Re: Thyroid vs. Testosterone

[Guest guest]

I used to a have a hot chiropractor. Didn't fix my back, but I

definitely enjoyed going.

Shay

survivor030406 wrote:

>

> The drugs caused a bad connection. Get a hot therapist, and hug her

> frequently. I do it.

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

> > Here

> > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

> > to be

> > > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

> > The

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

> > If so,

> > > > > how?

> > > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> > cause, or

> > > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

> > in the

> > > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> > possible.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

im taking pretty much every supplement that lowers dht and others

that don't but that are good for the prostate.

you know inflammation of the prostate can cause all the same problems

that pssd does!!!

i think there's a possible link, i went on ssris 5 years ago and had

many bad reaction to them, i had persistent cystitis for months but

docs could find no reason for it. no infections no stds. nothing.

all they could find was proteins present in my urine samples.

this problem was caused by the ssris i was taking but i suffered no

persistent sexual side effects.

i was a smoker then.

5 years later non smoker went on them for 8 days and im impotent with

a numb penis.

hhhhmmmmmm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

Here

> > are

> > > > the

> > > > > > results:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

to

> > be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > indicating an

> > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me,

I

> > believe

> > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

The

> > > > question

> > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

If

> > so,

> > > > how?

> > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

cause,

> > or

> > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

in

> > the

> > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

possible.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's very plausible that it's actually a trauma reaction from

losing sex drive. This is hard to resolve. Maybe try to block out

embarrassment, get a hot therapist and tell her all about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

> Here

> > > > are the

> > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

> to be

> > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > indicating

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

> The

> > > > question

> > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

> If so,

> > > > how?

> > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> cause, or

> > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

> in the

> > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> possible.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

surrogate partner therapy my final destination if all fails...lol

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few

tests.

> > Here

> > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is

supposed

> > to be

> > > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is

high,

> > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for

me, I

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these

areas.

> > The

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the

thyroid?

> > If so,

> > > > > how?

> > > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so,

how?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> > cause, or

> > > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break.

But

> > in the

> > > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> > possible.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

from the little ive just read about that it sound like it would do

the job but i didn't like what it said about the word " permanent "

you need some oestradiol to get an erection you know?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall

> > supposedly

> > > > into

> > > > > > the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come

up

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > 'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90?

Is

> > > > there a

> > > > > > chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal

levels

> > in

> > > > > > healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could

I

> > expect

> > > > the

> > > > > > levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never

taken

> > any

> > > > > > SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it

would

> > > > provide a

> > > > > > valid reference point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

to

> > be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ill take a look at the list and i suppose sooner or later ill have to

go to the docs, its gonna be hard to just keep calm at there

complacent attitudes.

i think that why im putting it off, maybe if i see some improvement i

wont want to tell him what i think about him...in fact i think im

just going to have to find another doc coz im not going to be able to

do it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

Here

> > are

> > > > the

> > > > > > results:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

to

> > be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > indicating an

> > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me,

I

> > believe

> > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

The

> > > > question

> > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

If so,

> > > > how?

> > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

cause,

> > or

> > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

in

> > the

> > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

possible.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

aahhh phiosphy

you know what that guy was born in hungary budapest, ive been there..

and let me tell you ive never been to a place so full of attractive

young women!!

you go to budapest and the girls out number the guys by well over 80%.

and the majority of them are well fit!!!

im gonna go again when im cured!!!! it was unbelievable!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

> Here

> > > are

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is

supposed

> to

> > > be

> > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > > indicating an

> > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me,

> I

> > > believe

> > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

> The

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

> If so,

> > > > > how?

> > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so,

how?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> cause,

> > > or

> > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break.

But

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> possible.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I remember him say stigmatization is all a diagnosis is. It is a

weapon, to control behavior that society thinks fits.

Drapetomania: Drapotese - runaway slave, and mania.

According to psychiatry, it wasn't that black slaves ran away because

they wanted their freedom, they ran away because they had a brain

disease. This was a legitimate diagnosis in those days, just like ADD

or bipolar or most of the 375 stigmatizing labels that have been

invented today. Psychiatry's gaol is to label everyone mentally ill,

they are inventing labels for everything you do. They are trying to

create a mental illness if you wear baggy cloths. They are creating

" internet addiction disorder " for computer savvy folks like us who are

here to educate ourselves. It goes on and on. Psychiatry is not our

friend. go to pubmed.gov and search for SSRI. There was a new study

result released in November that tested the claim that depression is

caused by a serotonin deficiency. It is now proven that, that claim

was a total fraud. How many times have we all heard it? even today?

How many times have we seen that Zoloft commercial with the cartoon

bubble heads pushing this lie like it was a fact? At this point it is

extremely obvious that 543 million people have been drugged by

ruthless fraudulent psychiatrists and the greed driven pharmaceutical

industrial complex that is being run by criminals. The industry owns

everything, the FDA the polititions, the medical journals. Who knows

how to stop whats happening. Pharma drugs are killing 200,000

Americans per year. But no one thinks about it. Instead we live in

fear of terrorism that killed less than 3,000 Americans six years ago,

and our freedoms and liberty's are being destroyed everyday because of

it. Let's see here...6 years-big pharma killed 1.2 million, and

terrorism killed less than 3,000. Why isn't big pharma working under a

police state? Why is the president mandating the forced drugging of

school children? Teenscreen produces 85% false positives and directly

to drugging. Most school shootings are related to psych drugs. The

government is working hard to make mass murder an everyday event.

And the mentally ill are further being cast out. Just search youtube

for SSRI.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

> Here

> > > are

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

> to

> > > be

> > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > > indicating an

> > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me,

> I

> > > believe

> > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

> The

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

> If so,

> > > > > how?

> > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> cause,

> > > or

> > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> possible.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is that?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few

> tests.

> > > Here

> > > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is

> supposed

> > > to be

> > > > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is

> high,

> > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for

> me, I

> > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these

> areas.

> > > The

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the

> thyroid?

> > > If so,

> > > > > > how?

> > > > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so,

> how?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> > > cause, or

> > > > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break.

> But

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> > > possible.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Relax, the study's show it's the safest AI you can take.

No one ever lost their sex drive from it.

> >

> > Some exemestane will fix that.

> >

[Guest guest]

i think you might be right there you know, those thoughts just remind

me of what ive lost and that's why it has a negative reaction, its a

complex.

im sure it would go though if things got physically better or

functionally better.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few

tests.

> > Here

> > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is

supposed

> > to be

> > > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is

high,

> > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for

me, I

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these

areas.

> > The

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the

thyroid?

> > If so,

> > > > > how?

> > > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so,

how?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> > cause, or

> > > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break.

But

> > in the

> > > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> > possible.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ill look into it more, id like to see some literature that says its

effects are reversible.

is it a prescription drug?

> > >

> > > Some exemestane will fix that.

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

i agree they are inventing a lot of labels to stick on people and

they will probably drugs to go with those labels before long...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few

tests.

> > Here

> > > > are

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is

supposed

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is

high,

> > > > > > indicating an

> > > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for

me,

> > I

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these

areas.

> > The

> > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the

thyroid?

> > If so,

> > > > > > how?

> > > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so,

how?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> > cause,

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break.

But

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> > possible.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

its therapy that involves a sex therapist and a surrogate partner,

you see the therapist and talk then you go away with the surrogate

and get naked you take things really slowly over about 12-15 1-2 hour

sessions.

you start with lying down together naked and just touching each

other, but not any genital touching until later probably arround the

8th or 9th session.

but you see the therapist after each time you are with the suurogate.

do a search on " surrogate partner therapy " and " sensate focus "

heres a link to get you started

http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/sensate.html

ive thought about doing it at the same time as that magnetic treatment

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few

> > tests.

> > > > Here

> > > > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is

> > supposed

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine

is

> > high,

> > > > > > > indicating

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing

for

> > me, I

> > > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these

> > areas.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the

> > thyroid?

> > > > If so,

> > > > > > > how?

> > > > > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If

so,

> > how?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true

underlying

> > > > cause, or

> > > > > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing

an

> > > > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas

break.

> > But

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> > > > possible.

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The purpose of the labels is to coerce people into submission and

accept the chemical assault of biological psychiatry.

The DSM is written by the pharma drug cartel in order to have 375

insurance funded reasons to expand the pharmacaust.

>

> i agree they are inventing a lot of labels to stick on people and

> they will probably drugs to go with those labels before long...

>

[Guest guest]

You mention hypogonadism as being secondary. Secondary to what?

> >

> > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are the

> > results:

> >

> > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

normal)

> > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> >

> > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> >

> > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high, indicating an

> > underactive thyroid.

> >

> > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The question

> > is - which one?

> >

> > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so, how?

> > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> >

> > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an endocrinologist

> > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible. Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Could you please direct me to this list of parameters?

Regardless of what the doctor does or doesn't think, I want to explore

every option/possibility I can.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> > are

> > > > the

> > > > > > results:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

> > be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > indicating an

> > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > believe

> > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > > > question

> > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> > > > how?

> > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause,

> > or

> > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in

> > the

> > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Primary and secondary are medical terms that mean:

Primary=your testes don't work

Secondary=your testes work fine, but don't produce testosterone

because the pituitary isn't producing normal levels of LH and FSH

hormones.

The endo can figure it out by doing tests. Usually your given some

clomid and then a blood test is taken. He will measure LH and FSH to

determine if your pituitary responds to clomid. And measure T level to

determine if the testes respond to LH and FSH.

>

> " You mention hypogonadism as being secondary. Secondary to what? "

[Guest guest]

I think the list was on the PSSD site. It has been hacked again and is

still not up yet.

>

> Could you please direct me to this list of parameters?

>

> Regardless of what the doctor does or doesn't think, I want to explore

> every option/possibility I can.

>

[Guest guest]

I'll be getting some tests done from the following lab in January. You

need a doctor who is willing to have to do this. They test everything

you could dream of, including liver pathways, amino acid content, stool

samples for parasites and bacteria, saliva tests for cortisol, hormones,

everything:

http://www.gdx.net/home/

Another test is the neurotransmitter urine test. The validity of the

test is debated, but the symptoms seem to match up with the results:

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=category & sectionid\

=12 & id=40 & Itemid=46

<https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=category & sectioni\

d=12 & id=40 & Itemid=46>

The classic blood test is also a must. Be sure to get as much thyroid

information as possible (T3, T4, T7, reverse T3, T antibodies), and the

hormones (testosterone and estradiol) are also a must.

Getting all these tests can be expensive, especially without insurance

that covers it. But what good is money without good health?

Shay

mrmanguy84 wrote:

>

> Could you please direct me to this list of parameters?

>

> Regardless of what the doctor does or doesn't think, I want to explore

> every option/possibility I can.

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> > > are

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

> > > be

> > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > > indicating an

> > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > > believe

> > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> > > > > how?

> > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause,

> > > or

> > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in

> > > the

> > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>