Re: Question that will cause sparks but must ask

October 22, 2005

You have to be a total idiot and completely ignorant if you smoke knowing

you have asthma.

Sue

Question that will cause sparks but must ask

> How many of you that have asthma, smoke? I do. Not asking for sympathy

> just trying to see if anyone else smokes and has asthma so I can ask

> some wierd questions.

>

> Leona

>

October 22, 2005

Thanks for the positive post. Maybe others fear this reaction, thats

why they wont post. I'm glad that I don't know you to where your

opinion would actually matter to me. Please do not reply to my post

since it did not apply to you. I do not appreciate the name calling

nor do I appreciate your negativity.

Leona

October 22, 2005

Lots of people with asthma smoke - I have friend who says it opens her lungs better than inhalers.

I often think of my father-in-law, in a nursing home and in a wheel chair, smoking while he was on oxygen. And when we mentioned he might want to NOT smoke while using an oxygen tank, he gestured at the other old folks in wheel chairs and said "All of them smoke."

Not to mention all of the staff smoked...it was enough to make you quit.

I don't smoke but is it really any different than having a pet if you are allergic to them or eating food you are allergic to in terms of doing things we shouldn't???

erica - not throwing any stones...

October 23, 2005

My old neighbor lady said that she had less coughing attacks when she

was smoking. I know that it causes problems, thats obvious, but it's

strange that some ppl do have positive affects from it. My Dad smoked

forever.. Never once had lung issues. Yet some ppl that don't do.

Leona

October 23, 2005

HI Leona,

I don't smoke but I have a husband who does smoke. I don't like it and wish he would quit smoking. He tries to be careful around me and he knows it's not good for me at all.

Quiting is very difficult. He has tried and you know as much as someone says they want to quit - it's a lot harder than said.

For someone who does smoke and wants to quit, I just keep encouraging him on the benefits to not smoking. We take it one step at a time.

vonnie

Leona wrote:

How many of you that have asthma, smoke? I do. Not asking for sympathy just trying to see if anyone else smokes and has asthma so I can ask some wierd questions.Leona

October 23, 2005

Leona-

I actually heard from a person who either is still in the group or may have

left the group since the argument, who had asthma and still smoked because the

cigarette was actually helping them.

--- Leona wrote:

> Thanks for the positive post. Maybe others fear this reaction, thats

> why they wont post. I'm glad that I don't know you to where your

> opinion would actually matter to me. Please do not reply to my post

> since it did not apply to you. I do not appreciate the name calling

> nor do I appreciate your negativity.

>

> Leona

>

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October 23, 2005

Your friend is an ignorant moron and I am sure her doctor would agree. Insisting on smoking when you have asthma is no different than insisting on eating sugary sweets knowing you have diabetes or salty snacks knowing you have high blood pressure. It's irresponsible and self destructive.

Anyone who values a vile, filthy, disgusting habit like smoking over their own health needs psychiatric help.

Re: Re: Question that will cause sparks but must ask

Lots of people with asthma smoke - I have friend who says it opens her lungs better than inhalers.

I often think of my father-in-law, in a nursing home and in a wheel chair, smoking while he was on oxygen. And when we mentioned he might want to NOT smoke while using an oxygen tank, he gestured at the other old folks in wheel chairs and said "All of them smoke."

Not to mention all of the staff smoked...it was enough to make you quit.

I don't smoke but is it really any different than having a pet if you are allergic to them or eating food you are allergic to in terms of doing things we shouldn't???

erica - not throwing any stones...

October 23, 2005

Your neighbor is fooling herself. There are absolutely NO postive effects of

a filthy, digusting thing like smoking.

Re: Question that will cause sparks but must ask

> My old neighbor lady said that she had less coughing attacks when she

> was smoking. I know that it causes problems, thats obvious, but it's

> strange that some ppl do have positive affects from it. My Dad smoked

> forever.. Never once had lung issues. Yet some ppl that don't do.

>

> Leona

October 23, 2005

That person is a pathetic FOOL if he thinks smoking helps his asthma.

Re: Re: Question that will cause sparks but must ask

> Leona-

>

> I actually heard from a person who either is still in the group or may

have

> left the group since the argument, who had asthma and still smoked because

the

> cigarette was actually helping them.

>

=

October 23, 2005

Sue-

It was an argument actually that happened off the beaten path, but here in the

group.

I tried to argue it with them, but I was unsuccessful. (I know a lot regarding

the effects of smoking. I was in an anti-tobacco group for two years.)

Shell

--- Sue wrote:

> That person is a pathetic FOOL if he thinks smoking helps his asthma.

>

> Re: Re: Question that will cause sparks but must ask

>

> > Leona-

> >

> > I actually heard from a person who either is still in the group or may

> have

> > left the group since the argument, who had asthma and still smoked because

> the

> > cigarette was actually helping them.

> >

> =

>

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October 23, 2005

Where are you getting your information from???

For one thing - some diabetics NEED sugar in their diet - it's called Hypo-glycemia.

With this kind of diabetes - the blood sugar levels drop considerably low and the insulin levels are incredibly high. What causes this is either the diabetic has taken too much insulin; they haven't eaten enough during the day; they have incorporated exercising in their day and have burned off more sugar than they have accounted for in their dietary plan.

The first aid for any diabetic emergency is: If the casualty is conscious enough - give them something to eat or drinnk with SUGAR in it. The reason being - if the person is hypoglycemic then the sugar will help them. If the person is hyperglycemic (meaning sugar levels are too high and the insulin levels are too low) no long term harm will be done. Generally speaking a first aider will not know what type of diabetic emergency they are dealing with, so the first aid protocol will be the same.

In other words - before you choose to compare diabetes and asthma - KNOW YOUR FACTS.

Yes smoking is not good for someone who is asthmatic, but then again it's not good for anyone regardless of whether or not they have a lung disease.

As for your choice of words - certainly you can tone it down and be nice. This group is here to offer support - not to criticize and call people ugly names.

Sue wrote:

Your friend is an ignorant moron and I am sure her doctor would agree. Insisting on smoking when you have asthma is no different than insisting on eating sugary sweets knowing you have diabetes or salty snacks knowing you have high blood pressure. It's irresponsible and self destructive.

Anyone who values a vile, filthy, disgusting habit like smoking over their own health needs psychiatric help.

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October 23, 2005

I know my facts-my grandmother was diabetic and I helped her test her sugar levels and with her insulin shots. Diabetics need to be very careful when it comes to sugar and alcohol...so you even know what diabetes is? They can not regulate their blood sugar! Hypoglycemia is an entirely different disease-it's not diabetes. Diabetics' pancreas's do not produce insulin like they are supposed to. You are talking about diabetic coma..that's what happens to diabetics that don't watch their diets-they need to eat small meals throughout the day and can't skip meals or their sugar levels get dangerously low. The opposite is Insulin shock, where their sugar gets too high and they can appear drunk. Both conditions can kill if the sugar levels are not regulated in time. Please show me a reliable medical source that says diabetics can eat all the sugary sweets they want just like non diabetics! Perhaps YOU need to get YOUR facts straight!

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Where are you getting your information from???

For one thing - some diabetics NEED sugar in their diet - it's called Hypo-glycemia.

With this kind of diabetes - the blood sugar levels drop considerably low and the insulin levels are incredibly high. What causes this is either the diabetic has taken too much insulin; they haven't eaten enough during the day; they have incorporated exercising in their day and have burned off more sugar than they have accounted for in their dietary plan.

The first aid for any diabetic emergency is: If the casualty is conscious enough - give them something to eat or drinnk with SUGAR in it. The reason being - if the person is hypoglycemic then the sugar will help them. If the person is hyperglycemic (meaning sugar levels are too high and the insulin levels are too low) no long term harm will be done. Generally speaking a first aider will not know what type of diabetic emergency they are dealing with, so the first aid protocol will be the same.

In other words - before you choose to compare diabetes and asthma - KNOW YOUR FACTS.

Yes smoking is not good for someone who is asthmatic, but then again it's not good for anyone regardless of whether or not they have a lung disease.

As for your choice of words - certainly you can tone it down and be nice. This group is here to offer support - not to criticize and call people ugly names.

Sue wrote:

Your friend is an ignorant moron and I am sure her doctor would agree. Insisting on smoking when you have asthma is no different than insisting on eating sugary sweets knowing you have diabetes or salty snacks knowing you have high blood pressure. It's irresponsible and self destructive.

Anyone who values a vile, filthy, disgusting habit like smoking over their own health needs psychiatric help.

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October 23, 2005

Sue..

A cup of orange juice is given to shock victims with insulin problems.

your friend

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October 23, 2005

of course Sue it is only a small amount

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October 23, 2005

I'm aware of that. When a diabetic is having a low blood sugar crisis, yes they are given sugar. My point was that in general diabetics are instructed to watch their intake of sugar and alcohol. When a diabetic takes his insulin properly, checks his blood sugar regularly, and watches his diet, such crisis's are RARE.

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Sue..

A cup of orange juice is given to shock victims with insulin problems.

your friend

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October 23, 2005

Actually Sue I do know what diabetes is - I'm a First Aid and C.P.R. Instructor! I teach first aid courses every month and have taught these courses for years now.

Hypoglycemia and Hyperglycemia IS diabetes. You may know it as type 1 or type 2 diabetes.

Hypoglycemia:

It happens when there is not enough sugar in the bloodstream. Insulin levels are too high.

Causes: taking too much insulin. Failing to eat enough. Over-exercising and burning off sugar faster than normal.

Effects: not enough sugar for the brain to work and the person will become unconscious if this situation is not corrected soon enough.

Hyperglycemia:

Insulin levels in the body are too low. Sugar levels in the blood are too high.

Causes: The body tries to get energy from stored food and energy sources such as fats. This makes the blood more acidic.

Effects: The person becomes extremely ill and can fall into a diabetic coma if it's not corrected.

First aid for any diabetic emergency:

Have the casualty sit down if they are conscious. Give the casualty food/drink with sugar in it.

If the person is unconscious, do NOT try to give that person anything to eat or drink. call EMS.

I did not say they can eat ALL the sugar they want to - I did say the first aid protocol is to give something WITH SUGAR if they are conscious because if the person has hypo-glycemia the sugar will benefit them and bring their levels back up to a reasonable amount!

People with low blood sugar levels BENEFIT from eating/drinking something with SUGAR in it - orange juice, sandwich with honey, chocolate bar - any of those things will HELP someone who has low blood sugar.

Sue wrote:

I know my facts-my grandmother was diabetic and I helped her test her sugar levels and with her insulin shots. Diabetics need to be very careful when it comes to sugar and alcohol...so you even know what diabetes is? They can not regulate their blood sugar! Hypoglycemia is an entirely different disease-it's not diabetes. Diabetics' pancreas's do not produce insulin like they are supposed to. You are talking about diabetic coma..that's what happens to diabetics that don't watch their diets-they need to eat small meals throughout the day and can't skip meals or their sugar levels get dangerously low. The opposite is Insulin shock, where their sugar gets too high and they can appear drunk. Both conditions can kill if the sugar levels are not regulated in time. Please show me a reliable medical source that says diabetics can eat all the sugary sweets they want just like non diabetics! Perhaps YOU need to get YOUR facts straight!

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Where are you getting your information from???

For one thing - some diabetics NEED sugar in their diet - it's called Hypo-glycemia.

With this kind of diabetes - the blood sugar levels drop considerably low and the insulin levels are incredibly high. What causes this is either the diabetic has taken too much insulin; they haven't eaten enough during the day; they have incorporated exercising in their day and have burned off more sugar than they have accounted for in their dietary plan.

The first aid for any diabetic emergency is: If the casualty is conscious enough - give them something to eat or drinnk with SUGAR in it. The reason being - if the person is hypoglycemic then the sugar will help them. If the person is hyperglycemic (meaning sugar levels are too high and the insulin levels are too low) no long term harm will be done. Generally speaking a first aider will not know what type of diabetic emergency they are dealing with, so the first aid protocol will be the same.

In other words - before you choose to compare diabetes and asthma - KNOW YOUR FACTS.

Yes smoking is not good for someone who is asthmatic, but then again it's not good for anyone regardless of whether or not they have a lung disease.

As for your choice of words - certainly you can tone it down and be nice. This group is here to offer support - not to criticize and call people ugly names.

Sue wrote:

Your friend is an ignorant moron and I am sure her doctor would agree. Insisting on smoking when you have asthma is no different than insisting on eating sugary sweets knowing you have diabetes or salty snacks knowing you have high blood pressure. It's irresponsible and self destructive.

Anyone who values a vile, filthy, disgusting habit like smoking over their own health needs psychiatric help.

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October 23, 2005

You're wrong. Just because you teach First Aid and CPR doesn't make you an medical expert. Type I and Type II diabetes are just that.

Hypo and Hyperglycemia are NOT DIABETES. PERIOD. Because I know you won't listen to me, maybe you'll believe WebMD.com:

Two Types of Diabetes

There are two main types of diabetes, Type I and Type II. Insulin-dependent, or Type I, diabetes affects about 5 percent of all diabetics. It's also known as juvenile diabetes because it often occurs in people under 35 and commonly appears in children or adolescents. For example, Tyler , a Type I diabetic who is international chairman of the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation, was diagnosed in her late 20s, following a miscarriage. A routine test found her blood sugar level was 750 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dl), as compared with the normal level, 70 mg/dl to 105 mg/dl. And Collie has been diabetic since age 17.

In Type I diabetes, the insulin-secreting cells of the pancreas are destroyed, with insulin production almost ceasing. Experts believe that this may be the result of an immune response after a viral infection.

Type I diabetics must inject insulin regularly under the skin. Insulin cannot be taken by mouth because it cannot be absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract into the bloodstream. Doses range from one or two up to five injections a day, adjusted in response to regular blood sugar monitoring.

Insulin regulates both blood sugar and the speed at which sugar moves into cells. Because food intake affects the cells' need for insulin and insulin's ability to lower blood sugar, the diet is the cornerstone of diabetes management: Insulin is not a replacement for proper diet.

If Type I diabetes goes untreated, a life-threatening condition called ketoacidosis can quickly develop. If this condition is not treated, coma and death will follow.

Type II, or non-insulin-dependent, diabetes is the most common type. It results when the body produces insufficient insulin to meet the body's needs, or when the cells of the body have become resistant to insulin's effect. While all Type I diabetics develop symptoms, only a third of those who have Type II diabetes develop symptoms. Many people suffer from a mild form of the disease and are unaware of it. Often it's diagnosed only after complications are detected.

When they occur, Type II symptoms usually include frequent urination, excessive thirst, fatigue, an increase in infections, blurred vision, tingling in hands or feet, impotence in men, and absence of menstrual periods in women.

Type II diabetes usually develops in people over 40, and it often runs in families. For instance, Pattie LaBelle was diagnosed with Type II diabetes at age 50, and her mother died of the disease.

Type II diabetes is often linked to obesity and inactivity and can often be controlled with diet and exercise alone. Type II diabetics sometimes use insulin, but usually oral medications are prescribed if diet and exercise alone do not control the disease.

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Where are you getting your information from???

For one thing - some diabetics NEED sugar in their diet - it's called Hypo-glycemia.

With this kind of diabetes - the blood sugar levels drop considerably low and the insulin levels are incredibly high. What causes this is either the diabetic has taken too much insulin; they haven't eaten enough during the day; they have incorporated exercising in their day and have burned off more sugar than they have accounted for in their dietary plan.

The first aid for any diabetic emergency is: If the casualty is conscious enough - give them something to eat or drinnk with SUGAR in it. The reason being - if the person is hypoglycemic then the sugar will help them. If the person is hyperglycemic (meaning sugar levels are too high and the insulin levels are too low) no long term harm will be done. Generally speaking a first aider will not know what type of diabetic emergency they are dealing with, so the first aid protocol will be the same.

In other words - before you choose to compare diabetes and asthma - KNOW YOUR FACTS.

Yes smoking is not good for someone who is asthmatic, but then again it's not good for anyone regardless of whether or not they have a lung disease.

As for your choice of words - certainly you can tone it down and be nice. This group is here to offer support - not to criticize and call people ugly names.

Sue wrote:

Your friend is an ignorant moron and I am sure her doctor would agree. Insisting on smoking when you have asthma is no different than insisting on eating sugary sweets knowing you have diabetes or salty snacks knowing you have high blood pressure. It's irresponsible and self destructive.

Anyone who values a vile, filthy, disgusting habit like smoking over their own health needs psychiatric help.

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October 23, 2005

NOOOO I am NOT wrong. THEY ARE DIABETES AND YOU CAN ASK THE RED CROSS OR ST.JOHN'S AMBULANCE OR EVEN YOUR OWN PHYSICIAN -

You just can't admit that you've made a mistake - you're so stuck on yourself and don't want to lose face by admitting that someone else is right.

I won't listen to you - because I KNOW my stuff - IF Hypoglycemia and Hyperglycemia were NOT a form of diabetes it wouldn't be in the First Aid handbooks and taught in any first aid course.

Just because your grandmother has diabetes - it does NOT mean you are an expert on the subject.

Who are you to pass along WRONG information that could cause someone to lose their life? Do you really want that hanging over your head?

I pity the person who has you there to try to provide first aid for them!

I'll pray that God will open your heart and your mind to the truth!

Sue wrote:

You're wrong. Just because you teach First Aid and CPR doesn't make you an medical expert. Type I and Type II diabetes are just that.

Hypo and Hyperglycemia are NOT DIABETES. PERIOD. Because I know you won't listen to me, maybe you'll believe WebMD.com:

Two Types of Diabetes There are two main types of diabetes, Type I and Type II. Insulin-dependent, or Type I, diabetes affects about 5 percent of all diabetics. It's also known as juvenile diabetes because it often occurs in people under 35 and commonly appears in children or adolescents. For example, Tyler , a Type I diabetic who is international chairman of the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation, was diagnosed in her late 20s, following a miscarriage. A routine test found her blood sugar level was 750 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dl), as compared with the normal level, 70 mg/dl to 105 mg/dl. And Collie has been diabetic since age 17.