Re: Letter from the Psychiatrist who Ruined My Life

[Guest guest]

You shouldn't have called her a drug dealer. You're just undermining your argument by being insulting, regardless of it being an apt analogy or not, it isn't useful in creating a genuine, productive dialogue about this situation.

[Guest guest]

I understand your rage. These pyschiatrists seem genuinely ignorant of the possible permanent side effects of these drugs. My shrink claimed that nothing in "The Literature" indicated anything to the effect of PSSD. I don't believe that these people are malicious,it is merely that they don't know. The blame is to be put at the feet of the drug companies, and a corrupt FDA.

I am going to assume that you got an opportunity to have sex prior to the PSSD. I didn't. I come from a conservative background, and was waiting until marriage. Now, I don't know if that will ever come. The perpetrators of this crime should be brought to justice. However, just as the dope dealer in the street is small potatos, so are the shrinks who dole out this poison. We must go after the big dogs in this matter. I say that a class action lawsuit, similar to the breast implant one, should be organized. Unless one already has?

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[Guest guest]

I understand your anger.

If you want help you can not call people names. Document everything.

Be calm about it. The only way for us to get help is to appear calm

and rational with documented facts.

>

> You shouldn't have called her a drug dealer. You're just undermining

your

> argument by being insulting, regardless of it being an apt analogy

or not,

> it isn't useful in creating a genuine, productive dialogue about this

> situation.

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[Guest guest]

“She also said in her note that it was impossible for these drugs to cause

permanent sexual dysfunction.â€

That is strange because i recall a post you made where you told us

about when you confronted your psychiatrist and she told you that she

knew what PSSD was.

Here is a quote.

“I asked her if she knew what PSSD was. She said yes.

I asked her why she never warned me about PSSD and why she gave me the

drugs that she did. She told me that PSSD only occurs in .001 percent

of people taking these and that she never once thought to tell

me that there was a possible chance of permanent disability. She said

she had only met one person with PSSD and that it really wan't possible.â€

PS. i think it best for you now to lay low and relax. If your

parents and your psychiatrist are talking to the police your situation

is not good. I feel your pain but i think that for now it's best for

you to play smart.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps You're right Vornan. I have only my own to shrink to go by. He claims that he has never had a patient complain of PSSD. Perhaps he is lying.

To , I would say, don't let them get the best of you. This whole thing has driven me half nuts, so I more than understand your reaction. However, if we approach the matter in a nutty manner, it will merely serve to reenforce in the minds of the shrinks, the idea that this is just in our heads. Facts, facts, and more facts is what will slay them. I have never trusted psychiatrists. Indeed, I believe that while guys like Freud and Jung may have had there faults, there basic conceptions were grounded in truth. Namely, that mental problems are caused, fundamentally, by repressions, traumas, and inner conflicts, NOT BY CHEMICAL IMBALANCE! People are not just an aggregate of chemicals. We have bodies yes, but we also have minds, and in my opinion, spirits. The afflictions of the mind come from the mind, and not the brain, per se. Thats my view anyhow.

I do have a couple of questions for the group. I am a newbie at all this, so, perhaps someone can answer a couple of basic questions for me. Namely, what is the physiological cause of PSSD? I know that SSRIs flood the brain and central nervous system with serotonin, but what causes the permanent dysfunction once one quits the stuff? Secondly, do things like Viagra allow one to at least have a sex life? I am sure both these questions have been addressed ad nauseam in the group, but I am new at this, and perhaps someone will enlighten me. Thanks,

I am new to this whole thing, so I have a question which has probably been dealt with in this group ad nauseaum, but I'd like an answer nonetheless. My question is: How do SSRIs cause PSSD? What does the drug do to cause these possibly permanent side effects? My shrink explained to me that they increase the level of seratonin in the brain and central nervous system, and increased seratonin leads to reduced sex drive. My question is, why does this not go away once one stops taking the medicine? Also, does something like Viagra allow one to at least have a sex life? These are basic questions, I know, but I hope someone will humor a newbie, and provide some answers. Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

I don't think the psychiatrists are ignorant of the long-term or

permanent side effects. Not at all. Almost every shrink I have spoken

with has admitted that they have had patients complain of permanent

sexual problems after taking SSRIs. See, the shrinks are either in

denial or just don't care.

Human nature is not as benign as most people think. Consider the

female genital mutilation that is going on even today in central

Africa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting

Hundreds of thousands of women have their clitorises and external

vaginas removed every year. It is barbaric but nobody does anything

to stop it. Think of the parallels.

Vornan

>

> I understand your rage. These pyschiatrists seem genuinely ignorant

of the

> possible permanent side effects of these drugs. My shrink claimed

that nothing

> in " The Literature " indicated anything to the effect of PSSD. I

don't believe

> that these people are malicious,it is merely that they don't know.

The

> blame is to be put at the feet of the drug companies, and a corrupt

FDA.

> I am going to assume that you got an opportunity to have sex

prior to

> the PSSD. I didn't. I come from a conservative background, and was

waiting

> until marriage. Now, I don't know if that will ever come. The

perpetrators of

> this crime should be brought to justice. However, just as the dope

dealer in

> the street is small potatos, so are the shrinks who dole out this

poison. We

> must go after the big dogs in this matter. I say that a class

action lawsuit,

> similar to the breast implant one, should be organized. Unless one

already has?

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> And why do my parents and that psychiatrist stay in touch. I'm a 24

> year old man and the first thing that she did was go to my parents

> when I confronted her. Somehow, they're on her side in this whole

> thing. My parents and her had a meeting with the police about me.

Her speaking with your parents sounds like a potential breach of your

confidentiality, a

serious ethical lapse on her part. There are conditions under which that might

not be the

case, however, and the fact that she has involved the police suggests there's a

little more to

the story than you're saying. Psychiatrists encounter angry people often enough;

you

apparently said or did something she found specifically threatening.

You probably want to back off and avoid all further contact with her. If she did

violate your

confidentiality, there are avenues you can pursue, but none of them involve

communicating

with her in any way. In the meantime, don't resign yourself too much: you may

well recover

from your PSSD.

River

[Guest guest]

Might recover from my PSSD??? I don't mean to be such an antogonist,

and I do believe that maybe somehow there is a way to get better, but

I'm 98% sure that there is no cure to this. The only way to get over

it is to accept it or take you own life, ya dig

>

> > And why do my parents and that psychiatrist stay in touch. I'm a 24

> > year old man and the first thing that she did was go to my parents

> > when I confronted her. Somehow, they're on her side in this whole

> > thing. My parents and her had a meeting with the police about me.

>

> Her speaking with your parents sounds like a potential breach of

your confidentiality, a

> serious ethical lapse on her part. There are conditions under which

that might not be the

> case, however, and the fact that she has involved the police

suggests there's a little more to

> the story than you're saying. Psychiatrists encounter angry people

often enough; you

> apparently said or did something she found specifically threatening.

>

> You probably want to back off and avoid all further contact with

her. If she did violate your

> confidentiality, there are avenues you can pursue, but none of them

involve communicating

> with her in any way. In the meantime, don't resign yourself too

much: you may well recover

> from your PSSD.

>

> River

>

[Guest guest]

> Might recover from my PSSD??? I don't mean to be such an antogonist,

> and I do believe that maybe somehow there is a way to get better, but

> I'm 98% sure that there is no cure to this. The only way to get over

> it is to accept it or take you own life, ya dig

Roll over and play dead or just be dead? No thanks. The evidence suggests that

it's a long-

term problem for many people. I have seen no evidence to date that it's a

permanent problem

for most people. But I would suggest that taking a defeatist attitude toward it

is a perfect way

to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Guest guest]

--- rivertorch wrote:

>

>

> > Might recover from my PSSD??? I don't mean to be

> such an antogonist,

> > and I do believe that maybe somehow there is a way

> to get better, but

> > I'm 98% sure that there is no cure to this. The

> only way to get over

> > it is to accept it or take you own life, ya dig

>

> Roll over and play dead or just be dead? No thanks.

> The evidence suggests that it's a long-

> term problem for many people. I have seen no

> evidence to date that it's a permanent problem

> for most people. But I would suggest that taking a

> defeatist attitude toward it is a perfect way

> to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>>>>>

The Medical Profession Atittude to the damaging

effects of these drugs are " Well you are Still Alive

Are N't You ? " suggesting that you would be dead if

you had not been saved by them??

Have there been any suicides specifically due to PSSD

?

Browne

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[Guest guest]

--- brianbeezly wrote:

>

>

> Might recover from my PSSD??? I don't mean to be

> such an antogonist,

> and I do believe that maybe somehow there is a way

> to get better, but

> I'm 98% sure that there is no cure to this. The

> only way to get over

> it is to accept it or take you own life, ya dig

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > And why do my parents and that psychiatrist stay

> in touch. I'm a 24

> > > year old man and the first thing that she did

> was go to my parents

> > > when I confronted her. Somehow, they're on her

> side in this whole

> > > thing. My parents and her had a meeting with

> the police about me.

> >

> > Her speaking with your parents sounds like a

> potential breach of

> your confidentiality, a

> > serious ethical lapse on her part. There are

> conditions under which

> that might not be the

> > case, however, and the fact that she has involved

> the police

> suggests there's a little more to

> > the story than you're saying. Psychiatrists

> encounter angry people

> often enough; you

> > apparently said or did something she found

> specifically threatening.

> >

> > You probably want to back off and avoid all

> further contact with

> her. If she did violate your

> > confidentiality, there are avenues you can pursue,

> but none of them

> involve communicating

> > with her in any way. In the meantime, don't resign

> yourself too

> much: you may well recover

> > from your PSSD.

> >

> > River

> >

Warning with Psychiatry they can break every rule

going within reason they are allowed to talk to your

parents behind your back, mentally ill people are seen

as the lowest of the low in society.

Plus Psychiatry have the cops the legal profession on

their side they will always be believed versus the Nut

who has been on psyche drugs.

Complaining about permanent lack of sex drive they

will always blame you your depression and never the

drugs correct me if I am wrong.

Its no use getting angry about it though.

Regards,

Browne

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

.... they talked to his parents, not the government, i think the psychiatrist probably did the right thing. Some people here are just too blinded by they're hatred (albeit understandable) of psychiatry to look at things reasonably. Psychiatry would be fine if it was applied correctly..

--- rivertorch wrote:

>

>

> > Might recover from my PSSD??? I don't mean to be

> such an antogonist,

> > and I do believe that maybe somehow there is a way

> to get better, but

> > I'm 98% sure that there is no cure to this. The

> only way to get over

> > it is to accept it or take you own life, ya dig

>

> Roll over and play dead or just be dead? No thanks.

> The evidence suggests that it's a long-

> term problem for many people. I have seen no

> evidence to date that it's a permanent problem

> for most people. But I would suggest that taking a

> defeatist attitude toward it is a perfect way

> to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>>>>>

The Medical Profession Atittude to the damaging

effects of these drugs are " Well you are Still Alive

Are N't You ? " suggesting that you would be dead if

you had not been saved by them??

Have there been any suicides specifically due to PSSD

?

Browne

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[Guest guest]

> ... they talked to his parents, not the government, i think the psychiatrist

> probably did the right thing.

That is actually not true. Physicians are bound both by laws and by ethical

rules enforced by

the medical board. There are instances in which the standards may legally and

ethically be

ignored, but by and large it is true to say that a physician has no business

discussing

anything to do with the treatment of a patient with anyone else. Familial

relationships are not

excepted.

River

[Guest guest]

What I got from BB's post, was that his parents were directly involved in his prescriptions anyway. It would be another thing if she actively sought them out. If the psychiatrist did feel threatened,, It isn't to outrageous of a step. Maybe it might be illegal technically, but *if* threats were involved, it would be looked at differently..

> ... they talked to his parents, not the government, i think the psychiatrist

> probably did the right thing.

That is actually not true. Physicians are bound both by laws and by ethical rules enforced by

the medical board. There are instances in which the standards may legally and ethically be

ignored, but by and large it is true to say that a physician has no business discussing

anything to do with the treatment of a patient with anyone else. Familial relationships are not

excepted.

River

[Guest guest]

> What I got from BB's post, was that his parents were directly involved in

> his prescriptions anyway. It would be another thing if she actively sought

> them out. If the psychiatrist did feel threatened,, It isn't to outrageous

> of a step. Maybe it might be illegal technically, but *if* threats were

> involved, it would be looked at differently..

Agreed. That's what I meant by saying there are instances in which the standards

may legally

and ethically be ignored. No one, including a psychiatrist, should be expected

to predict

behavior based on perceived threats, so in my view it's probably a case of

better safe than

sorry.

River

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Lynch, please try to be a little more positive. I know that

we are all in a difficult situation. Sometime we take our anger out

on each other. I know that I have been frustrated with Vornan before

and how isolated we are. If I have a nickname for PSSD, which I call

ARP, anti-depressant reproductive damgage. Please don't get offended.

It's just like a nickname. some people know Jesus as Jesus. Other

people know him as Christ. Either way, it's the same thing, ya dig

[Guest guest]

Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go to

almost any major place in America and white people are the minority.

Why are minorities called minorities?

Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard of an

anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too many

black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed and

alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in touch

with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support. not

some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in my

family.

White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic sexual

needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white family in

regards to PSSD.

I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are the

people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about it

with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked up in

prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was lying.

He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and making them

seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I guarantee

you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an underbelly

of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at. That

same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

killing themselves when they take this medication.

I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my calling

[Guest guest]

Im asian and I know what it feels like to a minority. Its true that

our health care system is too much based on profit, Ive been to

countries where it is way more easier to access the health care

system. Im not sure if youve been to or lived in other countries but

trust me, although not perfect, America is one of the safest and fair

countries to live in. Its just that we as americans grow up in a

mostly safe enviroment falsely taught that this world is

supposely " fair " but in truth, its dog eat dog world.

>

> Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go to

> almost any major place in America and white people are the

minority.

> Why are minorities called minorities?

>

> Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard of an

> anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too many

> black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

>

> As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed and

> alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

>

> On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in touch

> with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support. not

> some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in my

> family.

>

> White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic sexual

> needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white family in

> regards to PSSD.

>

> I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

>

> It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are the

> people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about it

> with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked up

in

> prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was

lying.

> He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and making

them

> seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I

guarantee

> you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

>

> To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an

underbelly

> of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at. That

> same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

> killing themselves when they take this medication.

>

> I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my

calling

>

[Guest guest]

What the hell dude? you're the one who said you were " 99 % sure that there was no cure for pssd " and I;m suppose to be more positive.? And then you proceed to call me " limp " on a forum about people suffering from sexual dysfunction. You literally contradict yourself with every post. And now you're bringing race into this issue? What the Fuck? You seriously need a vacation.

Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go to

almost any major place in America and white people are the minority.

Why are minorities called minorities?

Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard of an

anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too many

black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed and

alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in touch

with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support. not

some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in my

family.

White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic sexual

needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white family in

regards to PSSD.

I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are the

people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about it

with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked up in

prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was lying.

He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and making them

seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I guarantee

you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an underbelly

of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at. That

same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

killing themselves when they take this medication.

I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my calling

[Guest guest]

,

I really want to share the same sympathy for you as I do for everyone

else in this group but you're making it difficult when you hate on

white people like we're all anti-Christs who are genetically involved

in organized crime against blacks. I promise you there are not that

many white people who give a enough of a shit to put effort into

making another race miserable. Sure, there are some ignorant evil

whites that are racist and maybe you have encountered a few of those,

but there are just as many racist blacks.

You would find it funny if the statistics show that mostly white

people suffer from PSSD? What is wrong with you man? That is the most

racist thing I have heard in a long time. I wish no one had to suffer

from this... whites, blacks, whatever.

For the sanity of this forum, please get over your racial grudge and

look for a the real cause and solution to our common problem. No one

here knows the solution yet, but I'll tell you what I believe the root

cause is; Corporate America.

Corporate America is a seemingly infinitely powerful and raceless

entity which is allowed, through our government's untouchable golden

child called economics and capitalism, to exploit the ignorance of

citizens for its own " personal " gain. Corporations may not be granted

more rights than a citizen constitutionally but, apparently, the

greed-driven organized crime we call " The Government " thinks it ought

to. Corporations are not people, they're conscienceless plants that

grow by absorbing money like it's sunlight. All it takes is one CEO or

product manager, regardless of race, to have a money making idea, like

convincing citizens that SSRIs will solve problems, and the entire

corporation will shift its leaves to absorb as much money as possible.

There are plenty of loop-holes in tax laws, and barely any controls

that limit Corporate America's gluttony for money. Four words to prove

my point: Katrina. Exxon. Health Insurance. Prime examples of

exploitation of citizens.

We're now living in a country where the richest 1% of the population

owns 20% of the nation's economic wealth. The Government and Corporate

America work together to fool us into thinking that they're helping to

fix our problems (like drug induced side effects, unaffordable health

care, and racism) when in fact they're the cause such problems.

If you want to be a preacher, turn your anger toward the root cause

of our problems and preach real solutions.

> >

> > Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go to

> > almost any major place in America and white people are the minority.

> > Why are minorities called minorities?

> >

> > Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard of an

> > anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too many

> > black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

> >

> > As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed and

> > alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

> >

> > On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in touch

> > with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support. not

> > some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in my

> > family.

> >

> > White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic sexual

> > needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white family in

> > regards to PSSD.

> >

> > I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

> >

> > It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are the

> > people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about it

> > with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked up in

> > prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was lying.

> > He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and making them

> > seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I guarantee

> > you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

> >

> > To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an underbelly

> > of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at. That

> > same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

> > killing themselves when they take this medication.

> >

> > I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my calling

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Guys I'm from Canada and docs dont get paid depending on meds they

prescribe. There is none of that shit here. I've perhaps 20 docs,

urologists, psychs, regular docs, you name it. DOCS (at least in

Canada) are not lying about knowledge of PSSD. THEY DONT KNOW IT

EXISTS! STOP BLAIMING THE DOCS! They dont get plessure by medically

castrating you. I'm sick and tired of posts blaming docs. Blame the

FDA who approved the drugs or the pharmceutical co.'s.

Antidepressants are the most or top 3 prescribed meds in Canada and

probably U.S. Dont you think if this was common it would be all over

the place. Dont give me that shit that people are too shy to tell

docs. THEIR DICKS ARE NOT WORKING PROPERLY, trust me if there is one

thing a man would go see a doc for, it would be for his dick. Docs

dont get satisfaction giving us pssd. THEY ARE NOT HIDING SHIT, FOR

THE LAST TIME THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT IT. We should consider how really

common our conditions are.

> >

> > Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go

to

> > almost any major place in America and white people are the

minority.

> > Why are minorities called minorities?

> >

> > Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard

of an

> > anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too

many

> > black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

> >

> > As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed

and

> > alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

> >

> > On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in

touch

> > with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support.

not

> > some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in my

> > family.

> >

> > White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic

sexual

> > needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white family

in

> > regards to PSSD.

> >

> > I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

> >

> > It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are

the

> > people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about it

> > with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked

up in

> > prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was

lying.

> > He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and

making them

> > seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I

guarantee

> > you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

> >

> > To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an

underbelly

> > of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at. That

> > same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

> > killing themselves when they take this medication.

> >

> > I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my

calling

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Doctors are supposed to be part of the " Phase 4 " of the marketing of

drugs, after they are approved by the FDA. They are supposed to be our watchmen

and protectors. " First do no harm " .

There are over 700 cases of PSSD in this forum, and probably hundreds of

thousands, or millions, in the USA alone. How many case reports of PSSD are

there in the medical literature? I will tell you: 7. And 6 of them were

written by me.

Your assertion that docs are not responsible at all for this mess in

totally wrong. They don't even believe what their own patients are

telling them 99% of the time. if you tell them that your " dick is not working

properly " , 99% of them will tell you it's all in your head. If you're lucky

they'll do a testosterone check. And you think they are blameless?

The whole system is corrupt from top to bottom. From FDA to the dumb

shrinks, quacks, and sawbones handing out these poisons like they were candy.

To claim that doctors are innnocent in all of this is ridiculous.

Vornan

In SSRIsex , " carlothms " wrote:

>

> Guys I'm from Canada and docs dont get paid depending on meds they

> prescribe. There is none of that shit here. I've perhaps 20 docs,

> urologists, psychs, regular docs, you name it. DOCS (at least in

> Canada) are not lying about knowledge of PSSD. THEY DONT KNOW IT

> EXISTS! STOP BLAIMING THE DOCS! They dont get plessure by medically

> castrating you. I'm sick and tired of posts blaming docs. Blame the

> FDA who approved the drugs or the pharmceutical co.'s.

> Antidepressants are the most or top 3 prescribed meds in Canada and

> probably U.S. Dont you think if this was common it would be all

over

> the place. Dont give me that shit that people are too shy to tell

> docs. THEIR DICKS ARE NOT WORKING PROPERLY, trust me if there is

one

> thing a man would go see a doc for, it would be for his dick. Docs

> dont get satisfaction giving us pssd. THEY ARE NOT HIDING SHIT, FOR

> THE LAST TIME THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT IT. We should consider how

really

> common our conditions are.

>

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>

> > >

> > > Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go

> to

> > > almost any major place in America and white people are the

> minority.

> > > Why are minorities called minorities?

> > >

> > > Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard

> of an

> > > anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too

> many

> > > black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

> > >

> > > As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed

> and

> > > alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

> > >

> > > On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in

> touch

> > > with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support.

> not

> > > some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in

my

> > > family.

> > >

> > > White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic

> sexual

> > > needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white

family

> in

> > > regards to PSSD.

> > >

> > > I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

> > >

> > > It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are

> the

> > > people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about

it

> > > with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked

> up in

> > > prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was

> lying.

> > > He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and

> making them

> > > seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I

> guarantee

> > > you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

> > >

> > > To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an

> underbelly

> > > of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at.

That

> > > same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

> > > killing themselves when they take this medication.

> > >

> > > I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my

> calling

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, I am not saying that whites are trying to kill blacks. I'm

saying that culturally, white people are about 50X more likely to take

anti-depressants than blacks and are killing themselves!!!!

> > >

> > > Minorities as white people call them. Really the majority. Go to

> > > almost any major place in America and white people are the minority.

> > > Why are minorities called minorities?

> > >

> > > Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had never even heard of an

> > > anti-depressant until I started using them. I don't think too many

> > > black or hispanic people even use psychiatric drugs.

> > >

> > > As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in the hood is weed and

> > > alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

> > >

> > > On top of that, all my black and hispanic friends are deep in touch

> > > with family and friends and rely on them for emotional support. not

> > > some pills. I lived in a white family. I never knew anybody in my

> > > family.

> > >

> > > White people are stopping themselves from breeding and basic sexual

> > > needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my own white family in

> > > regards to PSSD.

> > >

> > > I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this group are white.

> > >

> > > It's funny how the only people who listen to me about PSSD are the

> > > people you would never expect. I just had a conversation about it

> > > with a really cool dude from around the way who had been locked

up in

> > > prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't think I was lying.

> > > He said it was " the man's fault for making these drugs and

making them

> > > seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in America. I

guarantee

> > > you that he was locked up for a really dumb reason.

> > >

> > > To understand PSSD, you have to understand that there's an

underbelly

> > > of America that a lot of white people don't want to look at. That

> > > same trust in America that a lot of white people have is what is

> > > killing themselves when they take this medication.

> > >

> > > I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I think that's my

calling

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To a degree, you are right--its not like doctors are

wringing their hands together, thinking evil thoughts

about the joys of wreaking havoc on everyones

sexuality. Instead, its that doctors have the whole

know-it-all, god complex-like thoughts that definitely

include their fervent belief that we are all too dumb

to know anything that they dont. They wont ever

believe that we could be intelligent about ourselves,

our research, our bodies and the things going on with

us. most medical discoveries in history had many

doctors against them--its like its in their

nature--like that they have been taught EVERYTHING

there is to know--and so there is no other medical

explanation. This will come out in the wash--it will

be another vioxx or fen-phen. I do think many types of

people, men and women included- wont go to a doctor

about sexual problems. Ignorance drives this as much

as anything. Just yesterday, there was a Dear Margo

letter about a woman whose husbands' delayed

ejaculation was making her sore. Not once was the

possibility of anti-depressant use part of the

response as a possible cause, but the possibility of

whisky-dick sure was mentioned. The more people that

experience this trouble with anti-depressants, the

more it will finally move toward recognition. Not

everyone knows. Not many do--they will eventually.

lisa

--- carlothms wrote:

> Guys I'm from Canada and docs dont get paid

> depending on meds they

> prescribe. There is none of that shit here. I've

> perhaps 20 docs,

> urologists, psychs, regular docs, you name it. DOCS

> (at least in

> Canada) are not lying about knowledge of PSSD. THEY

> DONT KNOW IT

> EXISTS! STOP BLAIMING THE DOCS! They dont get

> plessure by medically

> castrating you. I'm sick and tired of posts blaming

> docs. Blame the

> FDA who approved the drugs or the pharmceutical

> co.'s.

> Antidepressants are the most or top 3 prescribed

> meds in Canada and

> probably U.S. Dont you think if this was common it

> would be all over

> the place. Dont give me that shit that people are

> too shy to tell

> docs. THEIR DICKS ARE NOT WORKING PROPERLY, trust me

> if there is one

> thing a man would go see a doc for, it would be for

> his dick. Docs

> dont get satisfaction giving us pssd. THEY ARE NOT

> HIDING SHIT, FOR

> THE LAST TIME THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT IT. We should

> consider how really

> common our conditions are.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Minorities as white people call them. Really

> the majority. Go

> to

> > > almost any major place in America and white

> people are the

> minority.

> > > Why are minorities called minorities?

> > >

> > > Anyway, all my black and hispanic friends had

> never even heard

> of an

> > > anti-depressant until I started using them. I

> don't think too

> many

> > > black or hispanic people even use psychiatric

> drugs.

> > >

> > > As my friend Jayvon used to say, Medication in

> the hood is weed

> and

> > > alcohal. I wish I had taken his advice.

> > >

> > > On top of that, all my black and hispanic

> friends are deep in

> touch

> > > with family and friends and rely on them for

> emotional support.

> not

> > > some pills. I lived in a white family. I never

> knew anybody in my

> > > family.

> > >

> > > White people are stopping themselves from

> breeding and basic

> sexual

> > > needs and its kind of funny. I'm a victim of my

> own white family

> in

> > > regards to PSSD.

> > >

> > > I guarantee you that 95% of the people in this

> group are white.

> > >

> > > It's funny how the only people who listen to me

> about PSSD are

> the

> > > people you would never expect. I just had a

> conversation about it

> > > with a really cool dude from around the way who

> had been locked

> up in

> > > prison. He wasn't surprised about it. He didn't

> think I was

> lying.

> > > He said it was " the man's fault for making these

> drugs and

> making them

> > > seem harmless. " He understands the unjustices in

> America. I

> guarantee

> > > you that he was locked up for a really dumb

> reason.

> > >

> > > To understand PSSD, you have to understand that

> there's an

> underbelly

> > > of America that a lot of white people don't want

> to look at. That

> > > same trust in America that a lot of white people

> have is what is

> > > killing themselves when they take this

> medication.

> > >

> > > I should be a preacher. As a matter of fact, I

> think that's my

> calling

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I've tried everything. I mean everything, ya dig. Everything to try

to reverse PSSD or Antidepressant Reproductive Damage as I call it.

All the medications. Best one? Mirapex, but not a cure

All the herbal stuff. Best one? None of those mutherfuckers work

except maybe the first time you try it

When did I see the most improvement?

When I did a lot of running for about two weeks. I mean a lot of

running. Mile after mile. After mile. After mile. After mile.

It's the only cure baby. Run your ass off like your Forrest Gump.

You'll see improvement, but you won't be cured. Then run some more.

And run some more. And run some more. Notice how you feel peace of

mind more. Then run some more. Then run some more. Notice how you

fall into deep, deep sleeps. Then run some more. Then run some more.

Then run some more. Notice how you can kinda feel sensation down

there. Don't quit there like I did. It's so hard. Run or die.

That's the plan for me. Those two weeks that I ran hard really

sucked. They really really sucked. But it's the only way that I saw

improvement.