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Apologies to those also on

the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this there

too.

Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think?

“My reading of items in AAFP

publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe that I should have

one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes.

I am a solo family doctor ( Skaggs, MD) with no ancillary staff such as NPs or

PAs, so all the care provided under my supervision is

provided by me. My practice has a

corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC) because I am told that somehow that protects

my financial assets (although all it really seems to do is provide lawyers,

accountants and the government with more opportunities to help themselves to my

financial assets). Some of my insurance

payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out to Fayette

Family Medicine. Patients generally

write their copay checks out to “FFM”

because that’s fastest. I practice

in only one location except for the occasional home visit to infirm elderly

patients who can’t make it to the office.

I thought I

just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my billing service says

that I need one NPI for myself and another for Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but

I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is only one

provider in the group. Now she also

says that I might need a different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet

another for if I see patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have

a good hospitalist available).

Yesterday I

heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid plan say that although CMS originally

said one NPI per provider, now they ARE using

multiple numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it work, so

they are just sticking with the legacy system for the foreseeable future (he

said a year at least)

What should

I do? I have a terrible feeling that

this is all going to add up to nobody paying me for months.

Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median $165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months. Any suggestions out there?Annie

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Annie,

I too have been amazed at how much more

confusing the NPI thing is. I currently have a personal one and one for the

office. Please post the response you get from the AAFP list serve as I would

love to make sure I’m not going to go without pay for the summer.

NPI fears

Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this there too.

Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think?

“My reading of items

in AAFP publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe that I

should have one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes. I am a solo

family doctor ( Skaggs, MD) with no

ancillary staff such as NPs or PAs, so all the care

provided under my supervision is provided by me. My practice has a

corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC)

because I am told that somehow that protects my financial assets (although all

it really seems to do is provide lawyers, accountants and the government with

more opportunities to help themselves to my financial assets). Some

of my insurance payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out

to Fayette Family Medicine. Patients generally write their copay checks out to “FFM” because that’s

fastest. I practice in only one location except for the occasional home

visit to infirm elderly patients who can’t make it to the office.

I thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but

now my billing service says that I need one NPI for myself and another for

Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but I

read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is only one

provider in the group. Now she also says that I might need a

different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet another for if I see

patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have a good hospitalist available).

Yesterday I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid

plan say that although CMS originally said one NPI per provider, now

they ARE using multiple numbers and his system can’t figure

out how to make it work, so they are just sticking with the legacy system for

the foreseeable future (he said a year at least)

What should I do? I have a terrible feeling that this

is all going to add up to nobody paying me for months.

Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median $165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months. Any suggestions out there?Annie

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I have only one NPI, since I am solo-solo. Why would I need a second number ? I have an LLC. Where can I get more information from ? For now, I billed BCBS and did not have any problems.Annie,I too have been amazed at how much more confusing the NPI thing is. I currently have a personal one and one for the office. Please post the response you get from the AAFP list serve as I would love to make sure I’m not going to go without pay for the summer. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annie SkaggsSent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:48 AMTo: Subject: NPI fears Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this there too. Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing.  I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think? “My reading of items in AAFP publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe that I should have one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes.  I am a solo family doctor ( Skaggs, MD)  with no ancillary staff such as NPs orPAs, so all the care provided under my supervision is provided by me.  My practice has a corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC)  because I am told that somehow that protects my financial assets (although all it really seems to do is provide lawyers, accountants and the government with more opportunities to help themselves to my financial assets).   Some of my insurance payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out to Fayette Family Medicine.  Patients generally write their copay checks out to “FFM” because that’s fastest.  I practice in only one location except for the occasional home visit to infirm elderly patients who can’t make it to the office. I thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my billing service says that I need one NPI for myself and another for Fayette Family Medicine.  She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is only one provider in the group.   Now she also says that I might need a different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet another for if I see patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have a good hospitalistavailable). Yesterday I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid plan say that although CMS originally said one NPI per provider, now they ARE using multiple numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it work, so they are just sticking with the legacy system for the foreseeable future (he said a year at least) What should I do?  I have a terrible feeling that this is all going to add up to nobody paying me for months. Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer.  We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it,  so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL.  That’s right,  five months  and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones.  I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again.  And of the three weeks of incorrectly fil!  ed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy.  If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen?  What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.”  The doctor earning the “median $165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survi!  ve if half or more of that dries up for months.  < /o> Any suggestions out there?Annie 

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From what I've been seeing under CMSs Listserve is that health plans

have developed contingency plans for payment problems during the

transition. Call your Medicare Ombudsman or representative. Better yet,

have your billing service research this issue. They should have contacts

at the insurance companies you deal with.

Kenney

Annie Skaggs wrote:

>

> Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this

> there too.

>

> Maybe I am just paranoid….

>

> But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the

following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think?

>

>

> “My reading of items in AAFP publications on the subject of the NPI

> leads me to believe that I should have one NPI number and possibly two

> taxonomy codes. I am a solo family doctor ( Skaggs, MD) with no

> ancillary staff such as NPs or PAs, so all the care provided under my

> supervision is provided by me. My practice has a corporation/is a

> corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC) because I am told that

> somehow that protects my financial assets (although all it really

> seems to do is provide lawyers, accountants and the government with

> more opportunities to help themselves to my financial assets). Some of

> my insurance payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come

> made out to Fayette Family Medicine. Patients generally write their

> copay checks out to “FFM” because that’s fastest. I practice in only

> one location except for the occasional home visit to infirm elderly

> patients who can’t make it to the office.

>

> I thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my

> billing service says that I need one NPI for myself and another for

> Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but

> I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is only

> one provider in the group. Now she also says that I might need a

> different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet another for if I

> see patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have a good

> hospitalist available).

>

> Yesterday I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid plan say

> that although CMS originally said one NPI per provider, now they ARE

> using multiple numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it

> work, so they are just sticking with the legacy system for the

> foreseeable future (he said a year at least)

>

> What should I do? I have a terrible feeling that this is all going to

> add up to nobody paying me for months.

>

>

> Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare

number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered

the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct

number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT

ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not

get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones. I finally had to

have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me

again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006,

about half of those have STILL not been paid.

>

> That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my

state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider,

so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are

multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent

all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear

with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median

$165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000

last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months.

>

> Any suggestions out there?

> Annie

>

>

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Annie: You need a second NPI for your corporation. We needed that for ours as well. Annie Skaggs wrote: Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this there too. Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think? “My reading of items in AAFP publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe that I should have one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes. I am a solo family doctor ( Skaggs, MD) with no ancillary staff such as NPs or PAs, so all the care provided under my supervision is provided by me. My practice has a corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC) because I am told that somehow that protects my financial assets (although all it really seems to do is provide lawyers, accountants and the government with more opportunities to help

themselves to my financial assets). Some of my insurance payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out to Fayette Family Medicine. Patients generally write their copay checks out to “FFM” because that’s fastest. I practice in only one location except for the occasional home visit to infirm elderly patients who can’t make it to the office. I thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my billing service says that I need one NPI for myself and another for Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is

only one provider in the group. Now she also says that I might need a different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet another for if I see patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have a good hospitalist available). Yesterday I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid plan say that although CMS originally said one NPI per provider, now they ARE using multiple numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it work, so they are just sticking with the legacy system for the foreseeable future (he said a year at least) What should I do? I have a terrible feeling that this is all going to add up to nobody paying me for months. Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare

number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median $165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months. Any suggestions out there?Annie

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So have

you figured out when you use one and when the other? If I request a consult, I give them the individual

one…and that’s about the only clear picture I have of this.

My biller seems

to think that it depends on how they make out the check. If I get paid as Skaggs, then the

individual number is what I should use. But if I get a check made out to Fayette

Family Medicine, then that insurer will want me to use the corporate one…???

What about the first time I send a claim to a particular plan: do I just guess, or what???

Annie

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NPI fears

Annie:

You need a second NPI for your corporation. We needed

that for ours as well.

Annie Skaggs

<askaggsfayettefamilymed> wrote:

Apologies to those also

on the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this there

too.

Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think?

“My reading

of items in AAFP publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe

that I should have one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes. I am a

solo family doctor ( Skaggs, MD) with no

ancillary staff such as NPs or PAs, so all the care

provided under my supervision is provided by me. My practice has a

corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC)

because I am told that somehow that protects my financial assets (although all

it really seems to do is provide lawyers, accountants and the government with

more opportunities to help themselves to my financial assets). Some

of my insurance payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out

to Fayette Family Medicine. Patients generally write their copay checks out to “FFM” because that’s

fastest. I practice in only one location except for the occasional home

visit to infirm elderly patients who can’t make it to the office.

I thought I just needed one

NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my billing service says that I need one NPI

for myself and another for Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only

need one taxonomy code, but I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups

even if there is only one provider in the group. Now she also says

that I might need a different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet another

for if I see patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have a good hospitalist available).

Yesterday I heard a speaker

who works for our state Medicaid plan say that although CMS

originally said one NPI per provider, now they ARE using multiple

numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it work, so they are

just sticking with the legacy system for the foreseeable future (he said a year

at least)

What should I do? I

have a terrible feeling that this is all going to add up to nobody paying me

for months.

Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median $165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months. Any suggestions out there?Annie

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Did you see the post about the NPI being delayed another year

until 2008? The last time we called the Medicare r for N.

Calif. a couple of weeks ago, they had a recorded message that came

on instead of elevator music telling you not to use the NPI on

claims until they sort everything out.

Caldwell

Tulare, CA

> Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt

list, as I posted this there too.

>

>

> Maybe I am just paranoid….

>

>

>

> But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I

sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think?

>

>

> " My reading of items in AAFP publications on the subject of the

NPI leads me to believe that I should have one NPI number and

possibly two taxonomy codes. I am a solo family doctor (

Skaggs, MD) with no ancillary staff such as NPs or PAs, so all the

care provided under my supervision is provided by me. My practice

has a corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC)

because I am told that somehow that protects my financial assets

(although all it really seems to do is provide lawyers, accountants

and the government with more opportunities to help themselves to my

financial assets). Some of my insurance payments come made out to

Skaggs, and some come made out to Fayette Family Medicine.

Patients generally write their copay checks out to " FFM " because

that's fastest. I practice in only one location except for the

occasional home visit to infirm elderly patients who can't make it

to the office.

>

> I thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now

my billing service says that I need one NPI for myself and another

for Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy

code, but I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if

there is only one provider in the group. Now she also says that I

might need a different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet

another for if I see patients in the hospital (something I rarely

do, as I have a good hospitalist available).

>

> Yesterday I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid

plan say that although CMS originally said one NPI per provider, now

they ARE using multiple numbers and his system can't figure out how

to make it work, so they are just sticking with the legacy system

for the foreseeable future (he said a year at least)

>

> What should I do? I have a terrible feeling that this is all

going to add up to nobody paying me for months.

>

>

>

> Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new

biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a

previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and

fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still

took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL.

That's right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims

did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed

ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative

intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three

weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of

those have STILL not been paid.

>

>

>

> That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers

are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on

one number per provider, so they have only one field in their

programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……

what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from

saying " Sorry, we're having problems with this new system, bear with

us and we'll pay you when we get it fixed. " The doctor earning

the " median $165,000 " can probably survive for a while on half that,

but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN'T survive if half or

more of that dries up for months.

>

>

>

> Any suggestions out there?

>

> Annie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Annie: You are ahead of me on this one but our EMR has a place for each. I susbect billing requirement dictate when one or both are used, but i do not know the RULES. Annie Skaggs wrote: So have you figured out when you use one and when the

other? If I request a consult, I give them the individual one…and that’s about the only clear picture I have of this. My biller seems to think that it depends on how they make out the check. If I get paid as Skaggs, then the individual number is what I should use. But if I get a check made out to Fayette Family Medicine, then that insurer will want me to use the corporate one…??? What about the first time I send a claim to a particular plan: do I just guess, or what??? Annie -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of EglySent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:21 AMTo: Subject: Re: NPI fears Annie: You need a second NPI for your corporation. We needed that for ours as well. Annie Skaggs <askaggsfayettefamilymed> wrote: Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt list, as I posted this there too.Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys

think? “My reading of items in AAFP publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe that I should have one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes. I am a solo family doctor ( Skaggs, MD) with no ancillary staff such as NPs or PAs, so all the care provided under my supervision is provided by me. My practice has a corporation/is a corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC) because I am told that somehow that protects my financial assets (although all it really seems to do is

provide lawyers, accountants and the government with more opportunities to help themselves to my financial assets). Some of my insurance payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out to Fayette Family Medicine. Patients generally write their copay checks out to “FFM” because that’s fastest. I practice in only one location except for the occasional home visit to infirm elderly patients who can’t make it to the office. I thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my billing service says that I need one NPI for myself and another for Fayette Family Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but I read that there is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is only one provider in the group. Now she also says that I

might need a different NPI for when I make home visits, and yet another for if I see patients in the hospital (something I rarely do, as I have a good hospitalist available). Yesterday I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid plan say that although CMS originally said one NPI per provider, now they ARE using multiple numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it work, so they are just sticking with the legacy system for the foreseeable future (he said a year at least) What should I do? I have a terrible feeling that this is all going to add up to nobody paying me for

months. Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed

ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median

$165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months. Any suggestions out there?Annie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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According to my medical consultant, my EMR

vendor (Alteer), and reading the NPI info for myself, it seems that if you need

an additional # (other than the one for yourself, under your name) for your

facility, it is only if the insurance company(ies) wants you to have one, and

they (the ins co) will let you know if you need one.

Why does something that’s supposed

to make it easier to identify providers have to be so confusing? Oh, the government

is behind it, I forgot…

A. Eads, M.D.

Pinnacle Family Medicine, PLLC

phone fax

P.O.

Box 7275

Woodland

Park, CO 80863

www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annie Skaggs

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:57

PM

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Subject: RE:

NPI fears

So have you figured out when you use one and when the other?

If I request a consult, I give them the individual one…and that’s

about the only clear picture I have of this.

My biller seems to think that it depends

on how they make out the check. If I get paid as Skaggs, then the

individual number is what I should use. But if I get a check made out to

Fayette Family Medicine, then that insurer will want me to use the corporate

one…??? What about the first time I send a claim to a particular

plan: do I just guess, or what???

Annie

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Subject: Re:

NPI fears

Annie:

You need a second

NPI for your corporation. We needed that for ours as well.

Annie Skaggs

<askaggsfayettefamilymed> wrote:

Apologies to those also on the AAFP Practicemgt

list, as I posted this there too.

Maybe I am just paranoid…. But I am getting a terrible feeling about this whole NPI thing. I sent the following question in to FPM, but what do you guys think?

“My reading of items in AAFP

publications on the subject of the NPI leads me to believe that I should have

one NPI number and possibly two taxonomy codes. I am a solo family doctor

( Skaggs, MD) with no ancillary staff such

as NPs or PAs, so all the care provided under my

supervision is provided by me. My practice has a corporation/is a

corporation (Fayette Family Medicine, PSC) because I am told

that somehow that protects my financial assets (although all it really seems to

do is provide lawyers, accountants and the government with more opportunities to

help themselves to my financial assets). Some of my insurance

payments come made out to Skaggs, and some come made out to Fayette

Family Medicine. Patients generally write their copay

checks out to “FFM” because that’s fastest. I practice

in only one location except for the occasional home visit to infirm elderly

patients who can’t make it to the office.

I

thought I just needed one NPI, and one taxonomy code, but now my billing

service says that I need one NPI for myself and another for Fayette Family

Medicine. She thinks I only need one taxonomy code, but I read that there

is a taxonomy code for groups even if there is only one provider in the

group. Now she also says that I might need a different NPI for when

I make home visits, and yet another for if I see patients in the hospital

(something I rarely do, as I have a good hospitalist

available).

Yesterday

I heard a speaker who works for our state Medicaid plan say that although CMS

originally said one NPI per provider, now they ARE using multiple

numbers and his system can’t figure out how to make it work, so they are

just sticking with the legacy system for the foreseeable future (he said a year

at least)

What

should I do? I have a terrible feeling that this is all going to add up

to nobody paying me for months.

Last year when I changed billers I accidentally gave the new biller a Medicare number that was from when I had worked for a previous employer. We discovered the problem within 3 weeks and fixed it, so we were submitting the correct number, but it still took Medicare six whole months to start paying me again AT ALL. That’s right, five months and one week of correctly filed claims did not get paid as a result of three weeks of incorrectly filed ones. I finally had to have my Congressional Representative intervene to get them to start paying me again. And of the three weeks of incorrectly filed claims (from March of 2006, about half of those have STILL not been paid. That experience has left me a little gun-shy. If all the payers are like my state Medicaid administrator and built their systems on one number per provider, so they have only one field in their programs for that number, but there are multiple numbers out there……what is going to happen? What is going to prevent all of them from saying “Sorry, we’re having problems with this new system, bear with us and we’ll pay you when we get it fixed.” The doctor earning the “median $165,000” can probably survive for a while on half that, but I only made $30,000 last year, and I CAN’T survive if half or more of that dries up for months. Any suggestions out there?Annie

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