Re: Re: Asthma and Humidity

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I am not diagnosing the rest of you. I am stating what I believe is important in helping asthma . It may not help you as much as it helps me but it doesn't seem too far to perclude ounces of this black soot is good for anyone. The most important part in this is I am not diagnosing individual cases cause I realize people are different. I am suggesting many people who think asthma is this illness that is directly associated with something that is wrong in them or because of one trigger might not be true. True ,triggers are important to look for but if your trigger is not known because its simply not in the mix or list of causes, or if you don't know how well you might do when you compare the amounts of pollution in any given area then this might help someone. id what to do better . If you tell me that the majority of people have compared the air ratings to their reaction to asthma , I would say I don't believe it. More and more people are using the website but one of the

reasons is I have been promoting it. Now if the cause I have given wasn't true, then obviously the connections I gave that verify the associations would be false also. The bottom line is , anything that increases asthma is bad, and when I say that people often underestimate the importance of pollutants or know exactly where to look for it, I think its accurate. queezles wrote: It's good you've tuned in to what sets off your asthma, but don't presume to diagnose the

rest of us. I'm not saying pollution is good, but sometimes it's not the point: I personally am better off downtown in any major city than out in the countryside: I don't have a particular problem with industrial pollution, but hay, pollen, animals and such all set me off. For me, strolling through the middle of Chicago is fun, while a hike through flowered meadows requires serious medication.Asthma triggers are rather individual. Some people like humid air and swear by humidifiers; others do better with drier air, maybe because it doesn't harbor many mold spores. Some people have a problem with cold air; some don't seem to be bothered about it. I don't think a diatribe on "pollution is bad" advances us much.> My name is and like many of you, I am an asthmatic. I have > been under the care of both my regular care physican and my pulmo for > years now, yet my asthma seems to stay around status quo (it's a > stubborn critter). I have tried Advair and went off it because of > side effects. I am

currently on Qvar80, with Albuteral as a back-> up. > > I have kept an asthma journal which now is quite lengthly. When I > started the journal, the doctor and I were concerned with finding the > trigger to the beast, so I focused on weather and pollen conditions > that happened at the time of the attack along with location and my > activity. Over the years this diary has shown that my asthma favors > humidity -- a matter of fact, it turns into kitten in humidity and > pitches a fit if the humidity drops below 30%. (The lower the > humidity the bigger the fit. Just loves those negative humidity > days). > > I grew up in Northern NY, the child of two heavy smokers (I use to > joke in February that if we left the front door open too long someone > would call the fire department as all the smoke billowed out). My > brother is perfectly fine -- no

asthma problems, but he remained in > the New England area. I was first diagnosed by chance when I was > around 18 and went to the local doctor instead of my regular doctor > for an allergy prescription refill - apparently I was asthmatic that > day and didn't know it. The symptoms the local doctor and I > discussed, where the same symptoms I been concerned with for years in > discussions with my regular doctor, who gave me an inhaler but never > really explained why. While I was in NY, I really had no problems > with my asthma. I had an inhaler, I thought I knew where it was.> > My problems started when I moved to Phoenix (yes, yes, I know, an > emerging asthma capital). Since moving here I have acquired; two > doctors, a nebulizer, Qvar80 and I can tell you where all 5 of my > inhalers are (all in different locations - purses, bookbags, cars, > medicine

cabinet), a humidifier and my asthma diary. Whenever I > leave here, my asthma calms down and reminds me of the way things use > to be.> > Has anyone else had such an experience? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________>

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I am not diagnosing the rest of you. I am stating what I believe is important in helping asthma . It may not help you as much as it helps me but it doesn't seem too far to perclude ounces of this black soot is good for anyone. The most important part in this is I am not diagnosing individual cases cause I realize people are different. I am suggesting many people who think asthma is this illness that is directly associated with something that is wrong in them or because of one trigger might not be true. True ,triggers are important to look for but if your trigger is not known because its simply not in the mix or list of causes, or if you don't know how well you might do when you compare the amounts of pollution in any given area then this might help someone. id what to do better . If you tell me that the majority of people have compared the air ratings to their reaction to asthma , I would say I don't believe it. More and more people are using the website but one of the

reasons is I have been promoting it. Now if the cause I have given wasn't true, then obviously the connections I gave that verify the associations would be false also. The bottom line is , anything that increases asthma is bad, and when I say that people often underestimate the importance of pollutants or know exactly where to look for it, I think its accurate. queezles wrote: It's good you've tuned in to what sets off your asthma, but don't presume to diagnose the

rest of us. I'm not saying pollution is good, but sometimes it's not the point: I personally am better off downtown in any major city than out in the countryside: I don't have a particular problem with industrial pollution, but hay, pollen, animals and such all set me off. For me, strolling through the middle of Chicago is fun, while a hike through flowered meadows requires serious medication.Asthma triggers are rather individual. Some people like humid air and swear by humidifiers; others do better with drier air, maybe because it doesn't harbor many mold spores. Some people have a problem with cold air; some don't seem to be bothered about it. I don't think a diatribe on "pollution is bad" advances us much.> My name is and like many of you, I am an asthmatic. I have > been under the care of both my regular care physican and my pulmo for > years now, yet my asthma seems to stay around status quo (it's a > stubborn critter). I have tried Advair and went off it because of > side effects. I am

currently on Qvar80, with Albuteral as a back-> up. > > I have kept an asthma journal which now is quite lengthly. When I > started the journal, the doctor and I were concerned with finding the > trigger to the beast, so I focused on weather and pollen conditions > that happened at the time of the attack along with location and my > activity. Over the years this diary has shown that my asthma favors > humidity -- a matter of fact, it turns into kitten in humidity and > pitches a fit if the humidity drops below 30%. (The lower the > humidity the bigger the fit. Just loves those negative humidity > days). > > I grew up in Northern NY, the child of two heavy smokers (I use to > joke in February that if we left the front door open too long someone > would call the fire department as all the smoke billowed out). My > brother is perfectly fine -- no

asthma problems, but he remained in > the New England area. I was first diagnosed by chance when I was > around 18 and went to the local doctor instead of my regular doctor > for an allergy prescription refill - apparently I was asthmatic that > day and didn't know it. The symptoms the local doctor and I > discussed, where the same symptoms I been concerned with for years in > discussions with my regular doctor, who gave me an inhaler but never > really explained why. While I was in NY, I really had no problems > with my asthma. I had an inhaler, I thought I knew where it was.> > My problems started when I moved to Phoenix (yes, yes, I know, an > emerging asthma capital). Since moving here I have acquired; two > doctors, a nebulizer, Qvar80 and I can tell you where all 5 of my > inhalers are (all in different locations - purses, bookbags, cars, > medicine

cabinet), a humidifier and my asthma diary. Whenever I > leave here, my asthma calms down and reminds me of the way things use > to be.> > Has anyone else had such an experience? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________>

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some people want it that way. This is true but unless good people try to change perceptions the status quo will prevail. People believe what they are told from what they watch on the news too often or on tv and no other options in their mind exist. Some don't want to know about that which they can't change. or think they can't change. I think the new discussions will eventualy be about learning to identify triggers and polluted areas and how to get policies to care about clean air or get politicians to care more and to acertain what the past policies have done to people . jaime_0609 wrote: 's comment was "Most of us here know about the stuff you're talking about." Here, I believe you are preaching to the chior. I think you are wanting to educate Q. Public, who I agree, some are oblivious, and one thing I have learned about people is, sometimes they prefer it that way. We don't have a moderator here. Most of us try to ignore Sue because saying anything to her doesn't help. > Mark, what you said was not nice. I am NOT into myself, I am expressing fact and opinion. If you don't want to talk to me after this, fine. If you legitimately have asthma

and want to discuss that, ok, otherwise leave us alone with your website about something most of us may not be able to afford and such. Most of us here know about the stuff you're talking about. We don't need a lecture on global warming and increasing asthma. Air quality is very important for most of us. I know when we have an ozone action day here, I have to stay indoors or wear a mask when I go outside. I'd say most of us keep up with pollen counts and ozone alerts. Most of us can't afford to move to get away from the junk in the air. I wish. I don't have the money either to get into all these fancy air filters and such things. I don't have a central heating/air system at my house (we rent) and can't afford nor want air purifiers because most of them emit ozone which also triggers my asthma. So, we> have to learn to deal with what we have and where we are. That's why we all are here.> , I too have

good days and bad days, depending on the pollen counts, humidity, and weather. I've had a couple of bad days because the humidity and pollen have been higher. I honestly don't know why some people do better in one place over another. I'm allergic/sensitive to some things here in Northeast Tennessee that may not grow in other places but I can't afford to move to get away from the things that trigger me. So, in short, you may have to learn to live with some of the things there that are bothering you. Do use filters if you have central heat/air, clean your house regularly, and take care of yourself. People who move to Phoenix and/or the west with the mistaken thinking that it will help them are sometimes finding new things they are sensitive to. > Take care,> >

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>Reply-To: asthma

>To: asthma

>Subject: Re: Re: Asthma and Humidity

>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT)

>

>some people want it that way. This is true but unless good people try to

>change perceptions the status quo will prevail. People believe what they

>are told from what they watch on the news too often or on tv and no other

>options in their mind exist. Some don't want to know about that which they

>can't change. or think they can't change. I think the new discussions will

>eventualy be about learning to identify triggers and polluted areas and how

>to get policies to care about clean air or get politicians to care more and

>to acertain what the past policies have done to people .

>

>jaime_0609 wrote: 's comment was " Most

>of us here know about the stuff you're

>talking about. " Here, I believe you are preaching to the chior. I

>think you are wanting to educate Q. Public, who I agree, some

>are oblivious, and one thing I have learned about people is,

>sometimes they prefer it that way.

>

>

>

> We don't

>have a moderator here. Most of us try to ignore Sue because saying

>anything to her doesn't help.

> > Mark, what you said was not nice. I am NOT into myself, I am

>expressing fact and opinion. If you don't want to talk to me after

>this, fine. If you legitimately have asthma and want to discuss that,

>ok, otherwise leave us alone with your website about something most

>of us may not be able to afford and such. Most of us here know about

>the stuff you're talking about. We don't need a lecture on global

>warming and increasing asthma. Air quality is very important for most

>of us. I know when we have an ozone action day here, I have to stay

>indoors or wear a mask when I go outside. I'd say most of us keep up

>with pollen counts and ozone alerts. Most of us can't afford to move

>to get away from the junk in the air. I wish. I don't have the money

>either to get into all these fancy air filters and such things. I

>don't have a central heating/air system at my house (we rent) and

>can't afford nor want air purifiers because most of them emit ozone

>which also triggers my asthma. So, we

> > have to learn to deal with what we have and where we are. That's

>why we all are here.

> > , I too have good days and bad days, depending on the pollen

>counts, humidity, and weather. I've had a couple of bad days because

>the humidity and pollen have been higher. I honestly don't know why

>some people do better in one place over another. I'm

>allergic/sensitive to some things here in Northeast Tennessee that

>may not grow in other places but I can't afford to move to get away

>from the things that trigger me. So, in short, you may have to learn

>to live with some of the things there that are bothering you. Do use

>filters if you have central heat/air, clean your house regularly, and

>take care of yourself. People who move to Phoenix and/or the west

>with the mistaken thinking that it will help them are sometimes

>finding new things they are sensitive to.

> > Take care,

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>Reply-To: asthma

>To: asthma

>Subject: Re: Re: Asthma and Humidity

>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:53:10 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I am not diagnosing the rest of you. I am stating what I believe is

>important in helping asthma . It may not help you as much as it helps me

>but it doesn't seem too far to perclude ounces of this black soot is good

>for anyone. The most important part in this is I am not diagnosing

>individual cases cause I realize people are different. I am suggesting many

>people who think asthma is this illness that is directly associated with

>something that is wrong in them or because of one trigger might not be

>true. True ,triggers are important to look for but if your trigger is not

>known because its simply not in the mix or list of causes, or if you don't

>know how well you might do when you compare the amounts of pollution in any

>given area then this might help someone. id what to do better . If you tell

>me that the majority of people have compared the air ratings to their

>reaction to asthma , I would say I don't believe it. More and more people

>are using the website but one of the

> reasons is I have been promoting it. Now if the cause I have given wasn't

>true, then obviously the connections I gave that verify the associations

>would be false also. The bottom line is , anything that increases asthma is

>bad, and when I say that people often underestimate the importance of

>pollutants or know exactly where to look for it, I think its accurate.

>

>

>

>queezles wrote:

> It's good you've tuned in to what sets off your asthma, but

>don't

>presume to diagnose the rest of us. I'm not saying pollution is

>good, but sometimes it's not the point: I personally am better off

>downtown in any major city than out in the countryside: I don't have

>a particular problem with industrial pollution, but hay, pollen,

>animals and such all set me off. For me, strolling through the

>middle of Chicago is fun, while a hike through flowered meadows

>requires serious medication.

>

>Asthma triggers are rather individual. Some people like humid air

>and swear by humidifiers; others do better with drier air, maybe

>because it doesn't harbor many mold spores. Some people have a

>problem with cold air; some don't seem to be bothered about it. I

>don't think a diatribe on " pollution is bad " advances us much.

>

>

> > My name is and like many of you, I am an

>asthmatic. I have

> > been under the care of both my regular care physican and my pulmo

>for

> > years now, yet my asthma seems to stay around status quo (it's a

> > stubborn critter). I have tried Advair and went off it because of

> > side effects. I am currently on Qvar80, with Albuteral as a back-

> > up.

> >

> > I have kept an asthma journal which now is quite lengthly. When I

> > started the journal, the doctor and I were concerned with finding

>the

> > trigger to the beast, so I focused on weather and pollen

>conditions

> > that happened at the time of the attack along with location and my

> > activity. Over the years this diary has shown that my asthma

>favors

> > humidity -- a matter of fact, it turns into kitten in humidity and

> > pitches a fit if the humidity drops below 30%. (The lower the

> > humidity the bigger the fit. Just loves those negative humidity

> > days).

> >

> > I grew up in Northern NY, the child of two heavy smokers (I use to

> > joke in February that if we left the front door open too long

>someone

> > would call the fire department as all the smoke billowed out). My

> > brother is perfectly fine -- no asthma problems, but he remained

>in

> > the New England area. I was first diagnosed by chance when I was

> > around 18 and went to the local doctor instead of my regular

>doctor

> > for an allergy prescription refill - apparently I was asthmatic

>that

> > day and didn't know it. The symptoms the local doctor and I

> > discussed, where the same symptoms I been concerned with for years

>in

> > discussions with my regular doctor, who gave me an inhaler but

>never

> > really explained why. While I was in NY, I really had no problems

> > with my asthma. I had an inhaler, I thought I knew where it was.

> >

> > My problems started when I moved to Phoenix (yes, yes, I know, an

> > emerging asthma capital). Since moving here I have acquired; two

> > doctors, a nebulizer, Qvar80 and I can tell you where all 5 of my

> > inhalers are (all in different locations - purses, bookbags, cars,

> > medicine cabinet), a humidifier and my asthma diary. Whenever I

> > leave here, my asthma calms down and reminds me of the way things

>use

> > to be.

> >

> > Has anyone else had such an experience?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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>Reply-To: asthma

>To: asthma

>Subject: Re: Asthma and Humidity

>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:32:32 -0000

>

>When I do asthma education, and I am talking about triggers, the

>first thing I say is:

>

> " What triggers asthma for one person, may not in another. What

>triggers asthma in you now, may not trigger it in the future. "

>

>That is a direct quote from my website. What I am trying to say is

>that an asthmatic can and should try everything. Then you can

>continue the therapies that work for you. Always talk to your

>doctor about what you are doing. Keep a diary and do peak flows and

>stay on top of signs and symptoms.

>

>

> We don't

> > have a moderator here. Most of us try to ignore Sue because saying

> > anything to her doesn't help.

> > > Mark, what you said was not nice. I am NOT into myself, I am

> > expressing fact and opinion. If you don't want to talk to me after

> > this, fine. If you legitimately have asthma and want to discuss

>that,

> > ok, otherwise leave us alone with your website about something

>most

> > of us may not be able to afford and such. Most of us here know

>about

> > the stuff you're talking about. We don't need a lecture on global

> > warming and increasing asthma. Air quality is very important for

>most

> > of us. I know when we have an ozone action day here, I have to

>stay

> > indoors or wear a mask when I go outside. I'd say most of us keep

>up

> > with pollen counts and ozone alerts. Most of us can't afford to

>move

> > to get away from the junk in the air. I wish. I don't have the

>money

> > either to get into all these fancy air filters and such things. I

> > don't have a central heating/air system at my house (we rent) and

> > can't afford nor want air purifiers because most of them emit

>ozone

> > which also triggers my asthma. So, we

> > > have to learn to deal with what we have and where we are. That's

> > why we all are here.

> > > , I too have good days and bad days, depending on the

>pollen

> > counts, humidity, and weather. I've had a couple of bad days

>because

> > the humidity and pollen have been higher. I honestly don't know

>why

> > some people do better in one place over another. I'm

> > allergic/sensitive to some things here in Northeast Tennessee that

> > may not grow in other places but I can't afford to move to get

>away

> > from the things that trigger me. So, in short, you may have to

>learn

> > to live with some of the things there that are bothering you. Do

>use

> > filters if you have central heat/air, clean your house regularly,

>and

> > take care of yourself. People who move to Phoenix and/or the west

> > with the mistaken thinking that it will help them are sometimes

> > finding new things they are sensitive to.

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>To: asthma

>Subject: Re: Re: Asthma and Humidity

>Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:02:21 -0400

>

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> >

> >Reply-To: asthma

> >To: asthma

> >Subject: Re: Re: Asthma and Humidity

> >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >some people want it that way. This is true but unless good people try to

> >change perceptions the status quo will prevail. People believe what they

> >are told from what they watch on the news too often or on tv and no

>other

> >options in their mind exist. Some don't want to know about that which

>they

> >can't change. or think they can't change. I think the new discussions

>will

> >eventualy be about learning to identify triggers and polluted areas and

>how

> >to get policies to care about clean air or get politicians to care more

>and

> >to acertain what the past policies have done to people .

> >

> >jaime_0609 wrote: 's comment was

> " Most

> >of us here know about the stuff you're

> >talking about. " Here, I believe you are preaching to the chior. I

> >think you are wanting to educate Q. Public, who I agree, some

> >are oblivious, and one thing I have learned about people is,

> >sometimes they prefer it that way.

> >

> >

> >

> > We don't

> >have a moderator here. Most of us try to ignore Sue because saying

> >anything to her doesn't help.

> > > Mark, what you said was not nice. I am NOT into myself, I am

> >expressing fact and opinion. If you don't want to talk to me after

> >this, fine. If you legitimately have asthma and want to discuss that,

> >ok, otherwise leave us alone with your website about something most

> >of us may not be able to afford and such. Most of us here know about

> >the stuff you're talking about. We don't need a lecture on global

> >warming and increasing asthma. Air quality is very important for most

> >of us. I know when we have an ozone action day here, I have to stay

> >indoors or wear a mask when I go outside. I'd say most of us keep up

> >with pollen counts and ozone alerts. Most of us can't afford to move

> >to get away from the junk in the air. I wish. I don't have the money

> >either to get into all these fancy air filters and such things. I

> >don't have a central heating/air system at my house (we rent) and

> >can't afford nor want air purifiers because most of them emit ozone

> >which also triggers my asthma. So, we

> > > have to learn to deal with what we have and where we are. That's

> >why we all are here.

> > > , I too have good days and bad days, depending on the pollen

> >counts, humidity, and weather. I've had a couple of bad days because

> >the humidity and pollen have been higher. I honestly don't know why

> >some people do better in one place over another. I'm

> >allergic/sensitive to some things here in Northeast Tennessee that

> >may not grow in other places but I can't afford to move to get away

> >from the things that trigger me. So, in short, you may have to learn

> >to live with some of the things there that are bothering you. Do use

> >filters if you have central heat/air, clean your house regularly, and

> >take care of yourself. People who move to Phoenix and/or the west

> >with the mistaken thinking that it will help them are sometimes

> >finding new things they are sensitive to.

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>rates

> >starting at 1¢/min.

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Hi , The ozone is horrible in the Smokies. Now how would I know this. I listen to the news reports here. It's mainly the car traffic through the park causing most of it. I'm with weezles that I do better in town than out in the country. Hay, animals, and such things really bother me. I do have a small window ac unit in one room (for now, I plan to buy a couple more for next summer and put them in the bedrooms). I keep the living room closed off from the rest of the house and it really helps me. I do ok on low humidity even when it's hot. I do not care much for winter, because really cold air bothers me too. I keep up with the pollen counts here. I have to. It's easy to find out this information by using www.weather.com The Weather Channel website has a link to get pollen counts for any area. I also get allergy notices from another website. I'll look up the addy and post it

here. www.aafa.org is good too. So, Mark, don't say people here are uninformed about where to go to get this information. I just told them. As you said this information is available and easy to find. The Weather Channel on tv tells people all the time to use their website for this stuff. There are asthma and allergy sites on the web. We are not as uninformed as you think. Take care, jaime_0609 wrote: ,I actually moved

out here for a job. Because my asthma was so good back east, it acting up out here had never crossed my mind. I agree with you that I may have to learn to live with it.That is a bummer that you do not have central air, I know it has helped me quite a bit. One thing I found interesting the other day was that air quality in the rural areas is not as prestine as we expect. I think it was on the Discovery channel and they showed our poor the air quality is in the Smokey Mountains.>> ... People who move to Phoenix and/or the west with the mistaken thinking that it will help them are sometimes finding new things they are sensitive to. > Take care,> > God bless you!

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So you're saying everyone should buy new cars just to accomodate you??

Geez....this group is so frickin nuts!!! It's enough to give anyone an asthma attack! I'm going to find a SANE ASTHMA GROUP.

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hi kris, wow, you should really get out of there asap! i was only in davis for less than 2 years and i am STILL miserable...i think i went to auburn once, it isn't that bad...? i'm also thinking of moving,,,probably to the patterson/turlock area... best shefyberry_kris wrote: Hi shefy-Up the hill a little from (Auburn), moved here a year ago (also originally from Bay Area, then the last 20 in Monterey, about as clean of air as you can get in California), have had massive problems in the last 9 months. Now we have a 5,500 acre forest fire about 15 miles away, smoke seems to settle around here. Miserable around here, even getting health alerts from the County Public

Information Officer.Kris> My name is and like many of you, I am an asthmatic. I have > been under the care of both my regular care physican and my pulmo for > years now, yet my asthma seems to stay around status quo (it's a > stubborn

critter). I have tried Advair and went off it because of > side effects. I am currently on Qvar80, with Albuteral as a back-> up. > > I have kept an asthma journal which now is quite lengthly. When I > started the journal, the doctor and I were concerned with finding the > trigger to the beast, so I focused on weather and pollen conditions > that happened at the time of the attack along with location and my > activity. Over the years this diary has shown that my asthma favors > humidity -- a matter of fact, it turns into kitten in humidity and > pitches a fit if the humidity drops below 30%. (The lower the > humidity the bigger the fit. Just loves those negative humidity > days). > > I grew up in Northern NY, the child of two heavy smokers (I use to > joke in February that if we left the front door open too long someone > would call the fire

department as all the smoke billowed out). My > brother is perfectly fine -- no asthma problems, but he remained in > the New England area. I was first diagnosed by chance when I was > around 18 and went to the local doctor instead of my regular doctor > for an allergy prescription refill - apparently I was asthmatic that > day and didn't know it. The symptoms the local doctor and I > discussed, where the same symptoms I been concerned with for years in > discussions with my regular doctor, who gave me an inhaler but never > really explained why. While I was in NY, I really had no problems > with my asthma. I had an inhaler, I thought I knew where it was.> > My problems started when I moved to Phoenix (yes, yes, I know, an > emerging asthma capital). Since moving here I have acquired; two > doctors, a nebulizer, Qvar80 and I can tell you where all 5 of my >

inhalers are (all in different locations - purses, bookbags, cars, > medicine cabinet), a humidifier and my asthma diary. Whenever I > leave here, my asthma calms down and reminds me of the way things use > to be.> > Has anyone else had such an experience? > > > > > > > > > >

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Then unsub yourself you ignorant moron! Flooding the list with your crap is

not going to do a damn thing but piss people off! Grow up and buy a clue you

freakin idiot!!

Re: Re: Asthma and Humidity

> >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:53:10 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >I am not diagnosing the rest of you. I am stating what I believe is

> >important in helping asthma . It may not help you as much as it helps me

> >but it doesn't seem too far to perclude ounces of this black soot is good

> >for anyone. The most important part in this is I am not diagnosing

> >individual cases cause I realize people are different. I am suggesting

many

> >people who think asthma is this illness that is directly associated with

> >something that is wrong in them or because of one trigger might not be

> >true. True ,triggers are important to look for but if your trigger is not

> >known because its simply not in the mix or list of causes, or if you

don't

> >know how well you might do when you compare the amounts of pollution in

any

> >given area then this might help someone. id what to do better . If you

tell

> >me that the majority of people have compared the air ratings to their

> >reaction to asthma , I would say I don't believe it. More and more people

> >are using the website but one of the

> > reasons is I have been promoting it. Now if the cause I have given

wasn't

> >true, then obviously the connections I gave that verify the associations

> >would be false also. The bottom line is , anything that increases asthma

is

> >bad, and when I say that people often underestimate the importance of

> >pollutants or know exactly where to look for it, I think its accurate.

> >

> >

> >

> >queezles wrote:

> > It's good you've tuned in to what sets off your asthma, but

> >don't

> >presume to diagnose the rest of us. I'm not saying pollution is

> >good, but sometimes it's not the point: I personally am better off

> >downtown in any major city than out in the countryside: I don't have

> >a particular problem with industrial pollution, but hay, pollen,

> >animals and such all set me off. For me, strolling through the

> >middle of Chicago is fun, while a hike through flowered meadows

> >requires serious medication.

> >

> >Asthma triggers are rather individual. Some people like humid air

> >and swear by humidifiers; others do better with drier air, maybe

> >because it doesn't harbor many mold spores. Some people have a

> >problem with cold air; some don't seem to be bothered about it. I

> >don't think a diatribe on " pollution is bad " advances us much.

> >

> >

> > > My name is and like many of you, I am an

> >asthmatic. I have

> > > been under the care of both my regular care physican and my pulmo

> >for

> > > years now, yet my asthma seems to stay around status quo (it's a

> > > stubborn critter). I have tried Advair and went off it because of

> > > side effects. I am currently on Qvar80, with Albuteral as a back-

> > > up.

> > >

> > > I have kept an asthma journal which now is quite lengthly. When I

> > > started the journal, the doctor and I were concerned with finding

> >the

> > > trigger to the beast, so I focused on weather and pollen

> >conditions

> > > that happened at the time of the attack along with location and my

> > > activity. Over the years this diary has shown that my asthma

> >favors

> > > humidity -- a matter of fact, it turns into kitten in humidity and

> > > pitches a fit if the humidity drops below 30%. (The lower the

> > > humidity the bigger the fit. Just loves those negative humidity

> > > days).

> > >

> > > I grew up in Northern NY, the child of two heavy smokers (I use to

> > > joke in February that if we left the front door open too long

> >someone

> > > would call the fire department as all the smoke billowed out). My

> > > brother is perfectly fine -- no asthma problems, but he remained

> >in

> > > the New England area. I was first diagnosed by chance when I was

> > > around 18 and went to the local doctor instead of my regular

> >doctor

> > > for an allergy prescription refill - apparently I was asthmatic

> >that

> > > day and didn't know it. The symptoms the local doctor and I

> > > discussed, where the same symptoms I been concerned with for years

> >in

> > > discussions with my regular doctor, who gave me an inhaler but

> >never

> > > really explained why. While I was in NY, I really had no problems

> > > with my asthma. I had an inhaler, I thought I knew where it was.

> > >

> > > My problems started when I moved to Phoenix (yes, yes, I know, an

> > > emerging asthma capital). Since moving here I have acquired; two

> > > doctors, a nebulizer, Qvar80 and I can tell you where all 5 of my

> > > inhalers are (all in different locations - purses, bookbags, cars,

> > > medicine cabinet), a humidifier and my asthma diary. Whenever I

> > > leave here, my asthma calms down and reminds me of the way things

> >use

> > > to be.

> > >

> > > Has anyone else had such an experience?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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First off Bill tell me where I said people here are uninformed, If I did say it I meant in general. The uninformed part is not anyones fault. The powers that be would rather not make it easy to tell you how or where to go to monitor the air pollution or tell you why asthma has increased . Because to do that might make policy mandatory to help people solve their asthma and disease problems and demphasizing of medication might make tv lose allot ofadvertising money .I personally have seen a direct correlation between the number of ozone and high particulate days and the number of people going in for asthma meds . Ove the last years though I have seen many people wait for better air before exercising thinking my message is getting out there although many people will never acknowledge I got them to check airnows website. Many times I have asked people in asthma doctors office if they were aware of how pollution might make their asthma

worse and many said yes but when I asked them how they determined this, they said on occasion on hot days the presumed it. Many people do not get their information online in newsgroups, in fact most people don't. So if you were to go to a doctors office and took a poll with all the people who took asthma meds , how they monitor their asthma, going to airnow website and knowing their states ozone count would encompass very few respondents. Stil to this days tv news has huge influence in making policy and in making people rationalize what is important.Bill and Canter wrote: Hi , The ozone is horrible in the Smokies. Now how would I know this. I listen to the news reports here. It's mainly the car traffic through the park causing most of it. I'm with weezles that I do better in town than out in the country. Hay, animals, and such things really bother me. I do have a small window ac unit in one room (for now, I plan to buy a couple more for next summer and put them in the bedrooms). I keep the living room closed off from the rest of the house and it really helps me. I do ok on low humidity even when it's hot. I do not care much for winter, because really cold air bothers me too. I keep up with the pollen counts here. I have to. It's easy to find out this information by using www.weather.com The Weather Channel website has a link to get pollen counts

for any area. I also get allergy notices from another website. I'll look up the addy and post it here. www.aafa.org is good too. So, Mark, don't say people here are uninformed about where to go to get this information. I just told them. As you said this information is available and easy to find. The Weather Channel on tv tells people all the time to use their website for this stuff. There are asthma and allergy sites on the web. We are not as uninformed as you think. Take care, jaime_0609 <jaime_0609> wrote: ,I actually moved out here for a job. Because my asthma was so good back east, it acting up out here had never crossed my mind. I agree with you that I may have to learn to live with it.That is a bummer that

you do not have central air, I know it has helped me quite a bit. One thing I found interesting the other day was that air quality in the rural areas is not as prestine as we expect. I think it was on the Discovery channel and they showed our poor the air quality is in the Smokey Mountains.>> ... People who move to Phoenix and/or the west with the mistaken thinking that it will help them are sometimes finding new things they are sensitive to. > Take care,> > God bless you! Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great

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Hi Kris, I know what you mean...I couldn't ever imagine settling down anywhere but the bay area! I have the same symptom as you...I only have problems on the inhale, not the exhale. In fact, when I do wheeze, it's only at the end of the INHALE! Very opposite for asthma. I had typical asthma last year, where I was audibly wheezing on exhale and responded 100% to qvar/abluterol. I'm not responding well this year so it's not really asthma. doctors will say it's asthma just so they can have a "label" my pulmo. said i'm a "high perceiver"...hahahha! in my mind i was like duh of course i'm gona perceive that i can't breathe you dumb ass!...I also think it's something to due with my digestion/reflux issue. They prescribe prilosec but that shuts down acid pumps in the stomach. I think my problem is not ENOUGH acid...I've been taking apple cider vinegar for 3 days, and my reflux is a lot better. i don't taste the

acid in my throat anymore... i'm going in for a methacholine challenge test too...kaiser just makes you waits months practically though... i'm going to a naturopath this week and hopefully she'll be able to diagnose this breathing issue. do you also have allergies? i don't have typical hay fever symptoms anymore but my nose does get blocked quite often. i also came up slightly allergic to wheat, soy, and i know dairy. have a good week shefyberry_kris wrote: Well, fortunately (or unfortunately ?) I love the area. But seriously, I am still waiting for official diagnosis. At this point, it appears I have Cough Variant Asthma, and likely either a acid reflux or some vocal cord problem. I go in next month for a ph probe study and

endoscope. My test results for the methacholine challange did not indicate asthma, just the opposite, my breathing problem seems to be in the "intake mode" instead of exhaling. But, since I have responded fairly well to the asthma drugs, my Dr. thinks I have asthma to some extent, along with something else.It would be a tough decision to actually leave...I have a job I have worked years for, and am in a place I have wanted to move to for a long time.Kris> > My name is and like many of you, I am an asthmatic. I have > > been under the care of both my regular care physican and my pulmo > for > > years now, yet my asthma seems to stay around status quo (it's a > > stubborn critter). I have tried Advair and went off it because of > > side effects. I am currently on Qvar80, with Albuteral as a back-> > up. > > > > I have kept an asthma journal which now is quite lengthly. When I > > started the journal, the doctor and I were concerned with finding > the > > trigger to the beast, so I

focused on weather and pollen > conditions > > that happened at the time of the attack along with location and my > > activity. Over the years this diary has shown that my asthma > favors > > humidity -- a matter of fact, it turns into kitten in humidity and > > pitches a fit if the humidity drops below 30%. (The lower the > > humidity the bigger the fit. Just loves those negative humidity > > days). > > > > I grew up in Northern NY, the child of two heavy smokers (I use to > > joke in February that if we left the front door open too long > someone > > would call the fire department as all the smoke billowed out). My > > brother is perfectly fine -- no asthma problems, but he remained > in > > the New England area. I was first diagnosed by chance when I was > > around 18 and went to the local doctor

instead of my regular > doctor > > for an allergy prescription refill - apparently I was asthmatic > that > > day and didn't know it. The symptoms the local doctor and I > > discussed, where the same symptoms I been concerned with for years > in > > discussions with my regular doctor, who gave me an inhaler but > never > > really explained why. While I was in NY, I really had no problems > > with my asthma. I had an inhaler, I thought I knew where it was.> > > > My problems started when I moved to Phoenix (yes, yes, I know, an > > emerging asthma capital). Since moving here I have acquired; two > > doctors, a nebulizer, Qvar80 and I can tell you where all 5 of my > > inhalers are (all in different locations - purses, bookbags, cars, > > medicine cabinet), a humidifier and my asthma diary. Whenever I >

> leave here, my asthma calms down and reminds me of the way things > use > > to be.> > > > Has anyone else had such an experience? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Excuse me Sue. No that's not what I'm saying. I know people can't afford that. But it would be nice. Have you never had an asthma attack driving behind someone with a smoker, or do you live somewhere that driving cars like that isn't allowed? There are some states and cities in my state that do emissions testing. This part of Tennessee doesn't yet. If they did, people wouldn't be allowed to drive them like that. There's a lot of things I'm fighting for at school to accommodate me AND ALL OTHERS with breathing problems, like getting the outdoor smoking rules changed. My daughter has to smoke outside to accommodate me and my granddaughter. I like breathing without asthma symptoms, don't you? If it didn't accommodate me, I'd be in the ER all the time spending your tax dollars so my Medicare would pay the bills or maybe dead already. Get off your high horse for one time and think woman instead of spitting venom like an angry cobra. If you truly have

asthma and wish to contribute something constructive, why don't you join in the conversations NICELY. Otherwise, please hush up. Tammy, this doesn't always go on. We just don't want people coming in here who talk about things like pollution, which we all KNOW is bad for asthmatics no matter where we live, and forwarding their own agendas. We also don't want quacks coming in here trying to promote dangerous stuff like "mind control" of symptoms instead of proper medication if it's needed. If we could stop it we would, but there is no moderator, so we have to moderate ourselves the best we can. Sue is almost always rude, and almost never contributes anything good here. tammyco5@... wrote: In a message dated 9/11/2006 2:46:07 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, sue.nycatt (DOT) net writes: So you're saying everyone should buy new cars just to accomodate you?? Geez....this group is so frickin nuts!!! It's enough to give anyone an asthma attack! I'm going to find a SANE ASTHMA GROUP. God bless you!

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