Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

[Guest guest]

LOL...you crack me up!

Laurie O

****Free the Children! Homeschool****

Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> >

> >

> > > Drop an object - what do you see?

> > > It moves towards the ground (or flies away like a feather).

> > > You do not need to believe in gravity in order to enjoy that.

> > > You do not need to believe in gravity to make it happening.

> > >

> > > And will you start moving out of the window of your house, if you do

> > > not believe in gravity? Even animals don't do that, isn't it?

> > >

> > > Why thinking about gravity at all?

> > >

> > > Of course, when you use gravity in your business, it is a nice

> > > concept. When talks about believing or thinking, she means the

> > > (often stressful) automatic thinking which may put you away from the

> > > happenings here and now and into a possibly uncomfortable story.

> > >

> > > Love

> > >

> > > Moritz

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

To Steve Daily,

I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are you real or an

illusion?

Laurie O.

****Free the Children! Homeschool****

[Guest guest]

.... what might be riddles for me, is clear for me? Who talks in riddles?

Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

>

>

> > Drop an object - what do you see?

> > It moves towards the ground (or flies away like a feather).

> > You do not need to believe in gravity in order to enjoy that.

> > You do not need to believe in gravity to make it happening.

> >

> > And will you start moving out of the window of your house, if you do

> > not believe in gravity? Even animals don't do that, isn't it?

> >

> > Why thinking about gravity at all?

> >

> > Of course, when you use gravity in your business, it is a nice

> > concept. When talks about believing or thinking, she means the

> > (often stressful) automatic thinking which may put you away from the

> > happenings here and now and into a possibly uncomfortable story.

> >

> > Love

> >

> > Moritz

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Laurie:

I believe that I fixed the email problem. Please try again.

Once, I thought " I am " but when I turned it around I found an " I am

not " and that felt more peaceful. You asked if I am an illusion. My

answer is no, I am not an illusion, I am you.

Steve D.

> To Steve Daily,

> I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

you real or an illusion?

> Laurie O.

> ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

this should stir up some trouble......steve...you are definately NOT me!

SteveDaily wrote:Dear Laurie:

I believe that I fixed the email problem. Please try again.

Once, I thought " I am " but when I turned it around I found an " I am

not " and that felt more peaceful. You asked if I am an illusion. My

answer is no, I am not an illusion, I am you.

Steve D.

> To Steve Daily,

> I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

you real or an illusion?

> Laurie O.

> ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Laurie:

Now, I am not so sure that I should have cleared up my email

problem. Why do you feel compelled to " stir up trouble " ? Is that

your basic nature or your way of having fun? In this illusion, you

are correct, we appear to be totally different people; however, in

reality, I believe that we are all One. Please be assured that I do

not require any one else to believe that.

Party On Dude, Steve D.

> > To Steve Daily,

> > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

> you real or an illusion?

> > Laurie O.

> > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I sincerely apologize to you dear man....yes, I was having fun with you and my

name is not Laurie, either....but that doesnt matter...and forgive me for my

mindless banter...

SteveDaily wrote:Dear Laurie:

Now, I am not so sure that I should have cleared up my email

problem. Why do you feel compelled to " stir up trouble " ? Is that

your basic nature or your way of having fun? In this illusion, you

are correct, we appear to be totally different people; however, in

reality, I believe that we are all One. Please be assured that I do

not require any one else to believe that.

Party On Dude, Steve D.

> > To Steve Daily,

> > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

> you real or an illusion?

> > Laurie O.

> > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

" Stirring up trouble " are your words and interpretation. My words are

simply that I really would like to know since you brought up the question.

It was a good question. If no one can answer, then what can I do? I have

to leave it alone and move to another moment.

Asking questions and discovering new answers is enjoyable for me. looking

at new concepts and ideas is enjoyable also. It's just what I do, it moves

in me and I follow. The last thing I have time for is to make trouble for

others, although some people have annoyed me enough that the idea of

stirring trouble is quite tempting, but I don't follow through.

I don't know what I " believe " since " belief " seems to set itself upon some

shakey ground. All I know is that I exist here and now and what moves me,

moves me and it may provoke good feelings and bad feelings and a host of

other human reactions in me.

Laurie O.

****Free the Children! Homeschool****

Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> Dear Laurie:

>

> Now, I am not so sure that I should have cleared up my email

> problem. Why do you feel compelled to " stir up trouble " ? Is that

> your basic nature or your way of having fun? In this illusion, you

> are correct, we appear to be totally different people; however, in

> reality, I believe that we are all One. Please be assured that I do

> not require any one else to believe that.

>

> Party On Dude, Steve D.

>

>

> > > To Steve Daily,

> > > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

> > you real or an illusion?

> > > Laurie O.

> > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey, I thought it was funny. I felt compelled to speak for myself when you

wrote this to her Steve. she and I are one and so are you and I and her, so

why are we even arguing about all this? I don't like these silly inner

arguments, so I have this to say to me and its other parts of me...all of

us, go in time out!

Laurie O.

****Free the Children! Homeschool****

Re: Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

>

> I sincerely apologize to you dear man....yes, I was having fun with you

and my name is not Laurie, either....but that doesnt matter...and forgive me

for my mindless banter...

>

> SteveDaily wrote:Dear Laurie:

>

> Now, I am not so sure that I should have cleared up my email

> problem. Why do you feel compelled to " stir up trouble " ? Is that

> your basic nature or your way of having fun? In this illusion, you

> are correct, we appear to be totally different people; however, in

> reality, I believe that we are all One. Please be assured that I do

> not require any one else to believe that.

>

> Party On Dude, Steve D.

>

>

> > > To Steve Daily,

> > > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

> > you real or an illusion?

> > > Laurie O.

> > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

thanks Laurie.....faith is renewed in my story that I shall continue to keep as

it amuses me greatly!

Laurie wrote:Hey, I thought it was funny. I felt

compelled to speak for myself when you

wrote this to her Steve. she and I are one and so are you and I and her, so

why are we even arguing about all this? I don't like these silly inner

arguments, so I have this to say to me and its other parts of me...all of

us, go in time out!

Laurie O.

****Free the Children! Homeschool****

Re: Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

>

> I sincerely apologize to you dear man....yes, I was having fun with you

and my name is not Laurie, either....but that doesnt matter...and forgive me

for my mindless banter...

>

> SteveDaily wrote:Dear Laurie:

>

> Now, I am not so sure that I should have cleared up my email

> problem. Why do you feel compelled to " stir up trouble " ? Is that

> your basic nature or your way of having fun? In this illusion, you

> are correct, we appear to be totally different people; however, in

> reality, I believe that we are all One. Please be assured that I do

> not require any one else to believe that.

>

> Party On Dude, Steve D.

>

>

> > > To Steve Daily,

> > > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable. Are

> > you real or an illusion?

> > > Laurie O.

> > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Whoever?

I believe that I have mistakenly addressed my response to the wrong

person. I was replying to the statement " this should stir up some

trouble......steve...you are definately NOT me! " If that was not

sent by you to me then I appologize. They are the words of whoever

sent them to me. Also, I do not know what question you are referring

to in your last post? If you are referring to saying " There is

no gravity " in the book, " Losing The Moon " , then my response is that

she also says that there is no world and that there never was and

never can be. That doesn't leave much room for gravity.

Regards, Steve D.

> > > > To Steve Daily,

> > > > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable.

Are

> > > you real or an illusion?

> > > > Laurie O.

> > > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, Steve...you were replying to Arlene or someone like that (sorry I

didn't get the name). I answered you anyway because it appeared you were

talking to me when you addressed the email problem. None of this disturbs

me in anyway. I just thought I'd lighten the mood with input when you two

started going at it in a different direction.

I am still interested in what says and why in her book howling at the

moon or whatever. I am not going to be satisfied with more elusive answers

that don't explain the literal words that you pointed out from her. I have

no choice but to accept them and move on if no one knows. I'm almost

thinking about writing your and my questions to her myself if no one knows

and you don't write her about it.

Does anyone really know? Maybe they are all out of town?

This wouldn't be the first time 's made absolutely no sense to me.

Discovering her answers at times has been a lesson in futility. So much for

being " awakened " . Regardless, I'm here, just being me in this illusion,

which I so fondly and sometimes frustratingly call " reality " in the 3rd

dimension.

Laurie O.

****Free the Children! Homeschool****

Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> Dear Whoever?

>

> I believe that I have mistakenly addressed my response to the wrong

> person. I was replying to the statement " this should stir up some

> trouble......steve...you are definately NOT me! " If that was not

> sent by you to me then I appologize. They are the words of whoever

> sent them to me. Also, I do not know what question you are referring

> to in your last post? If you are referring to saying " There is

> no gravity " in the book, " Losing The Moon " , then my response is that

> she also says that there is no world and that there never was and

> never can be. That doesn't leave much room for gravity.

> Regards, Steve D.

>

>

>

> > > > > To Steve Daily,

> > > > > I tried to reply to you but your address was undeliverable.

> Are

> > > > you real or an illusion?

> > > > > Laurie O.

> > > > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie:

's answers are not intended to be elusive. They are meant to be

as straight forward and honest as possible. They do not always make

sense to me either at first. When that happens, rather than wracking

my brain trying to figue out what she meant, I set the information

aside until a later time and the understanding usually comes to me

when I am not trying to understand it. If youasked her, she probably

would say something like, " Sweetheart, it makes no difference what I

say, it only matters what is true for you, so ask yourself. Laurie

is a teacher you can trust. "

What is important is that you have a good time being you in this

reality. Here's hoping you do.

Regards, Steve

> > > > > > To Steve Daily,

> > > > > > I tried to reply to you but your address was

undeliverable.

> > Are

> > > > > you real or an illusion?

> > > > > > Laurie O.

> > > > > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Thanks for the commentary. Is any of it true? Do I have resistance to any

thoughts about gravity or do you?

The question has been withdrawn from the site ... it seemed a simple question

.... and I've listened to your interpretation of 's work.

Bob

RE: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> Simply wondering if anyone knows 's 'INTENT'.

---No one knows anyone's " intent " , even the person intending it. All we

can do is base what we think we know on how we thought we saw it at the

time. The " idea " of " The Work " exists in each and every one of us in

it's own way, according to our understanding at the time. The thing that

runs through the thread of " The Work " is a concept, and that concept is

a method of examining everything we believed to be true, questioning it,

inquiring about it. Gravity is a concept that for most seems to be a " no

brainer " . It's a question of observation. We observe an event, and then

attach an abstraction to it, a word. We do this with everything that

happens in our life. But you take that word " gravity " and investigate

how it appears in everyone's life, what it's called, what words and

ideas describe it, and what you discover is a diversity of " events "

trailing after something we " think " we understand. I can't send you

" gravity " in a package.

---'s " intent " in posing this question about something we " think "

we know, probably follows the flavor of what " The Work " produces on this

list every day. People observe " Life " and are certain what they see is

true, it must be true...there it is. But what they don't realize is that

it happens, and then gets ground up in a trillion interpreters in the

brain, and what happens in our minds is a facsimile of what we saw,

interpreted and " guessed at " as to its meaning.

---Does a " life experience " cause you pain? Maybe it's because you're

arguing with it? You understand its meaning and intent better than the

thing expressing itself in your life. asks us to question that.

She says time and again, " Step back and inquire after the accuracy of

what you think you see. " Is there gravity? Can you hold it in your hand

or wheel it in a wheel barrow? No...you can only witness its effect.

Gravity itself is the aftermath of something happening, that we button

hole in our closet of words with the idea that " I saw it, then it must

be true " .

--- could address this question herself. But I think it would be

with more questions, because that's the idea that seems to operate

behind the energy that is " The Work " . The other thing to notice is how

hard your mind resists the idea that there may be a question about what

gravity is. You may have the same resistance to other issues in your

life...after all, didn't you observe and experience them? The you should

know what they mean or where they come from. But do you? Do you know

their entire story, are they so solidity situated in your reality you

feel they are beyond question? What rises up when you challenge the

status quo inside and out, and defends it without ever considering the

idea that nothing is beyond " The Work " ? I don't now if any of this is

what she meant, I don't care. She's not here in this world to hold my

hand and justify everything she says to me. It's up to me to find my own

truths and create my own understanding, in ways that take me down the

path to freedom. Obviously that's not true for everyone, but happily for

me...that's not my business.

[Guest guest]

Hello Laurie,

Thanks for your information ... it's appreciated!

One of the lessons I learned about 15 years ago took me some time to 'get' and I

pondered the question over a period of years.

I would get invited to some occasion .... say 'no' to the invitation and then be

met with a 'story' about why I 'should' attend the party.

Through investigation into myself I became aware that I wasn't being responsible

for the entire communication. So I began an experiment when someone was

presenting an invitation.

I would first ask if this was an invitation.

The person usually responded with yes.

I would then ask if there was room in that invitation for a 'no'.

And usually I was met with 'yes'.

At which point I would say 'no' (most of the time).

And afterwards there was 'no story'. The invitation was simply dropped.

Now I don't know what does all the time since I've never been with her.

What I have noticed in the tapes is that she 'invites' people to DO THE WORK.

Some of the responses lacked the generosity of an 'Invitation' and the group

might gain something from this commentary as far as having others DO THE WORK.

Again ... all the commentary has been appreciated!

Bob

Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> Dear Laurie:

>

> Good idea, " leaving it alone " . How about doing the work on " I need

> to be feel comforted. " Just a thought. I think I will turn that

> suggestion around, I believe it could show me some

> interesting " stuff " .

> Best Regards, Steve D.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > To Steve Daily,

> > > > > > > > > I tried to reply to you but your address was

> > > undeliverable.

> > > > > Are

> > > > > > > > you real or an illusion?

> > > > > > > > > Laurie O.

> > > > > > > > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I'm really not responding to the gravity conversation since I'm complete with

it.

My question to you is have you ever considered the possibility that everthing

you've written is false? Have you ever simply come to a state of I DON'T KNOW

.... as a place to inquire from 'newly'.

I have and know that to come from this moment is refreshing.

I'm not struggling ... not intending to be enlightened ... simply asking

questions and clarifying them.

I've posted a new conversation the site and it's intended to go beyond the

gravity conversation.

Your comments are certainly appreciated ... although not applicable to where I'm

coming from.

RE: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> Simply wondering if anyone knows 's 'INTENT'.

---No one knows anyone's " intent " , even the person intending it. All we

can do is base what we think we know on how we thought we saw it at the

time. The " idea " of " The Work " exists in each and every one of us in

it's own way, according to our understanding at the time. The thing that

runs through the thread of " The Work " is a concept, and that concept is

a method of examining everything we believed to be true, questioning it,

inquiring about it. Gravity is a concept that for most seems to be a " no

brainer " . It's a question of observation. We observe an event, and then

attach an abstraction to it, a word. We do this with everything that

happens in our life. But you take that word " gravity " and investigate

how it appears in everyone's life, what it's called, what words and

ideas describe it, and what you discover is a diversity of " events "

trailing after something we " think " we understand. I can't send you

" gravity " in a package.

---'s " intent " in posing this question about something we " think "

we know, probably follows the flavor of what " The Work " produces on this

list every day. People observe " Life " and are certain what they see is

true, it must be true...there it is. But what they don't realize is that

it happens, and then gets ground up in a trillion interpreters in the

brain, and what happens in our minds is a facsimile of what we saw,

interpreted and " guessed at " as to its meaning.

---Does a " life experience " cause you pain? Maybe it's because you're

arguing with it? You understand its meaning and intent better than the

thing expressing itself in your life. asks us to question that.

She says time and again, " Step back and inquire after the accuracy of

what you think you see. " Is there gravity? Can you hold it in your hand

or wheel it in a wheel barrow? No...you can only witness its effect.

Gravity itself is the aftermath of something happening, that we button

hole in our closet of words with the idea that " I saw it, then it must

be true " .

--- could address this question herself. But I think it would be

with more questions, because that's the idea that seems to operate

behind the energy that is " The Work " . The other thing to notice is how

hard your mind resists the idea that there may be a question about what

gravity is. You may have the same resistance to other issues in your

life...after all, didn't you observe and experience them? The you should

know what they mean or where they come from. But do you? Do you know

their entire story, are they so solidity situated in your reality you

feel they are beyond question? What rises up when you challenge the

status quo inside and out, and defends it without ever considering the

idea that nothing is beyond " The Work " ? I don't now if any of this is

what she meant, I don't care. She's not here in this world to hold my

hand and justify everything she says to me. It's up to me to find my own

truths and create my own understanding, in ways that take me down the

path to freedom. Obviously that's not true for everyone, but happily for

me...that's not my business.

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

Your response 'recreates' where I was coming from and at this point there's no

interest in writing or speaking with and that could change. At least I'm

aware of the interpretations that some of the group has created about 's

words ... and at another time I might write .

I'm a person who appreciates 'velocity' in communications and you've 'presenced'

it for me.

Thank you for the clarity and the information once again.

Bob

Re: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

> Dear Laurie:

>

> Good idea, " leaving it alone " . How about doing the work on " I need

> to be feel comforted. " Just a thought. I think I will turn that

> suggestion around, I believe it could show me some

> interesting " stuff " .

> Best Regards, Steve D.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > To Steve Daily,

> > > > > > > > > I tried to reply to you but your address was

> > > undeliverable.

> > > > > Are

> > > > > > > > you real or an illusion?

> > > > > > > > > Laurie O.

> > > > > > > > > ****Free the Children! Homeschool****

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Jim,

What's not perfect about what's been happening?

I've got no clue about 'truth' ... it's simply a word for me.

In this moment there's just some words being typed and that's it.

Your commentary has been perfect!

Bob

RE: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

Jim,

I'm really not responding to the gravity conversation since I'm complete

with it.

My question to you is have you ever considered the possibility that

everthing you've written is false? Have you ever simply come to a state

of I DON'T KNOW ... as a place to inquire from 'newly'.

---Sure I have. It doesn't hurt either. In fact I think to get to that

place, is to finely have the essence of what knowledge must be. So I

revel in " not knowing " . How does it feel when you sit with that idea?

I have and know that to come from this moment is refreshing.

---I think I know what you mean. I can find that in myself too.

I'm not struggling ... not intending to be enlightened ... simply asking

questions and clarifying them.

---I believe I understood that when I responded to you. I actually

wasn't focused on your state, worried about any confusion I may have

perceived nor was I interested in being your guru, I was trying to share

with you my thoughts about your question, which I'm convinced I was

successful at as you confirm more than once. Enlightenment is your

business, not mine. I think that's the way it works. I'm Ok with that.

How does that feel to you when you sit with that idea for a while? Can

you find it too?

I've posted a new conversation the site and it's intended to go beyond

the gravity conversation.

---Interesting...I'll look forward to following that thread too.

Your comments are certainly appreciated ... although not applicable to

where I'm coming from.

---Sad to say " where you're coming from " concerning that question will

always be a mystery to me. But I'm Ok with that too. Had it been

important I think it might have been argued and explored better. But it

wasn't. That happens. On to the next thing.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Laurie,

Your 'rigor' is appreciated!

Bob

RE: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

>

> Jim,

>

> I'm really not responding to the gravity conversation since I'm complete

> with it.

>

> My question to you is have you ever considered the possibility that

> everthing you've written is false? Have you ever simply come to a state

> of I DON'T KNOW ... as a place to inquire from 'newly'.

>

> ---Sure I have. It doesn't hurt either. In fact I think to get to that

> place, is to finely have the essence of what knowledge must be. So I

> revel in " not knowing " . How does it feel when you sit with that idea?

>

> I have and know that to come from this moment is refreshing.

>

> ---I think I know what you mean. I can find that in myself too.

>

> I'm not struggling ... not intending to be enlightened ... simply asking

> questions and clarifying them.

>

> ---I believe I understood that when I responded to you. I actually

> wasn't focused on your state, worried about any confusion I may have

> perceived nor was I interested in being your guru, I was trying to share

> with you my thoughts about your question, which I'm convinced I was

> successful at as you confirm more than once. Enlightenment is your

> business, not mine. I think that's the way it works. I'm Ok with that.

> How does that feel to you when you sit with that idea for a while? Can

> you find it too?

>

> I've posted a new conversation the site and it's intended to go beyond

> the gravity conversation.

>

> ---Interesting...I'll look forward to following that thread too.

>

> Your comments are certainly appreciated ... although not applicable to

> where I'm coming from.

>

> ---Sad to say " where you're coming from " concerning that question will

> always be a mystery to me. But I'm Ok with that too. Had it been

> important I think it might have been argued and explored better. But it

> wasn't. That happens. On to the next thing.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Thanks for the commentary. Is any of it true?

---I asked you first.

Do I have resistance to any thoughts about gravity or do you?

---I can find that I do...can you?

The question has been withdrawn from the site ... it seemed a simple

question ... and I've listened to your interpretation of 's work.

---I'm glad you " listened to my interpretation of 's work " . And I'm

glad you listened to all the other interpretations too. I like it when

things get challenged and " exercised " like that. Now with your

interpretation of all that soundly in place...let me invite you to " do

the work " on your own inquiries, and of course...you do that or you can

say " no " , and that's " what is " . I'm Ok with that. Otherwise it's my

feeling that we play " guess what I'm thinking " , something I'm not

interested in unless it culminates in an exchange not a diversion, and

could be why the topic was dropped in the first place because others

find it uninteresting too...even you see it that way now it seems. There

may have been something to the question yesterday, but it seems

thoroughly lost now. And that's Ok, topics come and go like that. I

could be wrong...but I don't care. Like you...I'm on to something else.

Do you have anything new to talk about today? I look forward to the next

round...the inevitability of the lists' new focus until something else

comes up, and that's sort of how it goes around here.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I'm really not responding to the gravity conversation since I'm complete

with it.

My question to you is have you ever considered the possibility that

everthing you've written is false? Have you ever simply come to a state

of I DON'T KNOW ... as a place to inquire from 'newly'.

---Sure I have. It doesn't hurt either. In fact I think to get to that

place, is to finely have the essence of what knowledge must be. So I

revel in " not knowing " . How does it feel when you sit with that idea?

I have and know that to come from this moment is refreshing.

---I think I know what you mean. I can find that in myself too.

I'm not struggling ... not intending to be enlightened ... simply asking

questions and clarifying them.

---I believe I understood that when I responded to you. I actually

wasn't focused on your state, worried about any confusion I may have

perceived nor was I interested in being your guru, I was trying to share

with you my thoughts about your question, which I'm convinced I was

successful at as you confirm more than once. Enlightenment is your

business, not mine. I think that's the way it works. I'm Ok with that.

How does that feel to you when you sit with that idea for a while? Can

you find it too?

I've posted a new conversation the site and it's intended to go beyond

the gravity conversation.

---Interesting...I'll look forward to following that thread too.

Your comments are certainly appreciated ... although not applicable to

where I'm coming from.

---Sad to say " where you're coming from " concerning that question will

always be a mystery to me. But I'm Ok with that too. Had it been

important I think it might have been argued and explored better. But it

wasn't. That happens. On to the next thing.

[Guest guest]

I just want to let everyone know that I've enjoyed the posts and talk about

gravity/the work. some of you did bring out some very insightful and

thought provoking questions in the process and I'm grateful for that. I

like this group just as it is. My irritation through it all is just mine.

Furthermore, I plan on emailing about the quotes from the book posted

earlier from Bob and see what she has to say. Then I'll drop the subject in

me if it doesn't provoke more thoughts and questions from me. Bob, I'll

forward you the response email since you were interested and brought it up.

Do with it what you will.

Still here.

Laurie O.

RE: Is it true that there's 'no gravity'?

>

> Jim,

>

> I'm really not responding to the gravity conversation since I'm complete

> with it.

>

> My question to you is have you ever considered the possibility that

> everthing you've written is false? Have you ever simply come to a state

> of I DON'T KNOW ... as a place to inquire from 'newly'.

>

> ---Sure I have. It doesn't hurt either. In fact I think to get to that

> place, is to finely have the essence of what knowledge must be. So I

> revel in " not knowing " . How does it feel when you sit with that idea?

>

> I have and know that to come from this moment is refreshing.

>

> ---I think I know what you mean. I can find that in myself too.

>

> I'm not struggling ... not intending to be enlightened ... simply asking

> questions and clarifying them.

>

> ---I believe I understood that when I responded to you. I actually

> wasn't focused on your state, worried about any confusion I may have

> perceived nor was I interested in being your guru, I was trying to share

> with you my thoughts about your question, which I'm convinced I was

> successful at as you confirm more than once. Enlightenment is your

> business, not mine. I think that's the way it works. I'm Ok with that.

> How does that feel to you when you sit with that idea for a while? Can

> you find it too?

>

> I've posted a new conversation the site and it's intended to go beyond

> the gravity conversation.

>

> ---Interesting...I'll look forward to following that thread too.

>

> Your comments are certainly appreciated ... although not applicable to

> where I'm coming from.

>

> ---Sad to say " where you're coming from " concerning that question will

> always be a mystery to me. But I'm Ok with that too. Had it been

> important I think it might have been argued and explored better. But it

> wasn't. That happens. On to the next thing.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

There was no reason to continue or discontinue to dialogue about

gravity from over here. It seemed as though there were enough people

who were not interested in 'recreating' the question and expanding

upon the inquiry.

The conversation is so far gone out of my experience that I don't

even know why I asked it at that time ... other than it came from a

background of I DON'T KNOW what she's intending for me to get here.

Out of my interest in 'hearing' what is saying I simply asked

the question.

And then there were many assumptions about the questioner ... and not

many aimed at the question. Before you ask ... Is it True? I think

I've stated it several times that maybe I know what's true and then

maybe I don't ... especially when I'm present. Maybe there's no

judgement about true or false over here ... so to be perfectly frank

with you ... I DON'T KNOW what you mean when you're asking me if I

know the truth. Truth is a word and in that regard I don't see that

I'm not acknowledging or working within the framework of 's

process.

It just might be that after years of inquiry it's not a requirement

for me to get into the meaning of words. Yet I've also stated that

if we're to communicate, then words will do at least for now.

My intent was stated ... restated ... and stated again and again

without any deviation or accusation towards anyone who suggested that

I was lost in a struggle.

Maybe ... just maybe ... there is an intention here to communicate

clearly and concisely ... and it hasn't happened for some of you. It

is not my intent to be misleading.

I'm not saying that you're angry or frustrated; and, it's a

possibility based on your choice of words.

If you've created the interpretation that I'm lost and I'm not saying

that you have ... then what would you have me do to show you that

I've posted the message .... removed it .... and as stated have a

willingness to continue with the dialogue if I saw that it would

contribute to the group.

If you're interested in beginning a new conversation on any subject

then I'm here and not going anywhere ... at least intentionally.

Most of all ... everything you've said from this perspective is

perfect ... doesn't require any further clarification ... and if your

preference is to delve into a subject matter please proceed.

Regards,

Bob

> Jim,

>

> Thanks for the commentary. Is any of it true? Do I have

resistance to any thoughts about gravity or do you?

>

> The question has been withdrawn from the site ... it seemed a

simple question ... and I've listened to your interpretation of

's work.

>

>

>

> Bob

> RE: Is it true that there's 'no

gravity'?

>

>

> > Simply wondering if anyone knows 's 'INTENT'.

>

>

> ---No one knows anyone's " intent " , even the person intending it.

All we

> can do is base what we think we know on how we thought we saw it

at the

> time. The " idea " of " The Work " exists in each and every one of us

in

> it's own way, according to our understanding at the time. The

thing that

> runs through the thread of " The Work " is a concept, and that

concept is

> a method of examining everything we believed to be true,

questioning it,

> inquiring about it. Gravity is a concept that for most seems to

be a " no

> brainer " . It's a question of observation. We observe an event,

and then

> attach an abstraction to it, a word. We do this with everything

that

> happens in our life. But you take that word " gravity " and

investigate

> how it appears in everyone's life, what it's called, what words

and

> ideas describe it, and what you discover is a diversity

of " events "

> trailing after something we " think " we understand. I can't send

you

> " gravity " in a package.

>

> ---'s " intent " in posing this question about something

we " think "

> we know, probably follows the flavor of what " The Work " produces

on this

> list every day. People observe " Life " and are certain what they

see is

> true, it must be true...there it is. But what they don't realize

is that

> it happens, and then gets ground up in a trillion interpreters in

the

> brain, and what happens in our minds is a facsimile of what we

saw,

> interpreted and " guessed at " as to its meaning.

>

> ---Does a " life experience " cause you pain? Maybe it's because

you're

> arguing with it? You understand its meaning and intent better

than the

> thing expressing itself in your life. asks us to question

that.

> She says time and again, " Step back and inquire after the

accuracy of

> what you think you see. " Is there gravity? Can you hold it in

your hand

> or wheel it in a wheel barrow? No...you can only witness its

effect.

> Gravity itself is the aftermath of something happening, that we

button

> hole in our closet of words with the idea that " I saw it, then it

must

> be true " .

>

> --- could address this question herself. But I think it

would be

> with more questions, because that's the idea that seems to operate

> behind the energy that is " The Work " . The other thing to notice

is how

> hard your mind resists the idea that there may be a question

about what

> gravity is. You may have the same resistance to other issues in

your

> life...after all, didn't you observe and experience them? The you

should

> know what they mean or where they come from. But do you? Do you

know

> their entire story, are they so solidity situated in your reality

you

> feel they are beyond question? What rises up when you challenge

the

> status quo inside and out, and defends it without ever

considering the

> idea that nothing is beyond " The Work " ? I don't now if any of

this is

> what she meant, I don't care. She's not here in this world to

hold my

> hand and justify everything she says to me. It's up to me to find

my own

> truths and create my own understanding, in ways that take me down

the

> path to freedom. Obviously that's not true for everyone, but

happily for

> me...that's not my business.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---We're done with this one.

Jim,

There was no reason to continue or discontinue to dialogue about

gravity from over here. It seemed as though there were enough people

who were not interested in 'recreating' the question and expanding

upon the inquiry.

The conversation is so far gone out of my experience that I don't

even know why I asked it at that time ... other than it came from a

background of I DON'T KNOW what she's intending for me to get here.

Out of my interest in 'hearing' what is saying I simply asked

the question.

And then there were many assumptions about the questioner ... and not

many aimed at the question. Before you ask ... Is it True? I think

I've stated it several times that maybe I know what's true and then

maybe I don't ... especially when I'm present. Maybe there's no

judgement about true or false over here ... so to be perfectly frank

with you ... I DON'T KNOW what you mean when you're asking me if I

know the truth. Truth is a word and in that regard I don't see that

I'm not acknowledging or working within the framework of 's

process.

It just might be that after years of inquiry it's not a requirement

for me to get into the meaning of words. Yet I've also stated that

if we're to communicate, then words will do at least for now.

My intent was stated ... restated ... and stated again and again

without any deviation or accusation towards anyone who suggested that

I was lost in a struggle.

Maybe ... just maybe ... there is an intention here to communicate

clearly and concisely ... and it hasn't happened for some of you. It

is not my intent to be misleading.

I'm not saying that you're angry or frustrated; and, it's a

possibility based on your choice of words.

If you've created the interpretation that I'm lost and I'm not saying

that you have ... then what would you have me do to show you that

I've posted the message .... removed it .... and as stated have a

willingness to continue with the dialogue if I saw that it would

contribute to the group.

If you're interested in beginning a new conversation on any subject

then I'm here and not going anywhere ... at least intentionally.

Most of all ... everything you've said from this perspective is

perfect ... doesn't require any further clarification ... and if your

preference is to delve into a subject matter please proceed.

Regards,

Bob

> Jim,

>

> Thanks for the commentary. Is any of it true? Do I have

resistance to any thoughts about gravity or do you?

>

> The question has been withdrawn from the site ... it seemed a

simple question ... and I've listened to your interpretation of

's work.

>

>

>

> Bob

> RE: Is it true that there's 'no

gravity'?

>

>

> > Simply wondering if anyone knows 's 'INTENT'.

>

>

> ---No one knows anyone's " intent " , even the person intending it.

All we

> can do is base what we think we know on how we thought we saw it

at the

> time. The " idea " of " The Work " exists in each and every one of us

in

> it's own way, according to our understanding at the time. The

thing that

> runs through the thread of " The Work " is a concept, and that

concept is

> a method of examining everything we believed to be true,

questioning it,

> inquiring about it. Gravity is a concept that for most seems to

be a " no

> brainer " . It's a question of observation. We observe an event,

and then

> attach an abstraction to it, a word. We do this with everything

that

> happens in our life. But you take that word " gravity " and

investigate

> how it appears in everyone's life, what it's called, what words

and

> ideas describe it, and what you discover is a diversity

of " events "

> trailing after something we " think " we understand. I can't send

you

> " gravity " in a package.

>

> ---'s " intent " in posing this question about something

we " think "

> we know, probably follows the flavor of what " The Work " produces

on this

> list every day. People observe " Life " and are certain what they

see is

> true, it must be true...there it is. But what they don't realize

is that

> it happens, and then gets ground up in a trillion interpreters in

the

> brain, and what happens in our minds is a facsimile of what we

saw,

> interpreted and " guessed at " as to its meaning.

>

> ---Does a " life experience " cause you pain? Maybe it's because

you're

> arguing with it? You understand its meaning and intent better

than the

> thing expressing itself in your life. asks us to question

that.

> She says time and again, " Step back and inquire after the

accuracy of

> what you think you see. " Is there gravity? Can you hold it in

your hand

> or wheel it in a wheel barrow? No...you can only witness its

effect.

> Gravity itself is the aftermath of something happening, that we

button

> hole in our closet of words with the idea that " I saw it, then it

must

> be true " .

>

> --- could address this question herself. But I think it

would be

> with more questions, because that's the idea that seems to operate

> behind the energy that is " The Work " . The other thing to notice

is how

> hard your mind resists the idea that there may be a question

about what

> gravity is. You may have the same resistance to other issues in

your

> life...after all, didn't you observe and experience them? The you

should

> know what they mean or where they come from. But do you? Do you

know

> their entire story, are they so solidity situated in your reality

you

> feel they are beyond question? What rises up when you challenge

the

> status quo inside and out, and defends it without ever

considering the

> idea that nothing is beyond " The Work " ? I don't now if any of

this is

> what she meant, I don't care. She's not here in this world to

hold my

> hand and justify everything she says to me. It's up to me to find

my own

> truths and create my own understanding, in ways that take me down

the

> path to freedom. Obviously that's not true for everyone, but

happily for

> me...that's not my business.

>

>

>

>

>

>