Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 In a message dated 12/10/06 10:28:12 AM, bvanOmega@... writes: > But with one knee on the ground I should have recovered but didn't. It was > just like I tipped over the rest of the way and that seemed almost in slow > motion. Other times I have just " tipped " over like a bowling pin. > > I take balancing exercises for older people . It really helps, I would suggest this for anyone who is prone to falling. Also exercises on how to get up from the ground and a chair. Look on the Internet for videos.... Good luck, Pris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Darcy, I appreciate your responses. I had thought there were 2 types of action. The fall that was outside I had just moved the door mat, dropped is a few feet out to blow the leaves from the door. I dropped the mat, and after that I'm not sure, but I may have turned around too quickly and stepped a few steps, probably too quickly also. I MAY have started to reach for the blower. It was like I had stumbled over something. There was nothing there to stumble over, just flat cement. One knee hit the pavement, That would have been one action. But with one knee on the ground I should have recovered but didn't. It was just like I tipped over the rest of the way and that seemed almost in slow motion. Other times I have just " tipped " over like a bowling pin. My mom, blind for many years had perfected her falls, and have sure been trying that with no success. When she started to fall she could make her whole body go absolutely limp. So she would fall like a wet noodle and that probably protected her from many a damage. I don't know how, but I have to if at all possible head this off. My body just won't take too much more of this. Betty Re: [ ] Clumsy? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Betty " <bvanOmega@...> > I dropped the mat, and after that I'm not sure, but I may have turned > around too quickly and stepped a few >steps, probably too quickly also. I > MAY have started to reach for the blower. It was like I had stumbled > >over something. There was nothing there to stumble over, just flat > cement. One knee hit the pavement, That >would have been one action. > But with one knee on the ground I should have recovered but didn't. It > was just >like I tipped over the rest of the way and that seemed almost in > slow motion. Other times I have just " tipped " >over like a bowling pin. I would have said " like I suddenly had no balance mechanism in my body " for the sudden tipping over, but I can buy " bowling pin " too. It sounds just like me. I've always had a tiny problem in tripping over nothing, but since I got fibro, it's gotten much worse. Sometimes my tipping does seem as if my body over compensated when I went to take a step forward and goes sideways more than forward, other times, there is absolutely no sign, I just go over. The ones where I totally went over and hit the ground (except backwards, I still have that) decreased since stopping work, that's the only factor that I can figure out changed. As for the rest of them, I usually try to walk next to walls and will periodically put my hand out to steady myself, it almost looks as if I'm being obsessive compulsive in touching walls, but it's a steadying mechanism. I'm sorry I don't have a solution on how to get rid of it. My doctors kinda raised eyebrows at me when I mentioned it to them. The other " weird " thing I've noticed is I tip to the left when I'm on the computer for more than a few minutes. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Betty wow your fall was a lot more serious than mine, you poor thing. I hope you rheumie gives you some extra help. Can you move up the appt.? Joy Betty <bvanOmega@...> wrote: Joy, I think that would be mortifying. I have fallen 4 times in less than 4 months. Two sent me to ER and one of the others should have. One I wasn't really hurt. My husband watches out for me and when he hears a crash band he jumps up so quickly that he hurts himself. I told him he had better slow down or he won't be able to help. I'm not really " stiff " when I am up and around and my movements look normal. Walking wouldn't give anyone a hint that I am having problems. I can walk at a normal pace and in a normal manner. The fall that really got the worst of my fractured my sacrum and for a while after that I didn't walk normal and had to have help with just about getting up and down. I had to use a cane to walk at all. Afterwards when I was better I tried to hang onto the cane to see if it would give me added stability but I end up leaving it somewhere and don't have it. I don't know how to handle this as I am afraid I will fracture my hip. I got so angry and upset with him that I feel like I don't want to go to a doctor for anything. I do have an appointment Tuesday with him so I guess I will. He is the one that writes my prescriptions and I need some new ones otherwise I'm not sure I would even go. I like that doctor and he has been my GP for 15 years or so. The event that made me so mad at him was not really his fault but his office. But he should be the boss there and anything that goes wrong he is responsible for. My daughter is a boat captain and whatever happens is her responsibility even if she wasn't on the boat at the time. So, he is the Capt.. of his office and therefore I blame him. Grrrr I don't see my rheumi I until about 3 months from now. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Since I sent that last post I have done some rethinking. I have been so obsessed with the falls that was tops in this category. At this point I realize I am clumsy also. I have broken so many cups I won't even use the ones from a set or any that is special to someone. Dishes in general are getting the worst of it. A while ago my husband was fixing something that had a tiny spring. He took it off and handed it to me so that I could see it. That was the end of that even though I took a good flashlight and looked where I was standing. That's what prompted my rethinking of this. Yep, I'm clumsy too. The other thing is I too frequently drop food when I am eating and it lands on the front of my shirt. Others have pointed this out to me so often it is like everyone is waiting for the next bit to drop so they can point it out to me. That really gets to me. Am I hopeless or what? Do you, or anyone, have any suggestions about this? What could the rheumie might be able to do? Before this question arose here I had not considered it to be related. Betty Re: [ ] Clumsy? . __,_Betty wow your fall was a lot more serious than mine, you poor thing. I hope you rheumie gives you some extra help. Can you move up the appt.? ._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Betty " <bvanOmega@...> > The other thing is I too frequently drop food when I am eating and it > lands on the front of my shirt. Others have pointed this out to me so > often it is like everyone is waiting for the next bit to drop so they can > point it out >to me. That really gets to me. We don't eat at a table, so we are probably leaning back as we eat in our lazy boy chairs. I use to never drop food on my, while dh use to somewhat frequently do it. Since developing fibro, I often drop food on myself. It's gotten to the point, where I often will put my free hand under my fork as I'm guiding the food to my mouth. I'm pretty sure the cause for this is tiny tremors in the hand holding the fork, so small you often can't see them and/or my wrist jumps a bit which is very typical of fibro. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Some days, it just seems like my muscles, especially my hands and fingers, just don't get the messages from my brain. I think I've got something, and it falls from my hand, etc. It's like my hand sends a signal back to the brain saying it's done something it hasn't! And I don't have a single shirt that doesn't have food on it, most are stained! As for the falling, I use a forearm crutch to walk, mainly because I have a shredded meniscus in my left knee, but it has stopped so many falls I've lost count. I'm terrified of falling, and won't even take a shower on really bad days unless my hubby is there to help me. He also grabs me when we're walking if we come to steps or uneven spots. I also find myself forgetting the word I need, or the wrong thing comes out. Like talking with my daughter-in-law about cooking recipes, and saying " pattern " instead of recipe! Or reversing numbers, like I was dyslexic. At first I thought it was fibro fog, but hubby found an interesting article on " chemobrain " . It was about women who have had chemo for breast cancer and end up with cognitive problems that don't go away when the chemo stops. Since I've been taking a high dose of MTX for a couple of years now, I have to wonder if that has anything to do with my cognitive problems. Anybody else have that experience? -- Shoreview, MN, until April! brrrr! South Pasadena, CA You can see my galleries at http://www.pbase.com/arenared986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Much of the posts connected to this subject sounds a lot like me. I know birthdays do a lot and some of my limitations are due to that, but I can't blame all on age. Since there are so many saying they have such happenings that I don't think age could be the total answer. One reply to mine, sorry I don't know who, asked me about exercise and I did not answer. I hope it will be seen by that poster. Walking is an ideal exercise but conditions here almost totally eliminates that. I have an elliptical exerciser that I use. I cannot do it long enough to be of real benefit to my cardio system but try to make up for it by doing it several times per day. I can watch TV from it so that helps. I don't know why and it seems my doctor doesn't either I get a sharp pain in my groin within in a couple minutes. The pain is such that I cannot keep going. I have a small stool, lower than most. I step on/off it and can do that longer than the exerciser. But since the fall that hurt my sacrum I can only do a limited amount of that. For a couple months I could not even step on it once. Now I put it in front of the exerciser and hold on to that. Without that for balance I cannot do it. Also now I do not step up on anything at all. I have a stool in the kitchen to help with the higher cabinets but I do not do that now either. Incidentally, I work 40+ hours per week and that requires me to move around walking from one area to another. Betty Re: [ ] Clumsy? We don't eat at a table, so we are probably leaning back as we eat in our lazy boy chairs. I use to never drop food on my, while dh use to somewhat frequently do it. Since developing fibro, I often drop food on myself. It's gotten to the point, where I often will put my free hand under my fork as I'm guiding the food to my mouth. I'm pretty sure the cause for this is tiny tremors in the hand holding the fork, so small you often can't see them and/or my wrist jumps a bit which is very typical of fibro. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 I sure do, ...I tell my coworkers I'm just having a Thoughtful Moment when the words sort of trail off and quit coming for awhile...lol....but it's really weird we're all having that clumsy-mental stuff with this disease. Re: [ ] Clumsy? Some days, it just seems like my muscles, especially my hands and fingers, just don't get the messages from my brain. I think I've got something, and it falls from my hand, etc. It's like my hand sends a signal back to the brain saying it's done something it hasn't! And I don't have a single shirt that doesn't have food on it, most are stained! As for the falling, I use a forearm crutch to walk, mainly because I have a shredded meniscus in my left knee, but it has stopped so many falls I've lost count. I'm terrified of falling, and won't even take a shower on really bad days unless my hubby is there to help me. He also grabs me when we're walking if we come to steps or uneven spots. I also find myself forgetting the word I need, or the wrong thing comes out. Like talking with my daughter-in- law about cooking recipes, and saying " pattern " instead of recipe! Or reversing numbers, like I was dyslexic. At first I thought it was fibro fog, but hubby found an interesting article on " chemobrain " . It was about women who have had chemo for breast cancer and end up with cognitive problems that don't go away when the chemo stops. Since I've been taking a high dose of MTX for a couple of years now, I have to wonder if that has anything to do with my cognitive problems. Anybody else have that experience? -- Shoreview, MN, until April! brrrr! South Pasadena, CA You can see my galleries at http://www.pbase. com/arenared986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Overell " <patricia.overell@...> > I also find myself forgetting the word I need, or the wrong thing comes > out. Like talking with my daughter-in-law about cooking recipes, and > saying > " pattern " instead of recipe! Or reversing numbers, like I was dyslexic. > At > first I thought it was fibro fog, but hubby found an interesting article > on > " chemobrain " . I have those problems and they're pretty common on the fibro groups I'm on. Unfortunately, dh is really lousy at charades so it makes for an interesting conversation when I can't think of the right word and he can't guess it. Mine gets worse as I get tired which also seems pretty common. In my case, old age can't be blamed for the memory or clumsy problems as this all started in my mid 30's. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Does anyone walk into things? like doors or tables? i always think i'm going to walk through a doorway, but sometimes i end up walking into it instead!! i have no idea how i happens! I haven't actually fallen over yet though. I don't think it's anything to do with age, as i'm only 19!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 On 12/11/06, catstamp <catstamp@...> wrote: > > > > Mine gets worse as I get tired which also seems pretty common. In my > case, > old age can't be blamed for the memory or clumsy problems as this all > started in my mid 30's. > Darcy > > > > Oh, so true. It's one of the things hubby uses to gauge how tired I am. When I start being clumsy or confusing words, he knows it's time to quit and go home. I often push too hard, but he's getting very good at making me stop. As for age, I just turned 58, and had NO problems like this until about a year after I was dx'ed, and started taking all the meds. -- Shoreview, MN, until April! brrrr! South Pasadena, CA You can see my galleries at http://www.pbase.com/arenared986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Overell " <patricia.overell@...> >> Oh, so true. It's one of the things hubby uses to gauge how tired I am. > When I start being clumsy or confusing words, he knows it's time to quit > and > go home. I often push too hard, but he's getting very good at making me > stop. My husband is the same way. And by dinner time, I've frequently run through all of my energy, good feeling (if I have it that day) and willingness to deal with life. When I suddenly feel like bursting into tears for no reason, I know it's time to stop. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " emma " <emma.collins@...> > Does anyone walk into things? like doors or tables? i always think i'm > going to walk through a doorway, but sometimes i end up walking into > it instead!! i have no idea how i happens! This is another thing I've always done all my life, although before getting sick, it was mostly getting my hip slammed into beds, tables or desks. Since getting sick, it's definitely gotten much worse. Anything and everything " leaps " out to viciously attack me. I always joke that I'm constantly trying to try to disprove that physics law " two solids can't occupy the same space at the same time. " Funny how the other solid always wins the battle. I run almost constantly with some kind of bruise on my legs. I have a huge one right now(along with a lump) and I have no idea how I got it. Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I had to laugh when I read your post. I have been walking into doorway frames for a long time. Last year I broke my toe TWICE, by not clearing a corner and catching it on a baseboard. Now I'm very much aware that the doorways are out to get me !! Patsy El Mirage, AZ DX 2005 Stage 1 PBC AIH/SLE/RA/COPD Just a woman of letters.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Emma: I've been walking into door posts since I was a kid. Once, I did it with my oldest son on my hip, who was two at the time (now 17). So, instead of my shoulder getting the brunt of it, his head did. There's nothing worse than hurting your kid with your clumsiness! He was okay, but to this day, when he is aggravating me, I remind him that something happened to his head that day. Of course, he shoots back that I abused him. We're joking with each other, of course. I have a 12 year old that has actually managed to fall down while standing still doing nothing at all! Must be hereditary! in Texas emma <emma.collins@...> wrote: Does anyone walk into things? like doors or tables? i always think i'm going to walk through a doorway, but sometimes i end up walking into it instead!! i have no idea how i happens! I haven't actually fallen over yet though. I don't think it's anything to do with age, as i'm only 19!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Here's a new twist to this subject. When my daughter (now 38) was small, about 7 or 8 she was and still is, a natural born monkey. She could hang up-side down and such with ease. She could be sitting on a chair and suddenly fall off. She ran into buildings and other things that required ER. I am quiet sure they were looking for child abuse. If that were today they would have probably be taken from us. Things like " she was just sitting on a chair and fell off " or " she ran into a building " would not hold up under much scrutiny. When she was 9 we met a doctor that transformed her life. She was diabetic and the high glucose levels were doing it to her. At that time chasing diabetes in children was almost unheard of. With that doctor's help I have become totally distrustful when it comes to diabetes. He taught us how to handle things which was almost impossible in the absence of tools to work with. Other children were in/out of hospitals like a revolving door. She was never. As an adult she is still taking care of herself. Now I as a diabetic found a doctor who allows me to control it. Type 1 diabetes is an immune system issue. I don't know how the immune system problems talked about here can relate to such things. I am not implying that to be the issue her and just saying that diabetes can do that. Betty [ ] Re: Clumsy? I had to laugh when I read your post. I have been walking into doorway frames for a long time. Last year I broke my toe TWICE, by not clearing a corner and catching it on a baseboard. Now I'm very much aware that the doorways are out to get me !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 That is interesting. My son went undiagnosed for awhile and didn't have issues with balance but it certainly makes sense! His highs caused him to be lethargic. If it wasn't for the typical weight loss, drinking, urinating, looking grey issues you would have never had known His school never suffered, nor did his sports. DH and I are both walking autoimmune nightmares. It was just a matter of when and what our son would end up with. This whole discussion has been interesting and just goes to prove there are a zillion and one reasons for clumsiness. [ ] Re: Clumsy? I had to laugh when I read your post. I have been walking into doorway frames for a long time. Last year I broke my toe TWICE, by not clearing a corner and catching it on a baseboard. Now I'm very much aware that the doorways are out to get me !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Interesting. I have steroid-induced diabetes (from long term prednisone use) and know that I have problems when my blood glucose drops too low, I never thought about high blood glucose having effects, I will have to test my bg next time I notice I'm getting really clumsy or foggy! On 12/12/06, Betty <bvanOmega@...> wrote: > > Here's a new twist to this subject. > > When my daughter (now 38) was small, about 7 or 8 she was and still is, a > natural born monkey. She could hang up-side down and such with ease. She > could be sitting on a chair and suddenly fall off. She ran into buildings > and other things that required ER. I am quiet sure they were looking for > child abuse. If that were today they would have probably be taken from > us. Things like " she was just sitting on a chair and fell off " or " she ran > into a building " would not hold up under much scrutiny. > > When she was 9 we met a doctor that transformed her life. She was > diabetic and the high glucose levels were doing it to her. At that time > chasing diabetes in children was almost unheard of. With that doctor's help > I have become totally distrustful when it comes to diabetes. He taught us > how to handle things which was almost impossible in the absence of tools to > work with. Other children were in/out of hospitals like a revolving > door. She was never. As an adult she is still taking care of herself. Now > I as a diabetic found a doctor who allows me to control it. Type 1 diabetes > is an immune system issue. I don't know how the immune system problems > talked about here can relate to such things. > > I am not implying that to be the issue her and just saying that diabetes > can do that. > Betty > -- Shoreview, MN, until April! brrrr! South Pasadena, CA You can see my galleries at http://www.pbase.com/arenared986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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