Re: What Advice Would You Give Someone That Just Became ILL?

[Guest guest]

Gosh that is a toughie. I am trying to think how I would handle it if she

were my daughter. I guess I would tell her that everyone is not the same and

people do get better, that now is the time to take care of herself and get good

care.

I would be supportive to her emotional needs as well a physical.

As you know after 20 years, me too, you go through all the emotions of

grief, Kubler Ross's book,......

Gosh that is a hard one.....I wish I had a simple answer. You are there for

her and that is so important and she is lucky to have you.

Has she got a diagnoses?

I wish I could be of help, my heart goes out to you and your daughter.

Kate

My daughter was dx'd with FM at age 15. She had a tough go for about

1 yr. She was fine for 5 yrs. Now she's now 21, finishing school &

having a lot of fatigue & pain issues.

I would do anything for her not to have the life of pain/fatigue that

we have.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Well I think if you almost totally rest and watch your diet and take vitamins

EARLY ON that you could get better. Certainly trying to do it later on seems an

impossibility to get better. I have a wonderful doctor and she despairs at

times because nothing makes much difference for me but I have had it for 24 yrs

now.

Nerida

macsfarm22 wrote:

My daughter was dx'd with FM at age 15. She had a tough go for about

1 yr. She was fine for 5 yrs. Now she's now 21, finishing school &

having a lot of fatigue & pain issues.

I would do anything for her not to have the life of pain/fatigue that

we have.

[Guest guest]

Are you anywhere near any of these centres? A friend of mine has insurance

that covers their treatment. They follow the Teitelbaum protocol, more or

less, and he's just been made the director.

http://www.fibroandfatigue.com/index.php

Alison

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[Guest guest]

I agree that your questions are difficult ones and I hesitate to try to answer

them. I've often asked myself what I could have done differently if I'd been

diagnosed sooner and seen a good doctor right away.

First, I have known several young woman who completely recovered from FM and

even CFS.

Second, I would encourage her just as you're doing. If I could do things over

again, I would learn to pace myself and really listen to my body. Not push

myself....our society encourages us to " tough things out " ...but, as we know,

pushing ourselves is the very worst thing we can do. I'd learn to say " No, I'm

sorry, but I can't do that now. " I'd also look at my diet. A change in diet has

been one the biggest helps to me (I know this isn't true of everyone). I found

out I was allergic to many common foods/additives and cut them out of my diet. I

can now eat most things again, but find that sugar is still really bad for me. I

also think that drinking lots of water has been helpful--I'm grateful that I

like the stuff!

Definitely avoiding stress. Learning cognitive behavior therapy--not because the

illness is " all in my head, " but because the techniques help me cope--would help

even if I weren't ill.

I'd get a good physical therapist. Or an excellent gentle yoga teacher. Just

breathing properly and, as you say, stretching, helps. Swimming/aqua therapy if

possible.

I'd concentrate on all the things I could still do and not worry so much about

what I couldn't do. And I'd believe, with all my heart, that I was getting well.

Of course, if you can find a really good dr. (I was lucky to be able to see Dr.

Cheney a couple of times) that's a huge help, too.

Self-hypnosis, meditation, guided imagery--all or helpful. No one thing is a

" cure, " but with care I do believe your daughter can recover. Each of us does

have a healing capacity within us. And I think that's easier when we're young

and not too sick. Help the body, but allow it to heal...

None of this is magic and none of it is new. But your daughter has you--a huge

advantage!!!! I didn't have a clue about what was going on with me and no one I

could tell. Don't focus on the illness, but on the capacity for wellness. Easy

to say, I know...but it can be done.

Wishing you all the best!

Theresa

P.S. After 20 yrs. I haven't completely recovered. I still have lots of not-good

days. Am I better? Who knows? I might die of heart failure tomorrow. So could

anyone. But I feel better. I can do more things that I enjoy. I am still

learning...I still over-do and " pay " for it. But my life has improved-I am not

better than I was 20 yrs. ago, when I was younger. But I'm better than 10 years

ago...Sorry this is so long. My heart does go out to you and your daughter. I

know how my mother worried about me--I didn't live close to her and manage to

keep the illness a secret for years.

What Advice Would You Give Someone That Just Became

ILL?

My daughter was dx'd with FM at age 15. She had a tough go for about

1 yr. She was fine for 5 yrs. Now she's now 21, finishing school &

having a lot of fatigue & pain issues.

I would do anything for her not to have the life of pain/fatigue that

we have.

I have always been of the belief that you have to stop it quickly (if

you can) & do anything you can. I suggested she rest, drink plenty

of liquids, reduce her stress & stretch.....

In our day & age with doctors not agreeing that CF/FM is a disease, &

that it's all in our head. Now knowing what we do & with 20/20 hind

sight what would you suggest people do?

Do we/they just try to get by? Is that all we can do? Just do the best

we can?

I personally have done nothing but get worse throughout the last 20

yrs. My doctor asks now & then if I am any better than when I started

with him. I want to say yes, but I have to say no.

He has helped so much. I feel bad saying no, but.... I haven't gotten

better.

Have you?

What is your experience?

What is your advice to someone who is just dx'd?

What would you suggest they do?

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[Guest guest]

---hi

i had a real job reading your post and find it quite a story ae ryou

realy saying that you have tried nothing else in those 20 years --

nothing ..i find that incredible

if you would do anything as you say ---so many say this and do

absolutly nothing --but yiu of course may be the entire exception

i hope.

well here goes but study well ....and if you do nothing with this

info i will personaly come over there and smack your wrist

EDGAR CAYCE'S PERSPECTIVE ON FIBROMYALGIA

During Edgar Cayce's era it was commonly called muscular rheumatism.

Several individuals with this diagnosis received readings on their

condition.

OVERVIEW OF THERAPEUTIC REGIME

The treatments recommended in the Cayce readings on fibromyalgia are

mainly directed toward improving the digestive,

circulatory,

nervous,

and eliminating systems.

if you dont know what these are and their importance i suggest you

find out sharpish

Diet,

moderate exercise,

a mild form of energy medicine (Radial Appliance),

spinal manipulations

and general massage,

colon irrigation,

and castor oil packs are therapies intended to improve these vital

systemic functions.

As was typical of Cayce's holistic approach, the mental and

spiritual aspects of therapy were emphasized.

Here are the basic therapies recommended for the treatment of

fibromyalgia based on the Cayce information on this disorder:

All people are advised to get The Edgar Cayce Handbook for Health

through Drugless therapy by Hugh Lynn Cayce Harold Reilly and Ruth

Hagy Brod ISBN 0-02-601960-4 Harold reillys 43 years of experience

of working with the research the results he, got the treatments he

gave- a very valuable book

These are the principles we can only try to empasise the importance

of every one of them to your health

1. INTERNAL CLEANSING: Hydrotherapy includes drinking six to eight

glasses of pure water daily, colonic irrigations (preferably) or

enemas, and a cleansing diet of fresh fruits and vegetables.

Sometimes even a sweat bath was recommended

2.Castor oil packs across the abdomen are recommended to improve

eliminations through the liver and colon. Mild laxatives may be

helpful if constipation is a problem. Fume baths assist with

elimination of toxins through the skin.

3.MANUAL THERAPY (SPINAL MANIPULATION AND MASSAGE): Osteopathic or

chiropractic treatment is recommended to relieve any pressures that

may be hindering circulation and decreasing eliminations. This is

vital , your spine and its nerve pathways can have an enormous

influence on how you feel and the functioning of your body. The

Cayce readings contain many very complimentary comments about

osteopathy of that day, such as: " There is no form of physical

mechanotherapy so near in accord with nature's measures as correctly

given osteopathic adjustments. "

4. Gentle massage is suggested to relax the body and improve

circulation and eliminations. Firstly find someone to massage your

back and legs at least 3 times a week

Use peanut oil or a mix of 50-50 olive and peanut oil. Paying

particular attention to the spine and choose someone who is sympathy

with your condition. It is by no mere chance that massage has been

around for thousands of years .It is effective speeds up the toxic

removal process, enables blood to flow to many more capillaries and

can be a major factor in your well being. We advocate massage on a

weekly basis as a normal healthy practice.

Here are some reported benefits of massage:

Research in massage therapy has been ongoing for more than 120

years.

Here are some reported benefits of massage:

Preliminary results suggested cancer patients had less pain and

anxiety after receiving therapeutic massage at the Cancer

Hospital and Research Institute in Columbus, Ohio.

Women who had experienced the recent death of a child were less

depressed after receiving therapeutic massage, according to

preliminary results of a study at the University of South Carolina

Medical school students at the University of Medicine and Dentistry

of New Jersey-New Jersey Medical School who were massaged before an

exam showed a significant decrease in anxiety and respiratory rates.

as well as a significant increase in white blood cells and natural

killer cell activity, suggesting a benefit to the immune system

Studies funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have found

massage beneficial in improving weight gain in HIV-exposed infants

and facilitating recovery in patients who underwent abdominal

surgery. At the University of Miami School of Medicine's Touch

Research Institute, researchers have found that massage is helpful

in decreasing blood pressure in people with hypertension,

alleviating pain in migraine sufferers and improving alertness and

performance in office workers.

An increasing number of research studies show massage reduces heart

rate, lowers blood pressure, increases blood circulation and lymph

flow, relaxes muscles, improves range of motion, and increases

endorphins (enhancing medical treatment). Although therapeutic

massage does not increase muscle strength, it can stimulate weak,

inactive muscles and, thus, partially compensate for the lack of

exercise and inactivity resulting from illness or injury. It also

can hasten and lead to a more complete recovery from exercise or

injury.

Research has verified that:

Office workers massaged regularly were more alert, performed better

and were less stressed than those who weren't massaged.

Massage therapy decreased the effects of anxiety, tension,

depression, pain, and itching in burn patients.

Abdominal surgery patients recovered more quickly after massage.

Premature infants who were massaged gained more weight and fared

better than those who weren't.

Autistic children showed less erratic behavior after massage therapy.

According AMTA, massage helps both physically and mentally.

" Often times people are stressed in our culture. Stress-related

disorders make up between 80-and-90 percent of the ailments that

bring people to family practice physicians. What they require is

someone to listen, someone to touch them, someone to care. That does

not exist in modern medicine.

One of the complaints heard frequently is that physicians don't

touch their patients any more. Touch just isn't there. Years ago

massage was a big part of nursing. There was so much care, so much

touch, so much goodness conveyed through massage. Now nurses for the

most part are as busy as physicians. They're writing charts, dealing

with insurance notes, they're doing procedures and often there is no

room for massage any more.

I believe massage therapy is absolutely key in the healing process

not only in the hospital environment but because it relieves stress,

it is obviously at the foundation in the healing process any time

and anywhere. "

Joan Borysenko - Massage Journal Interview, Fall 1999

Physical Benefits of Therapeutic Massage

Massage also provides another therapeutic component largely absent

in today's world: tactile stimulation, or, more simply, touch. In

1986, the Touch Research Institute at the University of Miami

published groundbreaking research on the effects of massage on

premature babies.

The preterm babies who received massage therapy showed 47% greater

weight gain and six-day shorter hospital stays than the infants who

were not receiving massage. But is this study evidence of what

loving touch can do spiritually, or rather what massage can do on a

physiological level? Regardless, babies are not the only benefactors

Helps relieve stress and aids relaxation

Helps relieve muscle tension and stiffness. Alleviates discomfort

during pregnancy

s faster healing of strained muscles and sprained ligaments;

reduces pain and swelling; reduces formation of excessive scar

tissue.

Reduces muscle spasms. Provides greater joint flexibility and range

of motion.

Enhances athletic performance; Treats injuries caused during sport

or work.

Promotes deeper and easier breathing Improves circulation of blood

and movement of lymph fluids.

Reduces blood pressure. Helps relieve tension-related headaches and

effects of eye-strain.

Enhances the health and nourishment of skin Improves posture.

Strengthens the immune system. Treats musculoskeletal problems.

Rehabilitation post operative Rehabilitation after injury.

(Source: AMTA

Mental Benefits of Massage Therapy

s peace of mind Promotes a relaxed state of mental alertness.

Helps relieve mental stress Improves ability to monitor stress

signals and respond appropriately.

Enhances capacity for calm thinking and creativity Emotional

Benefits.

Satisfies needs for caring nurturing touch s a feeling of well

being.

Reduces levels of anxiety Creates body awareness Increases awareness

of mind-body connection.

5. DIET: The Basic Cayce Diet is intended to improve assimilation

and elimination. The diet focuses heavily on keeping a proper

alkaline/acid balance while avoiding foods which produce toxicity

and drain the system. Essentially, the diet consists mainly of

fruits and vegetables while avoiding fried foods and refined

carbohydrates ( " junk food " ). Certain food combinations are

emphasized.

6.ENERGY MEDICINE: In addition to the above therapies which will

tend to improve circulation, the Radial Appliance is recommended to

further assist in increasing relaxation and nervous system

coordination. Edgar Cayce said that this appliance would be helpful

for anyone having problems with disturbed sleep and fatigue.the

radial appliance can be bourght from many outlets mainly in the usa

across the internet.this device was recommended hundereds of times

for all sorts of problems .i have a fact sheet on this

7MEDICINE: A ginseng tonic is recommended to improve digestion and

eliminations. Small dosages of beef juice are recommended for

persons who experience significant fatigue and lack of vitality.

8.MODERATE EXERCISE: Walking or other moderate exercise is

recommended. Be outdoors in the open as much as possible.

9.ATTITUDES AND EMOTIONS: The mental and emotional aspects of

healing are frequently discussed in the Cayce readings.

Particularly, an attitude of desiring and expecting to be healed is

important. A positive mental and emotional attitude and can be

created and maintained by focusing on a high purpose (ideal) for

being healed.

10. Ensure you do at least I hr per day some kind of voluntary

work especialy in some health related way- when you are able. Now

this touches on a concept where by contributing something to other

peoples welfare it is hoped that the universe will respond by

offsetting some of the not so good things we have done. I have a

whole paper devoted to this subject called karma. I will send a copy

of this to you – just e-mail me. Called karma

I believe that this could be a real key needing total importance in

treating many ailments, Edgar cayce devoted many hours to this very

topic, and there are many references to it in the bible. The wise

among you will consider this very carefully

11. Spiritual healing, Reiki, find a good healer - but someone you

feel an attunement with at a soul level otherwise you can have

negative results making your situation worse. We are know witnessing

one of the great turnings in our century where old healing practices

are re-emerging such as Reiki healing, Colour healing, Seichim,

Spiritual healing, Osteopathy, Massage and many others.

Some of these are thousands of years old, Spiritual healing is one

of those. It is exactly the same kind of energy used by Jesus in so

many of his healings.

Put simply Spiritual Healing, Reiki is the transference of certain

energies through a channel which could be a person or an animal or

even the planet, the wavelengths of this healing energy are well

outside the limits of most scientific equipment but a lot of people

can feel this energy .

The energy in my experience has been very uplifting and beautiful

which can touch and vastly influence parts of us such as the spirit

or soul or our mental selves and our physical selves. It can bring a

steadiness and balance and sense of well-being second to none .Its

limits as to its use are in the realms of the infinite.

A very simplistic analogy would be to liken it to a massive energy

reservoir which can be tapped into by people and animals which act

as the conduits of this energy and like wires of electricity some of

which are bigger than others and so therefore big wires can transmit

more energy than smaller wires.

Bearing this point in mind the reader can soon appreciate that going

to one healer can be vastly different than going to another as it is

with so many things whether it be dentists, doctors, policeman or

what have you.

Spiritual Healing is natural healing energy, which is present in

this universe. Spiritual healers work in many different ways to some

it is the laying on of hands onto a person or animal, to others it

can be sent through the power of thought. To be even in the presence

of some healers can have a profound and beneficial effect on people

and one wishes that there were more people giving off just as

beautiful vibrations as these people were this world would truly

transform it.

12. study the book -the journey ISBN 0-7225-3839-1

from this web site , http://www.thejourney.com/ this person

with the aid of the principles outlined clearly in the book -cleared

herself from a cancer growth the size of a football in 6 weeks .I

believe these same principles could be applied to a lot of

conditions with positive results.

*FIBROMYALGIA LINKED TO IBS*

The Edgar Cayce readings consistently maintain that problems in the

bowel can produce systemic conditions. A recent medical study echoes

this theme.

Researchers at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los

Angeles,California may have discovered a simple test that links

fibromyalgia (acondition manifesting as muscle pain) with irritable

bowel syndrome (orIBS, a condition involving abdominal pain,

bloating, and diarrhea).

The lactulose breath test (LBT) is used to assess for the presence

of microbes in the bowel in cases of IBS. Some previous studies have

found that nearly one-third of fibromyalgia patients also have IBS.

The study, published in the ls of the Rheumatic Diseases

(April2004), explored the hypothesis that LBT would be abnormal in

both IBS and fibromyalgia patients. The researchers recruited 42

fibromyalgia patients, 111 IBS patients, and 15 healthy control

subjects who were

given the LBT.

All the patients with fibromyalgia exhibited abnormal LBT results

compared to 84 percent in the IBS group and 20 percent in the

control group. Furthermore, the amount of hydrogen gas detected in

the LBT correlated with the level of pain in the fibromyalgia

patients.

The researchers noted that further studies would be needed to

determine if treatment and normalization of the LBT with antibiotics

can produce improvement in fibromyalgia symptoms.

Further information on other therapies and other ailments will be

found at my web site. Go to

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/

so its now up to you

phil

In CFAlliance , " macsfarm22 " wrote:

>

> My daughter was dx'd with FM at age 15. She had a tough go for

about

> 1 yr. She was fine for 5 yrs. Now she's now 21, finishing school &

> having a lot of fatigue & pain issues.

>

> I would do anything for her not to have the life of pain/fatigue

that

> we have.

>

> I have always been of the belief that you have to stop it quickly

(if

> you can) & do anything you can. I suggested she rest, drink plenty

> of liquids, reduce her stress & stretch.....

>

> In our day & age with doctors not agreeing that CF/FM is a

disease, &

> that it's all in our head. Now knowing what we do & with 20/20 hind

> sight what would you suggest people do?

>

> Do we/they just try to get by? Is that all we can do? Just do the

best

> we can?

>

> I personally have done nothing but get worse throughout the last 20

> yrs. My doctor asks now & then if I am any better than when I

started

> with him. I want to say yes, but I have to say no.

>

> He has helped so much. I feel bad saying no, but.... I haven't

gotten

> better.

>

> Have you?

>

> What is your experience?

>

> What is your advice to someone who is just dx'd?

>

> What would you suggest they do?

>

[Guest guest]

Hello!

I think you may have mis-read the message. The writer isn't saying she hasn't

tried anything in 20 years. She's saying she hasn't tried anything that really

helped her. She even says that she feels bad that her dr. has tried hard but she

can't tell him she feels any better.

Maybe I'm in a " prickly " mood, but I feel that this group should be a helpful,

supportive and safe place for us to talk and explore this illness and how it has

affected us. I feel that your response is less-than-charitable. Again, perhaps

I'm mis-reading you :>)

I've also tried many methods of spiritual healing and have found one that is

helpful to me. But I don't expect it to be something that everyone is open to.

Personally, I'm in agreement with almost everything you wrote ( read Edgar Cayce

many years ago and tried many of his suggestions.) But some people feel most

comfortable with traditional medicine, or cannot afford alternative treatments

(even some of the fairly simple and inexpensive treatments are time-consuming

and many people don't have anyone to help them out..even making a castor oil

pack can be exhausting when you're very ill).

You did mention the possibility of anti-biotic use, so obviously you're open to

allopathic treatment, too.

Anyway, this is my two cents--let's give info. but let's not be critical of each

other. We're all in this together. And if I am misunderstanding you, I apologize

! :>)

All the best,

Theresa in TN

Re: What Advice Would You Give Someone That Just Became

ILL?

---hi

i had a real job reading your post and find it quite a story ae ryou

realy saying that you have tried nothing else in those 20 years --

nothing ..i find that incredible

if you would do anything as you say ---so many say this and do

absolutly nothing --but yiu of course may be the entire exception

i hope.

well here goes but study well ....and if you do nothing with this

info i will personaly come over there and smack your wrist

[Guest guest]

---no i am being very charitable,and hopefully not too criticaland

genuinly wish this person much support and feel very strongly she

should not be in this position -well she should have information

accesst o it that could help her .

i meet so many i mean hundreds that are so brainwashed by white coat

syndrome that even when they see the facts the research which

milli9ons of pounds and much work has gone into --they still do

nothing --their perrogative ....

i am sure you are aware that out therre as we speak there is much

competition for patients money ....much vested interest in fact

nothing short as almost calling it a war .

to bar in mind that i am very aqainted with some of the researchers

on here mentioned personaly

Let me pose this as a question to you for answering it will reveal a

lot about health care systems and how they have evolved and what are

the implications of this to us and our health. This is the question.

Why are you being recommended the healing route, which is being

offered to you.

Another point that is to be made very clear here this is just not me

saying this but also thousands of doctors, therapists all over the

world who are moving to a more holistic kind of approach in dealing

with illness and many are only to aware of the health care systems

which are in place now and how they evolved.

Another point I am making crystal clear some of the therapies

offered to you maybe quite effective also. But that is not to say

they are the best or cannot be improved upon substantially. And as

you will know and see there are some really big limitations which

these principles will uncover. As I see it these principles are

irrefutable until the day comes where research is done in an

objective way funded by a party with no interests but one and that

is for the good of the patient with results published good, bad, or

indifferent.

Drugs and other treatments

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment. At present the

system in England and in many countries is this.

Point 1

All treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested

and approved and quite rightly so. I am sure we would all want that.

Point 2

Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments

because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent

litigation costing millions of pounds.

Point 3

Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? Does

the government fund much research into health care and what is its

agenda- a little yes but in comparison to drug companies the sums

are very small.

So by far the biggest source of money going into research is the

drug companies.

Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the

main they are there to make profit.

What do you think the implications of that statement means. Well as

we speak there are already groups of people begging companies to

find a drug to deal with all sorts of problems .A lot of these

groups are turned down because there is not enough of them suffering

to justify the cost of research.

Also take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further

or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves

to know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

By and large only treatments which show a potential for profit will

even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit,

not for serving the people.

So many of the hundreds of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved.

These may include osteopathy, Reiki, spiritual healing, nutrition,

EFT. Acupuncture, yoga, sound therapy, colour healing, NLP, light

therapy, psychic surgery ,earth energy, oxidation therapies ,ozone

therapies. Not to mention detoxing, colonics, enemas, crystal

healing, fume baths ,castor oil packs ,grape packs, Epsom salt

packs, herbs Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light

therapy, Colour therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers,

Magnetic devices, Electrical Frequency devices and so on .

And this is why by and large these things do not get recommended by

your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do

have overwhelming benefits, some which have saved needless

operations, needless amputations, needless pain and mental trauma,

needless kidney failures and much loss of life.

Point 4

Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, what does this mean, he

is very taxed with his time in the main perhaps seeing 20-40 people

per day. That means he may not have the time to do research, he

finds it very difficult to keep up with what is going on in the

main. He is told what to prescribe. He does not in may cases have

the time or energy often to look at research.

He may be very much frowned upon by some of his peers for

recommending anything other than the norm, some doctors of course

ignore those pressures. Many doctors have suffered from prescribing

other therapies than the norm. Many doctors in the USA for instance

have had to go to Mexico because of the work they were doing Dr

hulda clark is one example. Your doctor in the main will have had

very little training on nutrition a huge factor in health care, very

little knowledge on the principles of elimination and the benefits

of being internally clean. That is not to belittle them they simply

have not had the training, background of these two basic and vital

principles. Further I will say that if all you are being offered is

pills for depression you are being done a disservice there are a lot

of excellent therapies out there and while your doctor may not be

able to recommend them for reasons discussed he can mention them.

In the year 2004 approx. 5000 Beds in the UK alone are being taken

up by people who have had reactions to drugs.

Some will die others will be maimed. That is fact.

So Mr and Mrs to answer the question posed this is why are you

being recommended the healing route which is being offered to

you .Now I must say in fairness that some of these drugs do have a

positive effect. However that is not to say all drugs are bad. But

that does not mean there is something out there that is many times

more powerful and suitable.

Point 5

This is what we are calling for when the day comes when most of the

research and testing is done by an agency with no vested interests

attached and a clear agenda of being objective.

Printing their results good, bad or whatever. Perhaps there will

from this little book a group of people form and act as a pressure

group to force our governments to act for the interests of the

people. To fund research with researchers who are objective. Make no

mistake about it we are talking about billions of pounds being

jeopardised here or being spent in another direction and there is a

lot of people who would not like that to happen I assure you.

There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even

go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially

if it is going to affect their profits.

Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000

pounds each per year

Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it

out .

That is around 10 million pounds

Then an invention comes along and hey presto we can get them well in

just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid

Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are

you on jack? They may have invested millions, do you think they

would willingly let that go or let anyone oppose that.

Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of rife the

gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including

scientist of the year award twice.

Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with

frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic

signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter

by the use of some peoples voices.

These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or

this entire discovery included:

E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic),

Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae

Inoue (Japan), s Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany),

Niello Mori and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.),

T.J. Glover (Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines,

Fla.), Irene Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor

. and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics).

But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett

Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work.

Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank , president of the

Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours

before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that

Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study

supervised by the University of Southern California.

Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from

Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his

lab. Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal

dose of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank 's murder, threats,

other incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife

at a banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall,

Rife's chief research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical

School, received $200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a

bribe?

Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found

the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in

August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in

Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal

of Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and

animal tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the

discoveries of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian

Hospital Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International

Congress of Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of

a microbial cause for cancer.

When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers-

Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory

were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind-

the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of

Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer

industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause

of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly

thereafter. This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of

billions of dollars worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these

scum will not do for their god money? No

And it does not stop there Walsh head of the Edgar cayce

center in Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured

using the recommendations of Edgar cayce, osteopathic adjustments by

the way were done.

Naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so

that others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going

to deliver a talk telling people of how he did it. But just as he

was about to speak, he was stopped and the only reason says is

that the organizers realized that if this information got out it

could mean the end of their society.

Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of

microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a

greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food

cooked in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A

gag order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his

ground and fought the decision and the European court of Human

rights issued an order saying the gag order was contrary to the

right of Human expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay

compensation.

Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar

Cayce information, Spiritual healing and some information on the

Rife machine over the Internet on problems like MS, Parkinsons,

Galucoma, Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of

groups who had a site on the Internet were contacted including

support groups, hospitals etc. Major foundations and national

societies were contacted as well.

These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for

the treatment, support and research on M.S. The response from

thousands of contacts-only a few even replied with some interest

despite numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear

evidence which the meridian research institute was getting using the

Edgar cayce therapies.

The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is

located in Derby England, Edgar Cayce gave a couple of readings on

this problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including

letters to the chairman not one person came back to me.

I tried a few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the

Internet and only a very few were interested. The others did not

even reply.

Information from Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing,

and e mailing to many National associations and support groups again

with very little interest. Also tried was posting information on the

discussion forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye

hospital in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried

Cayce on Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even

tried writing and e mailing to Baker chairman of the

Parkinson's society in England, she did not even reply. National

organisations were contacted and support groups, the results only

about 5% showed any interest at all. Their reasons can only be

guessed at but when people make claims with clear mission statements

for the alleviation of suffering and don't even bother to enquire or

to look into promising information. I put it to you that these

organisations- a lot of charities are fraudulently obtaining money

from the public.

The conclusion: Clearly there are people out there that would do

anything to protect their interests.

Much apathy reigns as proven by the hundreds of charities and

support groups that were contacted.

Some people can be like this that is until the day comes to people

where illness happens to them, then perhaps there is much more

interest shown.

Now of course the UK government is fully aware of this situation but

has not shown any interest in changing the system. That failure

would have a truly awesome cost attached to it of such staggering

proportions of pain, suffering, and money it would run into

billions. To shine some hope on this situation. There is a group of

dedicated people Doctors, researchers etc that are trying to bring

to you much information and healing and some inroads are being made

with quite a few doctors referring some of their patients to other

therapists but these are few. One comment from a doctor for instance

when he had a patient for years and getting nowhere was sent to a

Reiki healer and within a very short time got better. But as he said

he dared not make this common knowledge for other members in the

practice would cause problems. So you see there is much to overcome,

progress is being hampered by lack of funds, government policy and

by some of these drug companies and a great deal of apathy.

Well those points covered and they will be a shock to many of you I

am sure.

p

[Guest guest]

---hi theresa

yes life is an education and so much now is information the power

with those who have it and those who dont .one must constantly dig i

find and as you say test ..

how is your own healing going ..

i think some of the causes follow whsat edgar cayce had to say on

disease ie a lot of problems come from

elimination and assimilation problems --toxins

nutrition

karmic problems

glands and misfunctioning

spiritual/psychological aspects

infectious forces

attitudes

we all are dealing with some of these problems in daily life .

best wishes

phil

[Guest guest]

I did not choose to copy your entire post as it was quite long, and

there were only specific points which so offended me, or which which

I so disagreed I felt it important to reply.

>> ---no i am being very charitable,and hopefully not too criticaland

> genuinly wish this person much support and feel very strongly she

> should not be in this position -well she should have information

> accesst o it that could help her .

> > i meet so many i mean hundreds that are so brainwashed by white

coat> syndrome that even when they see the facts the research which

> milli9ons of pounds and much work has gone into --they still do

> nothing --their perrogative ....

> So many of the hundreds of therapies which they see as having no

> profit potential do not get approved.

> These may include osteopathy, Reiki, spiritual healing, nutrition,

> EFT. Acupuncture, yoga, sound therapy, colour healing, NLP, light

> therapy, psychic surgery ,earth energy, oxidation therapies ,ozone

> therapies. Not to mention detoxing, colonics, enemas, crystal

> healing, fume baths ,castor oil packs ,grape packs, Epsom salt

> packs, herbs Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light

> therapy, Colour therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers,

> Magnetic devices, Electrical Frequency devices and so on .

I see an internist here in the states. He did have a former

patient (a doctor) who, with another person who was familiar with

eastern based healing systems did run a group every other week. It

was in her home, consisting of some light yoga,some group therapy --

she was a psychiatrist-- and a couple of other eastern based

practices. I was not able to join the group. It was quite reasonably

priced, and although she was willing to offer me a lower rate, I

was/am just too damn poor.

> > And this is why by and large these things do not get recommended

by> your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them

do> have overwhelming benefits, some which have saved needless

> operations, needless amputations, needless pain and mental trauma,

> needless kidney failures and much loss of life.

> > Point 4

> Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, what does this mean, he

> is very taxed with his time in the main perhaps seeing 20-40 people

> per day. That means he may not have the time to do research, he

> finds it very difficult to keep up with what is going on in the

> main. He is told what to prescribe. He does not in may cases have

> the time or energy often to look at research.

> He may be very much frowned upon by some of his peers for

> recommending anything other than the norm, some doctors of course

> ignore those pressures. Many doctors have suffered from prescribing

> other therapies than the norm.

I guess YOU know alot more about this than I do. I know that my

doctor's office fights with Medicare now tooth and nail as Medicare

has changed in how they categorize his treatments. I mean, an office

visit is one thing, but they see his particular medicine as another.

I have not heard yet of a single death threat, nor of him having any

intention of 'fleeing to Mexico.'

>Many doctors in the USA for instance

> have had to go to Mexico because of the work they were doing Dr

> hulda clark is one example. Your doctor in the main will have had

> very little training on nutrition a huge factor in health care, very

> little knowledge on the principles of elimination and the benefits

> of being internally clean. That is not to belittle them they simply

> have not had the training, background of these two basic and vital

> principles. Further I will say that if all you are being offered is

> pills for depression you are being done a disservice there are a lot

> of excellent therapies out there and while your doctor may not be

> able to recommend them for reasons discussed he can mention them.

Ok; the information above which I can look at as a generalized

statement about doctors and is something YOU ought to perhaps

reconsider, ok? Not ALL doctors are ignorant in all the things above

which you mention particularly nutrition, elimination and so on. One

of the nurses at his office IS a nutrionist aside from other things,

but he has covered the nutrition one with this illness semms to do

best with in his book. Oh; please do not assume anyone is getting

rich off me. NO ONE is. The rates which Medicare pays the physican

(if in fact you are fortunate enough to find someone who accepts it)

is really not very much and I do not think it has changed (the

amounts) in 15 years. (This might give you an idea of why people

might not wish to become doctors here in the states; this, the very

high prices of malpractice insurance, and the intricacies of the

insurance companies we have for people who are fortunate enough to be

employed with health insurance.)In fact, that entire system is SO

going to hell that many see the US as winding up with almost no

doctors if change is not brought about in the very near future.

I will not offer an opinion on Cayce; I remember reading all that

stuff long ago.For some reason my doctor' treatment has and is

helping me; far as I know no thanks to Edgar Cayce.

Jane