Re: Tongue-ties

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,I tell moms that the tongue tie is not just a breastfeeding issue but a life long health issue.  I can tell a tongue tie in adults just by listening to them speak and watching their mouths and tongue.  I think there is way more than we know.  The stats are the TT that we catch. 

I think Jay Leno is very very tongue tied.  Listen to him sometime and look at his jaw and facial development.  LOL   My family thinks I have jumped off the deep end when it comes to TT.My 5 year old grandson has a posterior tongue tie as does his dad.  They refused to clip it because dad is doing fine and his is not clipped.  This little peanut now has major eating problems and I can see him going into a eating disorder.  He is constantly in trouble about something to do with his eating.  He hates to eat.  But they do not see the connection and will not I repeat will not listen to me.  This Nana has to keep her mouth shut.  It breaks my heart watching him struggle.

I would get a tt clipped at any age because it does not get better.Happy New Year,Shari

 

I have two sons with posteriors (both breastfed for several years)

who now need a lot of orthodontia for their very high and narrow

palates and crowded teeth. They speak clearly, but not as precisely

as my son who has a tongue with more range of motion. They both

snore and my older son does not. I have met many, many adults whom I

believe to have posterior tongue-ties who do not have clear speech

and have dental and other problems.

This is something that needs to be researched. My feeling is that it

does affect more than just breastfeeding and I would love to know

what a study would show. Anyone out there who could do such a stucy?

>I just want to mention that my opinion until I see otherwise is that

>the posteriors probably only affect BF- my son had one that was

>clipped 3 times- he never BF- and I expected all sorts of problems

>with solids, etc- but so far, all was perfect. He is only 2 now,

>but talking beautifully also. Our ENT who is a big fan of clipping

>for BF has also said that they just seem to kind of " outgrow " them.

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> Billowitz, IBCLC

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>Israel

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined. "

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Thanks so much !

Subject: Re: Tongue-ties

To:

Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 11:16 AM

Hi ,

just a couple of edits to your Washington contacts:

Isabella Knox: Maternity & Infant Care Clinic at UWMC.

Schedule by calling her on her cell phone: .

email is

iknox@...

Ann O'Hara - office line to schedule, she doesn't

schedule via her cell anymore.

7337 35th Avenue NE

while I love Dr. O'Hara and she is a good friend, at this point, I

prefer Dr. Knox for posterior TT.

Dr. O'Hara spends hours with the family and can help with all aspects

of breastfeeding, Dr. Knox is a neonatologist and doesn't do

latch/position/full-term baby/normal breastfeeding stuff. Dr. Knox

can often get patients in sooner than Dr. O'Hara can.

thanks,

Healy

Seattle, WA

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I couldn't agree more Shari. In fact, I watched a CBS Morning Show

this morning from earlier this month on my DVR and they were doing a

segment on Dick Van Dyke. Darned if he isn't posterior

tongue-tied! I never would have known, but it was clear as a bell.

My hubby sees them as clearly as I do now and is often the one to

point them out to me. He's a big believer and we would have had our

boys cut when they were babies if we'd known. Now they adamantly

refuse and we don't feel we should force them. Thankfully, they

happily pose for pictures that I use in my presentations.

I'm so sorry about your grandson. He may choose to do something

about it himself when he is of age.

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>I tell moms that the tongue tie is not just a breastfeeding issue

>but a life long health issue.

>I can tell a tongue tie in adults just by listening to them speak

>and watching their mouths and tongue.

>I think there is way more than we know. The stats are the TT that we catch.

>I think Jay Leno is very very tongue tied. Listen to him sometime

>and look at his jaw and facial development. LOL

>My family thinks I have jumped off the deep end when it comes to TT.

>My 5 year old grandson has a posterior tongue tie as does his

>dad. They refused to clip it because dad is doing fine and his is

>not clipped. This little peanut now has major eating problems and I

>can see him going into a eating disorder. He is constantly in

>trouble about something to do with his eating. He hates to

>eat. But they do not see the connection and will not I repeat will

>not listen to me. This Nana has to keep her mouth shut. It breaks

>my heart watching him struggle.

>I would get a tt clipped at any age because it does not get better.

>Happy New Year,

>Shari

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Thank you ,  I hope he decides to have the tt clipped.  He may not even know he has a tt.  Mum is the word about that around them.Her second did not have a tt.  The first one brfd all the time and I mean all the time for 3 years.  She told me she was not out of pain for the first 8 months.  Her second baby had no tt.  and nursed normal every few hours.  It took 3 years for them to conceive baby number 2.  They thought it would take as long the 3rd time but low and behold they conceived when he was 13 months old.  I never thought about it but the diff. was the amount of time at breast.  The second was of course much more efficient at breast so did not need to brfd as often.  So having a tt baby may be a better birth control.  LOL

Now she is due with baby number 3 any day.  we will wait and see about the tt... Shari

 

I couldn't agree more Shari. In fact, I watched a CBS Morning Show

this morning from earlier this month on my DVR and they were doing a

segment on Dick Van Dyke. Darned if he isn't posterior

tongue-tied! I never would have known, but it was clear as a bell.

My hubby sees them as clearly as I do now and is often the one to

point them out to me. He's a big believer and we would have had our

boys cut when they were babies if we'd known. Now they adamantly

refuse and we don't feel we should force them. Thankfully, they

happily pose for pictures that I use in my presentations.

I'm so sorry about your grandson. He may choose to do something

about it himself when he is of age.

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>I tell moms that the tongue tie is not just a breastfeeding issue

>but a life long health issue.

>I can tell a tongue tie in adults just by listening to them speak

>and watching their mouths and tongue.

>I think there is way more than we know. The stats are the TT that we catch.

>I think Jay Leno is very very tongue tied. Listen to him sometime

>and look at his jaw and facial development. LOL

>My family thinks I have jumped off the deep end when it comes to TT.

>My 5 year old grandson has a posterior tongue tie as does his

>dad. They refused to clip it because dad is doing fine and his is

>not clipped. This little peanut now has major eating problems and I

>can see him going into a eating disorder. He is constantly in

>trouble about something to do with his eating. He hates to

>eat. But they do not see the connection and will not I repeat will

>not listen to me. This Nana has to keep her mouth shut. It breaks

>my heart watching him struggle.

>I would get a tt clipped at any age because it does not get better.

>Happy New Year,

>Shari

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined. "

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" I tell moms that the tongue tie is not just a breastfeeding issue but a life

long health issue. "

Exactly, Shari! Most of the time when I point out potential dental issues, etc

the parents can relate (especially ones that had orthodontia to pull together

those upper teeth spaced by a restrictive maxillary labial frenum). Carmen's

site does a great job of addressing issues caused by unresolved tongue tie. I

have even had some tongue tied parents decide to have their own frenula released

after learning that many of their own issues (neck tension, detnal issues, sleep

apnea, indigestion, etc) may be caused by the restrictions. A few of our allied

LCs have done the same!

Cole

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asks if anyone recommends stretching after frenotomy.

I absolutely do. It does help tremendously when done properly and regularly.

I recommend and teach the 2 fingertips on either side of the ‘frenulum’

and push gently straight back and hold for a count of 2, and also

lateralization exercises, tongue extension exercises and elevation – all from

Genna’s book. J It’s a damn

fine book!

I have one mom – a really odd case – who did not

do the stretching I taught her to do. Guess what? That frenulum reattached. Initially

it was one of the tightest I had ever felt. It was well clipped the first

time.

Well, the mom did not listen to my recommendation to get it

clipped again (by the same guy who does a great job!) and instead tried

stretching exercises suggested to her by a bodywork practitioner I typically

adore who was seeing the baby for structural issues related to a birth injury.

3 wks she suffered in pain while trying (off and on) to stretch the frenulum.

Of course it didn’t work. I did a recheck and it was almost as tight as

the first time and I sat her down and said ‘Look – this stretching

is not going to work in my professional opinion. I specialize in tongue-ties

and I cannot help you get this any better without this being clipped again.

Please reconsider.’ Actually I probably told her that several times

during that 3 wk period. She reconsidered and got it re-clipped. Dr did an excellent

job! He said he has never seen a frenulum reattach like that. Tight, fibrous –

tough.

Again I re-taught mom stretching exercises and guess what?

She didn’t not do them as directed. Guess what? Frenulum has

reattached! Not as tight as before – but I swear it needs to be clipped

again!

Now, I think that had mom done the exercises regularly and

as directed she would not likely be having this issue or at least not as bad…but

then again, baby has other structural issues that are not resolving as quickly

because she isn’t doing his other exercises either…always some

excuse or reason as to why things only get done 1-2 times per day (if she is

lucky) vs the 5-8 times per day directed…

Just my thoughts…

Jaye Simpson, IBCLC, CIIM

Breastfeeding Network

Sacramento, CA

www.breastfeedingnetwork.net

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I have had lots of parents get theirs released as well.  One dad was already on cpap.. and he was able to go off of it.s

 

" I tell moms that the tongue tie is not just a breastfeeding issue but a life long health issue. "

Exactly, Shari! Most of the time when I point out potential dental issues, etc the parents can relate (especially ones that had orthodontia to pull together those upper teeth spaced by a restrictive maxillary labial frenum). Carmen's site does a great job of addressing issues caused by unresolved tongue tie. I have even had some tongue tied parents decide to have their own frenula released after learning that many of their own issues (neck tension, detnal issues, sleep apnea, indigestion, etc) may be caused by the restrictions. A few of our allied LCs have done the same!

Cole

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined. "

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Actually, Dr Kotlow does recommend pushing

the tongue upwards and backwards to

keep the surgical site from reattaching. He has pictures at his website that

I send to my patients.

http://kiddsteeth.com/articles/breastfeedingdrkotlowtx.pdf

Look at page 16.

Ellen Simpson,

BS, IBCLC

Private Practice Lactation Consultant

Tampa. Florida

From: @...m

[mailto:@...m] On Behalf Of West, IBCLC

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:32 PM

To: @...m

Subject: Re:

Tongue-ties

Dr.

Kotlow does recommend exercises, yes, but he recommends them

differently. He says to swipe side to side. Dr. says to push

in against the wound and lift the tongue up. I find that Dr. 's method offers a better stretch, which seems logically to be more

likely to prevent adhesions.

I truly wish these methods could be objectively researched so that we

have some evidence and data to back

up our recommendations.

In time hopefully they will be.

At 12:43 PM 12/30/2010, Norma Ritter

wrote:

Dr Larry Kotlow, in Albany NY, recommends exercises to prevent scar tissue forming and reattaching the

tongue tie.

He says there is sometimes

blood when the exercises are done,

and that many parents are naturally

reluctant to cause their babies

pain.

One of my clients who went to him did not follow his recommendations, and the

baby needed to have the whole

procedure all over again.

Norma Ritter, IBCLC, RLC

Breastfeeding Matters in the Capital

Region

www.NormaRitter.com

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Somebody recently told me that people of French-Canadian descent are more likely

to have a tight frenulum. I thought that was interesting. Has anybody else

heard that?

Ellen

Ellen J. Rubin, MA, IBCLC, LLLL

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I have also been told that mixed cultural marriages can cause TT because of different skeletons joining and causing a mid line abnormality. 

 

Somebody recently told me that people of French-Canadian descent are more likely to have a tight frenulum. I thought that was interesting. Has anybody else heard that?

Ellen

Ellen J. Rubin, MA, IBCLC, LLLL

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined. "

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Has Ayal started using laser since Larry was there recently? I just sent a baby

back to Ayal for a labial revision and redo of the lingual.

Tow, IBCLC, Toulouse, FR

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> > I do what Carroll does and also tell parents that I have a list of

> > mothers who have been through the experience who have given permission for

> > me to give their names and phone numbers if a family needs to speak to

> > someone who has been there. I also give them a handout I made up on what to

> > expect after frenotomy- while explaining that I see a lot of tongue-ties. In

> > my vicinity there is a lot of good bf help available, so moms don't often

> > contact a private practice LC unless they've exhausted other sources of

> > help. My guess is that about 90% (partly because I have a reputation as the

> > go-to-lady to check them out if other LCs were suspicious) of the babies I

> > see have a tongue-tie and close to 95% of those go on to have it clipped.

> > Not all are fully resolved and very few seek a second clipping. I've worked

> > hard to get here. Just a few years ago all my clients who chose to clip went

> > to NY to Dr. Coryllos against the advice of local professionals.

> >

> > Anne Grider, IBCLC, LLLL

> > Atlanta, GA Metro Area

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> Ilene Fabisch, Brockton, MA

> " Each day is a blank canvas waiting for our unique brushstrokes to create a

> masterpiece. "

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Siegel is no longer in Mineola

http://www.nomcs.com/CONTACT-INFORMATION.html

Tow, IBCLC, Toulouse, FR

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> Dear All,

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> Please look over my list of docs who do posterior frenotomies and see

> if you would add or NOT include anyone based on your experience with

> them. I really want this to be a reliable list for parents and practioners.

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> http://lowmilksupply.org/frenotomy.shtml

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> Thanks for your help!

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I haven’t had personal experience, just the only resource that the local LC’s and LLLL’s say is reliable and will go back and fix the superficial frenotomies that are most likely to be done. Like I said in my ‘shopping cart experience email’. I can’t get anyone to follow my instructions!June From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of West, IBCLCSent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:30 PMTo: Subject: RE: Tongue-ties Great! These both do posteriors?At 12:37 PM 12/30/2010, and June wrote: Preferred: Dr. Greg Notestine, DDS2149 North Fairfield Rd.Beavercreak, OH 454311-Accepts Medicaid:Dr. Bob Muster, DDSABC Dental, LLC8376 Old Troy PikeHuber Heights, OH 45424 Both in the Dayton area June , RN, IBCLC, LLLL

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The local family practice/breastfeeding medicine doctor trained with Dr. and she always recommends stretching. I have some moms report that the baby won't tolerate both the stretching exercises and the exercises from Genna, so then I tell the mother to do the stretching exercises for 4-5 days to help prevent the frenulum from healing back together, and then start the other exercises after the frenulum clipping has healed.

Dee KassingAlso, are any of you recommending stretching after the clipping? Dr. Jim has been recommending this and I really think it improves outcomes, but I wonder if anyone else is recommending it?

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where did you hear this? different skeletons? we are all the same species! also – midline defects are congenital or genetic, so if anything, parents from different genectic pools should decrease the likelihood of a defect, I would think, due to genetic variation...this sounds quite fishy

lyla

From: Shari Silady

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:26 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Tongue-ties

I have also been told that mixed cultural marriages can cause TT because of different skeletons joining and causing a mid line abnormality.

Somebody recently told me that people of French-Canadian descent are more likely to have a tight frenulum. I thought that was interesting. Has anybody else heard that?EllenEllen J. Rubin, MA, IBCLC, LLLL

-- ~~~~~~~~~~ Shari Silady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations as all other earthly causes combined."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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,What’s your private email? The one I have for you keeps bouncing back. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of West, IBCLCSent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:55 PMTo: Subject: RE: Tongue-ties Hi, ,I only have Dr. Scheflan on my list for Israel. Can you forward (privately) Dr. Botzer's contract info so I can add him (I'm assuming he does posteriors)?I have not had the experience of babies screaming. In fact, most do not seem to notice. I think I'm doing it right -- I am definitely putting firm pressure on the push in and the lift and have been following the video Dr. made, but maybe not. Any chance you could make a video of what you are doing?Thanks for responding, !At 11:33 AM 12/30/2010, you wrote: Hi and all,The main person who clips here in Israel is Dr. Ayal Botzer- he definitely has started saying to stretch it, and Dr. Corryles also told mothers to lift. I think it is extremely important even though (as one who has been there personally) very difficult to do and sometimes traumatic for parents to do. You will sometimes even get fresh blood. The baby usually screams, and it is hard to get under there to lift. But that being said, I think it improves the results significantly, otherwise many grow back and the situation regresses. Billowitz, IBCLCIsrael Dear June, I do what Carroll does and also tell parents that I have a list of mothers who have been through the experience who have given permission for me to give their names and phone numbers if a family needs to speak to someone who has been there. I also give them a handout I made up on what to expect after frenotomy- while explaining that I see a lot of tongue-ties. In my vicinity there is a lot of good bf help available, so moms don't often contact a private practice LC unless they've exhausted other sources of help. My guess is that about 90% (partly because I have a reputation as the go-to-lady to check them out if other LCs were suspicious) of the babies I see have a tongue-tie and close to 95% of those go on to have it clipped. Not all are fully resolved and very few seek a second clipping. I've worked hard to get here. Just a few years ago all my clients who chose to clip __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5556 (20101022) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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No, I don’t think he uses laser. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 3:13 AMTo: Subject: Re: Tongue-ties Has Ayal started using laser since Larry was there recently? I just sent a baby back to Ayal for a labial revision and redo of the lingual. Tow, IBCLC, Toulouse, FR> >> >> >> > Dear June,> >> > I do what Carroll does and also tell parents that I have a list of> > mothers who have been through the experience who have given permission for> > me to give their names and phone numbers if a family needs to speak to> > someone who has been there. I also give them a handout I made up on what to> > expect after frenotomy- while explaining that I see a lot of tongue-ties. In> > my vicinity there is a lot of good bf help available, so moms don't often> > contact a private practice LC unless they've exhausted other sources of> > help. My guess is that about 90% (partly because I have a reputation as the> > go-to-lady to check them out if other LCs were suspicious) of the babies I> > see have a tongue-tie and close to 95% of those go on to have it clipped.> > Not all are fully resolved and very few seek a second clipping. I've worked> > hard to get here. Just a few years ago all my clients who chose to clip went> > to NY to Dr. Coryllos against the advice of local professionals.> >> > Anne Grider, IBCLC, LLLL> > Atlanta, GA Metro Area> >> >> >> >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus> > signature database 5556 (20101022) __________> >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> > http://www.eset.com> > > >> > > > -- > Ilene Fabisch, Brockton, MA> " Each day is a blank canvas waiting for our unique brushstrokes to create a> masterpiece. " >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5556 (20101022) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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Ah, that's good to know.  Dr. O'Hara has been reluctant to clip some that I know Dr. Knox would clip..

But the 'tag team' approach won't work if everyone needs reclipping!

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I sent a baby to Dr.O'Hara that was not clipped enough. I think any of the docs

who are part of IATTP are more willing to clip/laser sufficiently bc they are

encouraging each other--and we as the LCs are pushing them to.

Less than two years ago Isabella wasn't even convinced that PPTT existed. She

has really jumped in with both feet and I would really encourage LCs in the area

to work with her in teaching her what you know.

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I totally agree. shari

 

I sent a baby to Dr.O'Hara that was not clipped enough. I think any of the docs who are part of IATTP are more willing to clip/laser sufficiently bc they are encouraging each other--and we as the LCs are pushing them to.

Less than two years ago Isabella wasn't even convinced that PPTT existed. She has really jumped in with both feet and I would really encourage LCs in the area to work with her in teaching her what you know.

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Yeah, she seems much more willing to clip pTT recently.  She was skeptical about  a couple of my clients, but after clipping, she said, " wow, I think that really was worth doing "

I'm glad she is getting more confident in releasing them

> I sent a baby to Dr.O'Hara that was not clipped enough. I think any of the docs who are part of IATTP are more willing to clip/laser sufficiently bc they are encouraging each other--and we as the LCs are pushing them to.

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I think the correct acronym is IATP but

the link to join is under construction.

International Affiliation of Tongue-tie Professionals

Lou Moramarco IBCLC

Birth,

Breastfeeding & Before

International

Board Certified Lactation Consultant

Bradley

Childbirth Educator

Certified

Birth Doula

(732)

239-7771 marylou22@...

www.lunadoula.com

I would like to become a supporting member of IATTP but I cannot find an

address anywhere on the website. Does anyone know where to mail it? Thanks,

Dana

> > I sent a baby to Dr.O'Hara that was not clipped enough. I think any

of the

> docs who are part of IATTP are more willing to clip/laser sufficiently bc

> they are encouraging each other--and we as the LCs are pushing them to.

> >

> > Less than two years ago Isabella wasn't even convinced that PPTT

existed.

> She has really jumped in with both feet and I would really encourage LCs in

> the area to work with her in teaching her what you know.

> >

> > Tow, IBCLC, Toulouse,

FR

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Tow, IBCLC

> > > I sent a baby to Dr.O'Hara that was not clipped enough. I think any of

> the

> > docs who are part of IATTP are more willing to clip/laser sufficiently bc

> > they are encouraging each other--and we as the LCs are pushing them to.

> > >

> > > Less than two years ago Isabella wasn't even convinced that PPTT

> existed.

> > She has really jumped in with both feet and I would really encourage LCs

> in

> > the area to work with her in teaching her what you know.

> > >

> > > Tow, IBCLC, Toulouse, FR

>