Re: Black Flecks in Stool and Clostridia

[Guest guest]

Oh my . What a find. Holy cow. If your right, this would be a big deal.

I'm wiped

out right now but I'll read more tomorrow.

Look at you girl. Great job.

For those of you who haven't been here long, we've been tracking black flecks in

stool of

some children who are treated with our antiviral approach and we've never known

what it

was.

----

Here is our " black flecks " poll.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/surveys?id=12224122

----

Coincidently, Dr. McFabe published a study that showed that if you injected

propionic acid

into rats they basically end up getting autism. What causes high levels of

propionic acid?

Clostridia for one (also known as c-diff).

Pretty crazy right?

My son showed high levels of clostridia after starting on GFCF and before going

SCD which

was before Antiviral/antifungal therapy. He didn't have black flecks that we

saw... but

who knows.

Lots to meditate on tonight.

Thank you again . I'm trying to stay calm like a researcher, but I find

myself a bit

excited like a parent. I haven't had time to read all the posts this month, but

I'm glad I

read yours.

- Stan

>

> i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia support

> website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The

> consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black flecks were

> also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan protocal may

> have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here is the

> clostridia discussion group where I saw it:

> http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290

>

[Guest guest]

That is *really* interesting! I read the posts and something very

interesting caught my eye. Someone was talking about green and

orange poop which got me thinking of when I took some of my son's

probios. I had *neon* green poo for about a week! Interesting...

cheryl

> Oh my . What a find. Holy cow. If your right, this would be a

> big deal. I'm wiped

> out right now but I'll read more tomorrow.

>

> Look at you girl. Great job.

>

> For those of you who haven't been here long, we've been tracking

> black flecks in stool of

> some children who are treated with our antiviral approach and we've

> never known what it

> was.

>

> ----

> Here is our " black flecks " poll.

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/surveys?id=12224122

>

[Guest guest]

Stan,

We also get black flecks in the stool SOME of the time when people are

going through what we call " dumping " when they are on a low oxalate

diet. During " dumping " cycles, in some people, there are stools that are

full of sand (leaving the child looking like you just picked him up after

he had been sitting naked on the beach...this is NOT SUBTLE), but

occasionally they have black flecks mixed with the sand in them, and we

haven't figured out what those black flecks are. Not everybody gets them,

just some people. I think certain selected people also got black flecks in

the stool with secretin infusions which we heard more about many years ago.

(I've been at this for 12 years.)

I wouldn't be surprised if we are all describing the same phenomenon, but I

can't imagine what clostridia would have to do with the other occasions. A

connection between oxalate and secretin makes sense because the

transporters for oxalate trade oxalate for bicarbonate, and secretin causes

the release of bicarbonate in the gut and that means it might also change

the trafficking of oxalate.

Are certain antimicrobials producing the flecks? Perhaps they have effects

on bicarbonate trafficking. Some antibiotics do, examples below.

Regarding the new study on propionic acid, I do know that oxalate can

impair the activity of propionyl CoA carboxylase which would specifically

raise levels of propionic acid. Oxalate impairs all biotin-dependent

enzymes to some extent but it depends on where the oxalate goes.

I have been working on things that correlate to the " clostridia markers " in

a databse of 123 Great Plains Oats, and the results are pretty surprising,

but I'm not finished analyzing the data and putting it into readable form.

It certainly is important to understand the parallels between very opposite

treatment protocols.

Neurosci Lett. 2006 Nov 13;408(2):151-4. Epub 2006 Sep 25.[] Links

Propionic acid induces convulsions and protein carbonylation in rats.

Rigo FK, Pasquetti L, Malfatti CR, Fighera MR, Coelho RC, Petri CZ, Mello CF.

Laboratório de Neurotoxicologia e Psicofarmacologia, Departamento de

Fisiologia e Farmacologia, Universidade Federal de Santa , 97105-900

Santa , RS, Brazil.

Propionic acid (PA) accumulates in patients with propionic acidemia, an

inherited metabolic disorder caused by the deficiency of propionyl-CoA

carboxylase activity that is clinically characterized by neurological

dysfunction, including seizures. However, it is not known whether PA causes

seizures in experimental animals. In the current study, we investigated

whether intrastriatal injection of PA (0.6-6 micromol) causes seizures and

alters protein carbonyl content in the striatum of adult rats. The

injection of PA caused the appearance of seizures and increased protein

carbonyl content in injected and noninjected striata. PA-induced seizures

and increased protein carbonylation in the striatum were prevented by the

injection of MK-801 (3 nmol/0.5 microL). Our results suggest that PA causes

seizures and oxidative damage by NMDA receptor-mediated mechanisms. The

involvement of NMDA receptors in the pathogenesis of propionic acidemia is

suggested.

PMID: 16997462 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Am J Physiol. 1996 Mar;270(3 Pt 1):C786-93.[] Links

Sodium-bicarbonate cotransport in guinea pig ileal crypt cells.

MacLeod RJ, Redican F, Lembessis P, Hamilton JR, Field M.

Department of Pediatrics, McGill Univeristy-Montreal Children's Hospital

Research Institute, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

Prior studies show that ileal HCO3- secretion is of crypt origin, possibly

involving Na+-HCO3- cotransport. To test for the latter, we isolated crypt

cells from guinea pig ileum and determined effects of medium HCO3-, Na+,

K+, disulfonic stilbenes, and gramicidin on intracellular pH

[pHi;2',7'-bis(carboxyethyl)-5(6)-carboxyfluorescein fluorescence], cell

volume (electronic sizing), and Na+ efflux from 22Na+ -preloaded cells.

Ileal crypt cells alkalinized when placed in sodium gluconate-HCO3- medium

containing N-5-methyl-5-isobutyl amiloride (1 microM), bumetanide (10

microM) and 4,4'-diisothiocyanostilbene-2,2'-disulfonic acid (250 microM

which blocks Cl-/HCO3- exchange but not Na+ dependent HCO3- uptake).

Depolarization with either gramicidin (50 microM) or 50 mM K+ caused a

further 4-acetamido-4'-isothiocyanostilbene-2,2'-disulfonic acid

(SITS)-inhibitable increase in pHi. Gramicidin also caused SITS-inhibitable

cell swelling. Both gramicidin effects were Na+ dependent: at 0 mM Na+,

gramicidin acidified and did not alter cell volume; at 25 mM, gramicidin

also acidified; at 90 and 140 mM, gramicidin alkalinized and induced cell

swelling. HCO3- -dependent SITS-inhibitable Na+ efflux from 22Na+

-preloaded cells was also seen. We conclude that ileal crypt cells engage

in electrogenic Na+ -HCO3- symport.

PMID: 8638658 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Braz J Med Biol Res. 1993 Jul;26(7):773-7.Links

Effect of bafilomycin on proximal bicarbonate absorption in the rat.

Ulate G, Fernandez R, Malnic G.

Departamento de Fisiologia e Biofisica, Universidade de São o, Brasil.

To evaluate the relative importance of the V-type H(+)-ATPase in proximal

bicarbonate reabsorption in vivo, proximal tubules of male and female

Wistar rats (180 to 260 g) were perfused with bicarbonate-Ringer solution

with and without the addition of 2 microM bafilomycin A1. Bafilomycin

significantly increased stationary pH from 6.75 +/- 0.05 (N = 39) to 6.86

+/- 0.03 (N = 82), the stationary concentration of bicarbonate from 5.24

+/- 0.62 to 6.33 +/- 0.46 mM and the half-time of acidification from 3.72

+/- 0.22 to 4.65 +/- 0.25 s, and significantly decreased net bicarbonate

reabsorption from 3.17 +/- 0.21 to 2.55 +/- 0.15 nmol s-1 cm-2, that is, by

20%. Since bafilomycin is considered to be a specific inhibitor for V-type

H(+)-ATPase, these data establish 1) the existence of this type of

transport in the rat proximal tubule and 2) that approximately a fifth of

the total proximal bicarbonate reabsorption is due to this mechanism of

transport.

PMID: 8268826 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Ann Clin Lab Sci. 1991 Mar-Apr;21(2):104-15.Links

Cyclosporine inhibition of the chloride/bicarbonate exchanger of proximal

renal tubules.

Kanli H, Terreros DA.

Department of Pathology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City.

It has previously been reported by us that the immunosuppressant agent

cyclosporine inhibits the ability of renal proximal tubule cells to

regulate volume. Proximal renal tubule cells exposed to hypotonic solutions

rapidly swell and subsequently shrink. Their regulatory cell volume

decrease (RVD) is due to Ca2(+)-calmodulin regulated KCl efflux followed by

osmotically obligated water. In proximal renal tubule cells, potassium

leaves the cell through a Ca2(+)-activated potassium channel. While it is

unknown how the volume regulatory chloride efflux occurs in humans, in

teleosts its efflux is through a Cl-/HCO3- anion antiporter. Prior to this

work it was known that cyclosporine (CsA) inhibits volume regulation in

mammals and teleosts. It was not clear, however, if CsA inhibited the

potassium channel, the chloride efflux, or both. In vivo, CsA is a potent

calmodulin inhibitor whose effects on cell volume regulation are not

mediated by decreased cell water permeability. The effects of the Cl-/OH-

antiporter tributyltin (TBT) and the K+ channel gramicidin on

CsA-associated RVD inhibition were studied in isolated proximal renal

tubules of the teleost Carassius auratus (goldfish). It was found that the

inhibitory effect of CsA (50 microM) could be overridden by the

administration of TBT (1 microM) but could not be modified by the potassium

ionophore gramicidin (0.5 microM). The inhibitory effect of CsA could not

be altered by increased Ca2+ influx through the Ca2+ ionophore A23817 (10

microM), and, therefore, an altered calcium activation of KCl efflux does

not appear to be involved. In conclusion, the CsA effect on RVD is due to a

selective inhibition of chloride efflux most likely mediated by inhibition

of the cyclophilin-calmodulin system and not by a decreased intracellular

calcium signal.

PMID: 1709345 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Kidney Int. 1983 Nov;24(5):638-43.Links

Reduction of renal blood flow and proximal bicarbonate reabsorption in rats

by gentamicin.

Klotman PE, Yarger WE.

Although aminoglycoside-induced acute renal failure occurs commonly, little

is known about the mechanisms which alter renal hemodynamics. In

sodium-depleted Sprague-Dawley rats treated with gentamicin, we measured

RBF and GFR at the onset of this model of nephrotoxic acute renal failure.

After 10 days of sodium chloride depletion, one group of rats received a

single injection of gentamicin, 100 mg/kg, while control animals received

the gentamicin vehicle. Twenty-four hours later, PCr and UNa/UCr were

similar in both groups. CIn was unchanged, but RBF was reduced

significantly (12.40 +/- 1.33 vs. 16.89 +/- 1.24 ml/min). Micropuncture

studies revealed that although SNGFR was unchanged, end-proximal and early

distal flow rates were increased significantly. End-proximal TFCl was

reduced significantly in gentamicin-treated animals when compared to

controls (130.7 +/- 3.9 vs. 149.5 +/- 4.1 mEq/liter). Early distal TFCl was

also reduced significantly (32.4 +/- 2.0 vs. 44.3 +/- 1.4 mEq/liter). In

other rats, 24 hr after a second injection of gentamicin, PCr and UNa/UCr

were increased significantly and both GFR and RBF were reduced

significantly. We conclude that the earliest hemodynamic change in

gentamicin-induced acute renal failure is a reduction in RBF which precedes

any change in GFR. A single dose of gentamicin also impairs proximal

bicarbonate and water reabsorption and reduces end-proximal and early

distal chloride concentration.

PMID: 6663986 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

At 01:23 AM 10/1/2007, you wrote:

>Oh my . What a find. Holy cow. If your right, this would be a big

>deal. I'm wiped

>out right now but I'll read more tomorrow.

>

>Look at you girl. Great job.

>

>For those of you who haven't been here long, we've been tracking black

>flecks in stool of

>some children who are treated with our antiviral approach and we've never

>known what it

>was.

>

>----

>Here is our " black flecks " poll.

>

>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/surveys?id=12224122

>----

>

>Coincidently, Dr. McFabe published a study that showed that if you

>injected propionic acid

>into rats they basically end up getting autism. What causes high levels of

>propionic acid?

>Clostridia for one (also known as c-diff).

>

>Pretty crazy right?

>

>My son showed high levels of clostridia after starting on GFCF and before

>going SCD which

>was before Antiviral/antifungal therapy. He didn't have black flecks that

>we saw... but

>who knows.

>

>Lots to meditate on tonight.

>

>Thank you again . I'm trying to stay calm like a researcher, but I

>find myself a bit

>excited like a parent. I haven't had time to read all the posts this

>month, but I'm glad I

>read yours.

>

>- Stan

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[Guest guest]

we saw black flecks after starting SCD diet!!! I also remember people

mentioning seeing those on chelation therapy and thinking it was mercury

excretion...

natasa

>

> >Oh my . What a find. Holy cow. If your right, this would be a

big

> >deal. I'm wiped

> >out right now but I'll read more tomorrow.

> >

> >Look at you girl. Great job.

> >

> >For those of you who haven't been here long, we've been tracking

black

> >flecks in stool of

> >some children who are treated with our antiviral approach and we've

never

> >known what it

> >was.

> >

> >----

> >Here is our " black flecks " poll.

> >

> >http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/surveys?id=12224122

> >----

> >

> >Coincidently, Dr. McFabe published a study that showed that if you

> >injected propionic acid

> >into rats they basically end up getting autism. What causes high

levels of

> >propionic acid?

> >Clostridia for one (also known as c-diff).

> >

> >Pretty crazy right?

> >

> >My son showed high levels of clostridia after starting on GFCF and

before

> >going SCD which

> >was before Antiviral/antifungal therapy. He didn't have black flecks

that

> >we saw... but

> >who knows.

> >

> >Lots to meditate on tonight.

> >

> >Thank you again . I'm trying to stay calm like a researcher, but

I

> >find myself a bit

> >excited like a parent. I haven't had time to read all the posts this

> >month, but I'm glad I

> >read yours.

> >

> >- Stan

>

>

> --

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>

[Guest guest]

interesting, is this starting to connect dots?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propionic_acid

> >

> > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia

support

> > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The

> > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black

flecks were

> > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan protocal

may

> > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here

is the

> > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:

> > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well girl, if you've been at this 12 years you should have had this thing taken

care of!

I agree . Similar outcomes to different therapies should be analyzed. I

admire your

work.

So if I were to read into your email, " sand " might be oxalate or an oxalate

biproduct like

crystals and black flecks would be bicarbonate or secondarily oxalate related.

I do see

some hits from bicarbonate and black dots and one interesting hit related to a

white

substance with black dots in plant diseases related to bicarbonate and an

infection, just

not sure if this is the same thing... but certainly a good observation either

way. We'll

certainly have to leave it in the running and keep an eye on it.

Looking forward to your clostridia analysis from the OATs data.

- Stan

>

> >Oh my . What a find. Holy cow. If your right, this would be a big

> >deal. I'm wiped

> >out right now but I'll read more tomorrow.

> >

> >Look at you girl. Great job.

> >

> >For those of you who haven't been here long, we've been tracking black

> >flecks in stool of

> >some children who are treated with our antiviral approach and we've never

> >known what it

> >was.

> >

> >----

> >Here is our " black flecks " poll.

> >

> >http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/surveys?id=12224122

> >----

> >

> >Coincidently, Dr. McFabe published a study that showed that if you

> >injected propionic acid

> >into rats they basically end up getting autism. What causes high levels of

> >propionic acid?

> >Clostridia for one (also known as c-diff).

> >

> >Pretty crazy right?

> >

> >My son showed high levels of clostridia after starting on GFCF and before

> >going SCD which

> >was before Antiviral/antifungal therapy. He didn't have black flecks that

> >we saw... but

> >who knows.

> >

> >Lots to meditate on tonight.

> >

> >Thank you again . I'm trying to stay calm like a researcher, but I

> >find myself a bit

> >excited like a parent. I haven't had time to read all the posts this

> >month, but I'm glad I

> >read yours.

> >

> >- Stan

>

>

> --

> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

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>

[Guest guest]

Help me on that one. What is in the wikipedia link that you want us to look at?

- Stan

> > >

> > > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia

> support

> > > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The

> > > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black

> flecks were

> > > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan protocal

> may

> > > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here

> is the

> > > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:

> > > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

this is from enzymestuff.com (no list of references):13. Black specks may be seeds, foods, or from die off of yeast or bacteria.

If you start any supplement that might create looser stools, temporary

diarrhea, or die-off of yeast or bacteria (like an antibiotic,

probiotic, digestive enzymes, antifungal, laxative, etc), you might see

dark or black flecks in stool during this 'cleaning out' period.

Certain types of adverse bacteria in the colon can produce dark

residues and this is getting cleaned out.> > > >> > > > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia > > support > > > > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The > > > > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black > > flecks were > > > > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan protocal > > may > > > > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here > > is the > > > > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:> > > > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

He also passed a big BLOB of black mucus mixed in his stool about 2

days ago,..even though his stool was mid brown.. specs definately not

seeds(only has pear/apple/banana)..i increased his pro biotics to

counteract the antibiotis..it could be this.. he seems more alert

too..hoping this is the start of something good..

> > > > >

> > > > > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia

> > > support

> > > > > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks.

The

> > > > > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black

> > > flecks were

> > > > > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan

> protocal

> > > may

> > > > > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . .

here

> > > is the

> > > > > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:

> > > > > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son gets the flecks when he starts Berberine Complex, which has helped in the past w/his bacteria.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of natasa778Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:03 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Black Flecks in Stool and Clostridia

this is from enzymestuff.com (no list of references):

13. Black specks may be seeds, foods, or from die off of yeast or bacteria.

If you start any supplement that might create looser stools, temporary diarrhea, or die-off of yeast or bacteria (like an antibiotic, probiotic, digestive enzymes, antifungal, laxative, etc), you might see dark or black flecks in stool during this 'cleaning out' period. Certain types of adverse bacteria in the colon can produce dark residues and this is getting cleaned out.> > > >> > > > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia > > support > > > > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The > > > > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black > > flecks were > > > > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan protocal > > may > > > > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here > > is the > > > > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:> > > > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

My sons black flecks went away after 1 course of Flagyl and have not

returned (since last December). We are also treating inflammation of

the gut w/ Dr. Krigsman as well.

I do have some pictures that we sent into Dr. Krigsman.

Laureen

Quoting Stan Kurtz :

> Oh my . What a find. Holy cow. If your right, this would be a

> big deal. I'm wiped

> out right now but I'll read more tomorrow.

>

> Look at you girl. Great job.

>

> For those of you who haven't been here long, we've been tracking

> black flecks in stool of

> some children who are treated with our antiviral approach and we've

> never known what it

> was.

>

> ----

> Here is our " black flecks " poll.

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/surveys?id=12224122

> ----

>

> Coincidently, Dr. McFabe published a study that showed that if you

> injected propionic acid

> into rats they basically end up getting autism. What causes high

> levels of propionic acid?

> Clostridia for one (also known as c-diff).

>

> Pretty crazy right?

>

> My son showed high levels of clostridia after starting on GFCF and

> before going SCD which

> was before Antiviral/antifungal therapy. He didn't have black flecks

> that we saw... but

> who knows.

>

> Lots to meditate on tonight.

>

> Thank you again . I'm trying to stay calm like a researcher,

> but I find myself a bit

> excited like a parent. I haven't had time to read all the posts this

> month, but I'm glad I

> read yours.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>>

>> i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia support

>> website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The

>> consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black flecks were

>> also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan protocal may

>> have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here is the

>> clostridia discussion group where I saw it:

>> http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is all so interesting.

In June, after completing a MAP test, I sent a request to my son's DAN! to get a prescription for Flagyl. I started it on June 24 for 10 days. 3 weeks later, I noticed a really bad white mucus and black flecks in his stool (july 17). That lasted about 4 days. I asked his DAN!, but he didn't know and asked me to do a CDSA and double his probiotics (which I did). I unfortunately did not have a kit to collect that stool. By the time the CDSA arrived, the mucus and black flecks were gone. The stool analysis showed a lot of yeast and very high IgA markers.

I'll keep my eye on it. I am going to do another MAP to check if his DHPPA marker are lower. His stools are very stinky lately and I was thinking it die-off from HBOT. We just completed 80 dives 2 weeks ago (we did 40, took an 8-week break and did another 40). At dive 50, we increased the pressure to 1.75ATA and since, I noticed a horrible die-off in his bottom which lasted 4 days. But after we finished the HBOT, his stool is well formed by very very stinky. I don't know what is going on. His DAN! didn't want to do another CDSA because we just did one in July.

.

Mom to , 5.5 y.o. with HFA

Re: Black Flecks in Stool and Clostridia

He also passed a big BLOB of black mucus mixed in his stool about 2 days ago,..even though his stool was mid brown.. specs definately not seeds(only has pear/apple/banana)..i increased his pro biotics to counteract the antibiotis..it could be this.. he seems more alert too..hoping this is the start of something good..> > > > >> > > > > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia> > > support> > > > > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The> > > > > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black> > > flecks were> > > > > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan> protocal> > > may> > > > > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here> > > is the> > > > > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:> > > > > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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One more thing. My son had been on Valtrex since April 2006. I had seen the black flecks before, but always thought it was something he ate. His MAP in May showed high DHPPA markers which some believe is an indication of clostridia. So even at 1000mg of Valtrex a day for 1 year with 5ml of Diflucan a day for a year and Nasal M-B12 every other day plus M-B12 injections on the other days for over a 1 year, those markers were still high. I stopped Valtrex in August of this year because his CMV dropped from over 1000 to 27. So I felt it was time to give his body a break. I have not seen black flecks in his stools since the end of July. But I will pay very close attention since I still give him those supplements (and many many more) except the Valtrex.

His Varicella came back rather high in his second Immunoscience's Lab test results. I am not sure if Valtrex would be the best anti-viral to address it. But if it is, I'll start it again soon and monitor his stools even more closely.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Black Flecks in Stool and Clostridia

He also passed a big BLOB of black mucus mixed in his stool about 2 days ago,..even though his stool was mid brown.. specs definately not seeds(only has pear/apple/banana)..i increased his pro biotics to counteract the antibiotis..it could be this.. he seems more alert too..hoping this is the start of something good..> > > > >> > > > > i was recently researching Clostridia in an adult Clostridia> > > support> > > > > website and I saw a mention of the mysterious black flecks. The> > > > > consensus seemed to be that when Clostridia was gone, Black> > > flecks were> > > > > also gone. Could be that some doing the valtrex diflucan> protocal> > > may> > > > > have a clostridia problem popping up. Just a thought . . . here> > > is the> > > > > clostridia discussion group where I saw it:> > > > > http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3290> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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If that were my child I would think about doing an SCD type of diet (less IGG

food allergies

if you know them) and getting some Candex in that child, at least until your doc

tries

going after fungus with antifungals.

My best,

- Stan

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