Re: The need to communicate and share

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Hi,

ASHOK GOLLERKERI wrote:....... and was deleted.

OK, I'm pissed off with receiving these Ashok guy's posts.

It's ok that I'm pissed off.

I'm working on that I'm pissed off with the moderator for allowing his

posts to continue.

It's great that I can create a message rule to put his emails in the trash.

BTW, I love this list so very much.

Thank you for writing.

Thank you for being there.

Thank you for listening to my words.

In participation,

A...

[Guest guest]

After quickly scrolling to the end of Ashok's post and visiting one of the

links beneath Ashok's signatures today, it seems to be that the long posts

are essays that he/she wrote. When I read the beginning of Ashok's most

recent post, I first thought it was going to be a response to the other

people who were posting things wondering why he/she was doing this because it

started out...*As I see it..* and it seemed like an explanation for the

actions was going to ensue. However, that is exactly the way one of the

essays on the site starts...the last of 5 in a series that are highlighted on

this site. Perhaps all of the 5 have been shared now and he/she is satisfied

that the messages were *communicated and shared* and now there aren't any

others to share. (Until there are again!)

Another way to have approached the need for his/her essays is to be read,

would have been to post a note saying that there are some essays on such and

such site...please feel free to enjoy them there. I remember that idea being

mentioned re: some other people's longer *off-topic* posts.

It's interesting to me, how I find it more annoying at times to see the

entire long post or *off-topic* post...than I would to seeing a URL that

represented the exact same thing! The same ingredients are there, just in a

different format. I'm annoyed by one, and not the other. I liken it to being

pissed at potatos and loving mashed potatos; same thing, different delivery.

*mona

[Guest guest]

Very nice.

The need to communicate and share

As I see it, we are, all of us on this planet, like a million

waves in a single ocean- related to each other, whether we

acknowledge it or not. I am one wave in this vast ocean of

humanity, you are another and it is inevitable that we shall

meet, communicate and share - as one human being to another.

In this sharing, there is no superior or inferior, no teacher

or taught, no leader or follower. We meet as waves in a single

ocean, in a oneness beyond description. In this sharing, in

this reaching out, in this speaking and listening, from one

human being to another is the warmth, the tenderness and the

love of being essentially one.

Obviously, to share means to reach out, to break out of one's

shell of isolation, of alienation, of a seemingly separate

existence. Further, this reaching out has to be spontaneous,

not demanded or forced. One has to feel comfortable with it.

There maybe several experiences which we feel insecure about,

where we feel more secure in our own comfortable, self

protective shell. One might feel vulnerable and exposed, to

share everything one has experienced. On the other hand,

there may be several experiences which one eagerly wishes

to share. Essentially then, sharing should be a spontaneous

outpouring of the heart which reaches out in joy and love.

There may be aspects of one's life which one may wish to

share with only a few, maybe family or friends. There may

be aspects which one can share with anyone. Sharing does

not necessarily imply telling everything to everybody.

Each one is entitled to one's privacy, to one's own

values, one's own thoughts and feelings. To share cannot

mean a demand that everyone express an opinion. Sharing

cannot be demanded or enforced. It can only be invited

and received with love and affection, with mutual respect.

Sharing does not demand, it merely reaches out with love

and listens with patience. It does not seek to sit in

judgement, to condemn or even correct, nor even to

criticise. Sharing, to my mind, is to reach out in love

to another and to receive the other in a spirit of

oneness. It implies no claim to knowledge, wisdom,

superiority or greatness. On the other hand, it

implies an emptiness that is receptive to what

another can give. It implies an empty cup willing

to be filled with what another offers with love.

It is a spontaneous reaching out and receptivity to love.

Man is a thinking animal. He therefore tends to think

more than he feels. This, in fact, may be at the very

root of our many problems - our discontent, our

insecurity and conflict. Thought itself is based on

the notion of a separate thinker. The fact of a separate

entity who is thinking is a tacit assumption of all thought.

It therefore presupposes separation between the thinker

and the rest of creation, between the thinker and the

thought, between subject and object. Thought demands a

pattern it labels as logic or reason and rejects all that

does not fall into this limited pattern as absurd.

Therefore, the thought process may actually be man's

greatest barrier to the discovery of his own awareness.

Herein lies the importance of feeling, the subtle, gentle

and often hidden impulses from our heart, those faint

stirrings from the depths of our own consciousness.

These are often merely felt, may defy expresion,logic

and verbalisation.Yet,these gentle signals from deep

within us, might be the language of the infinite

intelligence that makes life meaningful, the source

of all love, peace and joy. Are we quiet enough to

listen to the gentle stirrings of our own soul? Are we

sensitive and gentle, loving in our response to these

gentle stirrings? Or, are we turning a deaf ear in the

vanity of our own accumulated notions, in the sterile

patterns of our own limited and repetitive reasoning and

intelligence? Can we empty our mind of its accumulated

notions to abide in a stillness where we can feel and

respond to the loving stirrings from the soul?

I dont refer to soul as a magical, metaphysical entity

that outlives the body. I talk of it as the light of

infinite intelligence that enables our very ability to

be aware, that substratum of consciousness that enables

continuity of experience, that witnesses the interplay

of the pairs of opposites in our life - joy and sorrow,

pain and pleasure. I refer to it as the unseen observer

who is present in our every observation, in our every

experience.

To my mind, sharing lies in meeting at the level of

oneness, in a continuum of consciousness, where the

unreality of separation between you and me are felt

by both. It is like the point when two waves crash

against each other in a movement that encompasses

and transcends both. In this magic meeting, our

separateness is overcome and we abide in the joy

and bliss of sharing. All of us experience this

feeling of reaching out and welcoming with love,

within various relationships - maybe with a spouse,

a lover, a child, a parent, a teacher or a friend.

Here again, the specific activity or person that

we share with is secondary. What is of the greatest

importance is that we reach out and receive in love,

in a celebration of oneness that is sharing.

We might and many of us do, share with animals,

with a pet. We may give and receive love

unconditionally,joyously,in a recognition of

oneness and joy.We may share with a plant,watering

it with love.We may share with a stranger with a

spontaneous smile or nod.We may share with a small

child,with a hug or laughter.We can share with the

young and the old,men and women,humans or animals,

rich or poor-through language or through touch,

through laughter or through tears. One might even

share one's togetherness with another,in silence

and stillness,in the unconditional acceptance of

the way things are.In the spontaneous giving and

receiving of love in a million different ways is

sharing.

As our civilisations progress, as man gets lost

in materialistic pursuits, as we increase the

separation between ourselves and nature and

between each other, as each individual gets buried

in his own little cocoon, isolated and alienated

from another, as the harshness and conflict, the

competitiveness of the world often stares us in

the face and overtakes us, as it often threatens

to overwhelm us, in this moment, where it may seem

least deserving, it is needed most - a spontaneous

receptivity and reaching out with love. Now, more

than ever, we need to communicate and share. In

the devastating isolation and alienation of our

concrete jungles, in the oppressive burden of

competition and conflict, we need more than ever

the spontaneity, the stillness, the emptiness

and the receptivity that will enable us to give

and receive with love. What we give and receive

is secondary, what is important is that we give

and receive with love, in a sharing that celebrates

our essential oneness. To live is to share and to

share is to celebrate our oneness with love.

Ashok Gollerkeri

ashok_gollerkeri@...

Copyright© 2002 Ashok Gollerkeri

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SharingForSelfEnquiry

http://www.spiritualsisters.com/spiritual-healing_veggiebar.htm

[Guest guest]

When you are pissed off..........What an opportunity for the work. Smile.

Re: The need to communicate and share

Hi,

ASHOK GOLLERKERI wrote:....... and was deleted.

OK, I'm pissed off with receiving these Ashok guy's posts.

It's ok that I'm pissed off.

I'm working on that I'm pissed off with the moderator for allowing his

posts to continue.

It's great that I can create a message rule to put his emails in the trash.

BTW, I love this list so very much.

Thank you for writing.

Thank you for being there.

Thank you for listening to my words.

In participation,

A...

[Guest guest]

Thank you Father Ashok, Rabbi Ashok, Rev. Ashok.....did I leave anything out?

The need to communicate and share

As I see it, we are, all of us on this planet, like a million

waves in a single ocean- related to each other, whether we

acknowledge it or not. I am one wave in this vast ocean of

humanity, you are another and it is inevitable that we shall

meet, communicate and share - as one human being to another.

In this sharing, there is no superior or inferior, no teacher

or taught, no leader or follower. We meet as waves in a single

ocean, in a oneness beyond description. In this sharing, in

this reaching out, in this speaking and listening, from one

human being to another is the warmth, the tenderness and the

love of being essentially one.

Obviously, to share means to reach out, to break out of one's

shell of isolation, of alienation, of a seemingly separate

existence. Further, this reaching out has to be spontaneous,

not demanded or forced. One has to feel comfortable with it.

There maybe several experiences which we feel insecure about,

where we feel more secure in our own comfortable, self

protective shell. One might feel vulnerable and exposed, to

share everything one has experienced. On the other hand,

there may be several experiences which one eagerly wishes

to share. Essentially then, sharing should be a spontaneous

outpouring of the heart which reaches out in joy and love.

There may be aspects of one's life which one may wish to

share with only a few, maybe family or friends. There may

be aspects which one can share with anyone. Sharing does

not necessarily imply telling everything to everybody.

Each one is entitled to one's privacy, to one's own

values, one's own thoughts and feelings. To share cannot

mean a demand that everyone express an opinion. Sharing

cannot be demanded or enforced. It can only be invited

and received with love and affection, with mutual respect.

Sharing does not demand, it merely reaches out with love

and listens with patience. It does not seek to sit in

judgement, to condemn or even correct, nor even to

criticise. Sharing, to my mind, is to reach out in love

to another and to receive the other in a spirit of

oneness. It implies no claim to knowledge, wisdom,

superiority or greatness. On the other hand, it

implies an emptiness that is receptive to what

another can give. It implies an empty cup willing

to be filled with what another offers with love.

It is a spontaneous reaching out and receptivity to love.

Man is a thinking animal. He therefore tends to think

more than he feels. This, in fact, may be at the very

root of our many problems - our discontent, our

insecurity and conflict. Thought itself is based on

the notion of a separate thinker. The fact of a separate

entity who is thinking is a tacit assumption of all thought.

It therefore presupposes separation between the thinker

and the rest of creation, between the thinker and the

thought, between subject and object. Thought demands a

pattern it labels as logic or reason and rejects all that

does not fall into this limited pattern as absurd.

Therefore, the thought process may actually be man's

greatest barrier to the discovery of his own awareness.

Herein lies the importance of feeling, the subtle, gentle

and often hidden impulses from our heart, those faint

stirrings from the depths of our own consciousness.

These are often merely felt, may defy expresion,logic

and verbalisation.Yet,these gentle signals from deep

within us, might be the language of the infinite

intelligence that makes life meaningful, the source

of all love, peace and joy. Are we quiet enough to

listen to the gentle stirrings of our own soul? Are we

sensitive and gentle, loving in our response to these

gentle stirrings? Or, are we turning a deaf ear in the

vanity of our own accumulated notions, in the sterile

patterns of our own limited and repetitive reasoning and

intelligence? Can we empty our mind of its accumulated

notions to abide in a stillness where we can feel and

respond to the loving stirrings from the soul?

I dont refer to soul as a magical, metaphysical entity

that outlives the body. I talk of it as the light of

infinite intelligence that enables our very ability to

be aware, that substratum of consciousness that enables

continuity of experience, that witnesses the interplay

of the pairs of opposites in our life - joy and sorrow,

pain and pleasure. I refer to it as the unseen observer

who is present in our every observation, in our every

experience.

To my mind, sharing lies in meeting at the level of

oneness, in a continuum of consciousness, where the

unreality of separation between you and me are felt

by both. It is like the point when two waves crash

against each other in a movement that encompasses

and transcends both. In this magic meeting, our

separateness is overcome and we abide in the joy

and bliss of sharing. All of us experience this

feeling of reaching out and welcoming with love,

within various relationships - maybe with a spouse,

a lover, a child, a parent, a teacher or a friend.

Here again, the specific activity or person that

we share with is secondary. What is of the greatest

importance is that we reach out and receive in love,

in a celebration of oneness that is sharing.

We might and many of us do, share with animals,

with a pet. We may give and receive love

unconditionally,joyously,in a recognition of

oneness and joy.We may share with a plant,watering

it with love.We may share with a stranger with a

spontaneous smile or nod.We may share with a small

child,with a hug or laughter.We can share with the

young and the old,men and women,humans or animals,

rich or poor-through language or through touch,

through laughter or through tears. One might even

share one's togetherness with another,in silence

and stillness,in the unconditional acceptance of

the way things are.In the spontaneous giving and

receiving of love in a million different ways is

sharing.

As our civilisations progress, as man gets lost

in materialistic pursuits, as we increase the

separation between ourselves and nature and

between each other, as each individual gets buried

in his own little cocoon, isolated and alienated

from another, as the harshness and conflict, the

competitiveness of the world often stares us in

the face and overtakes us, as it often threatens

to overwhelm us, in this moment, where it may seem

least deserving, it is needed most - a spontaneous

receptivity and reaching out with love. Now, more

than ever, we need to communicate and share. In

the devastating isolation and alienation of our

concrete jungles, in the oppressive burden of

competition and conflict, we need more than ever

the spontaneity, the stillness, the emptiness

and the receptivity that will enable us to give

and receive with love. What we give and receive

is secondary, what is important is that we give

and receive with love, in a sharing that celebrates

our essential oneness. To live is to share and to

share is to celebrate our oneness with love.

Ashok Gollerkeri

ashok_gollerkeri@...

Copyright© 2002 Ashok Gollerkeri

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SharingForSelfEnquiry

http://www.spiritualsisters.com/spiritual-healing_veggiebar.htm

[Guest guest]

I dare not say, for then you will all need to do the work about what I've

said.

Re: The need to communicate and share

Thank you Father Ashok, Rabbi Ashok, Rev. Ashok.....did I leave anything

out?

The need to communicate and share

As I see it, we are, all of us on this planet, like a million

waves in a single ocean- related to each other, whether we

acknowledge it or not. I am one wave in this vast ocean of

humanity, you are another and it is inevitable that we shall

meet, communicate and share - as one human being to another.

In this sharing, there is no superior or inferior, no teacher

or taught, no leader or follower. We meet as waves in a single

ocean, in a oneness beyond description. In this sharing, in

this reaching out, in this speaking and listening, from one

human being to another is the warmth, the tenderness and the

love of being essentially one.

Obviously, to share means to reach out, to break out of one's

shell of isolation, of alienation, of a seemingly separate

existence. Further, this reaching out has to be spontaneous,

not demanded or forced. One has to feel comfortable with it.

There maybe several experiences which we feel insecure about,

where we feel more secure in our own comfortable, self

protective shell. One might feel vulnerable and exposed, to

share everything one has experienced. On the other hand,

there may be several experiences which one eagerly wishes

to share. Essentially then, sharing should be a spontaneous

outpouring of the heart which reaches out in joy and love.

There may be aspects of one's life which one may wish to

share with only a few, maybe family or friends. There may

be aspects which one can share with anyone. Sharing does

not necessarily imply telling everything to everybody.

Each one is entitled to one's privacy, to one's own

values, one's own thoughts and feelings. To share cannot

mean a demand that everyone express an opinion. Sharing

cannot be demanded or enforced. It can only be invited

and received with love and affection, with mutual respect.

Sharing does not demand, it merely reaches out with love

and listens with patience. It does not seek to sit in

judgement, to condemn or even correct, nor even to

criticise. Sharing, to my mind, is to reach out in love

to another and to receive the other in a spirit of

oneness. It implies no claim to knowledge, wisdom,

superiority or greatness. On the other hand, it

implies an emptiness that is receptive to what

another can give. It implies an empty cup willing

to be filled with what another offers with love.

It is a spontaneous reaching out and receptivity to love.

Man is a thinking animal. He therefore tends to think

more than he feels. This, in fact, may be at the very

root of our many problems - our discontent, our

insecurity and conflict. Thought itself is based on

the notion of a separate thinker. The fact of a separate

entity who is thinking is a tacit assumption of all thought.

It therefore presupposes separation between the thinker

and the rest of creation, between the thinker and the

thought, between subject and object. Thought demands a

pattern it labels as logic or reason and rejects all that

does not fall into this limited pattern as absurd.

Therefore, the thought process may actually be man's

greatest barrier to the discovery of his own awareness.

Herein lies the importance of feeling, the subtle, gentle

and often hidden impulses from our heart, those faint

stirrings from the depths of our own consciousness.

These are often merely felt, may defy expresion,logic

and verbalisation.Yet,these gentle signals from deep

within us, might be the language of the infinite

intelligence that makes life meaningful, the source

of all love, peace and joy. Are we quiet enough to

listen to the gentle stirrings of our own soul? Are we

sensitive and gentle, loving in our response to these

gentle stirrings? Or, are we turning a deaf ear in the

vanity of our own accumulated notions, in the sterile

patterns of our own limited and repetitive reasoning and

intelligence? Can we empty our mind of its accumulated

notions to abide in a stillness where we can feel and

respond to the loving stirrings from the soul?

I dont refer to soul as a magical, metaphysical entity

that outlives the body. I talk of it as the light of

infinite intelligence that enables our very ability to

be aware, that substratum of consciousness that enables

continuity of experience, that witnesses the interplay

of the pairs of opposites in our life - joy and sorrow,

pain and pleasure. I refer to it as the unseen observer

who is present in our every observation, in our every

experience.

To my mind, sharing lies in meeting at the level of

oneness, in a continuum of consciousness, where the

unreality of separation between you and me are felt

by both. It is like the point when two waves crash

against each other in a movement that encompasses

and transcends both. In this magic meeting, our

separateness is overcome and we abide in the joy

and bliss of sharing. All of us experience this

feeling of reaching out and welcoming with love,

within various relationships - maybe with a spouse,

a lover, a child, a parent, a teacher or a friend.

Here again, the specific activity or person that

we share with is secondary. What is of the greatest

importance is that we reach out and receive in love,

in a celebration of oneness that is sharing.

We might and many of us do, share with animals,

with a pet. We may give and receive love

unconditionally,joyously,in a recognition of

oneness and joy.We may share with a plant,watering

it with love.We may share with a stranger with a

spontaneous smile or nod.We may share with a small

child,with a hug or laughter.We can share with the

young and the old,men and women,humans or animals,

rich or poor-through language or through touch,

through laughter or through tears. One might even

share one's togetherness with another,in silence

and stillness,in the unconditional acceptance of

the way things are.In the spontaneous giving and

receiving of love in a million different ways is

sharing.

As our civilisations progress, as man gets lost

in materialistic pursuits, as we increase the

separation between ourselves and nature and

between each other, as each individual gets buried

in his own little cocoon, isolated and alienated

from another, as the harshness and conflict, the

competitiveness of the world often stares us in

the face and overtakes us, as it often threatens

to overwhelm us, in this moment, where it may seem

least deserving, it is needed most - a spontaneous

receptivity and reaching out with love. Now, more

than ever, we need to communicate and share. In

the devastating isolation and alienation of our

concrete jungles, in the oppressive burden of

competition and conflict, we need more than ever

the spontaneity, the stillness, the emptiness

and the receptivity that will enable us to give

and receive with love. What we give and receive

is secondary, what is important is that we give

and receive with love, in a sharing that celebrates

our essential oneness. To live is to share and to

share is to celebrate our oneness with love.

Ashok Gollerkeri

ashok_gollerkeri@...

Copyright© 2002 Ashok Gollerkeri

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SharingForSelfEnquiry

http://www.spiritualsisters.com/spiritual-healing_veggiebar.htm

[Guest guest]

the work is not about need, smile.

The need to communicate and share

As I see it, we are, all of us on this planet, like a million

waves in a single ocean- related to each other, whether we

acknowledge it or not. I am one wave in this vast ocean of

humanity, you are another and it is inevitable that we shall

meet, communicate and share - as one human being to another.

In this sharing, there is no superior or inferior, no teacher

or taught, no leader or follower. We meet as waves in a single

ocean, in a oneness beyond description. In this sharing, in

this reaching out, in this speaking and listening, from one

human being to another is the warmth, the tenderness and the

love of being essentially one.

Obviously, to share means to reach out, to break out of one's

shell of isolation, of alienation, of a seemingly separate

existence. Further, this reaching out has to be spontaneous,

not demanded or forced. One has to feel comfortable with it.

There maybe several experiences which we feel insecure about,

where we feel more secure in our own comfortable, self

protective shell. One might feel vulnerable and exposed, to

share everything one has experienced. On the other hand,

there may be several experiences which one eagerly wishes

to share. Essentially then, sharing should be a spontaneous

outpouring of the heart which reaches out in joy and love.

There may be aspects of one's life which one may wish to

share with only a few, maybe family or friends. There may

be aspects which one can share with anyone. Sharing does

not necessarily imply telling everything to everybody.

Each one is entitled to one's privacy, to one's own

values, one's own thoughts and feelings. To share cannot

mean a demand that everyone express an opinion. Sharing

cannot be demanded or enforced. It can only be invited

and received with love and affection, with mutual respect.

Sharing does not demand, it merely reaches out with love

and listens with patience. It does not seek to sit in

judgement, to condemn or even correct, nor even to

criticise. Sharing, to my mind, is to reach out in love

to another and to receive the other in a spirit of

oneness. It implies no claim to knowledge, wisdom,

superiority or greatness. On the other hand, it

implies an emptiness that is receptive to what

another can give. It implies an empty cup willing

to be filled with what another offers with love.

It is a spontaneous reaching out and receptivity to love.

Man is a thinking animal. He therefore tends to think

more than he feels. This, in fact, may be at the very

root of our many problems - our discontent, our

insecurity and conflict. Thought itself is based on

the notion of a separate thinker. The fact of a separate

entity who is thinking is a tacit assumption of all thought.

It therefore presupposes separation between the thinker

and the rest of creation, between the thinker and the

thought, between subject and object. Thought demands a

pattern it labels as logic or reason and rejects all that

does not fall into this limited pattern as absurd.

Therefore, the thought process may actually be man's

greatest barrier to the discovery of his own awareness.

Herein lies the importance of feeling, the subtle, gentle

and often hidden impulses from our heart, those faint

stirrings from the depths of our own consciousness.

These are often merely felt, may defy expresion,logic

and verbalisation.Yet,these gentle signals from deep

within us, might be the language of the infinite

intelligence that makes life meaningful, the source

of all love, peace and joy. Are we quiet enough to

listen to the gentle stirrings of our own soul? Are we

sensitive and gentle, loving in our response to these

gentle stirrings? Or, are we turning a deaf ear in the

vanity of our own accumulated notions, in the sterile

patterns of our own limited and repetitive reasoning and

intelligence? Can we empty our mind of its accumulated

notions to abide in a stillness where we can feel and

respond to the loving stirrings from the soul?

I dont refer to soul as a magical, metaphysical entity

that outlives the body. I talk of it as the light of

infinite intelligence that enables our very ability to

be aware, that substratum of consciousness that enables

continuity of experience, that witnesses the interplay

of the pairs of opposites in our life - joy and sorrow,

pain and pleasure. I refer to it as the unseen observer

who is present in our every observation, in our every

experience.

To my mind, sharing lies in meeting at the level of

oneness, in a continuum of consciousness, where the

unreality of separation between you and me are felt

by both. It is like the point when two waves crash

against each other in a movement that encompasses

and transcends both. In this magic meeting, our

separateness is overcome and we abide in the joy

and bliss of sharing. All of us experience this

feeling of reaching out and welcoming with love,

within various relationships - maybe with a spouse,

a lover, a child, a parent, a teacher or a friend.

Here again, the specific activity or person that

we share with is secondary. What is of the greatest

importance is that we reach out and receive in love,

in a celebration of oneness that is sharing.

We might and many of us do, share with animals,

with a pet. We may give and receive love

unconditionally,joyously,in a recognition of

oneness and joy.We may share with a plant,watering

it with love.We may share with a stranger with a

spontaneous smile or nod.We may share with a small

child,with a hug or laughter.We can share with the

young and the old,men and women,humans or animals,

rich or poor-through language or through touch,

through laughter or through tears. One might even

share one's togetherness with another,in silence

and stillness,in the unconditional acceptance of

the way things are.In the spontaneous giving and

receiving of love in a million different ways is

sharing.

As our civilisations progress, as man gets lost

in materialistic pursuits, as we increase the

separation between ourselves and nature and

between each other, as each individual gets buried

in his own little cocoon, isolated and alienated

from another, as the harshness and conflict, the

competitiveness of the world often stares us in

the face and overtakes us, as it often threatens

to overwhelm us, in this moment, where it may seem

least deserving, it is needed most - a spontaneous

receptivity and reaching out with love. Now, more

than ever, we need to communicate and share. In

the devastating isolation and alienation of our

concrete jungles, in the oppressive burden of

competition and conflict, we need more than ever

the spontaneity, the stillness, the emptiness

and the receptivity that will enable us to give

and receive with love. What we give and receive

is secondary, what is important is that we give

and receive with love, in a sharing that celebrates

our essential oneness. To live is to share and to

share is to celebrate our oneness with love.

Ashok Gollerkeri

ashok_gollerkeri@...

Copyright© 2002 Ashok Gollerkeri

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SharingForSelfEnquiry

http://www.spiritualsisters.com/spiritual-healing_veggiebar.htm

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In a message dated Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:09:37 +0100, mary_ashley@...

writes:

> OK, I'm pissed off with receiving these Ashok guy's posts

Today's is the first one I've managed to see, tho I've read the complaints. His

others must have been awfully inappropriate to generate so much anger, since

today's was perfectly inoffensive and conveyed a nice reminder in the midst of

daily duties. Gosh, I'd expected to find something at least controversial.

Could it be that his message isn't so much the problem as that he isn't

following the 'rules' of the list and 's work. What would be true if there

weren't any rules?

Lia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/24/02 1:57:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> I have not read a single comlete email from Ashok, because I haven't seen

> anything related to the work

Oh gosh, isn't that like saying I was looking for some roses to make a

bouquet and all I found was common daisies. Darn it. Why not enjoy the

daisy for what it is. After all, glancing at one doesn't mean that you can't

keep picking roses.

Is it really true that others should honor the agreement of the list " or

leave " ? What if he happened to say something that was of use to someone else

-- just not you?

Do you KNOW that nothing he has said has had any value to any one

participating on this list?

And so on.....

Lia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/24/02 5:19:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> Are you having trouble accepting that I choose to delete Ashok's email for

> my own reasons?

>

I'm having trouble that you think that people like Ashok should leave the

list because YOU don't like his posts. I think that taking care of yourself

by deleting is a healthy response to posts you don't appreciate. But why

impose your views on all of us and say that NONE of us should have access to

the contributions of someone who annoys you???

Lia

[Guest guest]

Lia

how about agreements instead of the rules.

I come here to do the work and support others in the work.

As I understand things, so have the others on this list.

So when people put " non-topic " stuff on the list, my time is used to filter

it out.

In order to manage my time,

I can ask them to stick to the topic (ie, honor the agreement)

or if they don't, ask the list owner to do something about it,

or just delete their emails.

I would prefer that others honor the agreement for this list or they leave.

If they don't I am learning here to find ways to take care of myself. So I

use the delete key a lot. (and do the work when I want to change them.)

I have not read a single comlete email from Ashok, because I haven't seen

anything related to the work and that is where I focus and so I use the

delete key.

It's not worth an ounce of my energy to try to change another, when I learn

that it is me who needs the changing (new awarenesses).

steve

Re: The need to communicate and share

In a message dated Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:09:37 +0100, mary_ashley@...

writes:

> OK, I'm pissed off with receiving these Ashok guy's posts

Today's is the first one I've managed to see, tho I've read the complaints.

His others must have been awfully inappropriate to generate so much anger,

since today's was perfectly inoffensive and conveyed a nice reminder in the

midst of daily duties. Gosh, I'd expected to find something at least

controversial.

Could it be that his message isn't so much the problem as that he isn't

following the 'rules' of the list and 's work. What would be true if

there weren't any rules?

Lia

[Guest guest]

Steve,

You need to change, is it true?

When I answer that lately I see it is not true and, is there anything

here TO change?

From where I sit you appear to be doing Steve perfectly .

Lovingly,

L.

> Lia

> how about agreements instead of the rules.

> I come here to do the work and support others in the work.

> As I understand things, so have the others on this list.

> So when people put " non-topic " stuff on the list, my time is used

to filter

> it out.

> In order to manage my time,

> I can ask them to stick to the topic (ie, honor the agreement)

> or if they don't, ask the list owner to do something about it,

> or just delete their emails.

>

> I would prefer that others honor the agreement for this list or

they leave.

> If they don't I am learning here to find ways to take care of

myself. So I

> use the delete key a lot. (and do the work when I want to change

them.)

>

> I have not read a single comlete email from Ashok, because I

haven't seen

> anything related to the work and that is where I focus and so I use

the

> delete key.

>

> It's not worth an ounce of my energy to try to change another, when

I learn

> that it is me who needs the changing (new awarenesses).

>

>

> steve

[Guest guest]

Which steve am I doing perfectly?

Who is steve?

Who am I that thinks I need to change?

Is there such thing as change?

What is a thought?

How about the beauty in the phrase that is interpreted painfully: " I have

no life. " If there is an " I " than does it really have a life? If there is

no " I " maybe that's when life starts.

steve, the slaw, whoever

Re: The need to communicate and share

Steve,

You need to change, is it true?

When I answer that lately I see it is not true and, is there anything

here TO change?

From where I sit you appear to be doing Steve perfectly .

Lovingly,

L.

> Lia

> how about agreements instead of the rules.

> I come here to do the work and support others in the work.

> As I understand things, so have the others on this list.

> So when people put " non-topic " stuff on the list, my time is used

to filter

> it out.

> In order to manage my time,

> I can ask them to stick to the topic (ie, honor the agreement)

> or if they don't, ask the list owner to do something about it,

> or just delete their emails.

>

> I would prefer that others honor the agreement for this list or

they leave.

> If they don't I am learning here to find ways to take care of

myself. So I

> use the delete key a lot. (and do the work when I want to change

them.)

>

> I have not read a single comlete email from Ashok, because I

haven't seen

> anything related to the work and that is where I focus and so I use

the

> delete key.

>

> It's not worth an ounce of my energy to try to change another, when

I learn

> that it is me who needs the changing (new awarenesses).

>

>

> steve

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I also agree that one persons work doesn't necessarily sound like

everyone else's. Sometimes I read all of Ashok's messages, there are

other times when I look for me in them and it is not my time to find it!

So I can delete.

I can find a lecture tone. And oh can I ever see me!!!! I can see how

I respond, how I " draw away " instead of " embrace " and I say " aha " April

this lesson is so for you! LOL I find the " love " parts in words and in

my owning of " those lengthy messages " .

When I am searching for the truth sometimes I need to define it, almost

dissect it to find a comfortable place for it.of course when I am done

with spinning in " that story " I realize that the stories come and go as

do the " categories " so I may as well love " what is " instead of

" reasoning it " . I have done that for too many years and while I thought

I had it down.nawwww. I just sounded very smart! LOL I didn't see.

I could spell " love " but I didn't feel it the way I do now.

I am not suggesting that this is Ashoks adventure here at all! This is

MY adventure with his words at times. At other times, I listen to hear

if I am spelling or feeling. Other times I delete!

April

[Guest guest]

This is wonderfully put, April!

Sharyn

----- Original Message -----

> other times when I look for me in them and it is not my time to find it!

[Guest guest]

Smile

Re: The need to communicate and share

This is wonderfully put, April!

Sharyn

----- Original Message -----

> other times when I look for me in them and it is not my time to find it!

[Guest guest]

So I am confused here and would like some understanding.

Are your comments to me about something going on with you?

Are you having trouble accepting that I choose to delete Ashok's email for

my own reasons?

Are you wanting me to be different than what I am?

And finally, am I wanting you to be different than who you are in even

dialoging with you?

steve

Re: The need to communicate and share

In a message dated 10/24/02 1:57:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> I have not read a single comlete email from Ashok, because I haven't seen

> anything related to the work

Oh gosh, isn't that like saying I was looking for some roses to make a

bouquet and all I found was common daisies. Darn it. Why not enjoy the

daisy for what it is. After all, glancing at one doesn't mean that you

can't

keep picking roses.

Is it really true that others should honor the agreement of the list " or

leave " ? What if he happened to say something that was of use to someone

else

-- just not you?

Do you KNOW that nothing he has said has had any value to any one

participating on this list?

And so on.....

Lia

[Guest guest]

So this is about you and your level of discomfort?

Re: The need to communicate and share

In a message dated 10/24/02 5:19:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> Are you having trouble accepting that I choose to delete Ashok's email for

> my own reasons?

>

I'm having trouble that you think that people like Ashok should leave the

list because YOU don't like his posts. I think that taking care of yourself

by deleting is a healthy response to posts you don't appreciate. But why

impose your views on all of us and say that NONE of us should have access to

the contributions of someone who annoys you???

Lia

[Guest guest]

I tried to be as open and loving as I was aware of in responding without

taking on what you were saying. REading what I wrote, I doubt I was.

So here it goes:

Are you irritated because you would like all contributions here to be

valued? Are you wanting everyone to respect each other and honor where each

of is?

steve

Re: The need to communicate and share

In a message dated 10/24/02 5:19:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> Are you having trouble accepting that I choose to delete Ashok's email for

> my own reasons?

>

I'm having trouble that you think that people like Ashok should leave the

list because YOU don't like his posts. I think that taking care of yourself

by deleting is a healthy response to posts you don't appreciate. But why

impose your views on all of us and say that NONE of us should have access to

the contributions of someone who annoys you???

Lia

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:09:37 +0100, mary_ashley@n...

writes:

>

> > OK, I'm pissed off with receiving these Ashok guy's posts

>

> Today's is the first one I've managed to see, tho I've read the

complaints. His others must have been awfully inappropriate to

generate so much anger, since today's was perfectly inoffensive and

conveyed a nice reminder in the midst of daily duties. Gosh, I'd

expected to find something at least controversial.

>

> Could it be that his message isn't so much the problem as that he

isn't following the 'rules' of the list and 's work. What would

be true if there weren't any rules?

>

> Lia

good point lia. If a button is pushed perhaps some inquiry is in order.

I am wondering what is up when a person comes in with so much heady

material without warming up to the people he hopes to address. The

need to communicate is strong I suspect.

We need to communicate. Is it true? Don't we just communicate naturally?

Hey Ashok, Hello. Introduce yourself and tell us a bit about you.

Let's have a dialogue. That feels warmer than a monologue.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Friends,

Isn't it funny how much misunderstanding gets generated just in the act of

reading and responding to e-mail posts? (Yes, Lia, anyone can love the busy,

scurrying, conflict-producing mind; unless we think we can't!)

Mona feeling different about Ashok because she thought it was jml.

Helen preferring jml's long posts over Ashok's and jml thanking her for that.

People needing to know and understand one another's ego self before hearing

them.

Steve and Lia in clarification over d_Tepet (or Ashok).

Rules, agreements, vows, scrolling, deleting...

Here's something I feel I need to communicate and share:

E-mails are coming into my In-Box upside-down (most recent first). Then you

have to scroll to the bottom and click on Previous instead of Next, if you

want to read them in chronological order. Is anybody else? Some recent posts

on LWI sound like others are reading their e-mail backwards as well.

Just for the record: I am grateful to everyone here.

> Now here's the question I find myself asking -- Can one love the mind that

> is always busy scurrying to produce conflict???? That's one for me to work

> through ...

[Guest guest]

Steve, I really enjoying seeing you arrive at your turnarounds.

They help me see outside the box of general turnarounds I create...and show

me the potential for more play with them. I think too, the value for me is in

seeing your explanation of how you may use that turnaround in your life...the

commentary that follows your TAs as you bring them into yourself. : )

Thank you : )

*mona

------------

theslaw@... writes:

> TA: I should be accused of something I didn't do.

> Of course, It happens, and each time I react, I get to do the

> work and find the truth.

> I should not accuse others of something they didn't do.

> Ouch, touched a nerve there. Reminds me of all the times I

> say that somebody is doing something, and later find out it

> was me that was doing that. So, I should, until I learn the truth.

> I should (but it's more fun to do it on paper and do the work)

> I should accuse myself of something that I didn't do.

> Like being a failure, of failure, of being bad, unworthy, unlovable

> different, separate, worthless, etc. I should until I don't, until

> until I learn the truth.

> I should'nt accuse myself of something that I didn't do.

> That touches my heart. A loving place to be.

[Guest guest]

Lia

Now I get what was up for me.

I had no issue with Ashok's post. I just wasn't interested in reading them.

In the past, I had seom come up with others and learned that it gives me an

opportunity to do the work.

In this case, was my fear about being lumped in with those who had an issue.

I should not be accused of something I didn't do.

1. No, it happens.

3. scared, afraid of not belonging of being alone and unloved.

4. enjoying others perceptions of things and the confusion.

TA: I should be accused of something I didn't do.

Of course, It happens, and each time I react, I get to do the

work and find the truth.

I should not accuse others of something they didn't do.

Ouch, touched a nerve there. Reminds me of all the times I

say that somebody is doing something, and later find out it

was me that was doing that. So, I should, until I learn the truth.

I should (but it's more fun to do it on paper and do the work)

I should accuse myself of something that I didn't do.

Like being a failure, of failure, of being bad, unworthy, unlovable

different, separate, worthless, etc. I should until I don't, until

until I learn the truth.

I should'nt accuse myself of something that I didn't do.

That touches my heart. A loving place to be.

And there is more work from the judgments, within the work, to be done or

not.

thanks Lia for being my buddha

steve

Re: The need to communicate and share

In a message dated 10/24/2002 7:43:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> Are you wanting everyone to respect each other and honor

> where each

> of is?

Here I am breaking my vow of two minutes ago. But I don't sense that there

is any argument in this statement so I feel quite fine about responding.

Yes, I do value respect. Respect for Ashok in whatever journey he's on,

respect for you being irritated, and respect for me in not being irritated.

We don't have to all think the same to give that respect, or hold back what

we think to avoid antagonizing someone else. I began by being bemused that

there was such a strong reaction to Ashok's inoffensive effusions, and I'm

even more bemused at the dissension because not everyone reacts the same

way. The whole thing is a great object lesson as to how all of our minds

generate needless tension by resisting what is. No wonder we have trouble

accepting the big stuff, like loss, death, illness, etc. Now here's the

question I find myself asking -- Can one love the mind that is always busy

scrurrying to produce conflict???? That's one for me to work through this

evening when I'm home and not stealing a few minutes away from work.

Lia

[Guest guest]

Or read it, react and do the work, or don't. It's all perfect. (is that

true?)

I love when I get back to that playful loving place, where I see the love

and bearuty behind the pain.

thank you all

Re: The need to communicate and share

Lia

That really is my point, if ya don't like it, don't read it....To anything

posted here.

Re: The need to communicate and share

In a message dated 10/24/2002 7:43:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

theslaw@... writes:

> Are you wanting everyone to respect each other and honor

> where each

> of is?

Here I am breaking my vow of two minutes ago. But I don't sense that

there is any argument in this statement so I feel quite fine about

responding. Yes, I do value respect. Respect for Ashok in whatever journey

he's on, respect for you being irritated, and respect for me in not being

irritated. We don't have to all think the same to give that respect, or

hold back what we think to avoid antagonizing someone else. I began by

being bemused that there was such a strong reaction to Ashok's inoffensive

effusions, and I'm even more bemused at the dissension because not everyone

reacts the same way. The whole thing is a great object lesson as to how all

of our minds generate needless tension by resisting what is. No wonder we

have trouble accepting the big stuff, like loss, death, illness, etc. Now

here's the question I find myself asking -- Can one love the mind that is

always busy scrurrying to produce conflict???? That's one for me to work

through this evening when I'm home and not stealing a few minutes away from

work.

Lia

[Guest guest]

" Let the mind ask the questions, and let the heart answer them " ......Byron

Re: The need to communicate and share

Hi Friends,

Isn't it funny how much misunderstanding gets generated just in the act of

reading and responding to e-mail posts? (Yes, Lia, anyone can love the busy,

scurrying, conflict-producing mind; unless we think we can't!)

Mona feeling different about Ashok because she thought it was jml.

Helen preferring jml's long posts over Ashok's and jml thanking her for that.

People needing to know and understand one another's ego self before hearing

them.

Steve and Lia in clarification over d_Tepet (or Ashok).

Rules, agreements, vows, scrolling, deleting...

Here's something I feel I need to communicate and share:

E-mails are coming into my In-Box upside-down (most recent first). Then you

have to scroll to the bottom and click on Previous instead of Next, if you

want to read them in chronological order. Is anybody else? Some recent posts

on LWI sound like others are reading their e-mail backwards as well.

Just for the record: I am grateful to everyone here.

> Now here's the question I find myself asking -- Can one love the mind that

> is always busy scurrying to produce conflict???? That's one for me to work

> through ...