Re: an other ignorant doctor

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I know. It is soooo frustrating. I am trying to get my husband to go

to a doctor....but I have been to two and they were so bad.

I am not going to put him through that.

I wish there was someone out there who could help us. My husband is

trying to say it is my fault. But I know it isn't. I think he is just

trying to save his own ego.

Last night he had me on the verge of an orgasm with kissing and

touching and then he stopped. He is trying to get me to apologize.

The more he tried to get me to apologize the more hurt and angry I got.

I told him it didn't matter, but to bring a woman that close, and then

to just stop was sadistic.

I think he is jealous of my ability to orgasm.

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> I went to see a sexologist today, one of those that write books and

believe to be on top of things.. I told him about PSSD hoping that he

has heard of it and maybe has something to offer ( " being a sex

guru " " right!?) atleast information or maybe other patients that he has

with this condition..and all I got is the regular shit of disbelieve..

" its just in your head! or maybe nothing wrong with you..you are

making this up.. " oh! my favorite! " you are older now! " well fu#k you!

Im 32! and I told you my testosterone is fine! ..blah blah.. I could

hardly stand it listening to what he was saying! made me feel so

small! I said 'can I please at least show you on the internet info

written about PSSD and that there other people out there saying the

things I say, I mean the computer is in front of you turned on..' no

interest whatsoever on his side.. doesn't exist and thats it!! makes

me wonder can that be a doctor..doesn't want to hear me out.. the

people that I go to for help are

> being of no help whatsoever..in fact by not believing me they make

it that much harder.. anyway..needless to say how upset I am right

now.. although I was kinna expecting it..

> If it wasn't for the people on this board..I don't know.. would

probably start doubting myself.. maybe start believing that it really

is just in my head.. this whole thing more and more starts to look

like a bad joke to me... doctors are useless!! I proved it to my self

today once again! we are on our own to find a cure!!

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Does your husband openly admit that he has PSSD? If so, I don't understand how could that be your fault!? As a couple, you guys are in this together, should fight it together, and should do the best you can of the situation for the time being. If you can orgasm thats great, he should respect that, and do the best he can to keep you sexually satisfied.This will keep your intimacy alive, and thats good for both sides.Some even say that there is a bigger chance of recovery of PSSD if you have a partner.So,he is lucky to have you and that you are willing to stick around.Talk openly about things,this will create a strong connection between both of you, no room for feeding egos here.Its what I think anyways.h377n wrote: I know. It is soooo frustrating. I am trying to get my husband to goto a doctor....but I have been to two and they were so bad.I am not going to put him through that.I wish there was someone out there who could help us. My husband istrying to say it is my fault. But I know it isn't. I think he is justtrying to save his own ego.Last night he had me on the verge of an orgasm with kissing andtouching and then he stopped. He is trying to get me to apologize. The more he tried to get me to apologize the more hurt and angry I got.I told him it didn't matter, but to bring a woman that close, and thento just stop was sadistic. I think he is jealous of my ability to orgasm. >> I went to see a sexologist today, one of those that write books andbelieve to be on top of things.. I told him about PSSD hoping that hehas heard of it and maybe has something to offer ("being a sexguru""right!?) atleast information or maybe other patients that he haswith this condition..and all I got is the regular shit of disbelieve.."its just in your head! or maybe nothing wrong with you..you aremaking this up.." oh! my favorite! "you are older now!" well fu#k you!Im 32! and I told you my testosterone is fine! ..blah blah.. I couldhardly stand it listening to what he was saying! made me feel sosmall! I said 'can I please at least show you on the internet infowritten about PSSD and that there other people out there saying thethings I say, I mean the computer is in front of you turned on..'

nointerest whatsoever on his side.. doesn't exist and thats it!! makesme wonder can that be a doctor..doesn't want to hear me out.. thepeople that I go to for help are> being of no help whatsoever..in fact by not believing me they makeit that much harder.. anyway..needless to say how upset I am rightnow.. although I was kinna expecting it.. > If it wasn't for the people on this board..I don't know.. wouldprobably start doubting myself.. maybe start believing that it reallyis just in my head.. this whole thing more and more starts to looklike a bad joke to me... doctors are useless!! I proved it to my selftoday once again! we are on our own to find a cure!! > > > ---------------------------------> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels withYahoo! FareChase.>

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No he doesn't opennly admit to it. And since we both have a

diagnosis, I am scared to leave him and scared to go for help.

He always twists it around to my fault. If he were my first, I might

believe him. But I've been with others and I have never had a man

start to have sex and then just quit. That is one thing. But to

bring your woman so close and then say you are tired it sadistic.

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> > I went to see a sexologist today, one of those that write books

and

> believe to be on top of things.. I told him about PSSD hoping that

he

> has heard of it and maybe has something to offer ( " being a sex

> guru " " right!?) atleast information or maybe other patients that he

has

> with this condition..and all I got is the regular shit of

disbelieve..

> " its just in your head! or maybe nothing wrong with you..you are

> making this up.. " oh! my favorite! " you are older now! " well fu#k

you!

> Im 32! and I told you my testosterone is fine! ..blah blah.. I could

> hardly stand it listening to what he was saying! made me feel so

> small! I said 'can I please at least show you on the internet info

> written about PSSD and that there other people out there saying the

> things I say, I mean the computer is in front of you turned on..' no

> interest whatsoever on his side.. doesn't exist and thats it!! makes

> me wonder can that be a doctor..doesn't want to hear me out.. the

> people that I go to for help are

> > being of no help whatsoever..in fact by not believing me they make

> it that much harder.. anyway..needless to say how upset I am right

> now.. although I was kinna expecting it..

> > If it wasn't for the people on this board..I don't know.. would

> probably start doubting myself.. maybe start believing that it

really

> is just in my head.. this whole thing more and more starts to look

> like a bad joke to me... doctors are useless!! I proved it to my

self

> today once again! we are on our own to find a cure!!

> >

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Indeed, lack of libido seems to be one of, if not THE worst side effect of SSRIs. I spoke to my psychiatrist, and he claimed that PSSRI is not found in the professional literature. Yet, so many have been affected, how can they deny it? My guess is that anti-depressants are a multi-billion dollar industry, and the drug companies wish to keep the truth under wraps, at all costs. Perhaps some would think me a conspiracist, but I don't consider myself one. Vested interests wish to maintain their wealth and power, and will do what is neccesary to maintain them. I think that my psychiatrist is an honorable man, it's just that he reads the official literature, and that literature is part of The Establishment, as it were. I don't know, perhaps I am paranoid?

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There are at least 200 controlled studies going on for solution to the so-called PSSD currently. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed & DbFrom=PubMed & Cmd=Link & LinkName=pubmed_pubmed & LinkReadableName=Related%20Articles & IdsFromResult=12409684 & ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus 32yo is the beginning of a woman's sexual prime. The 'just quit' is my own symptom because the tiniest thing can impact my will to engage in sex while my body has no sexual drive since SSRI treatment. See: http://www.depressionny.com/q & a-sexualse.htm My side-effects filing to the pharmaceuticals company was followed up with their phone call to me in which they said they are unaware of any sexual side effects to Celexa, had received no other such complaints and knew of no studies in regard to such complaints. If you are both suffering, then acknowledgement of the symptoms will remove the blame game, allow restored confidence and a sense of trust in one another and possibly allow you to at least engage in intimacy that you are capable of performing. Honesty is the best policy, failing that perhaps it is time to move on to greener pastures. There are many sufferers of these side unacknowledged effects and finding another co-sufferer with an open mind may make the period of return to normal sexual function after stopping SSRI's more

bearable. Vic PS- Any lonely female sufferers in NoVA? h377n wrote: No he doesn't opennly admit to it. And since we both have a diagnosis, I am scared to leave him and scared to go for help. He always twists it around to my fault. If he were my first, I might believe him. But I've been with others and I have never had a man start to have sex and then just quit. That is one thing. But to bring your woman so close and then say you

are tired it sadistic.> >> > I went to see a sexologist today, one of those that write books and> believe to be on top of things.. I told him about PSSD hoping that he> has heard of it and maybe has something to offer ("being a sex> guru""right!?) atleast information or maybe other patients that he has> with this condition..and all I got is the regular shit of disbelieve..> "its just in your head! or maybe nothing wrong with you..you are> making this up.." oh! my favorite! "you are older now!" well fu#k you!> Im 32! and I told you my testosterone is fine! ..blah blah.. I could> hardly stand it listening to what he was saying! made me feel so> small! I said 'can I please at least show you on the internet info> written about PSSD and that there other people out there saying the> things I say, I mean the computer is in front of you turned on..' no> interest

whatsoever on his side.. doesn't exist and thats it!! makes> me wonder can that be a doctor..doesn't want to hear me out.. the> people that I go to for help are> > being of no help whatsoever..in fact by not believing me they make> it that much harder.. anyway..needless to say how upset I am right> now.. although I was kinna expecting it.. > > If it wasn't for the people on this board..I don't know.. would> probably start doubting myself.. maybe start believing that it really> is just in my head.. this whole thing more and more starts to look> like a bad joke to me... doctors are useless!! I proved it to my self> today once again! we are on our own to find a cure!! > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with> Yahoo! FareChase.> >>

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Those studies are concerening sexual side-effects while still on

SSRIs. They are not about PSSD - side effects that persist after

quitting.

Vornan

-- In SSRIsex , Victor Gammill

wrote:

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> There are at least 200 controlled studies going on for solution to

the so-called PSSD currently. See:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?

Db=pubmed & DbFrom=PubMed & Cmd=Link & LinkName=pubmed_pubmed & LinkReadableName

=Related%

20Articles & IdsFromResult=12409684 & ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntr

ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

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I presume they mean that they are aware of no studies documenting persistent sexual side effects? They surely didn't deny the existence of sexual side effects per se? They are lying in either case, but there is a difference.

Vornan

> > >> > > I went to see a sexologist today, one of those that write books > and> > believe to be on top of things.. I told him about PSSD hoping that > he> > has heard of it and maybe has something to offer ("being a sex> > guru""right!?) atleast information or maybe other patients that he > has> > with this condition..and all I got is the regular shit of > disbelieve..> > "its just in your head! or maybe nothing wrong with you..you are> > making this up.." oh! my favorite! "you are older now!" well fu#k > you!> > Im 32! and I told you my testosterone is fine! ..blah blah.. I could> > hardly stand it listening to what he was saying! made me feel so> > small! I said 'can I please at least show you on the internet info> > written about PSSD and that there other people out there saying the> > things I say, I mean the computer is in front of you turned on..' no> > interest whatsoever on his side.. doesn't exist and thats it!! makes> > me wonder can that be a doctor..doesn't want to hear me out.. the> > people that I go to for help are> > > being of no help whatsoever..in fact by not believing me they make> > it that much harder.. anyway..needless to say how upset I am right> > now.. although I was kinna expecting it.. > > > If it wasn't for the people on this board..I don't know.. would> > probably start doubting myself.. maybe start believing that it > really> > is just in my head.. this whole thing more and more starts to look> > like a bad joke to me... doctors are useless!! I proved it to my > self> > today once again! we are on our own to find a cure!! > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with> > Yahoo! FareChase.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s > user panel and lay it on us.> >>

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My husband does the same thing! youre not alone! He will get the

engine running full speed then decide oops got to go get something to

eat (hes diabetic)to make sure he doesnt drop too low in blood sugar

but NEVER COMES BACK!! after laying there an hour fuming, I got up

and he was in the living room sitting on the couch watching TV

cutting his toenails!! I thought to myself NEVER again! there are

many ways to be intimate with out intercourse yet, he seems unwilling

to travel any of those avenues! I told him once, only once I have

just turned 40, comfortable with myself and finally more than willing

to do anything, and he wants no part of it so that if he EVER did

that to me again id never let him touch me again! (now hes done this

to me more times than i can count!) I told him the next morning that

i was sorry and didnt mean that because i was hurt and upset with

him. He still wants to pet and play but never finishes and it is

EXTREMELY Frustrating!! of course thoughts of cheating run thru my

mind but I could never do it nor hurt him like that just because I

was mad hurt and frustrated. I have explained to him that this paxil

is the issue. Explained how we have a chance to be back to our sexual

selves, yet he fights me and tells me he is sick when he comes off or

weans down. SO i guess for him, his choice is the med over me. SO

BE IT, but one can only wait so long before my hurt and desires will

over take my not wanting to hurt his feelings! when we go to his

doctor again SHE is getting an earful!! he already told me not to say

anything about reducing his meds to her so she wont reduce the

prescription, well I SURE AM!

[Guest guest]

> Indeed, lack of libido seems to be one of, if not THE worst side effect of

> SSRIs. I spoke to my psychiatrist, and he claimed that PSSRI is not found in

> the professional literature. Yet, so many have been affected, how can they

> deny it? My guess is that anti-depressants are a multi-billion dollar

industry,

> and the drug companies wish to keep the truth under wraps, at all costs.

> Perhaps some would think me a conspiracist, but I don't consider myself one.

> Vested interests wish to maintain their wealth and power, and will do what is

> neccesary to maintain them. I think that my psychiatrist is an honorable man,

> it's just that he reads the official literature, and that literature is part

of

> The Establishment, as it were. I don't know, perhaps I am paranoid?

You don't sound the least bit paranoid. It sounds as if you have a very good

grasp of the

situation. Of course, the drug companies want to keep this under wraps, but they

won't be

able to do so indefinitely. Honorable man or not, if your psychiatrist insists

upon basing his

entire viewpoint of the matter on the professional literature, rather than

taking into account

his own patients' experiences, he should go into research for one of the drug

companies and

stop seeing patients.

River

[Guest guest]

Thank you for replying!!

This is soo frustrating! I have thought about leaving him so many

times. If he would just pleasure me, I wouldn't mind. But to get me

all excited and then just stop.

Just like yours, my husband will stop and say he has to eat something.

And then, never come back!!!

In reading you email you said you would give the doctor an

earful...that will not help your husband and in the long run yourself.

I am willing to be understanding to my husband. But I think he has to

think about me. He loves food. How would he feel I pulled the plate

away from him as he was eating. That's what I feel he does to me with sex.

This last incident happened on Monday night. The next day I did twoo

things, made an appointment with a doctor who is anit-big pharma And

started looking for another guy!

I am too scared to tell him about the appointment, because he always

gets really mad. I am too proud to cheat.

>

> My husband does the same thing! youre not alone! He will get the

> engine running full speed then decide oops got to go get something to

> eat (hes diabetic)to make sure he doesnt drop too low in blood sugar

> but NEVER COMES BACK!! after laying there an hour fuming, I got up

> and he was in the living room sitting on the couch watching TV

> cutting his toenails!! I thought to myself NEVER again! there are

> many ways to be intimate with out intercourse yet, he seems unwilling

> to travel any of those avenues! I told him once, only once I have

> just turned 40, comfortable with myself and finally more than willing

> to do anything, and he wants no part of it so that if he EVER did

> that to me again id never let him touch me again! (now hes done this

> to me more times than i can count!) I told him the next morning that

> i was sorry and didnt mean that because i was hurt and upset with

> him. He still wants to pet and play but never finishes and it is

> EXTREMELY Frustrating!! of course thoughts of cheating run thru my

> mind but I could never do it nor hurt him like that just because I

> was mad hurt and frustrated. I have explained to him that this paxil

> is the issue. Explained how we have a chance to be back to our sexual

> selves, yet he fights me and tells me he is sick when he comes off or

> weans down. SO i guess for him, his choice is the med over me. SO

> BE IT, but one can only wait so long before my hurt and desires will

> over take my not wanting to hurt his feelings! when we go to his

> doctor again SHE is getting an earful!! he already told me not to say

> anything about reducing his meds to her so she wont reduce the

> prescription, well I SURE AM!

>

[Guest guest]

What I meant by the earful, is im telling it all, hes never told her

about these issues. We assumed it was the narcotics. SO when we see

the doc Im going to spill those beans. We have been discussing

things and I think hes coming around because the other night he

asked ... should i ask the doc for viagra? now, i dont think he needs

that so much as take care of the other issue of Reducing the PAXIL!!

but he doesnt want to discuss that! hes afraid of the side effects

coming off of it. but ive been telling him about the different things

he can do, nutritionally and suppliments so I am hoping he is going

to make an effort or I might find myself looking around as well. WELL

i say that but dont know how far i can be pushed or ignored. I just

couldnt imagine doing that to him and causing him that type of hurt

> >

> > My husband does the same thing! youre not alone! He will get the

> > engine running full speed then decide oops got to go get

something to

> > eat (hes diabetic)to make sure he doesnt drop too low in blood

sugar

> > but NEVER COMES BACK!! after laying there an hour fuming, I got

up

> > and he was in the living room sitting on the couch watching TV

> > cutting his toenails!! I thought to myself NEVER again! there are

> > many ways to be intimate with out intercourse yet, he seems

unwilling

> > to travel any of those avenues! I told him once, only once I have

> > just turned 40, comfortable with myself and finally more than

willing

> > to do anything, and he wants no part of it so that if he EVER did

> > that to me again id never let him touch me again! (now hes done

this

> > to me more times than i can count!) I told him the next morning

that

> > i was sorry and didnt mean that because i was hurt and upset with

> > him. He still wants to pet and play but never finishes and it is

> > EXTREMELY Frustrating!! of course thoughts of cheating run thru

my

> > mind but I could never do it nor hurt him like that just because

I

> > was mad hurt and frustrated. I have explained to him that this

paxil

> > is the issue. Explained how we have a chance to be back to our

sexual

> > selves, yet he fights me and tells me he is sick when he comes

off or

> > weans down. SO i guess for him, his choice is the med over me.

SO

> > BE IT, but one can only wait so long before my hurt and desires

will

> > over take my not wanting to hurt his feelings! when we go to his

> > doctor again SHE is getting an earful!! he already told me not to

say

> > anything about reducing his meds to her so she wont reduce the

> > prescription, well I SURE AM!

> >

>