Re: Neurotransmitter Doctor

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking PSSD has less to do with neurotransmitters and more to

do with receptors. Levels of serotonin should return to normal after

stopping SSRIs, and they probably do, but if the expression of

serotonin receptors has been altered at the RNA (gene expression)

level, that is less likely to normalize.

Members in the group who have taken drugs that should " balance "

neurotansmitter levels such as selegiline (or Emsam) and Aurorix have

not had much success.

Problem is, I don't know an easy way to normalize expression of

receptors. You could block them with things like trazodone, but

someone just mentioned that that didn't help either. However,

trazodone is also a weak SSRI as well as a 5HT2 receptor blovker, so

that could muddy the waters. A pure receptor blocker would probbably

help more, but I'm not even sure such a thing exists.

Vornan

>

> I seem to be one of those people who extreme bouts of bad luck, to

be

> followed with really good luck.

>

> I'm currently seeing a hormone doctor, Honing, at

BodyLogicMD, a

> private natural hormone center that just opened here in Phoenix in

July

> 2007 (it's spread throughout the east US). He is testing my

testosterone

> levels and having me experiment with Clomid to see how my T levels

react.

>

> Now I just found out that there is a naturopathic doctor that

> specializes in neurotransmitters just half an hour north-east of

where I

> live. He also specializes in Thyro issues. He wrote the following

online

> article:

>

> http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902

> <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902>

>

>

> And on the opposite end, I visited my regular medical doctor this

week

> just to get him to prescribe a blood test, which I am going to turn

into

> a comprehensive Thyroid blood test. I had to make it sound like I

needed

> to check levels associated with taking the Clomid to get him to

give me

> the sheet, you know how it goes with them. It's my damn blood, I

should

> be able to test it how I see fit. Anyways, he thought I was crazy

for

> even trying Clomid. He didn't know what it was and had to look it

up on

> his PC database while I sat there, and of course it said that it is

used

> to help women ovulate. Then he gave me some garbage about how

private

> medical centers could be really bad for me. Really ironic

considering

> how SSRIs f*cked me up!

>

> I'm going to get an appointment ASAP to have my neurotransmitters

checked.

>

> Shay

>

[Guest guest]

What about the people that have been helped by wellbutrin for

example? isnt that due to the raise in their dopamine levels? Im not

an expert but that means that increasing dopamine levels helped

balance their brain chemicals..

Im thinking of trying a herb called velvet beans which is suppose to

carry a large amount of l-dopa, which transfers itself into dopamine

in the brain. Do u have any suggestions regarding this herb. Many

thanks

> >

> > I seem to be one of those people who extreme bouts of bad luck,

to

> be

> > followed with really good luck.

> >

> > I'm currently seeing a hormone doctor, Honing, at

> BodyLogicMD, a

> > private natural hormone center that just opened here in Phoenix

in

> July

> > 2007 (it's spread throughout the east US). He is testing my

> testosterone

> > levels and having me experiment with Clomid to see how my T

levels

> react.

> >

> > Now I just found out that there is a naturopathic doctor that

> > specializes in neurotransmitters just half an hour north-east of

> where I

> > live. He also specializes in Thyro issues. He wrote the

following

> online

> > article:

> >

> > http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902

> > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902>

> >

> >

> > And on the opposite end, I visited my regular medical doctor

this

> week

> > just to get him to prescribe a blood test, which I am going to

turn

> into

> > a comprehensive Thyroid blood test. I had to make it sound like

I

> needed

> > to check levels associated with taking the Clomid to get him to

> give me

> > the sheet, you know how it goes with them. It's my damn blood, I

> should

> > be able to test it how I see fit. Anyways, he thought I was

crazy

> for

> > even trying Clomid. He didn't know what it was and had to look

it

> up on

> > his PC database while I sat there, and of course it said that it

is

> used

> > to help women ovulate. Then he gave me some garbage about how

> private

> > medical centers could be really bad for me. Really ironic

> considering

> > how SSRIs f*cked me up!

> >

> > I'm going to get an appointment ASAP to have my

neurotransmitters

> checked.

> >

> > Shay

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, wellbutrin certainly does help some people. But for some people

it has no effect or they get worse. Could be something to do with

serotonin - wellbutrin has a small effect on seorotonin, and if

you're very sensitive to that, it could be detrimental.

But you're right: that still doesn't explain the receptor issue. It

could be that PSSD is a heterogeneous disorder that has a lot of

variability in it's cause. For example, some people recover just by

going on TRT. That's clearly got nothing to do with receptors or

neurotansmiters and is simply hormonal.

I've tried vevlet bean and it did nothing for me. That's not to say

it won't help you; you just have to give it a try.

Vornan

> > >

> > > I seem to be one of those people who extreme bouts of bad luck,

> to

> > be

> > > followed with really good luck.

> > >

> > > I'm currently seeing a hormone doctor, Honing, at

> > BodyLogicMD, a

> > > private natural hormone center that just opened here in Phoenix

> in

> > July

> > > 2007 (it's spread throughout the east US). He is testing my

> > testosterone

> > > levels and having me experiment with Clomid to see how my T

> levels

> > react.

> > >

> > > Now I just found out that there is a naturopathic doctor that

> > > specializes in neurotransmitters just half an hour north-east

of

> > where I

> > > live. He also specializes in Thyro issues. He wrote the

> following

> > online

> > > article:

> > >

> > > http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> > Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-

and... & id=19902

> > > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> > Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-

and... & id=19902>

> > >

> > >

> > > And on the opposite end, I visited my regular medical doctor

> this

> > week

> > > just to get him to prescribe a blood test, which I am going to

> turn

> > into

> > > a comprehensive Thyroid blood test. I had to make it sound like

> I

> > needed

> > > to check levels associated with taking the Clomid to get him to

> > give me

> > > the sheet, you know how it goes with them. It's my damn blood,

I

> > should

> > > be able to test it how I see fit. Anyways, he thought I was

> crazy

> > for

> > > even trying Clomid. He didn't know what it was and had to look

> it

> > up on

> > > his PC database while I sat there, and of course it said that

it

> is

> > used

> > > to help women ovulate. Then he gave me some garbage about how

> > private

> > > medical centers could be really bad for me. Really ironic

> > considering

> > > how SSRIs f*cked me up!

> > >

> > > I'm going to get an appointment ASAP to have my

> neurotransmitters

> > checked.

> > >

> > > Shay

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

....it's also quite possible that wellbutrin does not help for some

people because of persistent 5HT receptor alterations. Specifically,

if the SSRI has over-sensitized or increased the number of the

postsynaptic 5HT recpetors to serotonin, then they will behave as

though there is still a large amount of serotonin around even if it's

not. That's why you feel like you're still on an SSRI. And even

just a slight increase in serotonin levels (from wellbutrin,

selegiline, trazodone or whatever) will make things worse. The

solution would be to decrease the number or sensitivity of the

postsynaptic 5HT repeptors.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > I seem to be one of those people who extreme bouts of bad

luck,

> > to

> > > be

> > > > followed with really good luck.

> > > >

> > > > I'm currently seeing a hormone doctor, Honing, at

> > > BodyLogicMD, a

> > > > private natural hormone center that just opened here in

Phoenix

> > in

> > > July

> > > > 2007 (it's spread throughout the east US). He is testing my

> > > testosterone

> > > > levels and having me experiment with Clomid to see how my T

> > levels

> > > react.

> > > >

> > > > Now I just found out that there is a naturopathic doctor that

> > > > specializes in neurotransmitters just half an hour north-east

> of

> > > where I

> > > > live. He also specializes in Thyro issues. He wrote the

> > following

> > > online

> > > > article:

> > > >

> > > > http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> > > Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-

> and... & id=19902

> > > > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-

Deficiency-

> > > Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-

> and... & id=19902>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And on the opposite end, I visited my regular medical doctor

> > this

> > > week

> > > > just to get him to prescribe a blood test, which I am going

to

> > turn

> > > into

> > > > a comprehensive Thyroid blood test. I had to make it sound

like

> > I

> > > needed

> > > > to check levels associated with taking the Clomid to get him

to

> > > give me

> > > > the sheet, you know how it goes with them. It's my damn

blood,

> I

> > > should

> > > > be able to test it how I see fit. Anyways, he thought I was

> > crazy

> > > for

> > > > even trying Clomid. He didn't know what it was and had to

look

> > it

> > > up on

> > > > his PC database while I sat there, and of course it said that

> it

> > is

> > > used

> > > > to help women ovulate. Then he gave me some garbage about how

> > > private

> > > > medical centers could be really bad for me. Really ironic

> > > considering

> > > > how SSRIs f*cked me up!

> > > >

> > > > I'm going to get an appointment ASAP to have my

> > neurotransmitters

> > > checked.

> > > >

> > > > Shay

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How long do these alterations take?

The big change for me happened overnight, after taking one 75mg effexor.

It was too much to start with. I had shivers, had to use the bathroom a

lot, kept waking up, sweating and a fever, and dry heaving the next

morning, along with total numbness between my legs.

I wish I knew exactly what happened in this instance, what exactly was

affected so quickly to make all of this happen so suddenly.

Shay

Vornan-19 (moderator) wrote:

>

> I'm thinking PSSD has less to do with neurotransmitters and more to

> do with receptors. Levels of serotonin should return to normal after

> stopping SSRIs, and they probably do, but if the expression of

> serotonin receptors has been altered at the RNA (gene expression)

> level, that is less likely to normalize.

>

> Members in the group who have taken drugs that should " balance "

> neurotansmitter levels such as selegiline (or Emsam) and Aurorix have

> not had much success.

>

> Problem is, I don't know an easy way to normalize expression of

> receptors. You could block them with things like trazodone, but

> someone just mentioned that that didn't help either. However,

> trazodone is also a weak SSRI as well as a 5HT2 receptor blovker, so

> that could muddy the waters. A pure receptor blocker would probbably

> help more, but I'm not even sure such a thing exists.

>

> Vornan

>

>

> >

> > I seem to be one of those people who extreme bouts of bad luck, to

> be

> > followed with really good luck.

> >

> > I'm currently seeing a hormone doctor, Honing, at

> BodyLogicMD, a

> > private natural hormone center that just opened here in Phoenix in

> July

> > 2007 (it's spread throughout the east US). He is testing my

> testosterone

> > levels and having me experiment with Clomid to see how my T levels

> react.

> >

> > Now I just found out that there is a naturopathic doctor that

> > specializes in neurotransmitters just half an hour north-east of

> where I

> > live. He also specializes in Thyro issues. He wrote the following

> online

> > article:

> >

> > http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency->

> Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902

> > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency->

> Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902>

> >

> >

> > And on the opposite end, I visited my regular medical doctor this

> week

> > just to get him to prescribe a blood test, which I am going to turn

> into

> > a comprehensive Thyroid blood test. I had to make it sound like I

> needed

> > to check levels associated with taking the Clomid to get him to

> give me

> > the sheet, you know how it goes with them. It's my damn blood, I

> should

> > be able to test it how I see fit. Anyways, he thought I was crazy

> for

> > even trying Clomid. He didn't know what it was and had to look it

> up on

> > his PC database while I sat there, and of course it said that it is

> used

> > to help women ovulate. Then he gave me some garbage about how

> private

> > medical centers could be really bad for me. Really ironic

> considering

> > how SSRIs f*cked me up!

> >

> > I'm going to get an appointment ASAP to have my neurotransmitters

> checked.

> >

> > Shay

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

In theory an epigenetic change could happen overnight. Your reaction

sounds very severe though - I'm not sure in this case.

Vornan

> > >

> > > I seem to be one of those people who extreme bouts of bad luck,

to

> > be

> > > followed with really good luck.

> > >

> > > I'm currently seeing a hormone doctor, Honing, at

> > BodyLogicMD, a

> > > private natural hormone center that just opened here in Phoenix

in

> > July

> > > 2007 (it's spread throughout the east US). He is testing my

> > testosterone

> > > levels and having me experiment with Clomid to see how my T

levels

> > react.

> > >

> > > Now I just found out that there is a naturopathic doctor that

> > > specializes in neurotransmitters just half an hour north-east of

> > where I

> > > live. He also specializes in Thyro issues. He wrote the

following

> > online

> > > article:

> > >

> > > http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency->

> > Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-and... & id=19902

> > > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency-

> > <http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Neurotransmitter-Deficiency->

> > Disorder-and-How-Can-It-Cause-Depression,-Anxiety,-

and... & id=19902>

> > >

> > >

> > > And on the opposite end, I visited my regular medical doctor

this

> > week

> > > just to get him to prescribe a blood test, which I am going to

turn

> > into

> > > a comprehensive Thyroid blood test. I had to make it sound like

I

> > needed

> > > to check levels associated with taking the Clomid to get him to

> > give me

> > > the sheet, you know how it goes with them. It's my damn blood, I

> > should

> > > be able to test it how I see fit. Anyways, he thought I was

crazy

> > for

> > > even trying Clomid. He didn't know what it was and had to look

it

> > up on

> > > his PC database while I sat there, and of course it said that

it is

> > used

> > > to help women ovulate. Then he gave me some garbage about how

> > private

> > > medical centers could be really bad for me. Really ironic

> > considering

> > > how SSRIs f*cked me up!

> > >

> > > I'm going to get an appointment ASAP to have my

neurotransmitters

> > checked.

> > >

> > > Shay

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So the Clomid didn't do anything other than cause wild mood swings and

hopelessness. I found a new doctor through random luck, this one does

applied kinesiology, acupuncture, cranio-sacral, chiropractic etc.

What amazed me was how accurate he was at diagnosing me. He used some

kind of hands-on maneuver and demonstrated that my adrenal glands were

not functioning correctly. He asked me to apply resistance in my legs

while he pulled them apart. He easily did so, then tapped me in the

chestbone, repeated, and all of a sudden I could hold them together. A

few pokes and prods here and there then he told me that my dopamine

level was screwed up, and that that back of my neck needed serious fixing.

He put some kind of strap around my chest/heart and measured my nervous

system activity lying down, then standing up. Apparently, my

parasympathetic nervous system is hardly working at all, which explains

why I can't sleep, feel exhausted, and get sick constantly. I've gotten

sick / infections like 6 times this years. He said that my sympathetic

nervous system is in overdrive, explaining the restlessness, constant

need to be doing something, and super-fast metabolism.

Next up I am going to take a neurotransmitter pee test, but for now he

has me doing the following to get my nervous system rebalanced:

-a mixture of kava, oats, and damiana 3 times a day

-DMAE H3 2 times a day

-an intense 15 minute workout twice per day

-alternate nostril breathing 10 mint twice per day (haven't looked this

up yet in the workbook)

-Novedex tesosterone booster to see if I can naturally raise my T

levels (6,17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol,

3,17-keto-etiochol-triene, 3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone..... no

idea what this stuff is)

Oh yeah, I told him the story of how this all came about from zoloft

then effexor, and he completely agreed. How often do you hear a doctor

say that?

Shay

[Guest guest]

slow downShay O'Neil wrote: So the Clomid didn't do anything other than cause wild mood swings and hopelessness. I found a new doctor through random luck, this one does applied kinesiology, acupuncture, cranio-sacral, chiropractic etc.What amazed me was how accurate he was at diagnosing me. He used some kind of hands-on maneuver and demonstrated that my adrenal glands were not functioning correctly. He asked me to apply resistance in my legs while he pulled them apart. He easily did so, then tapped

me in the chestbone, repeated, and all of a sudden I could hold them together. A few pokes and prods here and there then he told me that my dopamine level was screwed up, and that that back of my neck needed serious fixing.He put some kind of strap around my chest/heart and measured my nervous system activity lying down, then standing up. Apparently, my parasympathetic nervous system is hardly working at all, which explains why I can't sleep, feel exhausted, and get sick constantly. I've gotten sick / infections like 6 times this years. He said that my sympathetic nervous system is in overdrive, explaining the restlessness, constant need to be doing something, and super-fast metabolism.Next up I am going to take a neurotransmitter pee test, but for now he has me doing the following to get my nervous system rebalanced:-a mixture of kava, oats, and damiana 3 times a day-DMAE H3 2 times a day-an intense

15 minute workout twice per day-alternate nostril breathing 10 mint twice per day (haven't looked this up yet in the workbook)-Novedex tesosterone booster to see if I can naturally raise my T levels (6,17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol, 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene, 3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone..... no idea what this stuff is)Oh yeah, I told him the story of how this all came about from zoloft then effexor, and he completely agreed. How often do you hear a doctor say that?Shay

[Guest guest]

Where do you find a doctor like this?

>

> So the Clomid didn't do anything other than cause wild mood swings

and

> hopelessness. I found a new doctor through random luck, this one

does

> applied kinesiology, acupuncture, cranio-sacral, chiropractic etc.

>

> What amazed me was how accurate he was at diagnosing me. He used

some

> kind of hands-on maneuver and demonstrated that my adrenal glands

were

> not functioning correctly. He asked me to apply resistance in my

legs

> while he pulled them apart. He easily did so, then tapped me in the

> chestbone, repeated, and all of a sudden I could hold them

together. A

> few pokes and prods here and there then he told me that my dopamine

> level was screwed up, and that that back of my neck needed serious

fixing.

>

> He put some kind of strap around my chest/heart and measured my

nervous

> system activity lying down, then standing up. Apparently, my

> parasympathetic nervous system is hardly working at all, which

explains

> why I can't sleep, feel exhausted, and get sick constantly. I've

gotten

> sick / infections like 6 times this years. He said that my

sympathetic

> nervous system is in overdrive, explaining the restlessness,

constant

> need to be doing something, and super-fast metabolism.

>

> Next up I am going to take a neurotransmitter pee test, but for now

he

> has me doing the following to get my nervous system rebalanced:

>

> -a mixture of kava, oats, and damiana 3 times a day

> -DMAE H3 2 times a day

> -an intense 15 minute workout twice per day

> -alternate nostril breathing 10 mint twice per day (haven't looked

this

> up yet in the workbook)

> -Novedex tesosterone booster to see if I can naturally raise my T

> levels (6,17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol,

> 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene, 3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone.....

no

> idea what this stuff is)

>

>

> Oh yeah, I told him the story of how this all came about from

zoloft

> then effexor, and he completely agreed. How often do you hear a

doctor

> say that?

>

> Shay

>

[Guest guest]

hopefully he is right. There is a definite connection for me with

parasympathatic system. I used to get aroused right before falling

alseep. But now I have seem to lost that too...sucks.

I dont know if this guy who wrote this is the same guy but it shows the

difference between sympathetic and parasympathetic. I seem to have some

symptoms from parasympathetic but usually more from the symapathetic

side. Before SSRI, I was definitely a parasympatheic guy, lazy,

depressed and very sexual.

http://www.theelementsofhealth.com/uploads/Parasympathetic.pdf

[Guest guest]

Was this an actual medical doctor or a chiropractic doctor? There is a difference. _____________________________________________________________________

Re: Neurotransmitter Doctor

Where do you find a doctor like this?>> So the Clomid didn't do anything other than cause wild mood swings and > hopelessness. I found a new doctor through random luck, this one does > applied kinesiology, acupuncture, cranio-sacral, chiropractic etc.> > What amazed me was how accurate he was at diagnosing me. He used some > kind of hands-on maneuver and demonstrated that my adrenal glands were > not functioning correctly. He asked me to apply resistance in my legs > while he pulled them apart. He easily did so, then tapped me in the > chestbone, repeated, and all of a sudden I could hold them together. A > few pokes and prods here and there then he told me

that my dopamine > level was screwed up, and that that back of my neck needed serious fixing.> > He put some kind of strap around my chest/heart and measured my nervous > system activity lying down, then standing up. Apparently, my > parasympathetic nervous system is hardly working at all, which explains > why I can't sleep, feel exhausted, and get sick constantly. I've gotten > sick / infections like 6 times this years. He said that my sympathetic > nervous system is in overdrive, explaining the restlessness, constant > need to be doing something, and super-fast metabolism.> > Next up I am going to take a neurotransmitter pee test, but for now he > has me doing the following to get my nervous system rebalanced:> > -a mixture of kava, oats, and damiana 3 times a day> -DMAE H3 2 times a day> -an intense 15 minute

workout twice per day> -alternate nostril breathing 10 mint twice per day (haven't looked this > up yet in the workbook)> -Novedex tesosterone booster to see if I can naturally raise my T > levels (6,17-keto-etiochol eve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol, > 3,17-keto-etiochol- triene, 3',5,7-trihydroxy- 4'-methoxyflavon e..... no > idea what this stuff is)> > > Oh yeah, I told him the story of how this all came about from zoloft > then effexor, and he completely agreed. How often do you hear a doctor > say that?> > Shay>__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>

> So the Clomid didn't do anything other than cause wild mood swings and

> hopelessness.

This makes the Nolvadex test redundant then. Didn't you have your

hormone levels tested in the past? If so, this would establish a

baseline from that time. Then if you are retested after taking

the clomid, your T level should have risen. This then concludes that

your endocrine system is functional.

I found a new doctor through random luck, this one does

> applied kinesiology, acupuncture, cranio-sacral, chiropractic etc.

>

> What amazed me was how accurate he was at diagnosing me. He used some

> kind of hands-on maneuver and demonstrated that my adrenal glands were

> not functioning correctly. He asked me to apply resistance in my legs

> while he pulled them apart. He easily did so, then tapped me in the

> chestbone, repeated, and all of a sudden I could hold them together.

I don't want to sound too pessimistic, but I want to ask if it was

possible that the doctor used pressure points on nerves that would

also have prevented the movement of your legs?

A

> few pokes and prods here and there then he told me that my dopamine

> level was screwed up, and that that back of my neck needed serious

fixing.

Do you have a history of pain or injury to your neck?

I really hope your not just being duped into becoming a chiropractic

customer. I have had serious neck injury's for over ten years, it took

about ten visits just to find the right adjustment that made it feel

better. And then doing weight training actually straightened it out

more than anything ever has. I now have full range of motion back.

>

> He put some kind of strap around my chest/heart and measured my nervous

> system activity lying down, then standing up. Apparently, my

> parasympathetic nervous system is hardly working at all, which explains

> why I can't sleep, feel exhausted, and get sick constantly. I've gotten

> sick / infections like 6 times this years. He said that my sympathetic

> nervous system is in overdrive, explaining the restlessness, constant

> need to be doing something, and super-fast metabolism.

>

> Next up I am going to take a neurotransmitter pee test, but for now he

> has me doing the following to get my nervous system rebalanced:

I have never heard of a neurotransmitter pee test. I thought one never

existed since the number one pseudo-medicine justification for

prescribing the most dangerous drugs ever invented was " you have a

chemical imbalance " despite the obvious fact that the alleged

imbalance was never physically tested. As I recall, some people even

told me that no such test actually exists. Long story short, I would

like to know more about this test. Is there a name for it? A link to

more information?

Oats are good for the nervous system. I think the doctor made a good

call on that.

BTW, Nolvadex is an estrogen blocker drug that binds to estrogen

receptors but does not prevent it's formation. It is used as a

treatment for breast cancer. Recent studys show that it doesn't

actually change the chance of recurrence or prolong the lives of

cancer patients. If I recall correctly offhand, it may also have some

toxic effects, you may want to double check. But it looks like you

will only take it for a very short term, so the risk is minimal.

>

> -a mixture of kava, oats, and damiana 3 times a day

> -DMAE H3 2 times a day

> -an intense 15 minute workout twice per day

> -alternate nostril breathing 10 mint twice per day (haven't looked this

> up yet in the workbook)

> -Novedex tesosterone booster to see if I can naturally raise my T

> levels (6,17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol,

> 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene, 3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone..... no

> idea what this stuff is)

>

>

> Oh yeah, I told him the story of how this all came about from zoloft

> then effexor, and he completely agreed. How often do you hear a doctor

> say that?

>

> Shay

>

I have never seen or heard of a mainstream doctor agree that these

drugs cause this or any other injury. But Chinese medicine doctors

openly acknowledge these injury's. They have seen many people seeking

help for this reason, and some evidence exists that acupuncture heals

these injury's. There was a website called Remedyfind.com that t I

first read about a women who had these injury's including sexual

dysfunction healed by acupuncture. That site was recently acquired and

re-named. Also www.freedom-center.org has on the front page that they

have free acupuncture weekly, and they say it helps with medication

side effects, but it doesn't specifically mention sexual side effects.

I have experienced major relief of neuroleptic injury's by taking

10mg+/ed Lion's Mane.

I had NMS, nasua, dizziness, fainting spells, postural hypotension,

temporary blindness, dim vision, flashes, headpain, confusion,

drowsiness, sleepiness, insomnia, nightmares, loss of interest, loss

of creative drive, loss of happiness and general well being,

uncharacteristic aggressive behavior, and a host of horrific injury's

ever since I was confined and chemically assaulted.(17 months later =

permanant).

Almost all of these debilitating and disabling injury's have been

significantly improved with Lion's Mane.

My injury's are caused by a neuroleptic drug. I am hoping some one who

suffers from SSRI injury's will try this suppliment and find some

benefit from it also.

[Guest guest]

This is indeed his website:

http://www.theelementsofhealth.com/

He also has a 300 page health workbook that covers all aspects of good

health. I like it so far, especially the way he emphasizes how

medications are used to treat symptoms, not causes.

He is a chiropractic doctor that openly says that he combines western

and eastern ways of healing, ie the Chinese aspect mentioned. He asked

if I had done chiropractic before, which I said yes for my back and

that it didn't do much. So we'll be skipping it for now until I get the

rest of me into shape. He may not be an MD, but who cares? I want a

person to help fix me, their title doesn't concern me if they can.

Besides, every single person on this board got f*cked by standard

doctors and their rush to feed us drugs that pay their bills.

The novedex is just another test to see if I can get my T levels back

up without the HCG shots. It's an aromatase inhibitor, slightly

different acting than a pure anti-estrogen like clomid. Plus, it has no

side effects like clomid did. I really don't think that it will help,

but who knows? Maybe I just need to get my other hormones balanced

first then maybe it will.

As for the neurotransmitter pee test, I'm not so sure about that

either. The website of the lab doing the test (mail-in) is www.neurorelief.com.

From what I have read so far, some people claim it is worthless, that

you need to use the BEAM brain scan that Dr. R. Braverman explains

in his books (The Edge Effect). On the other hand, Braverman openly

advocates the use of antidepressants on balancing out the

neurotransmitters, so I don't know how much of his stuff to believe.

But hey, peeing in a cup is easy, so it's worth a try. The doc said

that what happens after that is I take natural supplements to boost up

the neurotransmitters while my body turns back on.

I'll keep you guys posted how I'm feeling in the coming weeks. So far I

love this kava mixture, it makes me feel so incredibly relaxed.

Shay

survivor030406 wrote:

>

> So the Clomid didn't do anything other than cause wild mood swings

and

> hopelessness.

This makes the Nolvadex test redundant then. Didn't you have your

hormone levels tested in the past? If so, this would establish a

baseline from that time. Then if you are retested after taking

the clomid, your T level should have risen. This then concludes that

your endocrine system is functional.

I found a new doctor through random luck, this one does

> applied kinesiology, acupuncture, cranio-sacral, chiropractic etc.

>

> What amazed me was how accurate he was at diagnosing me. He used

some

> kind of hands-on maneuver and demonstrated that my adrenal glands

were

> not functioning correctly. He asked me to apply resistance in my

legs

> while he pulled them apart. He easily did so, then tapped me in

the

> chestbone, repeated, and all of a sudden I could hold them

together.

I don't want to sound too pessimistic, but I want to ask if it was

possible that the doctor used pressure points on nerves that would

also have prevented the movement of your legs?

A

> few pokes and prods here and there then he told me that my

dopamine

> level was screwed up, and that that back of my neck needed serious

fixing.

Do you have a history of pain or injury to your neck?

I really hope your not just being duped into becoming a chiropractic

customer. I have had serious neck injury's for over ten years, it took

about ten visits just to find the right adjustment that made it feel

better. And then doing weight training actually straightened it out

more than anything ever has. I now have full range of motion back.

>

> He put some kind of strap around my chest/heart and measured my

nervous

> system activity lying down, then standing up. Apparently, my

> parasympathetic nervous system is hardly working at all, which

explains

> why I can't sleep, feel exhausted, and get sick constantly. I've

gotten

> sick / infections like 6 times this years. He said that my

sympathetic

> nervous system is in overdrive, explaining the restlessness,

constant

> need to be doing something, and super-fast metabolism.

>

> Next up I am going to take a neurotransmitter pee test, but for

now he

> has me doing the following to get my nervous system rebalanced:

I have never heard of a neurotransmitter pee test. I thought one never

existed since the number one pseudo-medicine justification for

prescribing the most dangerous drugs ever invented was "you have a

chemical imbalance" despite the obvious fact that the alleged

imbalance was never physically tested. As I recall, some people even

told me that no such test actually exists. Long story short, I would

like to know more about this test. Is there a name for it? A link to

more information?

Oats are good for the nervous system. I think the doctor made a good

call on that.

BTW, Nolvadex is an estrogen blocker drug that binds to estrogen

receptors but does not prevent it's formation. It is used as a

treatment for breast cancer. Recent studys show that it doesn't

actually change the chance of recurrence or prolong the lives of

cancer patients. If I recall correctly offhand, it may also have some

toxic effects, you may want to double check. But it looks like you

will only take it for a very short term, so the risk is minimal.

>

> -a mixture of kava, oats, and damiana 3 times a day

> -DMAE H3 2 times a day

> -an intense 15 minute workout twice per day

> -alternate nostril breathing 10 mint twice per day (haven't looked

this

> up yet in the workbook)

> -Novedex tesosterone booster to see if I can naturally raise my T

> levels (6,17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol,

> 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene, 3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone.....

no

> idea what this stuff is)

>

>

> Oh yeah, I told him the story of how this all came about from

zoloft

> then effexor, and he completely agreed. How often do you hear a

doctor

> say that?

>

> Shay

>

I have never seen or heard of a mainstream doctor agree that these

drugs cause this or any other injury. But Chinese medicine doctors

openly acknowledge these injury's. They have seen many people seeking

help for this reason, and some evidence exists that acupuncture heals

these injury's. There was a website called Remedyfind.com that t I

first read about a women who had these injury's including sexual

dysfunction healed by acupuncture. That site was recently acquired and

re-named. Also www.freedom-center.org has on the front page that

they

have free acupuncture weekly, and they say it helps with medication

side effects, but it doesn't specifically mention sexual side effects.

I have experienced major relief of neuroleptic injury's by taking

10mg+/ed Lion's Mane.

I had NMS, nasua, dizziness, fainting spells, postural hypotension,

temporary blindness, dim vision, flashes, headpain, confusion,

drowsiness, sleepiness, insomnia, nightmares, loss of interest, loss

of creative drive, loss of happiness and general well being,

uncharacteristic aggressive behavior, and a host of horrific injury's

ever since I was confined and chemically assaulted.(17 months later =

permanant).

Almost all of these debilitating and disabling injury's have been

significantly improved with Lion's Mane.

My injury's are caused by a neuroleptic drug. I am hoping some one who

suffers from SSRI injury's will try this suppliment and find some

benefit from it also.