need advice for our daughter

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Call your daughter's doctor and disucss the symptoms she shows at mom's and

why all these meds have been prescribed. See what tests/studies/etc have

been done to determine the need for these medicaitons. Once you have all

that information, do some research.

Need advice for our daughter

My daughter (8yrs) is supposedly asthmatic. She was diagnosed 4

years ago while living at her mother's house. Ever since then she

has been taking an inhaler once a day and claritin. The first time

she came to stay with us for the summer, her baggage got lost and we

had to wait 3 weeks before her mother sent her medication. During

those 3 weeks she was perfectly fine, no weezing or heavy breathing

nothing, she would run and play normally and be fine. So when her

meds got here we never gave them to her. She comes here for 8 weeks

in summer 1 in fall 2 in winter and 1 in spring. In the last 4 years

during all these breaks we have never given her the medication that

is sent with us, she has never once in all that time had any

symptoms of asthma or anything. We have asked her mother to back off

of her meds or try alternate medications, we even asked her to start

using a peak flow meter, she has fully refused all of these. Now she

is with us again for summer and her mother sent a note saying her

asthma is severe, she now is supposed to take her inhaler three

times a day and her emergency inhaler twice a day as well as three

different kinds of pills including the claritin. She has been here a

week and so far has had no symptoms. We don't want to be loading her

up on these meds, it is obious that she doesn't need them, at least

not here, but we fear her mother is overdosing her with medication.

What do we do? Is there any natural medication or herbs to help

her? Any advise would help alot.

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First of all, an adult sending a child for the summer that doesn't pack the meds in her carry on, is neglegent. What type of inhaler is your daughter supposed to be on? Rescue or a daily inhaler? Asthma meds should not be abruptly stopped without the recommendation from a Physician. Claritin certainly shouldn't be abruptly stopped either, it's an allergy med and it sounds as though your daughter may have allergy induced asthma, not worth the risk of not having the meds, it's called preventive medication. You could have gone to your local pharmacy and had her doctor fax an RX, you should not have taken the chance and waited 3 weeks for her meds to come. Shame on her mom for taking that long to send them. Asthma is a very serious condition, and must be terribly frightening for an 8 year old. I wouldn't necessarily say her mom has "a sick house"

either. Some climates worsen asthma, stress worsens asthma, there are many contributing factors to asthma symptoms, progress & triggers. I'm assuming you have a local physician for her when she's at your home, because of her condition. If not, perhaps you should think about it. You may live in a cleaner environment, and she may not need all the meds when she's with you, but you need to hear that from a physician. I agree with Lesa. I would sign a release as well, so that the doctor that she sees at home and her doctor she sees when she's with you, can correspond. If a doctor tells you to discontinue the meds, than so be it, but you can't do it on your own. Her mom can't be over medicating your daughter. There is a physician somewhere who wrote the prescriptions and had good reason to do so. You have her 12 out of 52 weeks from what you've posted. Please

don't take the little bit of time you spend with your daughter fighting with her mom or disagreeing about her care. You're wasting precious and valuable time that could be well spent being a dad. I agree that her mom should be using a peak flow meter on your daughter, are you? If so, what are her numbers? Are they within normal range? Other than the above advice, my only other advice is to stop putting this child in the middle of a dispute you seem to have with your ex. You are talking about an 8 year old child. Put your differences aside and put your daughter's health on the top of your priority list. Also, if she's severely asthmatic at home, probably due to an allergen, she can't just go home with no medication in her system. You're taking high risks, and I don't think it's worth it. CONSULT WITH A

PHYSICIAN!Rita Weirich wrote: It sounds like her mother may have a "sick" house. I think that may have been part of my problem in Atlanta. Not sure if it was leaving the house or moving to Florida that helped the most, but I'm grateful. If the problem goes away when she's at your house, that should tell you that the problem is in the house! RitaLesa Schmidt wrote: Call your daughter's doctor and disucss the symptoms she shows at mom's andwhy all these meds have been prescribed. See what tests/studies/etc havebeen done to determine the need for these medicaitons. Once you have allthat information, do some research.-----Original Message-----From: asthma [mailto:asthma ]On Behalf Ofprecious_little_rosebuds_ccSent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:19 PMTo: asthma Subject: Need advice for our daughterMy daughter (8yrs) is supposedly asthmatic. She was diagnosed 4years ago while living at her mother's house. Ever since then shehas been taking an inhaler once a day and claritin. The first timeshe came to stay with us for

the summer, her baggage got lost and wehad to wait 3 weeks before her mother sent her medication. Duringthose 3 weeks she was perfectly fine, no weezing or heavy breathingnothing, she would run and play normally and be fine. So when hermeds got here we never gave them to her. She comes here for 8 weeksin summer 1 in fall 2 in winter and 1 in spring. In the last 4 yearsduring all these breaks we have never given her the medication thatis sent with us, she has never once in all that time had anysymptoms of asthma or anything. We have asked her mother to back offof her meds or try alternate medications, we even asked her to startusing a peak flow meter, she has fully refused all of these. Now sheis with us again for summer and her mother sent a note saying herasthma is severe, she now is supposed to take her inhaler threetimes a day and her emergency inhaler twice a day as well as threedifferent kinds of pills including

the claritin. She has been here aweek and so far has had no symptoms. We don't want to be loading herup on these meds, it is obious that she doesn't need them, at leastnot here, but we fear her mother is overdosing her with medication.What do we do? Is there any natural medication or herbs to helpher? Any advise would help alot.

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Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not

with us) and we are in Oregon. Her mother has not given us her

insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't

take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her

pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all

medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address

or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel

comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription

or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also

with no name or prescription. My daughter never complains about

asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk

three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting,

headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we

know these side effects are probably from her medications because

they go away within a week of her being with us. The first time she

came here she had no carryon baggage because she was just 4 and when

we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a

local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her

mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says

anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually

she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in

the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with

the whole thing. We do carry around her emergency inhalor with us

everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My

wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read

about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our

pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice

without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we

can't do that.

Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily

inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency inhalor). One of my main problems

is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor

twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't

that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it

reduce the immediate effect?

Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking

her meds because she can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't

let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her

words) and not sick all the time. She is not scared of asthma and

she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her

asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has

her take her emergency inhalor.

We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but

supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We have

taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington,

Disneyland. None of these places trigger it. We thought maybe pets

but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a

bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause

3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron

supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it

was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.

I am just so frustrated with everything.

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Taken directly from your first post, you did state claritin, now it's singulair? asthma is severe, she now is supposed to take her inhaler three times a day and her emergency inhaler twice a day as well as three different kinds of pills including the claritin. I don't want to sound harsh, but you're really confusing me. You could take your daughter to your local pediatrician, you may have to be a self-pay, but I'd think that would be priceless when you're talking endangering the life of a child by discontinuing meds without physician's advice. You stated you've taken her to Disney, well, if you've the money to do that, you certainly could take her to your pediatrician. I still see it's a battle between you and your ex. GET OVER IT! Put this

precious child's health first. Forget the battle. How did you get the names of the medicines if you didn't receive a list and if they're all unlabeled? Inhalers labels are on the box that they come in, so that doesn't surprise me with the inhalers, but the pills, I'm concerned with. Are they samples? Bubble Packs? I am a mother and I can't imagine wanting to put my child through unneccesary medications. I can say that if I had to send my child to his fathers (not the case, since we're married) and the father didn't adhere to medical prescriptions, I'd stop letting my child go. Your ex isn't evil for making sure her daughter's asthma is taken care of. The girl is 8, she doesn't know her MD's name? I can't imagine a divorce decree not allowing you to have access to your daughter's medical records. You may want to check into that as well. Given the fact that your relationship is great with your daughter because she enjoys not taking her meds, is quite irresponsible on your part. Give any child the choice of swallowing pills or not and of course, they'll choose not to. So don't go there. And not to forget to mention, you say you know she has no allergies to meds because of a presciption she had of iron. Well, do you know there are other meds other than Iron Supplements? She very well could be allergic to some kind of meds, as well as dogs & cats. It doesn't matter if she has two at home and you have some as well, she still could be allergic to them. C'mon, get a grip. Your frustrations should really be with yourself. You're a father. You have a responsibility. It's time to step up to the plate. Sooner or later you and your ex are going

to have to come to terms in regards to your daughter's healthcare, you might as well start the process. Also, I didn't see an answer to my question in regards to a peak flow meter, are you having her do her peak flows? Remember, you can read all you want on the internet about medications, asthma, etc. But remember, medicines will effect everyone differently. I'm sure you've seen in all your readings that you cannot abruptly stop taking medicines. So why are you endangering her? Another question for you? God Forbid, but if something were to happen to your daughter, ie, fell off a bike and injured her head, what is your protocol? You wouldn't wait for her MD from home to treat her, so treat her asthma no differently than you would any other life threatening illness/injury. precious_little_rosebuds_cc wrote: Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not with us) and we are in Oregon. Her mother has not given us her insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel

comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also with no name or prescription. My daughter never complains about asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting, headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we know these side effects are probably from her medications because they go away within a week of her being with us. The first time she came here she had no carryon baggage because she was just 4 and when we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in

the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with the whole thing. We do carry around her emergency inhalor with us everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we can't do that.Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency inhalor). One of my main problems is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it reduce the immediate effect? Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking her meds because she

can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her words) and not sick all the time. She is not scared of asthma and she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has her take her emergency inhalor. We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We have taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington, Disneyland. None of these places trigger it. We thought maybe pets but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause 3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.I am

just so frustrated with everything. __________________________________________________

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I'm so sorry you're having to deal with that! I can't even imagine!! My thoughts on the meds that are single (not in bottles) is maybe her doc gives her samples instead of her mom having to pay for them...Asthma meds can be VERY expensive. As far as using the albuterol daily, that doesn't seem necessary...That would be what all the prescriptions are for, preventing asthma attacks.

I know my asthma attacks were triggered by environmental toxins I was introducing to my home through cleaners, personal care products, etc...I've switched to safer products through the company I work with and haven't had an asthma attack in two years (and I've gotten off all prescriptions). Another factor could be her outdoor environment...Arizon is a VERY dry place, and Oregon is more humid. I know that my asthma gets worse in the summer here (Wyoming) because it's so dry (we have less than 20% humidity) but when we were in Hawaii in April, although it was hot, I had no problems because of the humidity...That could be why she has no problems when she's with you...

Just my thoughts! Best of luck and if you ever need to talk I'm here!!

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need advice for our daughter

Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not with us) and we are in Oregon. Her mother has not given us her insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also with no name or prescription. My daughter never complains about asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting, headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we know these side effects are probably from her medications because they go

away within a week of her being with us. The first time she came here she had no carryon baggage because she was just 4 and when we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with the whole thing. We do carry around her emergency inhalor with us everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we can't do

that.Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency inhalor). One of my main problems is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it reduce the immediate effect? Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking her meds because she can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her words) and not sick all the time. She is not scared of asthma and she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has her take her emergency inhalor. We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We

have taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington, Disneyland. None of these places trigger it. We thought maybe pets but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause 3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.I am just so frustrated with everything.

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I pity your daughter. You and her mother both sound like completely pathetic

parents. You can't take her to a doctor? God forbid she ever gets ill or

hurt in your care then. It's really said when two ignorant, immature, and

selfish people reproduce, even worse when they split up and refuse to work

together in the best interests of the child. Child protective services needs

to be called on both of you poor excuses for parents.

need advice for our daughter

> Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not

> with us) and we are in Oregon. Her mother has not given us her

> insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't

> take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her

> pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all

> medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address

> or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel

> comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription

> or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also

> with no name or prescription. My daughter never complains about

> asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk

> three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting,

> headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we

> know these side effects are probably from her medications because

> they go away within a week of her being with us. The first time she

> came here she had no carryon baggage because she was just 4 and when

> we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a

> local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her

> mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says

> anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually

> she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in

> the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with

> the whole thing. We do carry around her emergency inhalor with us

> everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My

> wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read

> about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our

> pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice

> without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we

> can't do that.

> Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily

> inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency inhalor). One of my main problems

> is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor

> twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't

> that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it

> reduce the immediate effect?

> Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking

> her meds because she can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't

> let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her

> words) and not sick all the time. She is not scared of asthma and

> she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her

> asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has

> her take her emergency inhalor.

> We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but

> supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We have

> taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington,

> Disneyland. None of these places trigger it. We thought maybe pets

> but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a

> bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause

> 3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron

> supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it

> was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.

> I am just so frustrated with everything.

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AMEN Sue!SueNY wrote: I pity your daughter. You and her mother both sound like completely patheticparents. You can't take her to a doctor? God forbid she ever gets ill orhurt in your care then. It's really said when two ignorant, immature, andselfish people reproduce, even worse when they split up and refuse to worktogether in the best interests of the child. Child protective services needsto be called on both of you poor excuses for parents. need advice for our daughter> Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not> with us) and we are in Oregon. Her mother has not given us her> insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't> take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her> pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all> medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address> or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel> comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription> or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also> with no name or

prescription. My daughter never complains about> asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk> three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting,> headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we> know these side effects are probably from her medications because> they go away within a week of her being with us. The first time she> came here she had no carryon baggage because she was just 4 and when> we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a> local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her> mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says> anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually> she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in> the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with> the whole thing. We do carry around

her emergency inhalor with us> everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My> wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read> about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our> pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice> without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we> can't do that.> Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily> inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency inhalor). One of my main problems> is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor> twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't> that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it> reduce the immediate effect?> Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking> her meds because she can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't>

let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her> words) and not sick all the time. She is not scared of asthma and> she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her> asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has> her take her emergency inhalor.> We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but> supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We have> taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington,> Disneyland. None of these places trigger it. We thought maybe pets> but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a> bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause> 3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron> supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it> was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.>

I am just so frustrated with everything.>>>>>>>>

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tracey gray wrote:

AMEN Sue!

SueNY wrote:

I pity your daughter. You and her mother both sound like

completely pathetic

parents.

I haven't completely followed this

thread, but these responses sure sound negative and judgmental!

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First off all, please learn how to properly reply and post.. Secondly, read the entire thread and you'll see why we are coming down so hard on the ignorant moron of a father.

Re: Re: need advice for our daughter

tracey gray wrote:

AMEN Sue!SueNY wrote:

I pity your daughter. You and her mother both sound like completely patheticparents.

I haven't completely followed this thread, but these responses sure sound negative and judgmental!

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I personally believe the post to be somewhat farfetched. How does he know the names of the meds if they don't have a label? Also, as stated, the inhalers labels are on the boxes themselves. The other meds, well, maybe they get samples? I don't know, I've asked the question but haven't gotten a reply. If he has that little girl for 12 weeks of the year, he does need to find a local doctor for her in case her breathing becomes compromised and she needs help. The doc should see her not only when she's ill but when she's feeling well too, he needs a baseline. The drugs he's indicated are not recreational drugs, so someone is prescribing them and expecting her to be given proper dosage. He admitted the mother doesn't know the daughter doesn't get her medicines when she's with him. How sad is that? Total miscommunication while this little girl is being put in jeapordy. If I were the Mom I would

hope someone would blast my ex and make him wake up, be it the net, or wherever. I'm a Mom first and foremost, noone can fault me for that. My best interest is that child. I also know that without a doubt, his pediatrician could at least listen to her and advise the father what to do. The father stated that the pediatrician is concerned but cannot treat without records. I beg to differ! What if it were an emergency situation? Please everyone, go back and read the first post and the second post of this man, you will see without reasonable doubt, the man is confused. Actually I'll even bet it's the step mother doing the posting. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but you can take the child from his mom, but you can never stop being a mom. (and contrary to what my son thinks MOM stands for, I'll always be his MOM!) He says, Made of Money! Lesa Schmidt wrote:

On the other hand I can also see his point in not giving the medications ifthere's no pharmacy and no prescribing doctor indicated, no letter from thedoctor explaining the diagnosis or the medications, or not even a name/phonenumber for the doctor in the event of an emergency. I work in a privateschool, and if we were given medications in non-labeled packaging withoutdocumentation from a prescribing doctor we could not legally dispense them.I would be very uncomfortable giving a child any medication without it beinglabeled and without having contact information for the

doctor.-----Original Message-----I agree with Jessi, NOBODY responds to hostility. I see where thisfather and mother are being highly irresposible, but you won't changehis actions by angry accusations. I was really utilizing the info Igot from this group and really feeling supportive until these last fewbitter posts. Now I am sure you will fire your negativity toward me.>> Please don't jump to conclusions. I have read every word of thisthread - including all of yours.>> That is exactly why I wrote what I did.>> Jessie>

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Thank you lemon:)lemoncurls wrote: I agree that this man and mother need to Wake Up and not put their child in a more harmful situation. I don't think he understands the magnitude of this disease. But if it was me, the minute I saw someone call me a "moron" I would stop reading the posts. He obviously is in the dark about what to do and reaching out. I think he needs to take his daughter to a local doc ASAP as you first suggested.> >> > Please don't jump to conclusions. I have read every word of this > thread - including all of yours.> > > > That is exactly why I wrote what I did.> > > > Jessie> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football '06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today!> __________________________________________________

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As pointed out, drugs do not come in plain white packages, especially samples. The company wants you to know what you are sampling.

As we have not heard from "daddy" since his first couple of posts, could it be that he just dragged a red herring across our paths?

Jessie (not Jessi - there are two of us)

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Well, this thread has finally convinced me to say goodbye to this group. Since my Asthma has been pretty much "cured" by "idiotic, stupid" herbal remedies, I really don't need to be here anyway. , after the verbal bashing you've taken here, if you're looking for a more supportive group, try joining Asthma2. Matt, I hope you're also on Asthma2, you are an incredible and positive resource for all who suffer with this disease. Best of health to you all. Ritatracey gray wrote: Thank you lemon:)lemoncurls wrote: I agree that this man and mother need to Wake Up and not put their child in a more harmful situation. I don't think he understands the magnitude of this disease. But if it was me, the minute I saw someone call me a "moron" I would stop reading the posts. He obviously is in the dark about what to do and reaching out. I think he needs to take his daughter to a local doc ASAP as you first suggested.> >> > Please don't jump to conclusions. I have read every word of this > thread - including all of yours.> > > > That is exactly why I wrote what I did.> > > > Jessie> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football '06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today!> __________________________________________________

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Actually I've heard from Dad quite a bit off-list. He's only one person, and there is quite a long list of prolific posters here who seem to have a great deal of time to spend on their computers. In addition, one should be able to understand that having assumptive judgments declared and foul language utilized does not create a positive exchange or a supportive environment.

-----Original Message-----From: asthma [mailto:asthma ]On Behalf Of poniesSent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:49 PMTo: asthma Subject: Re: need advice for our daughter

As pointed out, drugs do not come in plain white packages, especially samples. The company wants you to know what you are sampling.

As we have not heard from "daddy" since his first couple of posts, could it be that he just dragged a red herring across our paths?

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Another thing that no one has mentioned is does the mom smoke in the house around the child? If she does she needs to be educated about what that does to an asthmatic child or adult. I have to carry a dust mask with me to deal with rude smokers who don't care where they blow their nasty clouds even outside. Climate changes also affect my asthma. This mom needs to be a little more cooperative with you about the child's care, but it may be a good idea to seek legal advice about what to do. Take care, tracey gray wrote: First of all, an adult sending a child for the summer that doesn't pack the meds in her carry on, is neglegent. What type of inhaler is your daughter supposed to be on? Rescue or a daily inhaler? Asthma meds should not be abruptly stopped without the recommendation from a Physician. Claritin certainly shouldn't be abruptly stopped either, it's an allergy med and it sounds as though your daughter may have allergy induced asthma, not worth the risk of not having the meds, it's called preventive medication. You could have gone to your local pharmacy and had her doctor fax an RX, you should not have taken the chance and waited 3 weeks for her meds to come. Shame on her mom for taking that long to send them. Asthma is a very serious condition, and must be terribly frightening for an 8 year old. I wouldn't necessarily say

her mom has "a sick house" either. Some climates worsen asthma, stress worsens asthma, there are many contributing factors to asthma symptoms, progress & triggers. I'm assuming you have a local physician for her when she's at your home, because of her condition. If not, perhaps you should think about it. You may live in a cleaner environment, and she may not need all the meds when she's with you, but you need to hear that from a physician. I agree with Lesa. I would sign a release as well, so that the doctor that she sees at home and her doctor she sees when she's with you, can correspond. If a doctor tells you to discontinue the meds, than so be it, but you can't do it on your own. Her mom can't be over medicating your daughter. There is a physician somewhere who wrote the prescriptions and had good reason to do so. You have her 12 out of 52 weeks from what

you've posted. Please don't take the little bit of time you spend with your daughter fighting with her mom or disagreeing about her care. You're wasting precious and valuable time that could be well spent being a dad. I agree that her mom should be using a peak flow meter on your daughter, are you? If so, what are her numbers? Are they within normal range? Other than the above advice, my only other advice is to stop putting this child in the middle of a dispute you seem to have with your ex. You are talking about an 8 year old child. Put your differences aside and put your daughter's health on the top of your priority list. Also, if she's severely asthmatic at home, probably due to an allergen, she can't just go home with no medication in her system. You're taking high risks, and I don't think it's worth it. CONSULT

WITH A PHYSICIAN!Rita Weirich wrote: It sounds like her mother may have a "sick" house. I think that may have been part of my problem in Atlanta. Not sure if it was leaving the house or moving to Florida that helped the most, but I'm grateful. If the problem goes away when she's at your house, that should tell you that the problem is in the house! RitaLesa Schmidt wrote: Call your daughter's doctor and disucss the symptoms she shows at mom's andwhy all these meds have been prescribed. See what tests/studies/etc havebeen done to determine the need for these medicaitons. Once you have allthat

information, do some research.-----Original Message-----From: asthma [mailto:asthma ]On Behalf Ofprecious_little_rosebuds_ccSent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:19 PMTo: asthma Subject: Need advice for our daughterMy daughter (8yrs) is supposedly asthmatic. She was diagnosed 4years ago while living at her mother's house. Ever since then shehas been taking an inhaler once a day and claritin. The first timeshe came to stay with us for the summer, her baggage got lost and wehad to wait 3 weeks before her mother sent her medication. Duringthose 3 weeks she was perfectly fine, no weezing or heavy breathingnothing, she would run and play normally and be fine. So when hermeds got here we never gave them to

her. She comes here for 8 weeksin summer 1 in fall 2 in winter and 1 in spring. In the last 4 yearsduring all these breaks we have never given her the medication thatis sent with us, she has never once in all that time had anysymptoms of asthma or anything. We have asked her mother to back offof her meds or try alternate medications, we even asked her to startusing a peak flow meter, she has fully refused all of these. Now sheis with us again for summer and her mother sent a note saying herasthma is severe, she now is supposed to take her inhaler threetimes a day and her emergency inhaler twice a day as well as threedifferent kinds of pills including the claritin. She has been here aweek and so far has had no symptoms. We don't want to be loading herup on these meds, it is obious that she doesn't need them, at leastnot here, but we fear her mother is overdosing her with medication.What do we do? Is there any natural

medication or herbs to helpher? Any advise would help alot.

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Get some legal advice. Mom may be medicating child without a real good reason. The packets are probably samples and the mom is keeping the boxes to the inhalers which would have the prescribing information on them. What if you all would have a real emergency and couldn't reach mom. This gives you nothing to work with. Call a lawyer now. This doesn't sound right. precious_little_rosebuds_cc wrote: Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not with us) and we are in Oregon. Her

mother has not given us her insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also with no name or prescription. My daughter never complains about asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting, headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we know these side effects are probably from her medications because they go away within a week of her being with us. The first time she came here she had no carryon baggage because she

was just 4 and when we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with the whole thing. We do carry around her emergency inhalor with us everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we can't do that.Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency

inhalor). One of my main problems is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it reduce the immediate effect? Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking her meds because she can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her words) and not sick all the time. She is not scared of asthma and she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has her take her emergency inhalor. We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We have taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington, Disneyland. None of these

places trigger it. We thought maybe pets but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause 3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.I am just so frustrated with everything.God bless you!

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Tracey, I say mom is the one who needs to get over it. She's putting this child at risk by not letting dad have access to the medical records and pediatrician's name and address. Dad does not automatically have access and if he doesn't know who to call, how could he get it anyway? Dad needs to call his lawyer, now. A battle over the health of a child is a war that could be lost the hard way. I say here to give the child the meds for now until it's found out through a medical doctor that she really doesn't need them. However, if the child truly doesn't need the meds don't make her take them. Check with a doctor first. tracey gray wrote: Taken directly from your first post, you did state claritin, now it's singulair? asthma is severe, she now is supposed to take her inhaler three times a day and her emergency inhaler twice a day as well as three different kinds of pills including the claritin. I don't want to sound harsh, but you're really confusing me. You could take your daughter to your local pediatrician, you may have to be a self-pay, but I'd think that would be priceless when you're talking endangering the life of a child by discontinuing meds without physician's advice. You stated you've taken her to Disney, well, if you've the money to do that, you certainly could take her

to your pediatrician. I still see it's a battle between you and your ex. GET OVER IT! Put this precious child's health first. Forget the battle. How did you get the names of the medicines if you didn't receive a list and if they're all unlabeled? Inhalers labels are on the box that they come in, so that doesn't surprise me with the inhalers, but the pills, I'm concerned with. Are they samples? Bubble Packs? I am a mother and I can't imagine wanting to put my child through unneccesary medications. I can say that if I had to send my child to his fathers (not the case, since we're married) and the father didn't adhere to medical prescriptions, I'd stop letting my child go. Your ex isn't evil for making sure her daughter's asthma is taken care of. The girl is 8, she doesn't know her MD's name? I can't

imagine a divorce decree not allowing you to have access to your daughter's medical records. You may want to check into that as well. Given the fact that your relationship is great with your daughter because she enjoys not taking her meds, is quite irresponsible on your part. Give any child the choice of swallowing pills or not and of course, they'll choose not to. So don't go there. And not to forget to mention, you say you know she has no allergies to meds because of a presciption she had of iron. Well, do you know there are other meds other than Iron Supplements? She very well could be allergic to some kind of meds, as well as dogs & cats. It doesn't matter if she has two at home and you have some as well, she still could be allergic to them. C'mon, get a grip. Your frustrations should really be with yourself. You're a

father. You have a responsibility. It's time to step up to the plate. Sooner or later you and your ex are going to have to come to terms in regards to your daughter's healthcare, you might as well start the process. Also, I didn't see an answer to my question in regards to a peak flow meter, are you having her do her peak flows? Remember, you can read all you want on the internet about medications, asthma, etc. But remember, medicines will effect everyone differently. I'm sure you've seen in all your readings that you cannot abruptly stop taking medicines. So why are you endangering her? Another question for you? God Forbid, but if something were to happen to your daughter, ie, fell off a bike and injured her head, what is your protocol? You wouldn't wait for her MD from home to treat her, so treat her asthma

no differently than you would any other life threatening illness/injury. precious_little_rosebuds_cc wrote: Unfortunatley our daughter lives in Arizona with her mother(when not with us) and we are in Oregon. Her mother has not given us her insurance information, and we are on state insurance, so we can't take her to a doctor ourselves, and she will not tell us her pediatricians name. Just a letter saying she needs to take all medications that are prescribed to her. It has no number's address or a list of those medicines. That is another reason we don't feel comfortable giving her medications, her inhalors have no precription or her name on them and her pills come in individualpackets also

with no name or prescription. My daughter never complains about asthma or symptoms when I talk to her on the phone(and we talk three/four times a week) she only complains about her tummy hurting, headaches, motionlike sickness and other non-related symptoms, we know these side effects are probably from her medications because they go away within a week of her being with us. The first time she came here she had no carryon baggage because she was just 4 and when we asked for her doctor info, prescription and insurance to go to a local pharmacy her mother said no and she would just send it. Her mother does not know she does not get her meds and never says anything about her asthma flairing up when she goes home. Actually she never tells us anything about her asthma. We are very kept in the dark about everything, which is why we feel uncomfortable with the whole thing. We do carry around her emergency inhalor with us

everywhere we go, just in case, so far we have never needed it. My wife and I have looked up everything there is to look up and read about asthma, symptoms and triggers and we have spoken with our pediatrician who is also concerned but can not give us advice without seeing her chart, and of course without knowing who he is we can't do that.Her medications are Singulair, Zyrtec, Niferex, Flovent(daily inhalor) and Albuterol(emergency inhalor). One of my main problems is the fact that she is now supposed to use her emergency inhalor twice a day now. Does that seem odd to anyone else, I mean doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being for emergencies and won't it reduce the immediate effect? Also my relationship with my daughter is great she enjoys not taking her meds because she can be a normal kid(apparently her mom doesn't let her play like 'healthy' kids because it could make her sick, her words) and not sick

all the time. She is not scared of asthma and she doesn't even know what it is, when we asked her to describe her asthma attacks she just said she coughs a little and her mother has her take her emergency inhalor. We thought maybe the area she lives in or the enviromental area but supposedly she gets asthma attacks in Seattle as well. We have taken her to the beach, Portland, Eastern Oregon and Washington, Disneyland. None of these places trigger it. We thought maybe pets but she only has two dogs but we have dogs, cats, hamsters, fish, a bird and a ferret. We know she has no allergies to medication cause 3 years ago her aunt sent her here from Seattle with an iron supplement that was a prescription, but it was from Seattle so it was not her regular doctor that prescribed it.I am just so frustrated with everything. __________________________________________________

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Sue is negative to the hilt. Dad, don't mind them and call your lawyer. Then take your daughter to a pediatrician there for a complete checkup to see if she truly needs the meds. If your ex smokes in the house, that may be a major culprit. See if something can't be done about that. Do be a man, this child depends on you. Donna Faith K- wrote: tracey gray wrote: AMEN Sue!SueNY wrote: I pity your daughter. You and her mother both sound like completely patheticparents. I haven't completely followed this thread, but these responses sure sound negative and judgmental! God bless you!

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I don't believe he's trying to prove a point to anyone. He's legitimately questioning the NEED for all this medication when the child shows NO symptoms when she's with him. I still say see his lawyer and a doctor for advice, then have the lawyer talk to the mother's lawyer and mother and go from there. I feel it's irresponsible to take the child off the meds without medical advice, but I can say it in a nice way so it's not like we're piledriving the poor man. He's asking for help not hostility. tracey gray wrote: Imagine me disagreeing with you when you say nobody responds to hostility? I do believe some do. Sometimes you have to be aggressive and honest to get a point across. I bet if nothing else he'll actually read the posts and think twice and realize his daughter's life is much more important than trying to prove a point to his ex wife. I don't see where you or Jessi are saying negativity is a problem. I guess I'm scared for the child and think asthma needs to be taken more seriously.lemoncurls wrote: I agree with Jessi, NOBODY responds to hostility. I see where this father and mother are being highly irresposible, but you won't change his actions by angry accusations. I was really utilizing the info I got from this group and really feeling supportive until these last few bitter

posts. Now I am sure you will fire your negativity toward me.>> Please don't jump to conclusions. I have read every word of this thread - including all of yours.> > That is exactly why I wrote what I did.> > Jessie> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! God bless you!

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I work with kids at church and we have to have permission from a parent before we can even give a tylenol. We have parents file permission slips every year for AWANA so we have contact information and permission to take a child to the ER in a real emergency. We adults even do slips in case something happens. I have asthma and diabetes so I can be hit with problems either way. Lesa Schmidt wrote: On the other hand I can also see his point in not giving the medications ifthere's no pharmacy and no prescribing doctor

indicated, no letter from thedoctor explaining the diagnosis or the medications, or not even a name/phonenumber for the doctor in the event of an emergency. I work in a privateschool, and if we were given medications in non-labeled packaging withoutdocumentation from a prescribing doctor we could not legally dispense them.I would be very uncomfortable giving a child any medication without it beinglabeled and without having contact information for the doctor.-----Original Message-----I agree with Jessi, NOBODY responds to hostility. I see where thisfather and mother are being highly irresposible, but you won't changehis actions by angry accusations. I was really utilizing the info Igot from this group and really feeling supportive until these last fewbitter posts. Now I am sure you will fire your negativity toward me.>> Please don't jump to conclusions. I have read every word of thisthread - including all of yours.>> That is exactly why I wrote what I did.>> Jessie>

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Tracey, Now you've jumped to one too many conclusions. You don't know all the legal things going on here. I'm a mom too and a grandma. If mine were sick I'd move all the mountains in the world to see that it was taken care of. By the way, I can't get my granddaughter treated without her mother's permission, so be careful about what you say here. No doctor will ethically put him/her self in legal jeopardy by treating without knowing what another doctor is doing and prescribing. I see two doctors and they both know what the other is doing and prescribing. If I go to the ER, my GP gets records about what was found and done. Saying that the stepmom may have done the posts was off base. Are you now a psychic? Yes, I can be very blunt too when I'm pushed. I've been pushed. tracey gray wrote: I personally believe the post to be somewhat farfetched. How does he know the names of the meds if they don't have a label? Also, as stated, the inhalers labels are on the boxes themselves. The other meds, well, maybe they get samples? I don't know, I've asked the question but haven't gotten a reply. If he has that little girl for 12 weeks of the year, he does need to find a local doctor for her in case her breathing becomes compromised and she needs help. The doc should see her not only when she's ill but when she's feeling well too, he needs a baseline. The drugs he's indicated are not recreational drugs, so someone is

prescribing them and expecting her to be given proper dosage. He admitted the mother doesn't know the daughter doesn't get her medicines when she's with him. How sad is that? Total miscommunication while this little girl is being put in jeapordy. If I were the Mom I would hope someone would blast my ex and make him wake up, be it the net, or wherever. I'm a Mom first and foremost, noone can fault me for that. My best interest is that child. I also know that without a doubt, his pediatrician could at least listen to her and advise the father what to do. The father stated that the pediatrician is concerned but cannot treat without records. I beg to differ! What if it were an emergency situation? Please everyone, go back and read the first post and the second post of this man, you will see without reasonable doubt, the man is confused. Actually I'll even bet it's the step mother doing the

posting. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but you can take the child from his mom, but you can never stop being a mom. (and contrary to what my son thinks MOM stands for, I'll always be his MOM!) He says, Made of Money! Lesa Schmidt wrote: On the other hand I can also see his point in not giving the medications ifthere's no pharmacy and no prescribing doctor indicated, no letter from thedoctor explaining the diagnosis or the medications, or not even a name/phonenumber for the doctor in the event of an emergency. I work in a privateschool, and if we were given medications in non-labeled packaging withoutdocumentation from a prescribing doctor we could not legally dispense them.I would be very uncomfortable giving a child any medication without it beinglabeled and without having contact

information for the doctor.-----Original Message-----I agree with Jessi, NOBODY responds to hostility. I see where thisfather and mother are being highly irresposible, but you won't changehis actions by angry accusations. I was really utilizing the info Igot from this group and really feeling supportive until these last fewbitter posts. Now I am sure you will fire your negativity toward me.>> Please don't jump to conclusions. I have read every word of thisthread - including all of yours.>> That is exactly why I wrote what I did.>> Jessie>

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Oh, Matt please post some to Asthma2. I've had it with this bunch. Lesa Schmidt wrote: Actually I've heard from Dad quite a bit off-list. He's only one person, and there is quite a long list of prolific posters here who seem to have a great deal of time to spend on their computers. In addition, one should be able to understand that having assumptive judgments declared and foul language utilized does not create a positive exchange or

a supportive environment. -----Original Message-----From: asthma [mailto:asthma ]On Behalf Of poniesSent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:49 PMTo: asthma Subject: Re: need advice for our daughter As pointed out, drugs do not come in plain white packages, especially samples. The company wants you to know what you are sampling. As we have not heard from "daddy" since his first couple of posts, could it be that he just dragged a red herring across our paths? Jessie (not

Jessi - there are two of us) God bless you!

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I am so really over this topic not even funny!!! And yes I have read from the beginning of this thread. I have enough negativity in my life --please remove me from this list. For those of you that have tried to make everyone welcome and feel like they can ask advice KUDOS to you all...and for those who think that negativity and discouragement will move mountains smile a little, laugh alot...the smallest of kind words can brighten more than just the person you are speaking to but yourself also.

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Are you really that much of an idiot? Who put you on this list? YOU. You subbed to this list so YOU have to unsub. Don't be lazy and expect anyone else to do it for you. No one can, even if they wanted. The person that owns this list, another idiot, turned his/her back on it and refuses to respond to email. Just another shining example of irresponsibilty and ignorance.

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I am so really over this topic not even funny!!! And yes I have read from the beginning of this thread. I have enough negativity in my life --please remove me from this list. For those of you that have tried to make everyone welcome and feel like they can ask advice KUDOS to you all...and for those who think that negativity and discouragement will move mountains smile a little, laugh alot...the smallest of kind words can brighten more than just the person you are speaking to but yourself also.

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