Re: Dr. Derry and panic attacks

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Thanks very, very much, -

All I can say, is SONOFAB--CH!!!! (In my best Cartman voice)

I Googled “Dr. Derry” and found that he was hunted down and, I guess,

retired rather than have his license taken away, for treating his thyroid

patients in non-mainstream ways. Does anyone have more current info on this?

I’m too pooped to research the other links tonight. Here’s an excerpt from a

PR:

<http://www.ferlowbrothers.com/pr54.htm#bkgrd>

On June 11, 2002, the College of Physicians & Surgeons of British Columbia

succeeded in temporarily suspending the medical license of Dr. Derry, a

, British Columbia MD who has successfully treated about two

thousand thyroid patients. His success was often after specialists had been

unable to help these patients. The College did this after removing Dr.

Derry's thyroid prescribing privileges in November 2001 and assuring a

Supreme Court judge in December 2001 to investigate Dr. Derry's thyroid

treatment practices. Instead of carrying out their court assurances, they

looked through files of Dr. Derry's patients with other health conditions,

and used the non-thyroid-related deaths of two patients as grounds for

suspending his license.

The College had thus left Dr. Derry without the ability to prescribe thyroid

medication for seven months, and then without the means to earn a living.

This interim suspension had been planned to coincide shortly before summer,

when the College Executive Council members would be taking vacations. All

this had happened without a fair investigation into Dr. Derry's treatment

and despite his huge success in treating thyroid patients.

On June 25, a Supreme Court judge, Mr. Justice Pitfield, stated that

self-governing bodies must be more accountable. Unless the College holds an

investigation into Dr. Derry's treatment by September 30, 2002, the

suspension of Dr. Derry's thyroid prescribing privileges and medical license

will no longer be valid. This investigation, if it takes place, must be

based on clear evidence.

The College will tell you that this hearing is about a doctor whose

treatment is " dangerous. " Patients of Dr. Derry will tell you that it's

about a witch hunt of a successful MD who treats patients the way he was

taught in medical school because it works—but which doesn't fall in line

with what pharmaceutical companies push or what sometimes misleading lab

results may indicate.

We live in the dark ages. I was told that women represent 80% of panic

disorder. I think it’s the same for thyroid disease. Who wants to bother to

make the connection when you can throw antidepressants and anti-anxiety

agents at us, tell us we’re menopausal, and make us go away? Especially if

you are managed care. Or, on the other hand, you can give us the drugs and

also make us stay a long time for a lot of therapy fees, if you have private

insurance and money to pay!!

I would love to know how to research this and see how this connection has

been either ignored or underreported. I definitely will have to ask Dr.

about it when I next see him.

What a scandal. So much needless suffering. I need to go take my chill

pills. Grrrrrr.... sorry for the rant...

Sara

Courtenay, and others:

I was going through some old articles the other night and I found a letter

from a patient addressed to Dr. Derry. In his response, he talks a

little bit about panic disorder. I thought it might be helpful. I can't

provide a citation or a link, but I promise it's just a sentence or two ~~

He says: Anxiety is common in both hypothyroidism and hyper so it is not a

useful measure of your thyroid state. Panic disorder which is a more severe

form of anxiety is almost always low thyroid.

This could mean good news when your dose is optimized and you are not low

thyroid anymore.

Best~

[Guest guest]

Yippee! I hate these damn panic attacks. I

cannot wait until they become part of my distant, distant past.

Best--

Courtenay.

Courtenay, and others:

I was going through some old articles the other night and I found

a

letter from a patient addressed to Dr. Derry. In his

response,

he talks a little bit about panic disorder. I thought it might

be

helpful. I can't provide a citation or a link, but I promise

it's

just a sentence or two ~~

He says: Anxiety is common in both hypothyroidism and hyper so

it is

not a useful measure of your thyroid state. Panic disorder which

is

a more severe form of anxiety is almost always low thyroid.

This could mean good news when your dose is optimized and you are

not

low thyroid anymore.

Best~

[Guest guest]

It is not unusual for good thyroid docs to get skewered by their medical boards for failure to worship the Holy T$H. . . .Of course, his real crime was actually helping patients. Dr. Derry had a waiting room full of thyroid patients, while that of local endo Dr. Dilworth Dipstick, was empty.

Sara G wrote:

Thanks very, very much, -All I can say, is SONOFAB--CH!!!! (In my best Cartman voice)I Googled “Dr. Derry” and found that he was hunted down and, I guess, retired rather than have his license taken away, for treating his thyroid patients in non-mainstream ways. Does anyone have more current info on this? I’m too pooped to research the other links tonight. Here’s an excerpt from a PR:<http://www.ferlowbrothers.com/pr54.htm#bkgrd>On June 11, 2002, the College of Physicians & Surgeons of British Columbia succeeded in temporarily suspending the medical license of Dr. Derry, a , British Columbia MD who has successfully treated about two

thousand thyroid patients. His success was often after specialists had been unable to help these patients. The College did this after removing Dr. Derry's thyroid prescribing privileges in November 2001 and assuring a Supreme Court judge in December 2001 to investigate Dr. Derry's thyroid treatment practices. Instead of carrying out their court assurances, they looked through files of Dr. Derry's patients with other health conditions, and used the non-thyroid-related deaths of two patients as grounds for suspending his license.The College had thus left Dr. Derry without the ability to prescribe thyroid medication for seven months, and then without the means to earn a living. This interim suspension had been planned to coincide shortly before summer, when the College Executive Council members would be taking vacations. All this had happened without a fair investigation into Dr. Derry's treatment and despite his huge success

in treating thyroid patients.On June 25, a Supreme Court judge, Mr. Justice Pitfield, stated that self-governing bodies must be more accountable. Unless the College holds an investigation into Dr. Derry's treatment by September 30, 2002, the suspension of Dr. Derry's thyroid prescribing privileges and medical license will no longer be valid. This investigation, if it takes place, must be based on clear evidence.The College will tell you that this hearing is about a doctor whose treatment is "dangerous." Patients of Dr. Derry will tell you that it's about a witch hunt of a successful MD who treats patients the way he was taught in medical school because it works—but which doesn't fall in line with what pharmaceutical companies push or what sometimes misleading lab results may indicate.We live in the dark ages. I was told that women represent 80% of panic disorder. I think it’s the same for thyroid disease. Who wants to bother to make the connection when you can throw antidepressants and anti-anxiety agents at us, tell us we’re menopausal, and make us go away? Especially if you are managed care. Or, on the other hand, you can give us the drugs and also make us stay a long time for a lot of therapy fees, if you have private insurance and money to pay!!I would love to know how to research this and see how this connection has been either ignored or underreported. I definitely will have to ask Dr. about it when I next see him.What a scandal. So much needless suffering. I need to go take my chill pills. Grrrrrr.... sorry for the rant...Sara

Courtenay, and others:I was going through some old articles the other night and I found a letter from a patient addressed to Dr. Derry. In his response, he talks a little bit about panic disorder. I thought it might be helpful. I can't provide a citation or a link, but I promise it's just a sentence or two ~~He says: Anxiety is common in both hypothyroidism and hyper so it is not a useful measure of your thyroid state. Panic disorder which is a more severe form of anxiety is almost always low thyroid.This could mean good news when your dose is optimized and you are not low thyroid anymore.Best~

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Here's another like with an interview with Dr. Derry from 2000 on

thyroid.about.com by Shomon:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/drdavidderry/a/tshtests.htm

Courtenay.

Thanks very, very

much, -

All I can say, is SONOFAB--CH!!!! (In my best Cartman voice)

I Googled "Dr. Derry" and found that he was hunted down and,

I guess,

retired rather than have his license taken away, for treating his

thyroid

patients in non-mainstream ways. Does anyone have more current info on

this?

I'm too pooped to research the other links tonight. Here's an

excerpt from a

PR:

[Guest guest]

I've NEVER had a panic attack since I've been hypo, only when I was losing

weight down to 113 lbs, but still scarfing down anything I wanted to eat,

all day long. I have read and heard in various places that what you are

quoting from Derry is absolutely true, but it was not my experience at all.

I think it's different for different people, depending on what all their

brain chemistry is doing at the time. In my case, I am 100% sure that I was

very hyperthyroid. I now weigh approximately 155 lbs and look very normal

weighted at 5'6 " tall. Can you immagine me at 113 lbs!!?? The dumb doctors

did not get a clue as to the problem, and I believed them wholeheartedly at

that time. Hyper WAS my beginning stage of Hashi's, but I know that it

isn't for everyone though. I had constant free floating anxiety, punctuated

by heavy anxiety attacks, just as the psychiatric books put it. The day

(and I can mark it as in ONE day) that my thyroid failed, and I had these

heavy shakes every 3 to 4 hrs, it was like looking back at someone else. I

NEVER had another panic attack. No, I was beginning the nightmarish throws

of hypo then. Many people have said that they have heavy panic attacks

while hypo, though, so I can certainly believe this that you're saying.

Dr. Derry and panic attacks

>

>

> Courtenay, and others:

>

> I was going through some old articles the other night and I found a

> letter from a patient addressed to Dr. Derry. In his response,

> he talks a little bit about panic disorder. I thought it might be

> helpful. I can't provide a citation or a link, but I promise it's

> just a sentence or two ~~

>

> He says: Anxiety is common in both hypothyroidism and hyper so it is

> not a useful measure of your thyroid state. Panic disorder which is

> a more severe form of anxiety is almost always low thyroid.

>

> This could mean good news when your dose is optimized and you are not

> low thyroid anymore.

>

> Best~

>

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone,

I have hashi's but have never been hyper...have always felt the 'chronic fatigue' even when tests are normal. I basically have panic attacks b/c I am very easily overwhelmed, and I feel that this has to do with the fact that I am hypo and it is really hard for me to get things done. The times when I was medicated w/ amphetamines I was actually able to accomplish things, but now it takes me all day to finish a task that should only take a few hours. I panic b/c of school, and that the workload and deadlines overwhelm me...I panic when I have to wake up early in the morning (sometimes to the point where I just don't go to sleep at all if I have to wake up early).

Overall, I would say that the 'brain fog' causes anxiety, b/c sometimes i overreact to things or situations where I can't clearly see what is happening. I also have panic attacks around the time of my period.

I could imagine that a panic attack from being hyper is much like an overdose of Cytomel or Armour thyroid... and that is something I could do without ever experiencing again.

-

wrote:

I've NEVER had a panic attack since I've been hypo, only when I was losingweight down to 113 lbs, but still scarfing down anything I wanted to eat,all day long. I have read and heard in various places that what you arequoting from Derry is absolutely true, but it was not my experience at all.I think it's different for different people, depending on what all theirbrain chemistry is doing at the time. In my case, I am 100% sure that I wasvery hyperthyroid. I now weigh approximately 155 lbs and look very normalweighted at 5'6" tall. Can you immagine me at 113 lbs!!?? The dumb doctorsdid not get a clue as to the problem, and I believed them wholeheartedly atthat time. Hyper WAS my beginning stage of Hashi's, but I know that itisn't for everyone though. I had constant free floating anxiety,

punctuatedby heavy anxiety attacks, just as the psychiatric books put it. The day(and I can mark it as in ONE day) that my thyroid failed, and I had theseheavy shakes every 3 to 4 hrs, it was like looking back at someone else. INEVER had another panic attack. No, I was beginning the nightmarish throwsof hypo then. Many people have said that they have heavy panic attackswhile hypo, though, so I can certainly believe this that you're saying. Dr. Derry and panic attacks>>> Courtenay, and others:>> I was going through some old articles the other night and I found a> letter from a patient addressed to Dr. Derry. In his response,> he talks a

little bit about panic disorder. I thought it might be> helpful. I can't provide a citation or a link, but I promise it's> just a sentence or two ~~>> He says: Anxiety is common in both hypothyroidism and hyper so it is> not a useful measure of your thyroid state. Panic disorder which is> a more severe form of anxiety is almost always low thyroid.>> This could mean good news when your dose is optimized and you are not> low thyroid anymore.>> Best~> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sara!

And I couldn't agree more -- SONOFAB--CH!! I think I've heard about

what happened to Dr. Derry before but had forgotten in my be-

fogged brain. It is so sad and wrong, wrong, wrong that this can

happen in our society. What is going to happen when all the good

doctors have been picked off one by one? Then who is going to help

all the people (majority women) whose health is not going to be

improved by the major-pharma's synthetic hormones, their dangerous

anti-depressants and addictive pain killers and anti-anxiety drugs?

What about the quality of those people's lives? Grrrrrr ...

Patients HAVE to have the right to choose the therapies and the

doctors that work for them.

Go ahead and rant, Sara. We all need to, when we find out about

something like this.

Best~

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> >

> > Courtenay, and others:

> >

> > I was going through some old articles the other night and I

found a letter

> > from a patient addressed to Dr. Derry. In his response,

he talks a

> > little bit about panic disorder. I thought it might be

helpful. I can't

> > provide a citation or a link, but I promise it's just a sentence

or two ~~

> >

> > He says: Anxiety is common in both hypothyroidism and hyper so

it is not a

> > useful measure of your thyroid state. Panic disorder which is a

more severe

> > form of anxiety is almost always low thyroid.

> >

> > This could mean good news when your dose is optimized and you

are not low

> > thyroid anymore.

> >

> > Best~

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear --

I very, very rarely ever schedule anything before noon. I've found

that, while hypo and anxiety-ridden, I tend to become very anxious

when I have to do something outside of my normal schedule. Except

for blood tests, I will not go to a doctor before noon, have a lunch

date at home before noon, the rare opportunity to see my stylist has

to be scheduled for the afternoon, and that's the way it is. I know

since you're in school you cannot always guarantee when your classes

will occur, but I used to not schedule any classes for myself as a

student before 10 a.m. Even when I was working as a journalist, my

day started at 10 a.m. I'm just not a morning person, and I don't

care who knows it.

Best wishes--

Courtenay.

>Hey everyone,

>I have hashi's but have never been hyper...have always felt the

>'chronic fatigue' even when tests are normal. I basically have panic

>attacks b/c I am very easily overwhelmed, and I feel that this has

>to do with the fact that I am hypo and it is really hard for me to

>get things done. The times when I was medicated w/ amphetamines I

>was actually able to accomplish things, but now it takes me all day

>to finish a task that should only take a few hours. I panic b/c of

>school, and that the workload and deadlines overwhelm me...I panic

>when I have to wake up early in the morning (sometimes to the point

>where I just don't go to sleep at all if I have to wake up early).

>Overall, I would say that the 'brain fog' causes anxiety, b/c

>sometimes i overreact to things or situations where I can't clearly

>see what is happening. I also have panic attacks around the time of

>my period.

>

>I could imagine that a panic attack from being hyper is much like an

>overdose of Cytomel or Armour thyroid... and that is something I

>could do without ever experiencing again.

>

>-

>

>

[Guest guest]

Courtenay,

Crap--I rarely even make it to my ten o'clock class. I only show up on test dates and when homework is due. In the past I had a job where I had to be at work at 5:30 A.M. and sometimes at 4:45 am. (Both Starbucks jobs, one store opened at 6, one opened at 5:30). I'd say that they were both the best paying jobs I ever had (I know, pathetic), so I just did it. I managed a Starbucks in Randalls for 6 months, in which I got up at 5:30 every day. That is when my anxiety attacks were at their peak. Also, once I had 3 finals all in one day and that night I couldn't sleep b/c my brain was going so fast. Took all 3 on no sleep

urtenay wrote:

Dear --I very, very rarely ever schedule anything before noon. I've found that, while hypo and anxiety-ridden, I tend to become very anxious when I have to do something outside of my normal schedule. Except for blood tests, I will not go to a doctor before noon, have a lunch date at home before noon, the rare opportunity to see my stylist has to be scheduled for the afternoon, and that's the way it is. I know since you're in school you cannot always guarantee when your classes will occur, but I used to not schedule any classes for myself as a student before 10 a.m. Even when I was working as a journalist, my day started at 10 a.m. I'm just not a morning person, and I don't care who knows it.Best wishes--Courtenay.>Hey everyone,>I have hashi's but have

never been hyper...have always felt the >'chronic fatigue' even when tests are normal. I basically have panic >attacks b/c I am very easily overwhelmed, and I feel that this has >to do with the fact that I am hypo and it is really hard for me to >get things done. The times when I was medicated w/ amphetamines I >was actually able to accomplish things, but now it takes me all day >to finish a task that should only take a few hours. I panic b/c of >school, and that the workload and deadlines overwhelm me...I panic >when I have to wake up early in the morning (sometimes to the point >where I just don't go to sleep at all if I have to wake up early).>Overall, I would say that the 'brain fog' causes anxiety, b/c >sometimes i overreact to things or situations where I can't clearly >see what is happening. I also have panic attacks around the time of >my period.>>I could imagine that a

panic attack from being hyper is much like an >overdose of Cytomel or Armour thyroid... and that is something I >could do without ever experiencing again.>>->>

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