Re: Thyroid vs. Testosterone

[Guest guest]

Hi all.

I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall supposedly into

the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come up with the

'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90? Is there a

chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal levels in

healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could I expect the

levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never taken any

SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it would provide a

valid reference point.

Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be normal)

TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

[Guest guest]

Good to hear, because I'm in the same boat. I've been researching the

hell out of the same stuff and trying to get to the bottom of things.

Your thyroid doesn't look back, but it's hard to say without getting a

full test (T4, T3, Reverse T3, antibodies, TSH). Your testosterone is

low, but again you need to get a full test. Add luteinizing hormone

(pituitary precursor that tells the testes to produce testosterone) and

estradiol (excess can drive down testosterone and/or cause the same

symptoms of low testosterone).

I found out the hard way that getting the cooperation of a doctor is

near impossible, because they act like they know everything. In my case,

I went to a doctor and got a generic blood test, then circled all the

testosterone tests myself. Even when it came back showing it to be super

low, he said it was in range and no need to fix it. So I left.

Next doctor was a private hormonal doctor who saw the testosterone

problem and wanted to fix it. However, like you, I would like to find

the cause before trying to randomly patch me up. Because taking shots

every 3 days for the rest of my life isn't so appealing.

It's amazing how long you have to look and hard you have to search in

between the lines to find the truth on these matters. Mainstream

medicine is full of shit and is out to get our money. For instance, I've

read numerous times that Tribulus Terrestris does not elevate

testosterone levels. However, if you look hard enough you will see that

this misconception is due to two things. First, the key ingredient is

Protodioscin, which actually increases luteinizing hormone. The problem

is that most brands list it when they actually don't have enough (I use

the anabolicminds.com forums to find the brands of stuff that should

work). Second, it's proven to work only in cases where the testosterone

was low to begin with.

Don't even get me started on how a doctor would try and fix

hyperthyroidsim. There are three choices: take a anti-thyroid

medication, take radiated iodine to kill off part of the thyroid, or

remove it altogether. What the fuck, are you serious? Now search for

alternative methods and you come up with: natural lithium (amino acid),

copper, selenium, L-Carnitine, and fluoride. Fluoride was used in Nazi

concentration camps to lower prisoner thyroid activity and keep them

under control. I'm still looking into this one, because there's so much

talk about how toxic it is.

Shay

mrmanguy84 wrote:

>

> Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are the

> results:

>

> Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be normal)

> TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

>

> TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

>

> My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high, indicating an

> underactive thyroid.

>

> Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The question

> is - which one?

>

> 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so, how?

> 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

>

> I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an endocrinologist

> in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible. Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here's some symptoms of hyperthyroidism:

Conjunctivitis, Oily Skin, Rapid Pulse, Racing Heart, Strong Appetite

and Metabolism. Fatigue,

Bulging Eyes, Inner Trembling, Cold Spells, Irritability, Impatient,

Unable to work under pressure, Weak libido, Insomnia, Tinnitus, Night

Sweats, Sweating, Anxiety

Currently, I'm not working on fixing this yet. First order of business

has been lowering my high histamine level. Found out it was high after

taking a neurotransmitter test with an alternative doctor, probably

could do the same with a blood test. My doctor gave me L-Methionine,

which breaks down histamine. It also converts into SAMe, the natural

antidepressant.

Histadelia (high histamine) symptoms: Sweating, Frequent Colds,

Hyperactivity, Depression, Obsessive-Compulsive, Insomnia, Extreme Drive

and Motivation, Sparse Body Hair, Allergies (including eye allergies),

Perfectionism, High Libido (I used to have this)

Low testosterone symptoms: insomnia, depression, anxiety, loss of

muscle, etc.

Now notice how all of these seem to have overlapping symptoms, almost as

if they are all somehow interrelated? So what good would it do to fix

one symptom? But it looks like you've already realized this.

I'm getting ready to do this insane one week detoxification and see what

happens and what it helps, if anything. After that, I'll continue to

lower my histamine levels, then work on the hyperthyroidism, then

finally the testosterone. One step at a time.

Shay

mrmanguy84 wrote:

>

> Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are the

> results:

>

> Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be normal)

> TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

>

> TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

>

> My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high, indicating an

> underactive thyroid.

>

> Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The question

> is - which one?

>

> 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so, how?

> 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

>

> I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an endocrinologist

> in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible. Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. I have all the symptoms of hypothyroid, right down

to the premature ejaculation.

As long as we're on the subject, has anyone else had that problem? It

is maddening. I'm not even sexually active. But recently I've found

that sometimes after thinking about girls (and being rather frustrated

that my body and emotions hardly react) out of nowhere I'll orgasm.

It's really strange and kind of scary.

Anyway, a good family friend is an endocrinologist and I'm going to

see him over Christmas break. But this is very good information

because it tells me tests I can get beforehand. Thankfully my local

doctor, a psychiatrist, is very supportive and open-minded.

> >

> > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are the

> > results:

> >

> > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> normal)

> > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> >

> > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> >

> > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high, indicating

> an

> > underactive thyroid.

> >

> > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The question

> > is - which one?

> >

> > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so, how?

> > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> >

> > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an endocrinologist

> > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible. Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty sure my problem is UNDERactive thyroid, and not overactive.

But I have a lot of those symptoms, so now I'm confused.

Have: Fatigue, Inner Trembling, Irritability, Impatient, Weak libido,

Insomnia, Sweating, Anxiety, Strong Metabolism, Tinnitus

Don't have (or even have the opposite): Strong Appetite, Cold Spells,

Conjunctivitis

I also have all the symptoms of low testosterone.

Thankfully there is a good endocrinologist who is a close family

friend back home. So I'm going to see him in a couple weeks when I

visit for Christmas break and see what I can learn. In the meantime,

though, this discussion is very useful because I can save time by

getting tests done now.

> >

> > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are the

> > results:

> >

> > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

normal)

> > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> >

> > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> >

> > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high, indicating an

> > underactive thyroid.

> >

> > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The question

> > is - which one?

> >

> > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so, how?

> > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> >

> > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an endocrinologist

> > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible. Thanks.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A study has shown that people taking large amounts of steroids have

lower thyroxine level. So there is a link. Meanwhile your T level

qualifies as you having hypogonadism. Most likely secondary, not

primary. (your endo will want to determine this)

You need your T level raised. Theoretically your thyroxine level will

lower, but only tests can prove it. Your prolactin definitely should

be reduced to the lower range. Ask your endo about getting it lower.

>

> Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are the

> results:

>

> Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be normal)

> TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

>

> TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

>

> My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high, indicating an

> underactive thyroid.

>

> Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The question

> is - which one?

>

> 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so, how?

> 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

>

> I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an endocrinologist

> in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

" recently I've found that sometimes after thinking about girls (and

being rather frustrated that my body and emotions hardly react) out

of nowhere I'll orgasm. It's really strange and kind of scary. "

yeah i feel disconnected from normal feelings, i sometimes think of

girls and sex through out the day and feel nothing.

occasionally i get like an electric shock to my penis (and my penis

does move when this happens) while im thinking about that stuff, i

wouldn't say its an orgasm but its definitely a signal getting

through for a split second.

i just went out for a drive in my car its 4 am i wanted to scare my

self so started to drive fast i looked at my speedo and was doing

over 90 mph in a 30, i pulled up the hand brake a skid-ed the car

arround, i only slightly felt an adrenaline rush but absolutely no

fear.

> > >

> > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

are the

> > > results:

> > >

> > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> > normal)

> > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

indicating

> > an

> > > underactive thyroid.

> > >

> > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

believe

> > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

question

> > > is - which one?

> > >

> > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

how?

> > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > >

> > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

endocrinologist

> > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The " normal range " is the standard babble of doctors who don't care

that their education is antiquated/outdated. A T level of 449ng/dl is

normal if your 90 not if your 25. You should be in the upper range. No

less than 800. Think of the " range " as a shooting range. There is a

target and then there is the area that you can shoot aimlessly without

killing anyone. Just because no one got killed by a misfire, that

doesn't make you a good shooter. Hitting the target makes you a good

shooter. This is common sense to us here, but all of us here have been

through the ringer of medical doctors nonsense long enough to know.

>

> Hi all.

>

> I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall supposedly into

> the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come up with the

> 'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90? Is there a

> chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal levels in

> healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

>

> One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could I expect the

> levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never taken any

> SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it would provide a

> valid reference point.

>

> Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be normal)

> TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

>

> TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

>

[Guest guest]

survivor030406 you think a saliva testosterone test would be ok to

determine if you have low testosterone levels?

apparently hormone analysis in saliva is more beneficial as the

levels of hormones in saliva is the bioavailable form of the hormone

so its an amount which directly effects your cells....

> >

> > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are

the

> > results:

> >

> > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

normal)

> > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> >

> > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> >

> > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

indicating an

> > underactive thyroid.

> >

> > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

question

> > is - which one?

> >

> > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

how?

> > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> >

> > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

endocrinologist

> > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

why isnt dht a part of this? wouldn't testosterone give a lower

result if your converting a lot of it into dht?

ive read that dht is a more powerful androgen.

> >

> > Hi all.

> >

> > I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall supposedly

into

> > the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come up with

the

> > 'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90? Is

there a

> > chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal levels in

> > healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

> >

> > One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could I expect

the

> > levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never taken any

> > SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it would

provide a

> > valid reference point.

> >

> > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

normal)

> > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> >

> > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think a blood test can show free and total level, and a saliva test

shows free level.

> > >

> > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are

> the

> > > results:

> > >

> > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> normal)

> > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> indicating an

> > > underactive thyroid.

> > >

> > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> question

> > > is - which one?

> > >

> > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> how?

> > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > >

> > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> endocrinologist

> > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe I just didn't notice this in the years past, but I definitely do

now. It seems like whenever I see something painful or disgusting on TV

or somewhere, I can feel my penis cringe. Feels like it's under attack

and is trying to hide. Kind of weird.

Shay

nemo.shark wrote:

>

> " recently I've found that sometimes after thinking about girls (and

> being rather frustrated that my body and emotions hardly react) out

> of nowhere I'll orgasm. It's really strange and kind of scary. "

>

> yeah i feel disconnected from normal feelings, i sometimes think of

> girls and sex through out the day and feel nothing.

>

> occasionally i get like an electric shock to my penis (and my penis

> does move when this happens) while im thinking about that stuff, i

> wouldn't say its an orgasm but its definitely a signal getting

> through for a split second.

>

> i just went out for a drive in my car its 4 am i wanted to scare my

> self so started to drive fast i looked at my speedo and was doing

> over 90 mph in a 30, i pulled up the hand brake a skid-ed the car

> arround, i only slightly felt an adrenaline rush but absolutely no

> fear.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> are the

> > > > results:

> > > >

> > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> > > normal)

> > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> indicating

> > > an

> > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> believe

> > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> question

> > > > is - which one?

> > > >

> > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> how?

> > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > >

> > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> endocrinologist

> > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The blood test is more complete, because you get free T, total T,

luteinizing hormone, human growth hormone, etc etc. The saliva is good

for measuring cortisol throughout the day, but the rest can be done with

blood.

If your doc doesn't want to measure what you need checked, then get a

generic blood test from him and circle what you need yourself. Then call

and have them send you a copy of the results.

Shay

nemo.shark wrote:

>

> survivor030406 you think a saliva testosterone test would be ok to

> determine if you have low testosterone levels?

>

> apparently hormone analysis in saliva is more beneficial as the

> levels of hormones in saliva is the bioavailable form of the hormone

> so its an amount which directly effects your cells....

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here are

> the

> > > results:

> > >

> > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> normal)

> > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> indicating an

> > > underactive thyroid.

> > >

> > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I believe

> > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> question

> > > is - which one?

> > >

> > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> how?

> > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > >

> > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> endocrinologist

> > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

DHT can be converted back and forth between different hormones, just

like test can be converted to estroidal by aromatase enzyme. It's all

a system of the body's checks and balances. There are various ways to

inhibit these conversions or block receptors, or raise levels.

High DHT will make your hair fall out. I'm guessing that hasn't happened.

> > >

> > > Hi all.

> > >

> > > I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall supposedly

> into

> > > the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come up with

> the

> > > 'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90? Is

> there a

> > > chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal levels in

> > > healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

> > >

> > > One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could I expect

> the

> > > levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never taken any

> > > SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it would

> provide a

> > > valid reference point.

> > >

> > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> normal)

> > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well i had a saliva test and it was 120pg/ml and the reference range

was 46-285pg/ml for my age range.

would you say that's low?

i also had a dht test and that was sky high!!! well out of the

reference range.

> > > >

> > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

are

> > the

> > > > results:

> > > >

> > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

be

> > normal)

> > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > indicating an

> > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

believe

> > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > question

> > > > is - which one?

> > > >

> > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If

so,

> > how?

> > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > >

> > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause,

or

> > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > endocrinologist

> > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in

the

> > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is a normal response. It is a protection reaction.

You want to cover up yourself before the monster on TV jumps out and

bites your balls off. The same feeling would happen when I was on a

roller coaster.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> > are the

> > > > > results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > indicating

> > > > an

> > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > believe

> > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > question

> > > > > is - which one?

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> > how?

> > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause, or

> > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > endocrinologist

> > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in the

> > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ive noticed that most of my erotic thoughts that really would turn me

on b4 ssris actually have the opposite effect i can more easily get

an erection to masturbate thinking of nothing than of girls or sex,

sometimes if ive got an erection i can make it go down quickly by

just thinking about really erotic things its weired!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> > are the

> > > > > results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

to be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > indicating

> > > > an

> > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > believe

> > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > question

> > > > > is - which one?

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If

so,

> > how?

> > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

cause, or

> > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > endocrinologist

> > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

in the

> > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you mean go to the docs and get a standard blood test that they would

do to see if theres something wrong with me?

and then ask for the results?

> > > >

> > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

are

> > the

> > > > results:

> > > >

> > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

be

> > normal)

> > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > indicating an

> > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

believe

> > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > question

> > > > is - which one?

> > > >

> > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> > how?

> > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > >

> > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause,

or

> > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > endocrinologist

> > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in

the

> > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

no ive still got all my hair but its not as thick on top as it was,

but its still all there.

i had an oestradiol not estroidal done it was 1.8pg/ml and the

reference was 0.20-3.4pg/ml but apparently the ratio of this to

testosterone should be 200-1 and mine was 120-1.8 so that is way out.

> > > >

> > > > Hi all.

> > > >

> > > > I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall

supposedly

> > into

> > > > the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come up

with

> > the

> > > > 'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90? Is

> > there a

> > > > chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal levels

in

> > > > healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could I

expect

> > the

> > > > levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never taken

any

> > > > SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it would

> > provide a

> > > > valid reference point.

> > > >

> > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

be

> > normal)

> > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

but it still might be that response that's happening inappropriately

in regard to sex.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

Here

> > > are the

> > > > > > results:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

to be

> > > > > normal)

> > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > indicating

> > > > > an

> > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > > believe

> > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

The

> > > question

> > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

If so,

> > > how?

> > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

cause, or

> > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

in the

> > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

possible.

> > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It looks like the free T is just below the 50% area. If your about 25,

your level should be 200 or higher. Since you noticed the high DHT,

you should find a way to lower it. If you are taking supplements that

effect or are related to hormones, you might want to stop taking them

and get another test to find out what they are doing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> are

> > > the

> > > > > results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

> be

> > > normal)

> > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > indicating an

> > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> believe

> > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > > question

> > > > > is - which one?

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If

> so,

> > > how?

> > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause,

> or

> > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > endocrinologist

> > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in

> the

> > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would look at the list on this SSRIsex site of recommended

parameters to check off on the paper list that the doctor has, and

anything that Shay has listed that could be important also. I wouldn't

say to the doctor that you are looking to see if there is something

wrong with you. It just makes it easier for the doctor to say

" everything's fine " and send you off with no idea of whats going on.

Just tell him that these tests are recommended by a " reliable source " .

And don't tell him " the internet " . Not long ago, it was all over the

news that the industrial medical community protested about how it was

dangerous for people to educate themselves by online sources. (lies)

And then they recommended the most biased sources as good.(more fraud)

This story is beyond the scope of this post right now.

It's important to protect yourself from being labeled, stigmatized,

discriminated, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests. Here

> are

> > > the

> > > > > results:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

> be

> > > normal)

> > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > indicating an

> > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> believe

> > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas. The

> > > question

> > > > > is - which one?

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid? If so,

> > > how?

> > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying cause,

> or

> > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > endocrinologist

> > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But in

> the

> > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as possible.

> > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Some exemestane will fix that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had some tests done recently, and all of them fall

> supposedly

> > > into

> > > > > the 'normal' range. What I want to know is how they come up

> with

> > > the

> > > > > 'normal' numbers. Is this normal for any man, ages 14-90? Is

> > > there a

> > > > > chart somewhere where I can see a breakdown of normal levels

> in

> > > > > healthy males by age group? Any insight is appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > One last question - assuming we were both healthy, could I

> expect

> > > the

> > > > > levels of my brother to be the same as mine? He's never taken

> any

> > > > > SSRIs and is willing to test his levels for me if it would

> > > provide a

> > > > > valid reference point.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed to

> be

> > > normal)

> > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The drugs caused a bad connection. Get a hot therapist, and hug her

frequently. I do it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

> Here

> > > > are the

> > > > > > > results:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

> to be

> > > > > > normal)

> > > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > indicating

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me, I

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

> The

> > > > question

> > > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

> If so,

> > > > how?

> > > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

> cause, or

> > > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

> in the

> > > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

> possible.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You're right; being labeled in any cotext is lab, especially the

mental health system. Dr. Szasz wrote a lot about this:

" The struggle for definition is veritably the struggle for life

itself. In the typical Western two men fight desperately for the

possession of a gun that has been thrown to the ground: whoever

reaches the weapon first shoots and lives; his adversary is shot and

dies. In ordinary life, the struggle is not for guns but for words;

whoever first defines the situation is the victor; his adversary, the

victim. For example, in the family, husband and wife, mother and

child do not get along; who defines whom as troublesome or mentally

sick?...[the one] who first seizes the word imposes reality on the

other; [the one] who defines thus dominates and lives; and [the one]

who is defined is subjugated and may be killed. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Szasz

Vornan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all. I have a question. First, I've had a few tests.

Here

> > are

> > > > the

> > > > > > results:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thyroxine, Free (T4Free) .93 ng/dL (0.71-1.85 is supposed

to

> > be

> > > > normal)

> > > > > > TSH w/reflex to FreeT4 4.62 uIU/mL (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Testosterone 449 ng/dL (400-1080)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TSH 2.84 uIU/m/l (0.45-4.67)

> > > > > > Prolactin 14.3 ng/mL (3.5-19.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Testosterone is low. Meanwhile, my Thyroxine is high,

> > > > indicating an

> > > > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since doparmenic drugs have done next to nothing for me,

I

> > believe

> > > > > > that my particular problem is somewhere in these areas.

The

> > > > question

> > > > > > is - which one?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)Does Testosterone effect the function of the thyroid?

If so,

> > > > how?

> > > > > > 2)Does the thyroid effect testosterone levels? If so, how?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out which is the true underlying

cause,

> > or

> > > > > > perhaps if both should be treated. I'll be seeing an

> > > > endocrinologist

> > > > > > in a couple weeks when I go home for christmas break. But

in

> > the

> > > > > > meantime I am trying to educate myself as much as

possible.

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>