Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 i believe giving armour thyroid suppresses the thyroid gland over time. the higher the dose, the less the thyroid hormone output from the actual thyroid gland. over time, the gland will decrease in its natural ability to produce the thyroid hormone thus probably lead to a lifetime requirement of external thyroid medication. in older women, who by the way, usually develop hypothyroidism, when taking any form of thryroid medication increase their chances of developing osteoporosis. additionally, given that we used to get iodine from table salt and even bread and other products, the manufacturing process of these products where we used to get our source of iodine, bromine has replaced iodine and therefore, bromine competes with the same binding sites as iodine in the body. when this occurs, people may develop clinical hypothyroidism because iodine uptake has been decreased to a point where very small amounts can be absorbed by the body. iodine is important in the formation of the thyroid hormone. it might be a better to see if the child is actually deficient in iodine rather than supplementing with any kind of RX thyroid medication. lastly, there are several asthma inhalers that have bromine as an inactive ingredient. therefore, this can potentially exacerbate the hypothyroidism in asthmatics who have this as well. terry registered pharmacistSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Thyroid> >> >> >> > I have brought up the discussion on thyroid levels before and myson> > has been tested a few times and was in the high normal range forboth> > T4 and T3. We went back bc they didn't run the free T3 (theyclaimed> > they don't have that test) so they ran the T3 again and this timeit> > was just above normal range. I have a phone consult coming up to> > discuss this with Dr. DeMio (our DAN) but wanted any thoughts from> > anyone experienced with thyroid issues (Natasa?). I havehashimotos> > hypothyroid. I am wondering if he should be on something likearmour> > thyroid? I am nursing and I take synthroid but I know that itdoesn't> > have T3.> > Also I have been wondering about adding MB12 nasal spray. He is 18> > months and has been on the shots since he was 9 months. He had an> > initial wow but nothing since. I think he may need something more.> > Any thoughts?> > Thanks,> > Sara> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: JavaNut418@... i believe giving armour thyroid suppresses the thyroid gland over time. the higher the dose, the less the thyroid hormone output from the actual thyroid gland. over time, the gland will decrease in its natural ability to produce the thyroid hormone thus probably lead to a lifetime requirement of external thyroid medication. ===>This may or may not be true, if there is mercury present or toxicity issues or autoimmunity that prevent the thyroid from working properly. in older women, who by the way, usually develop hypothyroidism, when taking any form of thryroid medication increase their chances of developing osteoporosis. ===>There is no scientific consensus about this point and it continues to be debated by endocrinologists. What is not debated is that it takes adequate levels of Free T3 for a child's brain to develop properly. If selenium and iodine and tyrosine are supplemented and fail to raise the level of Free T3 then Armour thyroid is an important part of helping the child's brain develop properly. If not supplemented when low, IQ will suffer, this is well documented. Giving Armour after a trial supplementation of large amounts of selenium, iodine (kelp as well as iodine) and Tyrosine were instrumental in moving her attention levels to entirely normal....no more ADD. The improvements we got in appetite normalization, the end to intermittent constipation and other issues were second only to chelation, here. additionally, given that we used to get iodine from table salt and even bread and other products, the manufacturing process of these products where we used to get our source of iodine, bromine has replaced iodine and therefore, bromine competes with the same binding sites as iodine in the body. when this occurs, people may develop clinical hypothyroidism because iodine uptake has been decreased to a point where very small amounts can be absorbed by the body. iodine is important in the formation of the thyroid hormone. it might be a better to see if the child is actually deficient in iodine rather than supplementing with any kind of RX thyroid medication. lastly, there are several asthma inhalers that have bromine as an inactive ingredient. therefore, this can potentially exacerbate the hypothyroidism in asthmatics who have this as well. terry registered pharmacist See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 , I am very interested in what you have had to say because my sons symptoms sound similiar to your child. My son was born with blue hands and feet. He also has ADD issues. When you started the Armour thyroid did you notice change? You talked about supplementing Selenium. My son is very low in this according to his testing. Were your childs T3 and T4 way out of range? Thanks, Sara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JavaNut418@... > > > > > i believe giving armour thyroid suppresses the thyroid gland over time. the higher the dose, the less the thyroid hormone output from the actual thyroid gland. over time, the gland will decrease in its natural ability to produce the thyroid hormone thus probably lead to a lifetime requirement of external thyroid medication. > > ===>This may or may not be true, if there is mercury present or toxicity issues or autoimmunity that prevent the thyroid from working properly. > > > > in older women, who by the way, usually develop hypothyroidism, when taking any form of thryroid medication increase their chances of developing osteoporosis. > > ===>There is no scientific consensus about this point and it continues to be debated by endocrinologists. What is not debated is that it takes adequate levels of Free T3 for a child's brain to develop properly. If selenium and iodine and tyrosine are supplemented and fail to raise the level of Free T3 then Armour thyroid is an important part of helping the child's brain develop properly. If not supplemented when low, IQ will suffer, this is well documented. > > Giving Armour after a trial supplementation of large amounts of selenium, iodine (kelp as well as iodine) and Tyrosine were instrumental in moving her attention levels to entirely normal....no more ADD. The improvements we got in appetite normalization, the end to intermittent constipation and other issues were second only to chelation, here. > > > > additionally, given that we used to get iodine from table salt and even bread and other products, the manufacturing process of these products where we used to get our source of iodine, bromine has replaced iodine and therefore, bromine competes with the same binding sites as iodine in the body. when this occurs, people may develop clinical hypothyroidism because iodine uptake has been decreased to a point where very small amounts can be absorbed by the body. iodine is important in the formation of the thyroid hormone. it might be a better to see if the child is actually deficient in iodine rather than supplementing with any kind of RX thyroid medication. > > lastly, there are several asthma inhalers that have bromine as an inactive ingredient. therefore, this can potentially exacerbate the hypothyroidism in asthmatics who have this as well. > > terry > registered pharmacist > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Her TSH and Free T4 were in range, only the Free T3 was 2 points lower than normal despite supplementation with selenium, iodine and tyrosine. Her selenium started out low, came into range but did not affect the Free T3 to normal. The change we noticed was attention to normal from ADD symptoms. Her appetite improved (she was previously totally anorexic at 3-4 years, could and would go days without eating the times we were stupid enough to listen to people who said she would eat when she was hungry) and the intermittent constipation was also gone. It did take about 4 weeks for the Armour to effect the attention changes, but as long as the levels are kept steady she has no further attention problems. She is now in a regular first grade classroom with no aide and does well cognitively and socially. She completed a regular all day kindergarten program, again with no aide and did well. The Armour was started when she was 4.5 years. Make sure you are using the correct pediatric reference ranges for the Tsh, Free T3 and Free T4. The ref ranges that they put, even on pediatric patients are for adults, not children, believe it or not. I believe they are in the files section here. If not ask and I'll ask someone to put them there. Good luck, Re: Thyroid ,I am very interested in what you have had to say because my sons symptoms sound similiar to your child. My son was born with blue hands and feet. He also has ADD issues. When you started the Armour thyroid did you notice change? You talked about supplementing Selenium. My son is very low in this according to his testing. Were your childs T3 and T4 way out of range?Thanks,Sara>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JavaNut418@... > > > > > i believe giving armour thyroid suppresses the thyroid gland over time. the higher the dose, the less the thyroid hormone output from the actual thyroid gland. over time, the gland will decrease in its natural ability to produce the thyroid hormone thus probably lead to a lifetime requirement of external thyroid medication.> > ===>This may or may not be true, if there is mercury present or toxicity issues or autoimmunity that prevent the thyroid from working properly.> > > > in older women, who by the way, usually develop hypothyroidism, when taking any form of thryroid medication increase their chances of developing osteoporosis.> > ===>There is no scientific consensus about this point and it continues to be debated by endocrinologists. What is not debated is that it takes adequate levels of Free T3 for a child's brain to develop properly. If selenium and iodine and tyrosine are supplemented and fail to raise the level of Free T3 then Armour thyroid is an important part of helping the child's brain develop properly. If not supplemented when low, IQ will suffer, this is well documented.> > Giving Armour after a trial supplementation of large amounts of selenium, iodine (kelp as well as iodine) and Tyrosine were instrumental in moving her attention levels to entirely normal....no more ADD. The improvements we got in appetite normalization, the end to intermittent constipation and other issues were second only to chelation, here.> > > > additionally, given that we used to get iodine from table salt and even bread and other products, the manufacturing process of these products where we used to get our source of iodine, bromine has replaced iodine and therefore, bromine competes with the same binding sites as iodine in the body. when this occurs, people may develop clinical hypothyroidism because iodine uptake has been decreased to a point where very small amounts can be absorbed by the body. iodine is important in the formation of the thyroid hormone. it might be a better to see if the child is actually deficient in iodine rather than supplementing with any kind of RX thyroid medication. > > lastly, there are several asthma inhalers that have bromine as an inactive ingredient. therefore, this can potentially exacerbate the hypothyroidism in asthmatics who have this as well.> > terry> registered pharmacist> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Thanks , What is the difference between T3 and free T3. We had blood drawn at Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia and they did not have a Free T3 test. Is it important to do the Free verses reg T3? I would be interested to see what pediatric ranges are. Our Dan said what they had on our test results should be right considering it was a childrens hospital. T4 was (4.7-10.8), my sons was 10.4 and T3 was (.8-2.2), my sons was 2.5 (out of range). Thanks, Sara > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JavaNut418@ > > > > > > > > > > i believe giving armour thyroid suppresses the thyroid gland > over time. the higher the dose, the less the thyroid hormone output > from the actual thyroid gland. over time, the gland will decrease > in its natural ability to produce the thyroid hormone thus probably > lead to a lifetime requirement of external thyroid medication. > > > > ===>This may or may not be true, if there is mercury present or > toxicity issues or autoimmunity that prevent the thyroid from > working properly. > > > > > > > > in older women, who by the way, usually develop hypothyroidism, > when taking any form of thryroid medication increase their chances > of developing osteoporosis. > > > > ===>There is no scientific consensus about this point and it > continues to be debated by endocrinologists. What is not debated is > that it takes adequate levels of Free T3 for a child's brain to > develop properly. If selenium and iodine and tyrosine are > supplemented and fail to raise the level of Free T3 then Armour > thyroid is an important part of helping the child's brain develop > properly. If not supplemented when low, IQ will suffer, this is well > documented. > > > > Giving Armour after a trial supplementation of large amounts of > selenium, iodine (kelp as well as iodine) and Tyrosine were > instrumental in moving her attention levels to entirely normal....no > more ADD. The improvements we got in appetite normalization, the end > to intermittent constipation and other issues were second only to > chelation, here. > > > > > > > > additionally, given that we used to get iodine from table salt > and even bread and other products, the manufacturing process of > these products where we used to get our source of iodine, bromine > has replaced iodine and therefore, bromine competes with the same > binding sites as iodine in the body. when this occurs, people may > develop clinical hypothyroidism because iodine uptake has been > decreased to a point where very small amounts can be absorbed by the > body. iodine is important in the formation of the thyroid hormone. > it might be a better to see if the child is actually deficient in > iodine rather than supplementing with any kind of RX thyroid > medication. > > > > lastly, there are several asthma inhalers that have bromine as > an inactive ingredient. therefore, this can potentially exacerbate > the hypothyroidism in asthmatics who have this as well. > > > > terry > > registered pharmacist > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 i was not refuting the positive effects of thyroid medication when indicated. perhaps your success with the addition of the thyroid medication was due to chelation, however,i was merely stating that there is a possibility of suppressing the thryroid gland at high or long term doses. this is true for the general population. maybe not so in children who have other causes for their autoimmunity? terrySee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 My DAN ordered it NataliaPamela Leigh wrote: No, is this something our DAN! doc could do? Pamela "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared." Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of natasa778Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:06 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Thyroid Have you tested him for antibodies?natasa>> Many ASD children are cropping up with thyroid issues. Metals are> suspected. My son has hypothyroidism and takes Armour. We have astrong> family history of this.>>>> Pamela>> "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courageunless> you're scared.">> Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI>>>> _____>> From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On> Behalf Of Sara> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:33 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Thyroid>>>> I have brought up the discussion on thyroid levels before and my son> has been tested a few times and was in the high normal range for both> T4 and T3. We went back bc they didn't run the free T3 (they claimed> they don't have that test) so they ran the T3 again and this time it> was just above normal range. I have a phone consult coming up to> discuss this with Dr. DeMio (our DAN) but wanted any thoughts from> anyone experienced with thyroid issues (Natasa?). I have hashimotos> hypothyroid. I am wondering if he should be on something like armour> thyroid? I am nursing and I take synthroid but I know that it doesn't> have T3.> Also I have been wondering about adding MB12 nasal spray. He is 18> months and has been on the shots since he was 9 months. He had an> initial wow but nothing since. I think he may need something more.> Any thoughts?> Thanks,> Sara> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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