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Hi Cristi! Welcome back, glad to have you anytime. :) I remember

you from way back when ;) and am glad to hear you did so well in your

first challenge. No worries about staying on track this time, just

check in on a daily basis and post anytime, even if it's just " hi I'm

on track still " . Jeanne M. just finished her 1st challenge and I

remember she posted alot during her 1st few weeks... it seemed to

help her stay on track even when she was a little discouraged every

now and then. Keep us posted and train hard.

Jen B.

> Hi, BFL-ers,

> My name is Cristi and I just wanted to take a sec to introduce

myself. I

> was on the list from January to April 2001 and then popped off for

a bit. I

> completed my first challenge in April and was quite successful.

However, I

> made a bad decision (for me) and took a week off between challenges

and

> never got back on track for challenge #2. I have started challenge

#2 three

> or maybe even four times and got through week one or two before

getting side

> tracked. In my first challenge I lost 22 pounds and was feeling

great. I

> have gained a bit of it back but am now ready to get back on track.

>

> I really contribute a lot of my success in my last challenge to

support I

> recieved on-line both here and also on the websites where I was

able to read

> success stories. I think seeing other people's accomplishments

really

> helps! And talking about foods and working out and eating

situations really

> helps! So, I am back .... why I ever left is beyond me! I feel so

> wonderful doing BFL that it is amazing that I can get side tracked.

>

> I feel getting in shape and staying healthy is so important! As a

mom to

> three young boys, I want to be around for a long time! And not

just sitting

> around watching their soccer and baseball games. I want to be

there helping

> them practice and running and playing with them as much as I can.

I have

> always been over weight and was never pushed to do anything

athletic. Last

> summer, my dh and I started running and I completed my first 5K.

It was a

> great feeling! I am hoping to run a 10K the end of November.

>

> So, I started my second challenge for the last time today. I am

not doing

> too much differently from my first challenge. My one big goal is

to try to

> keep some accurate logs of not only what I am eating and lifting

but also

> how I am feeling and what is making me eat or not eat correctly.

Also, I

> plan on writing daily goals to help me out. Does anyone keep their

goals

> and such in a blog? Was toying with the idea. Not sure if I want

the whole

> internet looking at my goals but it would be an easy way to keep

track of

> things.

>

> Personally, I live in IL with my dudes. I work on-line in a few

different

> capacities ... I own my own web design company (WebPagesbyMom.com)

and also

> am the Vice-President of Operations for a women's network on-line

called

> HerPlanet.com. Looking forward to meeting all those who joined the

list

> since April and remeeting all those that have been here for awhile!

>

> :-)

> Cristi

> c2d1w1

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LOL, Lana,

You can get on my butt as much as you like! And it is nice to know there is

someone else at the same point in their challenge as I am. And we finish on

Christmas Eve!!! Too neat! I was just thinking I should figure out when

this one ends so I can keep looking forward! That will be perfect. Take a

small break between Christmas and New Year ... I like the idea of a modified

week off ... and right back up the beginning of January!

So, this being your third challenge, what are you goals? And how far have

you come? Just being nosey! And curious!

:-)

Cristi

c2d1w1

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> Cristi....

>

> Welcome back!!!

>

> Hun.. you made one mistake.. you started your second challenge the same

day

> I started my 3rd... know what that means??? I know exactly when to get on

> your butt!!! hehe. I will poke you and prod you and question your

> whereabouts if you go quiet. *poke*... hurts donnit.

> We finish christmas eve.. woooohooo!

>

> As for the week off... I think you need it.. but maybe if it's a problem

for

> you, you could do a modified week off... allow yourself as much bfl food

as

> you want to eat, and do light cardio each day. Anyway, you have 3 months

to

> worry about that!

>

> Lana

> c3w1d1!!!

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Hey, Jen B.,

Thanks for remembering me! I see a few familiar names around. I will be

checking in! Don't worry. I think support like this is priceless! How are

you doing on your challenge?

Congrats, Jeanne M. on finishing your 1st challenge!

:-)

Cristi

c2w1d1

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> Hi Cristi! Welcome back, glad to have you anytime. :) I remember

> you from way back when ;) and am glad to hear you did so well in your

> first challenge. No worries about staying on track this time, just

> check in on a daily basis and post anytime, even if it's just " hi I'm

> on track still " . Jeanne M. just finished her 1st challenge and I

> remember she posted alot during her 1st few weeks... it seemed to

> help her stay on track even when she was a little discouraged every

> now and then. Keep us posted and train hard.

>

> Jen B.

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Cristi,

Yep, yep, yep, support like this IS priceless!!! :) I'm with you

and Lana, starting a new challenge today but for me it's C5!!!! Can't

believe it's been that long, but here I am. ;) We three ladies can

keep each other in line... Lana's specialty is poking (and she won't

let me in on that) so I picked kicking as my specialty, what's

yours? LOL... maybe a Three Stooges-style head bop???? hehe

Jen B.

> Hey, Jen B.,

> Thanks for remembering me! I see a few familiar names around. I

will be

> checking in! Don't worry. I think support like this is

priceless! How are

> you doing on your challenge?

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Welcome back Cristi. I think I barely remember you since I joined

the list in March. If you stay on this list and have Lana poking you

when needed, you can't fail!

Andyman

>

> > Hi, BFL-ers,

> > My name is Cristi and I just wanted to take a sec to introduce

> myself. I

> > was on the list from January to April 2001 and then popped off

for

> a bit. I

> > completed my first challenge in April and was quite successful.

> However, I

> > made a bad decision (for me) and took a week off between

challenges

> and

> > never got back on track for challenge #2. I have started

challenge

> #2 three

> > or maybe even four times and got through week one or two before

> getting side

> > tracked. In my first challenge I lost 22 pounds and was feeling

> great. I

> > have gained a bit of it back but am now ready to get back on

track.

> >

> > I really contribute a lot of my success in my last challenge to

> support I

> > recieved on-line both here and also on the websites where I was

> able to read

> > success stories. I think seeing other people's accomplishments

> really

> > helps! And talking about foods and working out and eating

> situations really

> > helps! So, I am back .... why I ever left is beyond me! I feel

so

> > wonderful doing BFL that it is amazing that I can get side

tracked.

> >

> > I feel getting in shape and staying healthy is so important! As

a

> mom to

> > three young boys, I want to be around for a long time! And not

> just sitting

> > around watching their soccer and baseball games. I want to be

> there helping

> > them practice and running and playing with them as much as I

can.

> I have

> > always been over weight and was never pushed to do anything

> athletic. Last

> > summer, my dh and I started running and I completed my first 5K.

> It was a

> > great feeling! I am hoping to run a 10K the end of November.

> >

> > So, I started my second challenge for the last time today. I am

> not doing

> > too much differently from my first challenge. My one big goal is

> to try to

> > keep some accurate logs of not only what I am eating and lifting

> but also

> > how I am feeling and what is making me eat or not eat correctly.

> Also, I

> > plan on writing daily goals to help me out. Does anyone keep

their

> goals

> > and such in a blog? Was toying with the idea. Not sure if I

want

> the whole

> > internet looking at my goals but it would be an easy way to keep

> track of

> > things.

> >

> > Personally, I live in IL with my dudes. I work on-line in a few

> different

> > capacities ... I own my own web design company

(WebPagesbyMom.com)

> and also

> > am the Vice-President of Operations for a women's network on-line

> called

> > HerPlanet.com. Looking forward to meeting all those who joined

the

> list

> > since April and remeeting all those that have been here for

awhile!

> >

> > :-)

> > Cristi

> > c2d1w1

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Hi Cristi,

I am/was in the same boat with you. Finished my first challenge and

couldn't get going on the second challenge. I did start and re-start

many, many too many times. Only to fail after 4 or 5 weeks.

Continually getting off track and not being able to get it together.

I am back with you too. Let's go girl...

the force be with you,

C2W2D1? but who is keeping track any way?

> Hi, BFL-ers,

> My name is Cristi and I just wanted to take a sec to introduce

myself. I

> was on the list from January to April 2001 and then popped off for

a bit. I

> completed my first challenge in April and was quite successful.

However, I

> made a bad decision (for me) and took a week off between challenges

and

> never got back on track for challenge #2. I have started challenge

#2 three

> or maybe even four times and got through week one or two before

getting side

> tracked. In my first challenge I lost 22 pounds and was feeling

great. I

> have gained a bit of it back but am now ready to get back on track.

>

> I really contribute a lot of my success in my last challenge to

support I

> recieved on-line both here and also on the websites where I was

able to read

> success stories. I think seeing other people's accomplishments

really

> helps! And talking about foods and working out and eating

situations really

> helps! So, I am back .... why I ever left is beyond me! I feel so

> wonderful doing BFL that it is amazing that I can get side tracked.

>

> I feel getting in shape and staying healthy is so important! As a

mom to

> three young boys, I want to be around for a long time! And not

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LOL, Jen! How neat that we are all starting on the same day to keep each

other in line! So, what are your goals this challenge? Have you completed

five challenges in a row? If so, that is fabulous! And if not, doing and

completing five just wows me! Congrats!!

:-)

Cristi

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> Cristi,

>

> Yep, yep, yep, support like this IS priceless!!! :) I'm with you

> and Lana, starting a new challenge today but for me it's C5!!!! Can't

> believe it's been that long, but here I am. ;) We three ladies can

> keep each other in line... Lana's specialty is poking (and she won't

> let me in on that) so I picked kicking as my specialty, what's

> yours? LOL... maybe a Three Stooges-style head bop???? hehe

>

> Jen B.

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Thanks, Andyman,

And Lana everyone is mentioning your poking ;-) Can't wait to be poked!

How are your challenges going Andyman?

:-)

Cristi

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> Welcome back Cristi. I think I barely remember you since I joined

> the list in March. If you stay on this list and have Lana poking you

> when needed, you can't fail!

>

> Andyman

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We will not fail this type, ! We are going to finish this second

challenge for sure ;-) Thanks for the support!

Cristi

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> Hi Cristi,

> I am/was in the same boat with you. Finished my first challenge and

> couldn't get going on the second challenge. I did start and re-start

> many, many too many times. Only to fail after 4 or 5 weeks.

> Continually getting off track and not being able to get it together.

> I am back with you too. Let's go girl...

> the force be with you,

>

> C2W2D1? but who is keeping track any way?

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Hi Christi!

Welcome to the group! I'm starting C2 next Monday, this is my semi-

off week, but I am going to eat BFL for the most part until then.

I'm from Phoenix. It's great to meet people from all over the

country, isn't it? Jeanne

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Hi, Jeanne,

Phoenix! Neat!! So what is the temp in Phoenix today? It is 85 here in

the Chicagoland but cooling down by the end of the week. I will miss summer

:-( I love to run outside. Now, I have to start using my treadmill. Have

a nice semi-off week! And good luck on C2. How did C1 go? Did you meet

all your goals?? Do you have new goals for C2? I would love to hear them

if you would like to share.

:-)

Cristi

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> Hi Christi!

> Welcome to the group! I'm starting C2 next Monday, this is my semi-

> off week, but I am going to eat BFL for the most part until then.

> I'm from Phoenix. It's great to meet people from all over the

> country, isn't it? Jeanne

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Cristi,

I've finished 4 challenges with 1-2 weeks off in between. It has

been reallllly slow going, but looking back a year ago, I have really

come a long way... started as a tight size 18 and went down to a size

8-10 (only up a size after the last 2 weeks of eating like it was

going out of style - NOT recommended, LOL).

Goals for this challenge - size 4-6, an 8-minute mile, and a few more

that I won't bore you with the details. :) Feel free to email me

anytime if you have questions you would rather not post to the

group. I am coaching 3 people (strictly online) and it has been a

lot of fun.

Jen B.

C5W1D2

> LOL, Jen! How neat that we are all starting on the same day to

keep each

> other in line! So, what are your goals this challenge? Have you

completed

> five challenges in a row? If so, that is fabulous! And if not,

doing and

> completing five just wows me! Congrats!!

>

> :-)

> Cristi

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Whoa!! Hey, just the other month your goal was to do a

10 minute mile...that's when I suggested we run

together. Now you've sped up on me! Can't wait to get

back into cardio but an 8 minute mile may be pushing

it for me...you'll have to pretend I'm chasing you ;)

- who is going through slight WO withdrawals

during my free week

--- " Jen B. " wrote:

> Goals for this challenge - size 4-6, an 8-minute

> mile, and a few more

> that I won't bore you with the details.

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  • 7 years later...

Hi.

My name is McGovern and I'm new to this group so I thought I

would say a few words of introduction.

I was first dx with Hepatitis C when the tests first came out either

89, 90, or 91 (I can't remember exactly). I had a biopsy then which

indicated chronic Hepatitis C with no inflammation or fibrosis. My

gastroenterologist at the time said that it was nothing to worry

about, avoid alcohol, and I would probably live a long healthy life

unaffected by the illness. So I basically ignored it (I did quit

drinking completely). My enzymes were moderately elevated and no one

seemed too concerned about it (AST and ALT in the 50s and 60s).

Sometime in 2003 I got a report from my primary care physician that my

viral count was way high as were my enzymes. My viral count at that

time was about 18,000,000 and the enzymes were in the 700/800 range. I

was also having a lot of trouble at work.

I was falling asleep all the time and my boss was continually worried

about my job performance (which was new for me). I worked at a

community college running (and occasionally teaching) a small

computer certification program for training computer technicians

I went for a second biopsy from an A-hole, arrogant doctor who

practically guaranteed me that the biopsy was a waste of time because

he could tell by looking at me that it would come up negative for

fibrosis.

He was way wrong and the biopsy showed inflammation at grade 2, and

severe fibrosis stage three. I was so tired all the time I couldn't

work anymore and quit working. My jobs disability insurance kicked in

a monthly payment and a year after that I applied, for, and received

SS disability on the first go round.

I also immediately started work with a naturopath in the Portland are

(Keivan Jinnah ND) who's specialty was working with people with liver

disease.

For four years I went to his office for acupuncture, herbs,

supplements, and homeopathics.

I started to feel better, although the fatigue has persisted to this

day in an incapacitating way. I am still unable to work and find

performing the daily tasks of living day to day to be a challenge.

Before September I noticed the fatigue seemed to be getting a little

worse.

Despite that, my health improved under Dr Jinnah's care. Gastro issues

were resolved - extreme dry skin and splitting nails resolved -

stomach bloating resolved - and liver enzymes dropped to between the

50s and 200s. Viral load has dropped to about 8,000,000. My family

doctor has also been a good source of information and support. Aside

from the crippling fatigue, I would say I feel healthy. I sleep well,

eat really well (more on diet later), exercise as I can, socialize,

read and study, and for the most part have my depression just under

control. Plus we just got a new puppy. (you can see pictures of the

puppy (and me and my wife) at. http://www.peterandjeanne.com . For

more pictures of the puppy you can go to

http://www.peterandjeanne.com/tiki.htm.

In september I went in to OHSU under the care of Atif Zaman MD and

underwent a biopsy (see the recent biopsy thread in this group for

more info) that showed my liver had deteriorated from stage 3

(fibrosis) to stage 4 (cirrhosis).

So I went to NYC to consult with Dr. Zhang who practices Modern

Chinese Medicine and Dr Ira son who is the chief hepatologist at

New York Hospital. Dr. Zhang changed my herbal protocol and I'm

feeling a little better 2 months later. I haven't had blood work since

then.

Here's what the doctors are saying about treatment:

Atif Zaman MD OHSU -- recommend I start combo right away or " in five

years you'll be in big trouble'

Ira son NY Hospital -- Start combo treatment right away or get

into a study if you can. His big fear is the increased risk of liver

cancer with cirrhosis. " We see two new cases of liver a cancer a week

in here " .

Dr. Zhang (Chinese MD). - more ambivalent about combo(interferon)

treatment. Says I might do it because I have progressed to stage

4..but his writings indicate that he believes it is not likely to

eradicate the virus. Is not worried about liver cancer because I am

not in the same 'sampling' that son uses.

Dr. Jinnah ND. Basically the same as Dr Zhang - but feels that the

interferon would be hard for me because of my mental health issues and

also feels that the treatment would be hard on my healthy organs. Also

is not worried about cancer.

(Both of the above 'alternative' practitioners have treated MANY

patients of Hepatitis C over the years and have seen relatively few

cases of liver cancer).

Both Dr Jinnah and Dr Zhang believe that i would continue to do well

on the alternative treatments...especially if they can bring my liver

enzymes back in the normal range.

Dr. Bonnie Reagan my PCP is also ambivalent about the Interferon combo

treatment. She has several patients who took it..some had few

problems..but a few have had permanent issues that have reduced the

quuality of their life significantly. She would not like to see me

take it but she will not push me either way.

My own bias is against the interferon treatment for me...I'm older

(58), have had the disease a long time (I think I got it sometime

between 1965-1974), have a family history of depression (with

successful suicides on both sides of my family (including my

biological father), am already completely fatgiued to the point that I

am depressed about it, and have worked extremely hard to get my health

and mood to where it is. TX would, I believe, throw all that to the

winds. I also have some autoimmune problems from the Hepatitis C. I

have oral lichen planus and have lost four or five teeth to an immune

glitch where my teeth start to eat themselves. My baisc fear is that I

would take the TX, would clear the virus (or not)..would suffer

horribly from the sides..would end up with other issues (thyroid,

depression, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, arthritis, pancreas,

kidney, adrenal, etc.) and then would end up with the virus

reestablishing itself leaving me with a host of health problems, worse

fatigue and depression, and possibly decompensated cirrhosis instead

of compensated cirrhosis.

The other problem I have for myself..is that I already have cirrhosis.

Dr Zaman wants to treat the sides of TX aggressively. My guess is,

that to successfully navigate through TX, I would have to take a lot

of drugs...low doses of acetaminophen, possibly procrit, certainly

anti-depressants, etc. A year of that would certainly NOT be helpful

to my liver. A friend of mine is taking interferon for cancer and the

basic worry his doctor has for him is that interferon is harmful to

his liver! If I didn't clear the virus (and even if I did)...I am

fearful the TX, and the drugs I would have to take in support of it,

would be harmful to the quality of my life.

I'd like to hang on at least five more years and see what they've come

up with. So many people are turning up with this virus that it will be

increasingly profitable for someone to come up with something that

works better than what they have now.

So I'm interested in Dr Berkson's treatment with IV alpha lipoic acid,

selenium, and milt thistle. I haven't read or heard of any negative

experiences with him.

Bottom line: I'm hoping to hang on for as long as I can till they come

up with a better treatment that has better odds.

So that's my introduction. I look forward to reading your stories,

learning from your experiences, and helping where I can.

I'm hoping to connect here with people who are in my shoes...and to

learn from them what they have done: what success stories there

are..what mistakes people have made..and what has worked and what

hasn't worked as they live life with this disease.

Because of my fatigue and trying to keep up with my daily life...I may

or may not be able to keep up with this group as much as I would like.

But I'll do my best.

Best Regards (and thanks in advance)to All,

Cheers,

McGovern

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Hi ,

I appreciate your e-mail and we have quite a bit in common. I am 52. I was diagnosed in 1996 but I know I got it in 1978. When I was diagnosed I had no sign of it. No elevation and no scaring and no fibrosis. They told me then that because I was 1a and a woman that I should do nothing. Don't drink and eat right and I should live a long life. I went back in in 2007 for an update. I was given a biopsy that came back stage 3 fibrosis with no inflammation so they told me to give it a few months and try to lose some weight I had gained and see where we are. A month later I ended up in the hospital with a cat scan for something else. They found that my spleen was swollen and I had portal hypertension and cirrhosis. I said "what the hell"................!! They said sorry but sometimes the biopsy gets a good piece so we didn't know. Not sure how I should feel about

that statement. I was then told I needed to see a liver doctor and blood doctor as my blood ranges were already affected. I started treatment Nov 1 2008 and have had 11 shots. I have 37 to go. I am tired quite a bit. I am on procrit and neuprin. They are starting to work. I went from 1.5 million in white blood cells to 7 million last Thursday and had energy for the first time in 3 months. I do get sick of the whole thing. I am working about 6 hours a day. I own a staffing company and its important that I at least show up for a few hours every day. My legs are swollen and my gums bleed. I can only eat bits at a time. I am not losing weight which is shocking to me. If I had to do it all over again I would of done the TX when I was diagnosed in 96.........good luck .

Subject: IntroductionTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:01 PM

Hi.My name is McGovern and I'm new to this group so I thought Iwould say a few words of introduction.I was first dx with Hepatitis C when the tests first came out either89, 90, or 91 (I can't remember exactly). I had a biopsy then whichindicated chronic Hepatitis C with no inflammation or fibrosis. Mygastroenterologist at the time said that it was nothing to worryabout, avoid alcohol, and I would probably live a long healthy lifeunaffected by the illness. So I basically ignored it (I did quitdrinking completely). My enzymes were moderately elevated and no oneseemed too concerned about it (AST and ALT in the 50s and 60s).Sometime in 2003 I got a report from my primary care physician that myviral count was way high as were my enzymes. My viral count at thattime was about 18,000,000 and the enzymes were in the 700/800 range. Iwas also having a lot of trouble at

work.I was falling asleep all the time and my boss was continually worriedabout my job performance (which was new for me). I worked at acommunity college running (and occasionally teaching) a smallcomputer certification program for training computer techniciansI went for a second biopsy from an A-hole, arrogant doctor whopractically guaranteed me that the biopsy was a waste of time becausehe could tell by looking at me that it would come up negative forfibrosis.He was way wrong and the biopsy showed inflammation at grade 2, andsevere fibrosis stage three. I was so tired all the time I couldn'twork anymore and quit working. My jobs disability insurance kicked ina monthly payment and a year after that I applied, for, and receivedSS disability on the first go round.I also immediately started work with a naturopath in the Portland are(Keivan Jinnah ND) who's specialty was working

with people with liverdisease.For four years I went to his office for acupuncture, herbs,supplements, and homeopathics.I started to feel better, although the fatigue has persisted to thisday in an incapacitating way. I am still unable to work and findperforming the daily tasks of living day to day to be a challenge.Before September I noticed the fatigue seemed to be getting a littleworse.Despite that, my health improved under Dr Jinnah's care. Gastro issueswere resolved - extreme dry skin and splitting nails resolved -stomach bloating resolved - and liver enzymes dropped to between the50s and 200s. Viral load has dropped to about 8,000,000. My familydoctor has also been a good source of information and support. Asidefrom the crippling fatigue, I would say I feel healthy. I sleep well,eat really well (more on diet later), exercise as I can, socialize,read and study, and for the

most part have my depression just undercontrol. Plus we just got a new puppy. (you can see pictures of thepuppy (and me and my wife) at. http://www.peterand jeanne.com . Formore pictures of the puppy you can go tohttp://www.peterand jeanne.com/ tiki.htm.In september I went in to OHSU under the care of Atif Zaman MD andunderwent a biopsy (see the recent biopsy thread in this group formore info) that showed my liver had deteriorated from stage 3(fibrosis) to stage 4 (cirrhosis).So I went to NYC to consult with Dr. Zhang who practices ModernChinese Medicine and Dr Ira son who is the chief hepatologist atNew York Hospital. Dr. Zhang changed my herbal protocol and I'mfeeling a little better 2 months later. I haven't had blood work

sincethen.Here's what the doctors are saying about treatment:Atif Zaman MD OHSU -- recommend I start combo right away or "in fiveyears you'll be in big trouble'Ira son NY Hospital -- Start combo treatment right away or getinto a study if you can. His big fear is the increased risk of livercancer with cirrhosis. "We see two new cases of liver a cancer a weekin here". Dr. Zhang (Chinese MD). - more ambivalent about combo(interferon)treatment. Says I might do it because I have progressed to stage4..but his writings indicate that he believes it is not likely toeradicate the virus. Is not worried about liver cancer because I amnot in the same 'sampling' that son uses.Dr. Jinnah ND. Basically the same as Dr Zhang - but feels that theinterferon would be hard for me because of my mental health issues andalso feels that the treatment would be hard on my healthy organs.

Alsois not worried about cancer.(Both of the above 'alternative' practitioners have treated MANYpatients of Hepatitis C over the years and have seen relatively fewcases of liver cancer).Both Dr Jinnah and Dr Zhang believe that i would continue to do wellon the alternative treatments.. .especially if they can bring my liverenzymes back in the normal range.Dr. Bonnie Reagan my PCP is also ambivalent about the Interferon combotreatment. She has several patients who took it..some had fewproblems..but a few have had permanent issues that have reduced thequuality of their life significantly. She would not like to see metake it but she will not push me either way.My own bias is against the interferon treatment for me...I'm older(58), have had the disease a long time (I think I got it sometimebetween 1965-1974), have a family history of depression (withsuccessful suicides on both

sides of my family (including mybiological father), am already completely fatgiued to the point that Iam depressed about it, and have worked extremely hard to get my healthand mood to where it is. TX would, I believe, throw all that to thewinds. I also have some autoimmune problems from the Hepatitis C. Ihave oral lichen planus and have lost four or five teeth to an immuneglitch where my teeth start to eat themselves. My baisc fear is that Iwould take the TX, would clear the virus (or not)..would sufferhorribly from the sides..would end up with other issues (thyroid,depression, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, arthritis, pancreas,kidney, adrenal, etc.) and then would end up with the virusreestablishing itself leaving me with a host of health problems, worsefatigue and depression, and possibly decompensated cirrhosis insteadof compensated cirrhosis.The other problem I have for myself..is that I

already have cirrhosis.Dr Zaman wants to treat the sides of TX aggressively. My guess is,that to successfully navigate through TX, I would have to take a lotof drugs...low doses of acetaminophen, possibly procrit, certainlyanti-depressants, etc. A year of that would certainly NOT be helpfulto my liver. A friend of mine is taking interferon for cancer and thebasic worry his doctor has for him is that interferon is harmful tohis liver! If I didn't clear the virus (and even if I did)...I amfearful the TX, and the drugs I would have to take in support of it,would be harmful to the quality of my life.I'd like to hang on at least five more years and see what they've comeup with. So many people are turning up with this virus that it will beincreasingly profitable for someone to come up with something thatworks better than what they have now. So I'm interested in Dr Berkson's treatment with IV

alpha lipoic acid,selenium, and milt thistle. I haven't read or heard of any negativeexperiences with him.Bottom line: I'm hoping to hang on for as long as I can till they comeup with a better treatment that has better odds.So that's my introduction. I look forward to reading your stories,learning from your experiences, and helping where I can.I'm hoping to connect here with people who are in my shoes...and tolearn from them what they have done: what success stories thereare..what mistakes people have made..and what has worked and whathasn't worked as they live life with this disease.Because of my fatigue and trying to keep up with my daily life...I mayor may not be able to keep up with this group as much as I would like.But I'll do my best.Best Regards (and thanks in advance)to All,Cheers, McGovern

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Oh Val,

I can so relate to what you are saying. I'm at 20 wks too (of 48, I'm 1a) and

told my hubby last night if it weren't for him and the kid's, I'd quit. I was

really feeling blessed that I've only had a couple of ant hills to climb since I

started tx and now it feels like I'm crawling a damn mountain. I agree the

itching is awful. My daughter Jewel (6) asked me if I had fleas, she'd give me a

bath like we do the dogs.

I send you big hugs and know we can both (all of us) beat this.

Amber

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Re: Introduction

Hi :)

I have almost my entire life used alternatives and diet to heal.

Think this is a blessing???? Its not. Because I took such good care

of myself my Hepatitis C hid from yearly Dr. visits AND a bout of

kidney stones. No one had a clue I had HepC until I was diagnosed in

12/07.

I am now End Stage Liver Disease with complications and a

decompensated liver. I am a 3a which is the only reason they allowed

me to try Tx as well as being established for the transplant list.

Its really been a piece of cake for me :) The only thing its done to

my liver is lower my liver enzymes. I get a CT Scan in March so we

will know more. I am on week 20 of 28 weeks and only now is it

getting to me. I had no symptoms other than not being able to sleep

for the first 3 1/2 months. Its only the past month that the downhill

slide has progressed to hell :) Hey it beats death or a liver

transplant. My sides from Tx are psoriasis that is increasing getting

worse. My face feels so hot at night along with the itching from the

rashes, psoriasis I cover myself in ice packs which helps with the

itching immediately. My bloodwork is bad and getting worse. I have no

immune system but have not been sick or had a fever. I am sitting

here in Florida with the house temp at 76 degrees in a big furry

coat. I am always cold and always tired but becoming inceasingly more

so. It is no longer safe for me to drive due to brain fog but my area

is filled with people more brain dead than me LMAO so I continue to

drive short distances.

I tried alternatives and will go back to them. Not sure which one

yet. I have been virus negative since my 5th week and the nodules on

my liver were disappearing with just a diet change.

You sound like you have given up and in to the Dragon? I plan to kick

his butt until either he or I is dead. With a great diet specifically

tailored to your specific nutritional needs, a never give up attitude

and a support system YOU CAN DO ANYTHING.

I know I am living proof

>

> Hi.

>

> My name is McGovern and I'm new to this group so I thought I

> would say a few words of introduction.

>

> I was first dx with Hepatitis C when the tests first came out either

> 89, 90, or 91 (I can't remember exactly). I had a biopsy then which

> indicated chronic Hepatitis C with no inflammation or fibrosis. My

> gastroenterologist at the time said that it was nothing to worry

> about, avoid alcohol, and I would probably live a long healthy life

> unaffected by the illness. So I basically ignored it (I did quit

> drinking completely). My enzymes were moderately elevated and no one

> seemed too concerned about it (AST and ALT in the 50s and 60s).

>

> Sometime in 2003 I got a report from my primary care physician that

my

> viral count was way high as were my enzymes. My viral count at that

> time was about 18,000,000 and the enzymes were in the 700/800

range. I

> was also having a lot of trouble at work.

>

> I was falling asleep all the time and my boss was continually

worried

> about my job performance (which was new for me). I worked at a

> community college running (and occasionally teaching) a small

> computer certification program for training computer technicians

>

> I went for a second biopsy from an A-hole, arrogant doctor who

> practically guaranteed me that the biopsy was a waste of time

because

> he could tell by looking at me that it would come up negative for

> fibrosis.

>

> He was way wrong and the biopsy showed inflammation at grade 2, and

> severe fibrosis stage three. I was so tired all the time I couldn't

> work anymore and quit working. My jobs disability insurance kicked

in

> a monthly payment and a year after that I applied, for, and received

> SS disability on the first go round.

>

> I also immediately started work with a naturopath in the Portland

are

> (Keivan Jinnah ND) who's specialty was working with people with

liver

> disease.

>

> For four years I went to his office for acupuncture, herbs,

> supplements, and homeopathics.

>

> I started to feel better, although the fatigue has persisted to this

> day in an incapacitating way. I am still unable to work and find

> performing the daily tasks of living day to day to be a challenge.

> Before September I noticed the fatigue seemed to be getting a little

> worse.

>

> Despite that, my health improved under Dr Jinnah's care. Gastro

issues

> were resolved - extreme dry skin and splitting nails resolved -

> stomach bloating resolved - and liver enzymes dropped to between the

> 50s and 200s. Viral load has dropped to about 8,000,000. My family

> doctor has also been a good source of information and support. Aside

> from the crippling fatigue, I would say I feel healthy. I sleep

well,

> eat really well (more on diet later), exercise as I can, socialize,

> read and study, and for the most part have my depression just under

> control. Plus we just got a new puppy. (you can see pictures of the

> puppy (and me and my wife) at. http://www.peterandjeanne.com . For

> more pictures of the puppy you can go to

> http://www.peterandjeanne.com/tiki.htm.

>

>

> In september I went in to OHSU under the care of Atif Zaman MD and

> underwent a biopsy (see the recent biopsy thread in this group for

> more info) that showed my liver had deteriorated from stage 3

> (fibrosis) to stage 4 (cirrhosis).

>

> So I went to NYC to consult with Dr. Zhang who practices Modern

> Chinese Medicine and Dr Ira son who is the chief hepatologist

at

> New York Hospital. Dr. Zhang changed my herbal protocol and I'm

> feeling a little better 2 months later. I haven't had blood work

since

> then.

>

> Here's what the doctors are saying about treatment:

>

> Atif Zaman MD OHSU -- recommend I start combo right away or " in five

> years you'll be in big trouble'

>

> Ira son NY Hospital -- Start combo treatment right away or get

> into a study if you can. His big fear is the increased risk of liver

> cancer with cirrhosis. " We see two new cases of liver a cancer a

week

> in here " .

>

> Dr. Zhang (Chinese MD). - more ambivalent about combo(interferon)

> treatment. Says I might do it because I have progressed to stage

> 4..but his writings indicate that he believes it is not likely to

> eradicate the virus. Is not worried about liver cancer because I am

> not in the same 'sampling' that son uses.

>

> Dr. Jinnah ND. Basically the same as Dr Zhang - but feels that the

> interferon would be hard for me because of my mental health issues

and

> also feels that the treatment would be hard on my healthy organs.

Also

> is not worried about cancer.

>

> (Both of the above 'alternative' practitioners have treated MANY

> patients of Hepatitis C over the years and have seen relatively few

> cases of liver cancer).

>

> Both Dr Jinnah and Dr Zhang believe that i would continue to do well

> on the alternative treatments...especially if they can bring my

liver

> enzymes back in the normal range.

>

> Dr. Bonnie Reagan my PCP is also ambivalent about the Interferon

combo

> treatment. She has several patients who took it..some had few

> problems..but a few have had permanent issues that have reduced the

> quuality of their life significantly. She would not like to see me

> take it but she will not push me either way.

>

> My own bias is against the interferon treatment for me...I'm older

> (58), have had the disease a long time (I think I got it sometime

> between 1965-1974), have a family history of depression (with

> successful suicides on both sides of my family (including my

> biological father), am already completely fatgiued to the point

that I

> am depressed about it, and have worked extremely hard to get my

health

> and mood to where it is. TX would, I believe, throw all that to the

> winds. I also have some autoimmune problems from the Hepatitis C. I

> have oral lichen planus and have lost four or five teeth to an

immune

> glitch where my teeth start to eat themselves. My baisc fear is

that I

> would take the TX, would clear the virus (or not)..would suffer

> horribly from the sides..would end up with other issues (thyroid,

> depression, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, arthritis, pancreas,

> kidney, adrenal, etc.) and then would end up with the virus

> reestablishing itself leaving me with a host of health problems,

worse

> fatigue and depression, and possibly decompensated cirrhosis instead

> of compensated cirrhosis.

>

> The other problem I have for myself..is that I already have

cirrhosis.

> Dr Zaman wants to treat the sides of TX aggressively. My guess is,

> that to successfully navigate through TX, I would have to take a lot

> of drugs...low doses of acetaminophen, possibly procrit, certainly

> anti-depressants, etc. A year of that would certainly NOT be helpful

> to my liver. A friend of mine is taking interferon for cancer and

the

> basic worry his doctor has for him is that interferon is harmful to

> his liver! If I didn't clear the virus (and even if I did)...I am

> fearful the TX, and the drugs I would have to take in support of it,

> would be harmful to the quality of my life.

>

> I'd like to hang on at least five more years and see what they've

come

> up with. So many people are turning up with this virus that it will

be

> increasingly profitable for someone to come up with something that

> works better than what they have now.

>

> So I'm interested in Dr Berkson's treatment with IV alpha lipoic

acid,

> selenium, and milt thistle. I haven't read or heard of any negative

> experiences with him.

>

> Bottom line: I'm hoping to hang on for as long as I can till they

come

> up with a better treatment that has better odds.

>

> So that's my introduction. I look forward to reading your stories,

> learning from your experiences, and helping where I can.

>

> I'm hoping to connect here with people who are in my shoes...and to

> learn from them what they have done: what success stories there

> are..what mistakes people have made..and what has worked and what

> hasn't worked as they live life with this disease.

>

> Because of my fatigue and trying to keep up with my daily life...I

may

> or may not be able to keep up with this group as much as I would

like.

> But I'll do my best.

>

> Best Regards (and thanks in advance)to All,

>

> Cheers,

>

>

> McGovern

>

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