, yet i had no lasting effect after quitting it

cold turkey when i was about 27. The permanent

dysfunction didnt occur until i was about 35 or so. I

just turned 39. I took ultracet for around 5-6 years.

lisa

--- lightsoutluther wrote:

>

> I could probably do it. However, I am on a small

> regimen of supplements

> (fish oil, ZMA) that I have no intention of stopping

> right now. In a

> few weeks, I will be trying a low dose of Aurorix as

> well.

>

> If this disqualifies me, then so be it. I guess I'm

> just looking for a

> challenge. It wouldn't be easy. Oftentimes I wake up

> with an erection

> and have to " take care of it " , despite minimal

> arousal.

>

> Luther

>

>

>

> >

> > OH and probably someone who isnt on any

> medications or

> > herbal remedies to skew the results or affect

> sexual

> > functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas. Is

> there

> > anyone?? Please??

> > lisa

> >

> >

> >

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Dont morning erections go away after urination?

Nemo, I thought it took 28 days to break an addiction.

Just checking. It would be a wonderful break to not

stress about our organs or even think about them at

all for a month. It would be hard, though--i think it

can be done. Why not??? Consider this a challenge,

luther!

28 days. For everyone. no touching. NOTHING. We are

monks and nuns. Now if we can just stick to it.

lisa

--- lightsoutluther wrote:

>

> I could probably do it. However, I am on a small

> regimen of supplements

> (fish oil, ZMA) that I have no intention of stopping

> right now. In a

> few weeks, I will be trying a low dose of Aurorix as

> well.

>

> If this disqualifies me, then so be it. I guess I'm

> just looking for a

> challenge. It wouldn't be easy. Oftentimes I wake up

> with an erection

> and have to " take care of it " , despite minimal

> arousal.

>

> Luther

>

>

>

> >

> > OH and probably someone who isnt on any

> medications or

> > herbal remedies to skew the results or affect

> sexual

> > functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas. Is

> there

> > anyone?? Please??

> > lisa

> >

> >

> >

>

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what ive read about is the prolactin dopamine up down relationship

and its effects on sexual addiction, im sure it said two weeks to

stop this from driving your desires and after two weeks you will be

able to think more clearly about things...

" It would be a wonderful break to not stress about our organs or even

think about them at all for a month. "

ive tried this abstaining thing before 3 times and only managed 5

days maximum, i agree it would be a break from thinking about it and

experimenting.

however my experiences from trying this in the past tell me that its

very difficult to not think about it when your trying this!!!!

i even thought about it more and more and it was difficult to say the

least, thats when i read up on dopamine and prolactin being the

driving force behind your sex drive.

two weeks is what it said you need to get through to make you think

more clearly about it and i would say thats about rite, 28 days is

probably what it takes to break an adiction.

im willing to give this a go, but as i am just starting to see some

improvement with sexuality sensitivity and ability its going to be

really really difficult for me!!!!

i woke this morning with an erection and left it alone, so you could

say im half way through one day already.

and yes morning erections do usually go away after urination, but you

have to get the erection down before you can urinate properly, but it

can be done....

i can feel my self already biting my finger nails at attempting this

and i never bite them ever....

just to conclude i will attempt this but theres no way i think i can

make it past my 5 day record, but if i do i will be pleased and if

this is the way to a cure then im going to consider joining the navy

and spending a few years on a nuclear sub.....

p.s. it would be good if another guy can attempt this with me....

> > >

> > > OH and probably someone who isnt on any

> > medications or

> > > herbal remedies to skew the results or affect

> > sexual

> > > functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas. Is

> > there

> > > anyone?? Please??

> > > lisa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Great job, nemo! I know its hard--its probably WAY

more difficult for men--so far so good!!! Keep up the

good work! No pun intended.

lisa

--- " nemo.shark " wrote:

> what ive read about is the prolactin dopamine up

> down relationship

> and its effects on sexual addiction, im sure it said

> two weeks to

> stop this from driving your desires and after two

> weeks you will be

> able to think more clearly about things...

>

>

> " It would be a wonderful break to not stress about

> our organs or even

> think about them at all for a month. "

>

> ive tried this abstaining thing before 3 times and

> only managed 5

> days maximum, i agree it would be a break from

> thinking about it and

> experimenting.

>

> however my experiences from trying this in the past

> tell me that its

> very difficult to not think about it when your

> trying this!!!!

>

> i even thought about it more and more and it was

> difficult to say the

> least, thats when i read up on dopamine and

> prolactin being the

> driving force behind your sex drive.

>

> two weeks is what it said you need to get through to

> make you think

> more clearly about it and i would say thats about

> rite, 28 days is

> probably what it takes to break an adiction.

>

> im willing to give this a go, but as i am just

> starting to see some

> improvement with sexuality sensitivity and ability

> its going to be

> really really difficult for me!!!!

>

> i woke this morning with an erection and left it

> alone, so you could

> say im half way through one day already.

>

> and yes morning erections do usually go away after

> urination, but you

> have to get the erection down before you can urinate

> properly, but it

> can be done....

>

> i can feel my self already biting my finger nails at

> attempting this

> and i never bite them ever....

>

> just to conclude i will attempt this but theres no

> way i think i can

> make it past my 5 day record, but if i do i will be

> pleased and if

> this is the way to a cure then im going to consider

> joining the navy

> and spending a few years on a nuclear sub.....

>

> p.s. it would be good if another guy can attempt

> this with me....

>

>

> > > >

> > > > OH and probably someone who isnt on any

> > > medications or

> > > > herbal remedies to skew the results or affect

> > > sexual

> > > > functioning at all. Cold turkey in all areas.

> Is

> > > there

> > > > anyone?? Please??

> > > > lisa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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,

My line of thinking involves self-examination, and

what i am reading here in everyone's posts.

Self-examination-wise, I notice in my own experience

that the more I masturbate, the weaker my orgasms are,

the less sensitive my genitals are, and the fantasies

i have to use are more disturbing. Recently, when i

have gone a couple of weeks without any sexual contact

with my boyfriend, i find that it is easier to orgasm,

my sensitivity is MUCH improved, I am hornier, and i

SOMETIMES can orgasm without having to think of any

dirty, inappropriate scenarios (fantasies are fine,

but I am talking about needing nasty ones that i

wouldnt normally find stimulating)

In regards to what i am reading here, its seems as

though most of us are pretty much chronic

masturbators. I know i am judging us all from just the

posts i read here, but i see a pattern of behavior.

Its not just the masturbation being more than usual,

its ALSO the need to constantly check to see if

anything at all is improved or worse, or

different--down to the tiniest of details, blood flow,

penis hardness, softness, penis movement, the head

size,the penis size, the ball size, the way the penis

hangs, the way the balls hang, making it twitch when

scared, shrinkage of penis or balls, penis

responsiveness etc etc., its seems like everyone is

scrutinizing EVERYTHING in regards to their penis,

which i am sure was NOT the case before PSSD. Dont get

me wrong, i dont think any of this behavior is

necessarily wrong, i just think all this constant

attention to the problem isnt exactly helping the

situation any. Let's say, for arguments' sake, that

the activation center in our brain that controls

sexuality has changed in some way and just needs to

re-set, or perhaps the damaged path from brain to

organ needs a break to heal. None of us REALLY knows

what is going on with PSSD, we have clues, to be sure,

but no treatment has definitively fixed us more than

temporarily or improved us more than slightly. We have

all tried supplements, hormones, prescriptions, bowen

therapy, viagra, herbs, exercise, and have received

mixed results at best. None of us have just quit our

sexuality cold turkey for a long enough period to give

whatever has happened to us a break long enough to

even check to see if this can heal itself. NOT THAT I

THINK THIS WILL be a quick fix or solution to the

problem, but WHO KNOWS? Is there anyone out there that

had normal sexual functioning before that has tried to

just leave themselves alone for a period of time? I

do think this is a complex issue--but seriously folks,

we are willing to injest about any herb or other

mixture of things to fix our problem, yet not many of

us have just left ourselves alone to see if it helps.

If this affliction is a " scab " we are all definitely

" scab-pickers " , do you follow? I could be way off

base, but why not try--especially in view of our

eagerness to try just about anything else.

This is a hard thing to ask, its almost like asking

a rich, obese person to actually just diet and

exercise instead of getting a gastric bypass. I know

its hard, especially in light of how worried we all

our about our sexuality, but someone brave out there

HAS to be able to leave themselves alone for a few

weeks--and not let the constant urge to check for

improvement overtake the need to see if there might

actually be a permanent one.

lisa

--- Varuna1907@... wrote:

> I am willing to try 's idea. Though my question

> for is " why do you

> think this will work? " It's worth a try, but I don't

> have any particular

> reason to think that it will reverse PSSD. I hope

> it works, anything is worth a

> try.

>

>

>

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, Please start a new thread for your idea.

Avoiding masturbation is off topic for CNS agents.

Highjacking threads usually isn't allowed on most forums.

It only takes a second to start a new one.

>

> Dont morning erections go away after urination?

>

> Nemo, I thought it took 28 days to break an addiction.

> Just checking. It would be a wonderful break to not

> stress about our organs or even think about them at

> all for a month. It would be hard, though--i think it

> can be done. Why not??? Consider this a challenge,

> luther!

> 28 days. For everyone. no touching. NOTHING. We are

> monks and nuns. Now if we can just stick to it.

> lisa

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This is a good point. It is considered impolite to hijack a thread

and change the subject, unless it's unintentional (which sometimes

happens, and may be in this case).

, I let this one go through, but please follow Survivor's advice

in future.

Thanks,

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\-- In SSRIsex , " survivor030406 "

wrote:

>

> , Please start a new thread for your idea.

> Avoiding masturbation is off topic for CNS agents.

> Highjacking threads usually isn't allowed on most forums.

> It only takes a second to start a new one.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Dont morning erections go away after urination?

> >

> > Nemo, I thought it took 28 days to break an addiction.

> > Just checking. It would be a wonderful break to not

> > stress about our organs or even think about them at

> > all for a month. It would be hard, though--i think it

> > can be done. Why not??? Consider this a challenge,

> > luther!

> > 28 days. For everyone. no touching. NOTHING. We are

> > monks and nuns. Now if we can just stick to it.

> > lisa

>