Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Dear , This is in Revelations, It's the comming of the Antichrist..and it seems to me it is upon us as I write this..pray for all..and keep watch, before long the third antichrist will be in power and control every facet of humanity....and to buy and sell, you will be micro chipped with "the mark of the beast"......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I too have struggled with this one. It is against the ten commandments to lie yet to sell for pet food when you know it isn't going to be consumed by a four legged creature is lying. Not that it is good to have these problems but it is sure nice to know I am not alone. We have one man that told me to put animal consumption on the jars and told me I am not lying because we are all animals. Never thought of it like that before but it did make me feel better about the whole thing. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Re: Christianity and the Law I agree with you, . D.>> I know some of ye on here are followers of Christ. I am as well. For> those of you that are, do you believe the bible forbids breaking > the law when the law is harmful to one's health? For example, lets> say that the FDA or USDA or some branch of the behemoth govt decided> to "outlaw" raw milk altogether. No buying it as pet food, no cow share> program, etc. Now lets say they also "outlaw" all meat (cow, lamd,> chicken, etc) that has not> been irradiated and treated to 'prevent' illnesses. Along with that> they basically take total control over all foods, water, vitamins etc.> In this hypothetical, all nutrition is under their control. You must > drink dead milk, eat dead meat and dead veggies etc. This in turn> leads to hardening of the arteries, alzheimers, and a whole host of> other diseases.> Question: Is it wrong to break the law in that scenario? I maintain > that it is not only NOT wrong, but it is required of the christian to> break the law. To not do so is to harm one's self and one's family. > > > blessings,> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 “We have one man that told me to put animal consumption on the jars and told me I am not lying because we are all animals. Never thought of it like that before but it did make me feel better about the whole thing. “ Debbie, Then perhaps he’s not read the Bible verse about man being made in the image of God. Or the other verses about God making man with one type of flesh, and animals with another. We’re not animals. -Sharon, NH Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will have plenty to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 In reading the 10 Commandments, there is nothing in there about telling a lie. Naturally, I believe what you put out comes back on you, and in the eyes of God, it may be wrong to lie. However, there are times when "white" lies saves feelings, protects lives, etc. So, if you are labeling milk for "pets", but believe people are drinking it, who is to say they aren't petting the people first (LMAO). In the old days, men would call their ladies "My Pet". I don't think you would be punished for that since you are serving the greater good and providing healthy food. What you know in your heart doesn't necessarily mean it's so. You can have a hunch what is being done with the milk, but unless you actually see it, who is to say? K.C. Re: Christianity and the Law I agree with you, . D.>> I know some of ye on here are followers of Christ. I am as well. For> those of you that are, do you believe the bible forbids breaking > the law when the law is harmful to one's health? For example, lets> say that the FDA or USDA or some branch of the behemoth govt decided> to "outlaw" raw milk altogether. No buying it as pet food, no cow share> program, etc. Now lets say they also "outlaw" all meat (cow, lamd,> chicken, etc) that has not> been irradiated and treated to 'prevent' illnesses. Along with that> they basically take total control over all foods, water, vitamins etc.> In this hypothetical, all nutrition is under their control. You must > drink dead milk, eat dead meat and dead veggies etc. This in turn> leads to hardening of the arteries, alzheimers, and a whole host of> other diseases.> Question: Is it wrong to break the law in that scenario? I maintain > that it is not only NOT wrong, but it is required of the christian to> break the law. To not do so is to harm one's self and one's family. > > > blessings,> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I agree wholeheartedly with all this K.C. But just FYI, the ninth commandment, " Thou shalt not bear false witness... " is talking about lying. Just FYI. :-) D. > > In reading the 10 Commandments, there is nothing in there about telling a lie. Naturally, I believe what you put out comes back on you, and in the eyes of God, it may be wrong to lie. However, there are times when " white " lies saves feelings, protects lives, etc. So, if you are labeling milk for " pets " , but believe people are drinking it, who is to say they aren't petting the people first (LMAO). In the old days, men would call their ladies " My Pet " . > > I don't think you would be punished for that since you are serving the greater good and providing healthy food. What you know in your heart doesn't necessarily mean it's so. You can have a hunch what is being done with the milk, but unless you actually see it, who is to say? > > K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 KC wrote: " Well, we aren't vegetable or mineral (LOL). Scientifically, we are animals. " To which Sharon replied: Well, KC, heehaw away, but " scientifically " , and I use that term loosely, what you are talking about is " evolution " - the idea that humans have evolved from animals. Traditional, orthodox Christians follow the teachings of Genesis 1 - creationism - of which I am one. I would say that logic fails for both. " Scientific " does not mean " Pro-evolution " just as " Christian " does not mean " Pro-creationism or pro-intelligent design " (The latter quickly falls apart intellecually, when considered form the negative hypothsis standpoint). By defination, humans are mamamals, which makes us animals. Since we are created " Imago Dei " , in the image of God, we are so much more. Until the late 1800s Christians accepted scientific theroy and principle. Let us ask the right questions: Science is about HOW, WHAT AND WHEN. Faith is about WHO and WHY? Therefore, I believe that the deity gave me a cow that I might drink raw milk that long might be the days upon the land which (S)He has given me. Bill Dunlap __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Moderators: How is this thread on topic for RawDairy. There are plenty of places where science vs religion can be argued. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Therefore, I believe that the deity gave me a cow that I might drink raw milk that long might be the days upon the land which (S)He has given me. Bill Dunlap And to which the peoples replied.....AMEN !!!! and I second the notion...If I may be so bold, Jesus lived OFF the land ..and he seemed to also resent the "law" of the time ...ie Pharasees, etc....and if we all may remember he was crucified for it......just something to remember.... have a nice day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Thanks Bill. Once again you have cleared things up with your wonderful explanation. K.C. Christianity and the Law KC wrote: "Well, we aren't vegetable or mineral (LOL).Scientifically, we are animals." To which Sharon replied:Well, KC, heehaw away, but "scientifically", and I usethat term loosely, what you are talking about is"evolution" - the idea that humans have evolved fromanimals. Traditional, orthodox Christians follow theteachings of Genesis 1 - creationism - of which I amone. I would say that logic fails for both. "Scientific"does not mean "Pro-evolution" just as "Christian" doesnot mean "Pro-creationism or pro-intelligent design"(The latter quickly falls apart intellecually, whenconsidered form the negative hypothsis standpoint). Bydefination, humans are mamamals, which makes usanimals. Since we are created "Imago Dei", in theimage of God, we are so much more. Until the late1800s Christians accepted scientific theroy andprinciple. Let us ask the right questions: Science isabout HOW, WHAT AND WHEN. Faith is about WHO and WHY?Therefore, I believe that the deity gave me a cow thatI might drink raw milk that long might be the daysupon the land which (S)He has given me.Bill Dunlap __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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