Re: Cialis

[Guest guest]

Very interesting and good to see. Were you taking the Cialis &

Aurorix during the same cycle? Or 4 weeks Aurorix, 4 weeks Cialis?

Cialis is the only drug that I feel improved my situation from a

sexual standpoint. But I was bothered by some of the side effects

and had to stop. Your dissolve in water method seems like a great

idea.

Luther

>

> ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and cycling

that

> too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

contributed

> to the " permanent " improvements.

> A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

water

> and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you 5mg

of

> cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg twice a

week

> or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you don't

have

> to plan to have sex.

>

> Vornan

>

[Guest guest]

Are we talking about Auriox the antidepressant? I thought the idea

was to stay away from these as our problem is caused by an

antidepressant? Im slightly confused...

Voran, you may want to give Mucuna Pruriens another go in teh liquid

form if you havnt already tried to help sensation, i can provide the

website where i buy from, in the UK however..

For those who asked how i am getting on with Mucuna Pruriens, i am

about to start my 2nd cycle of the 3week and 1week course with this

herb. I would rather give the definate results at the end of this

2month course i, rather than give updates as i would not want to

build up any hopes if it doesnt work out in the end...

> >

> > ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and

cycling

> that

> > too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

> contributed

> > to the " permanent " improvements.

> > A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

> water

> > and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you 5mg

> of

> > cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg twice

a

> week

> > or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you

don't

> have

> > to plan to have sex.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

interesting to know that this combination is working for you, it

would imply that the effects of these things are the route cause of

the problem.

if taking the maoi which increases the amount of noradrenaline,

serotonin, adrenaline and dopamine with cialis which has its effect

on nitric oxide then maybe all or a few of these things have been

affected by taking the ssri,

when i took arginine which converts to nitric oxide with pycnogenol

which is supposed to stimulate the enzyme responsible for that

conversion, i got night time and morning erections.

when i stopped taking these two things the erections also stopped!!

i believe that nitric oxide is first released from nerves in the

penis that initiate an increased flow of blood to that point, then as

pressure builds up inside the penis more nitric oxide is released

from pressure exerted on endothelial cells in the penis, something

disrupting this process will produce an inability to get an erection.

if ssris have effected this mechanism then i find it interesting how

drugs companies have drugs to cause this problem and also to solve

it, as everyone with pssd has at least a response the a nitric oxide

viagra type drug!

i personally suspect foul play! and it would be interesting to find

out what the earliest case of pssd is!!! as ssris were around before

drugs like viagra came about!!!! and no case of this happening in the

years before drugs like viagra is pretty damming evidence!!! that

points towards additional compounds being manufactured into the

already regulated compounds...

however the fact that your taking the maoi and you feel its also

contributing to the effects your having is intriguing, if you feel

the increased amount of neurotransmitters are having an effect then

my theory is either a reduction of your own neurotransmitter

production or a reduction in the amount or susceptibility of the

brain and skin receptors for all or some of these neurotransmitters.

being on ssris will decrease the amount or susceptibility of

receptors specific to the ones that are in an increased amount by the

inhibition of there re-uptake.

after discontinuing an ssri your own production of the

neurotransmitters involved will be insufficient enough to stimulate

the reduced/resting or dare i say damaged receptors.

your brain will always try and find its own equilibrium, if time

alone dose not resolve the problem then it would be reasonable to

assume that permanent damage has taken place by the ssri.

and in that case the only line of hope would be that of stem cell

treatments for parkinson's...

it would be helpful if the drug companies gave us a better

explanation of a ssris effects like how do they inhibit the re-uptake

of serotonin?

its my guess that molecular binding has something to do with it and

possibly in some individuals binding is permanent or binding is

frequent or long lasting enough to damage synapses...

mri has shown that long periods of time on ssris actually changes

brain structure...

it would be interesting to see the effects on brain activity of a

patient with pssd while undergoing an fmri scan while being subjected

to erotic images, and then comparing them to a normal control

subject...

it would be even more interesting to find a doctor that has been on

ssris.... as i don't believe you will find one!!

another theory of mine if your interested is the guts or bowels or

intestines, ive read that drug reside can linger around for quite

some time so the possibility of prolonged sustained release after

discontinuing any drug is a possibility.....colonic for everyone

then....i don't hold much hope this being an answer but if there is

any truth in this then it may have a limited effect..

>

> ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and cycling

that

> too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

contributed

> to the " permanent " improvements.

> A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

water

> and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you 5mg of

> cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg twice a

week

> or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you don't

have

> to plan to have sex.

>

> Vornan

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know how long all of you have been off antidepressants, but ill tell you

it does get better, that's if you not idiots like me. I made it to the 4 year

mark and things were allot better, but I guess good was not good enough. I went

on wellbutrin for a month and rebounded right to where I was before. I am now

post three years wellbutrin and it is better and slowly improving. I have found

as somebody said give you sexual receptors a break, even if this is hard to do.

Ill try to go three days or so and then when I am with my gf it all seems to

work well enough to satisfy both of us. It does get better, it just takes time,

and I mean years, this is why some think it won't. take it easy all and have a

nice weekend. Oh and for the men, levitra works well for those moment where

things don't work all that well.

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Re: Cialis

interesting to know that this combination is working for you, it

would imply that the effects of these things are the route cause of

the problem.

if taking the maoi which increases the amount of noradrenaline,

serotonin, adrenaline and dopamine with cialis which has its effect

on nitric oxide then maybe all or a few of these things have been

affected by taking the ssri,

when i took arginine which converts to nitric oxide with pycnogenol

which is supposed to stimulate the enzyme responsible for that

conversion, i got night time and morning erections.

when i stopped taking these two things the erections also stopped!!

i believe that nitric oxide is first released from nerves in the

penis that initiate an increased flow of blood to that point, then as

pressure builds up inside the penis more nitric oxide is released

from pressure exerted on endothelial cells in the penis, something

disrupting this process will produce an inability to get an erection.

if ssris have effected this mechanism then i find it interesting how

drugs companies have drugs to cause this problem and also to solve

it, as everyone with pssd has at least a response the a nitric oxide

viagra type drug!

i personally suspect foul play! and it would be interesting to find

out what the earliest case of pssd is!!! as ssris were around before

drugs like viagra came about!!!! and no case of this happening in the

years before drugs like viagra is pretty damming evidence!!! that

points towards additional compounds being manufactured into the

already regulated compounds...

however the fact that your taking the maoi and you feel its also

contributing to the effects your having is intriguing, if you feel

the increased amount of neurotransmitters are having an effect then

my theory is either a reduction of your own neurotransmitter

production or a reduction in the amount or susceptibility of the

brain and skin receptors for all or some of these neurotransmitters.

being on ssris will decrease the amount or susceptibility of

receptors specific to the ones that are in an increased amount by the

inhibition of there re-uptake.

after discontinuing an ssri your own production of the

neurotransmitters involved will be insufficient enough to stimulate

the reduced/resting or dare i say damaged receptors.

your brain will always try and find its own equilibrium, if time

alone dose not resolve the problem then it would be reasonable to

assume that permanent damage has taken place by the ssri.

and in that case the only line of hope would be that of stem cell

treatments for parkinson's...

it would be helpful if the drug companies gave us a better

explanation of a ssris effects like how do they inhibit the re-uptake

of serotonin?

its my guess that molecular binding has something to do with it and

possibly in some individuals binding is permanent or binding is

frequent or long lasting enough to damage synapses...

mri has shown that long periods of time on ssris actually changes

brain structure...

it would be interesting to see the effects on brain activity of a

patient with pssd while undergoing an fmri scan while being subjected

to erotic images, and then comparing them to a normal control

subject...

it would be even more interesting to find a doctor that has been on

ssris.... as i don't believe you will find one!!

another theory of mine if your interested is the guts or bowels or

intestines, ive read that drug reside can linger around for quite

some time so the possibility of prolonged sustained release after

discontinuing any drug is a possibility.....colonic for everyone

then....i don't hold much hope this being an answer but if there is

any truth in this then it may have a limited effect..

>

> ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and cycling

that

> too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

contributed

> to the " permanent " improvements.

> A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

water

> and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you 5mg of

> cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg twice a

week

> or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you don't

have

> to plan to have sex.

>

> Vornan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Luther,

I was taking the two in seperate cycles, not overlapping.

The cialis seems to work much better at 5mg/day than 20 mg twice per

week. It dissolves pretty easily in a bottle of water. You might

have to shake it a bit, but that's all. After I've drunk the first

1/4 I store it in the fridge for the next three days.

Vornan

> >

> > ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and cycling

> that

> > too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

> contributed

> > to the " permanent " improvements.

> > A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

> water

> > and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you 5mg

> of

> > cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg twice

a

> week

> > or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you don't

> have

> > to plan to have sex.

> >

> > Vornan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Aurorix is an " antidepressant " but it is reported to have pro-

sexual effects. In the papers that I have read about Aurorix, it

takes a few months of use before the effects become fully expressed.

It has also been used to " reverse " sexual side effects from SSRIs,

although in this study, the patients did not have PSSD:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?

Db=pubmed & Cmd=ShowDetailView & TermToSearch=9987207 & ordinalpos=1 & itool=E

ntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

Vornan

> > >

> > > ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and

> cycling

> > that

> > > too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

> > contributed

> > > to the " permanent " improvements.

> > > A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

> > water

> > > and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you

5mg

> > of

> > > cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg

twice

> a

> > week

> > > or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you

> don't

> > have

> > > to plan to have sex.

> > >

> > > Vornan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think there's any way the drugs could be stored in the stomach

or intestines, but they might be stored in adipose tissue. Losing

wieght might help to flush out stored drug residues. I've dropped from

210 lbs to 190 over the last few months and it's possible that could be

contributing to my improvements.

Vornan

> another theory of mine if your interested is the guts or bowels or

> intestines, ive read that drug reside can linger around for quite

> some time so the possibility of prolonged sustained release after

> discontinuing any drug is a possibility.....colonic for everyone

> then....i don't hold much hope this being an answer but if there is

> any truth in this then it may have a limited effect..

[Guest guest]

I would becareful of drugs that enhance the sexual desire there are documents of

people after wellbutrin becoming sexually supressed because it to enhances you

sex drive and remember the old saying, what goes up has to come down, that is

the same for an artifically stimulated sex drive.

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Re: Cialis

Yes, Aurorix is an " antidepressant " but it is reported to have pro-

sexual effects. In the papers that I have read about Aurorix, it

takes a few months of use before the effects become fully expressed.

It has also been used to " reverse " sexual side effects from SSRIs,

although in this study, the patients did not have PSSD:

http://www.ncbi. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?>

nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?

Db=pubmed & Cmd=ShowDetailView & TermToSearch=9987207 & ordinalpos=1 & itool=E

ntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

Vornan

> > >

> > > ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and

> cycling

> > that

> > > too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

> > contributed

> > > to the " permanent " improvements.

> > > A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle of

> > water

> > > and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you

5mg

> > of

> > > cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg

twice

> a

> > week

> > > or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you

> don't

> > have

> > > to plan to have sex.

> > >

> > > Vornan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

YUeah, I've heard of wellbutrin doing that, but not Aurorix. Don't

try to scare me.

In any case, I've been off aurorix now for a few weeks, and if

anything things have gotten better, not worse. I'm not worried at

all.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > ...I'm also taking a small amount of Cialis everyday, and

> > cycling

> > > that

> > > > too (1 month on, 1 month off). The cialis might also have

> > > contributed

> > > > to the " permanent " improvements.

> > > > A tip for taking cialis: dissolve a 20 mg tablet in a bottle

of

> > > water

> > > > and drink one quarter of the bottle per day - that gives you

> 5mg

> > > of

> > > > cialis per day, which seems to work much better than 20 mg

> twice

> > a

> > > week

> > > > or whatever. The blood levels are much more stable and you

> > don't

> > > have

> > > > to plan to have sex.

> > > >

> > > > Vornan

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

sure this could be having a sustained release effect, its effects

would only be minimal i would suspect.

i know there's a new type of mri or scan that can detect internal

deposits of fat its experimental, but it works its in london...

> > another theory of mine if your interested is the guts or bowels

or

> > intestines, ive read that drug reside can linger around for quite

> > some time so the possibility of prolonged sustained release after

> > discontinuing any drug is a possibility.....colonic for everyone

> > then....i don't hold much hope this being an answer but if there

is

> > any truth in this then it may have a limited effect..

>

[Guest guest]

oh and just realised the brain is also made of fat rite?

bit difficult to put that on a diet tho....

but maybe omega 3 would help to replace existing matter with new......

> > another theory of mine if your interested is the guts or bowels

or

> > intestines, ive read that drug reside can linger around for quite

> > some time so the possibility of prolonged sustained release after

> > discontinuing any drug is a possibility.....colonic for everyone

> > then....i don't hold much hope this being an answer but if there

is

> > any truth in this then it may have a limited effect..

>

[Guest guest]

heres a link about this subject...

http://www.drugrehab.ca/drug_detox.htm

did you know that internal body fat will only decrease from exercise

and not dieting?

> > another theory of mine if your interested is the guts or bowels

or

> > intestines, ive read that drug reside can linger around for quite

> > some time so the possibility of prolonged sustained release after

> > discontinuing any drug is a possibility.....colonic for everyone

> > then....i don't hold much hope this being an answer but if there

is

> > any truth in this then it may have a limited effect..

>

[Guest guest]

i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't want to

scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies in rats on

pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.

if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?

if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you take co

enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its

protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved by its

antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...(better

safe than sorry)

i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like me to put

up a link?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, find the reference 'cause it sounds like complete bullshit to me. There are, however, a lot of papers published in the litereture that PDE5 inhibitors can PREVENT fibrosis:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed & Cmd=ShowDetailView & TermToSearch=16258527 & ordinalpos=9 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Vornan

>> i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't want to > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies in rats on > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.> > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?> > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you take co > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved by its > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...(better > safe than sorry)> > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like me to put > up a link?>

[Guest guest]

it was a long time ago when i read this and when i started to search

this subject again i thought i had got my information back to front

but i did read this somewhere and have found where i got it from

here's the link...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B7CW7-

4BFXSMM-8 & _user=10 & _coverDate=02%2F26%

2F2004 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _ver

sion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=0a5c8dc5fa9b704aff5e8273a23160cc

it does seem to conflict with other things tho and you are not a rat

but id take a co q10 when your on pd5 just to be safe..

> >

> > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't want

to

> > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies in

rats

> on

> > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.

> >

> > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?

> >

> > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you

take co

> > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its

> > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved by its

> > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...

(better

> > safe than sorry)

> >

> > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like me

to

> put

> > up a link?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OK, but I still call it bullshit because it contradicts all of the other dozens of papers in Pubmed showing that PDE5 inhibitors prevent fibrosis. Do a Pubmed search and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed & DbFrom=pubmed & Cmd=Link & LinkName=pubmed_pubmed & LinkReadableName=Related%20Articles & IdsFromResult=17882231 & ordinalpos=4 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

I don't know what these guys did with the rats but if they gave them huge doses for long periods of time I could imagine that it would cause some damage. They may have caused priapism. A priapism will damage the penis in humans in as little as four hours.

Vornan

> > >> > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't want > to> > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies in > rats> > on> > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.> > >> > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?> > >> > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you > take co> > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its> > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved by its> > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...> (better> > > safe than sorry)> > >> > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like me > to> > put> > > up a link?> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys really want to get better or

if you just want to wallow in self-pity. You will find a problem

with ANY possible treatment modality. is right: there is a

huge amount of negativity here.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't

want

> > to

> > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies

in

> > rats

> > > on

> > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.

> > > >

> > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?

> > > >

> > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you

> > take co

> > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its

> > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved

by its

> > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...

> > (better

> > > > safe than sorry)

> > > >

> > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like

me

> > to

> > > put

> > > > up a link?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree and the negativity has to stop. I have made comments and just get

blasted in return. It takes time to heal, and only time will heal, stop looking

for the cure because there is none other then time. You all got here because you

wanted a quick fix or the drs told you it was one, it does not exist. Think

posative and don't overthing it, that alone will male the penis not rise to the

occasion.

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Re: Cialis

Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys really want to get better or

if you just want to wallow in self-pity. You will find a problem

with ANY possible treatment modality. is right: there is a

huge amount of negativity here.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't

want

> > to

> > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies

in

> > rats

> > > on

> > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.

> > > >

> > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?

> > > >

> > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you

> > take co

> > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its

> > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved

by its

> > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...

> > (better

> > > > safe than sorry)

> > > >

> > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like

me

> > to

> > > put

> > > > up a link?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Just waiting for time to heal this

sometimes works, as it did for you. That's great. But on he otehr hand, what

if you've had PSSD for more than twelve years like some of the group members

have? Would you advise them to continue to wait?

Vornan

> > > > >

> > > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i

don't

> want

> > > to

> > > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read

studies

> in

> > > rats

> > > > on

> > > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile

tissues.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a

link?

> > > > >

> > > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend

you

> > > take co

> > > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about

its

> > > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be

achieved

> by its

> > > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free

radical...

> > > (better

> > > > > safe than sorry)

> > > > >

> > > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would

like

> me

> > > to

> > > > put

> > > > > up a link?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I would. What other choice do you have? I do understand I just also believe

there is allot to say about posative thinking .

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Re: Cialis

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Just waiting for time to heal this

sometimes works, as it did for you. That's great. But on he otehr hand, what if

you've had PSSD for more than twelve years like some of the group members have?

Would you advise them to continue to wait?

Vornan

> > > > >

> > > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i

don't

> want

> > > to

> > > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read

studies

> in

> > > rats

> > > > on

> > > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile

tissues.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a

link?

> > > > >

> > > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend

you

> > > take co

> > > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about

its

> > > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be

achieved

> by its

> > > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free

radical...

> > > (better

> > > > > safe than sorry)

> > > > >

> > > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would

like

> me

> > > to

> > > > put

> > > > > up a link?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I resent your statement that we " wanted a quick fix " . That is

completely untrue. ALso, I resent your assertion that time is the

only thing that will fix this. That is also bullshit. The evidence

is that PSSD is sometimes permanent unless you actively try to fix it.

Vornan

> > > > >

> > > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i

don't

> want

> > > to

> > > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read

studies

> in

> > > rats

> > > > on

> > > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile

tissues.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a

link?

> > > > >

> > > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend

you

> > > take co

> > > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about

its

> > > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be

achieved

> by its

> > > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free

radical...

> > > (better

> > > > > safe than sorry)

> > > > >

> > > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would

like

> me

> > > to

> > > > put

> > > > > up a link?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Amen to that.

Shay

Vornan-19 (moderator) wrote:

>

> Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys really want to get better or

> if you just want to wallow in self-pity. You will find a problem

> with ANY possible treatment modality. is right: there is a

> huge amount of negativity here.

>

> Vornan

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i don't

> want

> > > to

> > > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read studies

> in

> > > rats

> > > > on

> > > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile tissues.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?

> > > > >

> > > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend you

> > > take co

> > > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about its

> > > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved

> by its

> > > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free radical...

> > > (better

> > > > > safe than sorry)

> > > > >

> > > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would like

> me

> > > to

> > > > put

> > > > > up a link?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

i want to get better believe me also i don't want to get worse,

i think it great that you have had some success with the line of

treatment you are taking and it gives us all hope!

but its sometimes hard to believe what you read and why its

available, especially after false information from what we thought

were trusted sources was what got us into this situation in the first

place.

i myself will try and replicate what you have achieved through

natural means like natural maoi one week then arginine the next, if

this doesnt work then ill try the road your taking.

im gonna give this 1 year maybe two, then if there's no improvement

more drastic solution will have to be thought of and explored, as no

less that the way i was before is good enough for me....!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > i know your taking the cialis for prolonged periods, i

don't

> want

> > > to

> > > > > scare u!! but i wanted to let you know that ive read

studies

> in

> > > rats

> > > > on

> > > > > pd5 enzyme drugs causes fibrosis of the inner penile

tissues.

> > > > >

> > > > > if you want ill try and find the research and put up a link?

> > > > >

> > > > > if your going to carry on taking it then i would recommend

you

> > > take co

> > > > > enzyme q10 in the weeks that you are on it, ive read about

its

> > > > > protective arterial effects which is thought to be achieved

> by its

> > > > > antioxidant effects on nitric oxide which is a free

radical...

> > > (better

> > > > > safe than sorry)

> > > > >

> > > > > i can try and find where ive read this also if you would

like

> me

> > > to

> > > > put

> > > > > up a link?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

would you guys be happy if this problem resolved its self to a point

where you get a natural erection whenever you wanted?

even if the lack of sensation does not fully return or the intensity of

an orgasm?

myself i could live with that situation, but would like to know what

your opinions are on this?

[Guest guest]

My answer would be yes. My own pleasure is important, but being able to function sexually with a woman is a necessary prerequisite to having a romantic relationship.

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