Re: hiv

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV causes AIDS. I

know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take protese

inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all healthy. It is

the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells) ,which have made many people sick

and were responsible for some peoples' deaths. I say steer clear of those

drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR. One of them is sudden death. Also

there are many other illness such as heptatis and tuberculosis which are

misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the AIDS test is an HIV antibody test, not

an HIV virus test. Most important of all, be positive with your patients.

HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, it's a theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I

wholeheartly support RIfe and thank him for his work.

DBrann1@... wrote:

I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a couple of

clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had experience using

a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have, time frame and

what machine(s) did they use?

You can respond to:

_Dbrann1@..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@...)

Thanks for any information

Darrell

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV causes AIDS. I

know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take protese

inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all healthy. It is

the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells) ,which have made many people sick

and were responsible for some peoples' deaths. I say steer clear of those

drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR. One of them is sudden death. Also

there are many other illness such as heptatis and tuberculosis which are

misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the AIDS test is an HIV antibody test, not

an HIV virus test. Most important of all, be positive with your patients.

HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, it's a theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I

wholeheartly support RIfe and thank him for his work.

DBrann1@... wrote:

I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a couple of

clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had experience using

a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have, time frame and

what machine(s) did they use?

You can respond to:

_Dbrann1@..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@...)

Thanks for any information

Darrell

[Guest guest]

I have read that there is no such thing as AIDS that when a picture is shown

this is a mock up, and have heard that a scientist in Europe is offering a

$100000 prize to anyone who can show him the AIDS virus, so far no takers, I

agree it is the treatment killing a lot of those with HIV, just like those

with cancer and have heard that supplements can hold HIV at bay for about

..38 cents a day

Terry

Re: hiv

Hi,

I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV causes AIDS.

I know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take

protese inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all

healthy. It is the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells) ,which have

made many people sick and were responsible for some peoples' deaths. I say

steer clear of those drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR. One of

them is sudden death. Also there are many other illness such as heptatis

and tuberculosis which are misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the AIDS

test is an HIV antibody test, not an HIV virus test. Most important of all,

be positive with your patients. HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, it's a

theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I wholeheartly support RIfe and thank

him for his work.

DBrann1@... wrote:

I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a couple of

clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had experience

using

a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have, time frame

and

what machine(s) did they use?

You can respond to:

_Dbrann1@..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@...)

Thanks for any information

Darrell

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

I was not aware of that scientist's offer. Please send me full details so

that I can contact him and show him the AIDS research made with the Ergonom

microscope. We certainly have pictures of the AIDS virus to show him.

By the way, Kurt Olbrich tells me that the AIDS and Cancer viruses are very

similar.

Regards

Moderator

Re: hiv

Hi,

I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV causes AIDS.

I know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take

protese inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all

healthy. It is the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells) ,which have

made many people sick and were responsible for some peoples' deaths. I say

steer clear of those drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR. One of

them is sudden death. Also there are many other illness such as heptatis

and tuberculosis which are misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the AIDS

test is an HIV antibody test, not an HIV virus test. Most important of all,

be positive with your patients. HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, it's a

theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I wholeheartly support RIfe and thank

him for his work.

DBrann1@... wrote:

I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a couple of

clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had experience

using

a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have, time frame

and

what machine(s) did they use?

You can respond to:

_Dbrann1@..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@...)

Thanks for any information

Darrell

[Guest guest]

Re: hiv

Hi,

I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV causes AIDS.

I know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take

protese inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all

healthy. It is the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells) ,which have

made many people sick and were responsible for some peoples' deaths. I say

steer clear of those drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR. One of

them is sudden death. Also there are many other illness such as heptatis

and tuberculosis which are misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the AIDS

test is an HIV antibody test, not an HIV virus test. Most important of all,

be positive with your patients. HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, it's a

theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I wholeheartly support RIfe and thank

him for his work.

===============

,

Welcome to the list. I appreciate not only the knowledge you bring, but also

the respectful way you approach the choices of others, even if you don't

agree with those choices. Speaking from personal experience as well as

observation, it can be difficult to support or " give space " to those who are

doing things that we think are self-destructive.

Someplace I have a copy of an AZT label. I remember it says distinctly that

it is a poison, and lists many " side " effects of taking the drug. I wonder

how many HIV+ people have seen this label?

Best,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

* products and services for wellness

[Guest guest]

- Perhapds I am confused, but I thought AIDS stood for Auto

Immune Deficiency Syndrome. If this is " true " there would be no

picture of an " AIDS " virus because AIDS is presumed to be a result

of contracting the HIV viurs. (I included a very nice picture of the

HIV virus in the photo section of the group).

The real question is whether or not AIDS can be a result of other

foreign bodies entering the body or IF the HIV virus reacts ONLY if

other foreign bodies are present. In either case, using Rife to

boost the immune system, along with other well know immune boosters

seems like a logical approach to me.

Speaking of immune boosters. Did you know that common, ordinary

prunes contain the higest ORAC reading next to clove, (which is off

the chart). (smiles)

> I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a

couple of

>

> clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had

experience

> using

> a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have,

time frame

> and

> what machine(s) did they use?

> You can respond to:

> _Dbrann1@a..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@a...)

> Thanks for any information

> Darrell

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Hi Terry,

> I was not aware of that scientist's offer. Please send me full details so

> that I can contact him and show him the AIDS research made with the Ergonom

> microscope. We certainly have pictures of the AIDS virus to show him.

<snip>

Hi :

Can you describe how those particles you show as the " AIDS virus " were

established as such? Were they purified and Koch's postulates

fulfilled? Was genetic analysis performed that confirms what has been

published? These are just a few questions that need to be answered

before you can be " certain " .

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I have also been wondering about the HIV virus controversy. There are hundreds

of submissions to GenBank from labs all over the world, of sequences of the HIV

viruses studied by those labs. While there seem to be many factors involved in

actual development if AIDS (nutrition being a primary one), according to this

the existence of virus does would seem to be proven.

I have heard of a person with extremely high HIV viral count (established by a

PCR blood test, that is - polymerase chain reaction), who used good nutrition

and a Rife plasma device to get the viral count down to almost nothing. This

accompanied by abatement of symptoms of illness.

Char

Hi Terry,

I was not aware of that scientist's offer. Please send me full details so

that I can contact him and show him the AIDS research made with the Ergonom

microscope. We certainly have pictures of the AIDS virus to show him.

By the way, Kurt Olbrich tells me that the AIDS and Cancer viruses are very

similar.

Regards

Moderator

-----Original Message-----

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Terry

McClelland

I have read that there is no such thing as AIDS that when a picture is shown

this is a mock up, and have heard that a scientist in Europe is offering a

$100000 prize to anyone who can show him the AIDS virus, so far no takers, I

agree it is the treatment killing a lot of those with HIV, just like those

with cancer and have heard that supplements can hold HIV at bay for about

.38 cents a day Terry

-----Original Message-----

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of denise

jameson

Hi,

I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV causes AIDS.

I know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take

protese inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all

healthy. It is the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells) ,which have

made many people sick and were responsible for some peoples' deaths. I say

steer clear of those drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR. One of

them is sudden death. Also there are many other illness such as heptatis

and tuberculosis which are misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the AIDS

test is an HIV antibody test, not an HIV virus test. Most important of all,

be positive with your patients. HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, it's a

theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I wholeheartly support RIfe and thank

him for his work.

DBrann1@... wrote:

I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a couple of

clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had experience

using

a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have, time frame

and

what machine(s) did they use?

You can respond to:

_Dbrann1@..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@...)

Thanks for any information

Darrell

[Guest guest]

CB wrote:

> I have also been wondering about the HIV virus controversy. There are

hundreds of submissions to GenBank from labs all over the world, of sequences of

the HIV viruses studied by those labs. While there seem to be many factors

involved in actual development if AIDS (nutrition being a primary one),

according to this the existence of virus does would seem to be proven.

>

Here's a link you might find interesting:

http://www.healtoronto.com/hiviso.html

Also, the existence of a virus does not prove causation.

> I have heard of a person with extremely high HIV viral count (established by a

PCR blood test, that is - polymerase chain reaction), who used good nutrition

and a Rife plasma device to get the viral count down to almost nothing. This

accompanied by abatement of symptoms of illness.

>

According to Kary Mullis, who invented PCR, it can't detect or diagnose

viral infection. The documentary at the following link explains the

whole mess sufficiently:

http://www.theothersideofaids.com/home.html

Regards,

[Guest guest]

AIDS... I've seen people die of this before there was treatment. It's a

terrible death. A lot of good people, many of whom were extremely

creative and contributed greatly to society, died in this manner. Recent

medications have helped hold the actual disease in check. Some early

medications seemed to push people over an edge from which they could not

return. Like cancer, AIDS treatment is often oriented towards some sort of

reduction or positive change in the evaluation process. Did the tumor

shrink, did the viral load go down, and so on. The problem is that

response to treatment is all too often not correlated with increased

survival time. Response to treatment is also not correlated with quality of

life during treatment.

AIDS has become politicized there are many dissenters in the scientific

community that have raised the same objections and observations seen in

recent postings. It is a tragedy that AIDS although a real disease, may be

mis-classified , and may be caused by an entirely different organism.

Research may be misdirected . If that is so, the end result is going to be

more wasted lives and wasted money to make those with a particular agenda

happy.

Jim Bare

>I have read that there is no such thing as AIDS that when a picture is shown

>this is a mock up, and have heard that a scientist in Europe is offering a

>$100000 prize to anyone who can show him the AIDS virus, so far no takers, I

>agree it is the treatment killing a lot of those with HIV, just like those

>with cancer and have heard that supplements can hold HIV at bay for about

>.38 cents a day

>Terry

[Guest guest]

My favorite quote from Kary Mullis regarding " indisputable " scientific

facts is at the following link to a clip (Quicktime format) from the

documentary I mentioned earlier:

http://www.theothersideofaids.com/not_rational.html

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Re: hiv

I have also been wondering about the HIV virus controversy. There are

hundreds of submissions to GenBank from labs all over the world, of

sequences of the HIV viruses studied by those labs. While there seem to be

many factors involved in actual development if AIDS (nutrition being a

primary one), according to this the existence of virus does would seem to be

proven.

I have heard of a person with extremely high HIV viral count (established by

a PCR blood test, that is - polymerase chain reaction), who used good

nutrition and a Rife plasma device to get the viral count down to almost

nothing. This accompanied by abatement of symptoms of illness.

Char

================

I have heard arguments on both sides: " AIDS really exists. " " No, AIDS is

made up! " Here are my thoughts on the matter.

AIDS stands for " Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. " A syndrome is a

constellation of various factors, a pattern. So AIDS is really a *set of

symptoms.* Thus, when it is pointed out that AIDS is not a discrete disease,

this is true. Some of the people who get sick suffer from all kinds of

conditions that are easily identifiable as other diseases, caused by known

microbes. And always, their immune system is really run down

On the other hand, I would not argue with someone who says that s/he has

seen a virus under a microscope. So how do we reconcile the two sides? I

think this would a beneficial thing to do, because really, the desire is the

same: to eradicate the ill health of the people who suffer from what we call

AIDS or HIV+, and to treat AIDS/HIV sufferers with holistic means that

really support the body instead of poison it. I think it would be more

productive if both sides worked together.

Among people who follow government shenanigans, it is widely acknowledged

that what we call the " AIDS virus " was synthesized in a laboratory and

introduced to certain populations via injection. The two Strecker (sp?)

brothers, both doctors (one of whom died mysteriously around 5 years ago),

wrote a paper almost 20 years ago showing the step-by-step process of how

AIDS came to be. They relied on public documents and articles in medical

journals, among them a " what if " essay published in Lancet that asked what

would happen if you took a virus from a sheep and a virus from something

else (I forget what) and melded them together and then let it loose on

certain populations. Cute, huh? Other activists, including attorney Boyd

Graves, have also traced the lineage of AIDS and shown a similarly grim

picture, implicating the US government along with other scientists *not*

working for the public good. At this point, it would be naive to think that

labs have NOT created genetically engineered microbes and introduced them at

various locations on the planet.

To me, the issue is: Since these critters have been synthesized and

manufacturered in a lab, isn't it possible that they don't always behave

like " normal " viruses and bacteria? If this is true, then perhaps they

cannot always be seen, tested, measured, and described in ways we are

familiar with. Add to this picture the fact that some people test HIV+ but

perfectly healthy, because their good diet, postive attitude, and lifestyle

have helped them overcome any systemic weakness that might make them open to

" opportunistic " infections.

Then there is the issue of chemicals that appear to trigger an AIDS

eruption. The late Byrne wrote a brilliant article on how the drugs

used by many men in the gay community stimulate an eruption. What if a

living substance were injected, and waited dormant until triggered by

something dangerous to the body? Mycoplasma bacteria have been known to lie

dormant for 5, even 10 years until something stimulated their proliferation

throughout the body.

What if there existed a biological material that could evolve, change, and

morph, depending on the medium in which it lived? Does this sound like

pleomorphism? You bet! Pleomorphism is nothing new. But I am applying this

to the elusive, " sometimes-you-see-it-and-sometimes-you-don't " AIDs virus.

Could it be that whatever this entity is, it has many forms? And that some

of these forms cannot be detected?

If I were someone who wanted to decrease and weaken the population, I could

not imagine a more effective technique than designing a genetically

engineered pathogen (of whatever form) that could be triggered by *many

diffrerent situations.* And what better way to divide the holitically-minded

folks and political activists than to get them to argue about whether

something exists or not?

It's obvious that people who test HIV+ have *something* going on in their

systems. What is less clear, is what this " something " is. I watched a friend

die of AIDS. I saw the sores over his body. This was very real. What is NOT

real, however, and what has been used by this and other governments for

their own opportunistic advantage, is the testing methods (which are

inconclusive); calling something " AIDS " when it is really something else;

and using these labels and spurious tests as political devices for control

(lock up the person, put them in quarantine, deny them insurance, etc. etc.

etc.).

This control issue is really what we should be worrying about, I think.

Bottom line, if someone's feeling sick, they are sick. A compassionate

response is to help them not feel sick, if that is what they want. And the

wise response is to keep an eye out on those who would control us.

Best,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

* products and services for wellness

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was not involved in that research which took place in 1986. What I do know

is that the research took place in Berlin, Germany by a large group of

scientists. Kurt Olbrich had been invited to provide his microscope as part

of that research. There were a lot of discussions about the results as the

AIDS virus looks very different under the Ergonom (in its living state) to

that under an SEM. According to Kurt, the process of preparing the virus for

SEM causes it to close up like a fist which is then collapsed by the vacuum

making the virus appear much smaller than it is in real life.

Depending on the age of the virus, it varies in size.

AIDS Viruses seen under the Ergonom 400:

http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/Medical2c.html

In this picture, you will see blue dots which are the young AIDS viruses

which grow into the red coloured " cells " when they are fully grown. This was

all carefully documented at the time by that research group. I have tried to

get more information on that research, but I have not got very far. Kurt was

providing a service for which he was paid, the research is not his own, but

belongs to the group who carried it out. I have not had the time or

resourses to investigate this further especially as AIDS research is not what I

am

involved in.

From what I understand, the group involved were financed by a pharmaceutical

company and the research may not have been published publically.

There was certainly no doubt that these images are of the AIDS virus.

By the way, I have been corrected before in that the correct term to use is

HIV and not AIDS. I am not an expert on this so please read HIV or AIDS

as is the correct term.

I hope this helps.

Regards

Re: hiv

wrote:

> Hi Terry,

> I was not aware of that scientist's offer. Please send me full details

> so that I can contact him and show him the AIDS research made with the

> Ergonom microscope. We certainly have pictures of the AIDS virus to

> show him.

<snip>

Hi :

Can you describe how those particles you show as the " AIDS virus " were

established as such? Were they purified and Koch's postulates

fulfilled? Was genetic analysis performed that confirms what has been

published? These are just a few questions that need to be answered

before you can be " certain " .

Regards,

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Hi ,

> I was not involved in that research which took place in 1986. What I do know

> is that the research took place in Berlin, Germany by a large group of

> scientists. Kurt Olbrich had been invited to provide his microscope as part

> of that research. There were a lot of discussions about the results as the

> AIDS virus looks very different under the Ergonom (in its living state) to

> that under an SEM. According to Kurt, the process of preparing the virus for

> SEM causes it to close up like a fist which is then collapsed by the vacuum

> making the virus appear much smaller than it is in real life.

> Depending on the age of the virus, it varies in size.

>

> AIDS Viruses seen under the Ergonom 400:

> http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/Medical2c.html

>

> In this picture, you will see blue dots which are the young AIDS viruses

> which grow into the red coloured " cells " when they are fully grown. This was

> all carefully documented at the time by that research group. I have tried to

> get more information on that research, but I have not got very far. Kurt was

> providing a service for which he was paid, the research is not his own, but

> belongs to the group who carried it out. I have not had the time or

> resourses to investigate this further especially as AIDS research is not what

I am

> involved in.

>

>>From what I understand, the group involved were financed by a pharmaceutical

> company and the research may not have been published publically.

>

> There was certainly no doubt that these images are of the AIDS virus.

>

> By the way, I have been corrected before in that the correct term to use is

> HIV and not AIDS. I am not an expert on this so please read HIV or AIDS

> as is the correct term.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Regards

>

>

I understand what the claims are regarding the photos with the Ergonom,

but what I would like to see is some evidence. Referring to some

unnamed research group is worthless. How are you to claim the prize

mentioned, by showing some Ergonom photos and referring to this nameless

research group? There seems to be a pattern here, where there are

claims made and attributed to Olbrich, but no real evidence provided.

This is very frustrating. I have hoped that the Ergonom and Olbrich's

work would be the answer to the revival of Rife's work, but it doesn't

inspire much confidence when all we get is unsubstantiated claims.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Is this chart on line?

Harvey

cytotech82 wrote:

>

>

> Speaking of immune boosters. Did you know that common, ordinary

> prunes contain the higest ORAC reading next to clove, (which is off

> the chart). (smiles)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Late last night on PBS there was a special about Africa, part of which

dealt with AIDS. They showed a rural African clinic where AIDS patients

were being interviewed who were being given a drink containing garlic,

lemon juice and something else(?). Natural, no drugs, inexpensive. They

showed the garlic being ground for the drink. A man being treated spoke

about how he was too weak to walk when first brought to the clinic, but

now is much better. He said that this treatment had saved his life.

Others at the clinic also said that this treatment had saved their

lives. Garlic and lemon for AIDS treatment? It surprised me that this

could be so useful in fighting a deadly virus.

Warren Rekow

> I have also been wondering about the HIV virus controversy. There are

> hundreds of submissions to GenBank from labs all over the world, of

> sequences of the HIV viruses studied by those labs. While there seem

> to be many factors involved in actual development if AIDS (nutrition

> being a primary one), according to this the existence of virus does

> would seem to be proven.

>

> I have heard of a person with extremely high HIV viral count

> (established by a PCR blood test, that is - polymerase chain

> reaction), who used good nutrition and a Rife plasma device to get the

> viral count down to almost nothing. This accompanied by abatement of

> symptoms of illness.

>

> Char

> Hi Terry,

> I was not aware of that scientist's offer. Please send me full

> details so

> that I can contact him and show him the AIDS research made with the

> Ergonom

> microscope. We certainly have pictures of the AIDS virus to show him.

>

> By the way, Kurt Olbrich tells me that the AIDS and Cancer viruses

> are very

> similar.

>

> Regards

>

>

> Moderator

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf

> Of Terry

> McClelland

>

> I have read that there is no such thing as AIDS that when a picture

> is shown

> this is a mock up, and have heard that a scientist in Europe is

> offering a

> $100000 prize to anyone who can show him the AIDS virus, so far no

> takers, I

> agree it is the treatment killing a lot of those with HIV, just like

> those

> with cancer and have heard that supplements can hold HIV at bay for

> about

> .38 cents a day Terry

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf

> Of denise

> jameson

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm a 13 yr AIDS dissident. It has never been proven that HIV

> causes AIDS.

> I know many people who are HIV or AIDS positive and either don't take

> protese inhibitors or AZT or stopped taking them long ago. Their all

> healthy. It is the AIDS drugs, which are cytoxic (kill cells)

> ,which have

> made many people sick and were responsible for some peoples' deaths.

> I say

> steer clear of those drugs. Look up all the side effect the PDR.

> One of

> them is sudden death. Also there are many other illness such as

> heptatis

> and tuberculosis which are misdiagnosed as HIV or AIDS. Remember the

> AIDS

> test is an HIV antibody test, not an HIV virus test. Most important

> of all,

> be positive with your patients. HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence,

> it's a

> theory. Outside of HIV/AIDS theory, I wholeheartly support RIfe and

> thank

> him for his work.

>

>

>

> DBrann1@... wrote:

> I am new to the group and am a health care practitioner; I have a

> couple of

>

> clients who are HIV+ and would like to know if anyone has had

> experience

> using

> a Rife device with HIV; and if so what results did they have, time

> frame

> and

> what machine(s) did they use?

> You can respond to:

> _Dbrann1@..._ (mailto:Dbrann1@...)

> Thanks for any information

> Darrell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I thought you would respond in this manner. It is often difficult for me to

get such information out of Kurt as he keeps work done for his customers

confidential which he regards as a matter of honour. However for $100000, he

could be persuaded to contact the original researchers to obtain permission

to release the work in order to claim the prize, I hope.

It is always a fine line between wanting to release real data and

maintaining customer confidentiality. At the end of the day, it is the

customer who paid for the work and therefore has the right to decide what

can be released. The film and pictures we released have been permitted, I

have not seen any more data on this. If I had it, I would gladly make it

available.

I do have detailed information on similar research on legionnaires disease

which I am allowed to release (it is however all in German). It was Kurt

Olbrich's work which determined the correct medication and dosage

instructions needed to cure this disease. Before his work, the patients were

dying in large numbers. When he presented his work, he had great

difficulties convincing the medical community to change their treatment

methods. In the end a hospital in Switzerland followed Kurt's instructions

to the letter and no more patients died in that hospital.

I am in a bit of a dilema myself. I have access to a lot of very interesting

information and data which I am sure would be helpful. However, I am already

overstretched both financially and timewise running the Rife group,

restoring the Rifeforum, researching new Rife related articles, working for

Grayfield Optical to help market that microscope and various other things I

have to do to pay my bills. Translating and releasing Kurt's research work

is currently on the " nice to do when I have more time and money " list, I

cannot devote more time and resources than I am already doing, at least not

without additional help.

As you see, I am just as frustrated about this as you are.

Regards

Re: hiv

I understand what the claims are regarding the photos with the Ergonom,

but what I would like to see is some evidence. Referring to some

unnamed research group is worthless. How are you to claim the prize

mentioned, by showing some Ergonom photos and referring to this nameless

research group? There seems to be a pattern here, where there are

claims made and attributed to Olbrich, but no real evidence provided.

This is very frustrating. I have hoped that the Ergonom and Olbrich's

work would be the answer to the revival of Rife's work, but it doesn't

inspire much confidence when all we get is unsubstantiated claims.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I understand and appreciate your position, and didn't intend my comments

as an offense. I don't expect anyone to divulge confidential

information, which as you say would be dishonorable. Wasn't any of the

research in question published somewhere? I just think that with issues

as important as this, and more especially the matter of cancer virus, it

would be better to not make any claims that can't be backed up, for

whatever reason. Making claims such as " Olbrich has seen the cancer

virus and did frequency research with it, but I can't give you any

details " , is like dangling a piece of food above a dog, just out of

reach. It's kind of cruel to those of us who are hungry for this

information.

Regards,

wrote:

> ,

> I thought you would respond in this manner. It is often difficult for me to

> get such information out of Kurt as he keeps work done for his customers

> confidential which he regards as a matter of honour. However for $100000, he

> could be persuaded to contact the original researchers to obtain permission

> to release the work in order to claim the prize, I hope.

>

> It is always a fine line between wanting to release real data and

> maintaining customer confidentiality. At the end of the day, it is the

> customer who paid for the work and therefore has the right to decide what

> can be released. The film and pictures we released have been permitted, I

> have not seen any more data on this. If I had it, I would gladly make it

> available.

>

> I do have detailed information on similar research on legionnaires disease

> which I am allowed to release (it is however all in German). It was Kurt

> Olbrich's work which determined the correct medication and dosage

> instructions needed to cure this disease. Before his work, the patients were

> dying in large numbers. When he presented his work, he had great

> difficulties convincing the medical community to change their treatment

> methods. In the end a hospital in Switzerland followed Kurt's instructions

> to the letter and no more patients died in that hospital.

>

> I am in a bit of a dilema myself. I have access to a lot of very interesting

> information and data which I am sure would be helpful. However, I am already

> overstretched both financially and timewise running the Rife group,

> restoring the Rifeforum, researching new Rife related articles, working for

> Grayfield Optical to help market that microscope and various other things I

> have to do to pay my bills. Translating and releasing Kurt's research work

> is currently on the " nice to do when I have more time and money " list, I

> cannot devote more time and resources than I am already doing, at least not

> without additional help.

>

> As you see, I am just as frustrated about this as you are.

>

> Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi (once again),

You said: " Making claims such as " Olbrich has seen the cancer

virus and did frequency research with it, but I can't give you any

details " , is like dangling a piece of food above a dog, just out of

reach. It's kind of cruel to those of us who are hungry for this

information. "

We were talking here about HIV, not cancer. Whereas the information I have

on HIV is very limited, I do have a lot more information on Kurt's research

into cancer and do intend to release it as time and resources permit. Kurt

has been successful in observing the cancer virus and has told me exactly

how cancer works (and how his research showed how to stop it).

Unfortunately, the research he was involved in to fight cancer was stopped

after he received very specific threats from a certain lobby!

That information will be forthcoming to this forum as I am able to translate

and write it up. Am I the only person here who can translate from German

into English? Perhaps someone here can help speed things up!

Regards

Re: hiv

I understand and appreciate your position, and didn't intend my comments

as an offense. I don't expect anyone to divulge confidential

information, which as you say would be dishonorable. Wasn't any of the

research in question published somewhere? I just think that with issues

as important as this, and more especially the matter of cancer virus, it

would be better to not make any claims that can't be backed up, for

whatever reason. Making claims such as " Olbrich has seen the cancer

virus and did frequency research with it, but I can't give you any

details " , is like dangling a piece of food above a dog, just out of

reach. It's kind of cruel to those of us who are hungry for this

information.

Regards,

wrote:

> ,

> I thought you would respond in this manner. It is often difficult for

> me to get such information out of Kurt as he keeps work done for his

> customers confidential which he regards as a matter of honour. However

> for $100000, he could be persuaded to contact the original researchers

> to obtain permission to release the work in order to claim the prize,

> I hope.

>

> It is always a fine line between wanting to release real data and

> maintaining customer confidentiality. At the end of the day, it is the

> customer who paid for the work and therefore has the right to decide

> what can be released. The film and pictures we released have been

> permitted, I have not seen any more data on this. If I had it, I would

> gladly make it available.

>

> I do have detailed information on similar research on legionnaires

> disease which I am allowed to release (it is however all in German).

> It was Kurt Olbrich's work which determined the correct medication and

> dosage instructions needed to cure this disease. Before his work, the

> patients were dying in large numbers. When he presented his work, he

> had great difficulties convincing the medical community to change

> their treatment methods. In the end a hospital in Switzerland followed

> Kurt's instructions to the letter and no more patients died in that

> hospital.

>

> I am in a bit of a dilema myself. I have access to a lot of very

> interesting information and data which I am sure would be helpful.

> However, I am already overstretched both financially and timewise

> running the Rife group, restoring the Rifeforum, researching new Rife

> related articles, working for Grayfield Optical to help market that

> microscope and various other things I have to do to pay my bills.

> Translating and releasing Kurt's research work is currently on the

> " nice to do when I have more time and money " list, I cannot devote

> more time and resources than I am already doing, at least not without

> additional help.

>

> As you see, I am just as frustrated about this as you are.

>

> Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

There are two great AIDS dissident books-- " What If Everything You Knew About

AIDS Was Wrong " by Maggiore and " Inventing the AIDS Virus " by

Duesberg.

Warren Rekow wrote:

Late last night on PBS there was a special about Africa, part of which

dealt with AIDS. They showed a rural African clinic where AIDS patients

were being interviewed who were being given a drink containing garlic,

lemon juice and something else(?). Natural, no drugs, inexpensive. They

showed the garlic being ground for the drink. A man being treated spoke

about how he was too weak to walk when first brought to the clinic, but

now is much better. He said that this treatment had saved his life.

Others at the clinic also said that this treatment had saved their

lives. Garlic and lemon for AIDS treatment? It surprised me that this

could be so useful in fighting a deadly virus.

Warren Rekow

[Guest guest]

Hi,

There is more information about Africa and AIDS at dissident-action. It's a MSN

group.

Warren Rekow wrote:

Late last night on PBS there was a special about Africa, part of which

dealt with AIDS. They showed a rural African clinic where AIDS patients

were being interviewed who were being given a drink containing garlic,

lemon juice and something else(?). Natural, no drugs, inexpensive. They

showed the garlic being ground for the drink. A man being treated spoke

about how he was too weak to walk when first brought to the clinic, but

now is much better. He said that this treatment had saved his life.

Others at the clinic also said that this treatment had saved their

lives. Garlic and lemon for AIDS treatment? It surprised me that this

could be so useful in fighting a deadly virus.

Warren Rekow

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I think it's great we're a diverse bunch on this yahoo group and I think

diversity makes the world go around. Many of the people originally diagnosed

with HIV/AIDS (before AZT) were using poppers or amyl nitrates. Poppers are

extremely immunosuppressive and a known carcinagen. AZT is a formerly banned

cancer drug. It has a skull and crossbones on the label. It was shown to cause

cancer in laboratory tests. It stops RNA duplication--an essential life

process. Protease inhibitors are longterm chemotherapy drugs. Their side

effects include pancreatitis, diabetes, facial wasting, and sudden death.

Please note, these are side effects of the drugs, not symptoms of HIV or AIDS.

Look up the side effects in the Physican's Desk Reference.

Bare wrote:

AIDS... I've seen people die of this before there was treatment. It's a

terrible death. A lot of good people, many of whom were extremely

creative and contributed greatly to society, died in this manner. Recent

medications have helped hold the actual disease in check. Some early

medications seemed to push people over an edge from which they could not

return. Like cancer, AIDS treatment is often oriented towards some sort of

reduction or positive change in the evaluation process. Did the tumor

shrink, did the viral load go down, and so on. The problem is that

response to treatment is all too often not correlated with increased

survival time. Response to treatment is also not correlated with quality of

life during treatment.

AIDS has become politicized there are many dissenters in the scientific

community that have raised the same objections and observations seen in

recent postings. It is a tragedy that AIDS although a real disease, may be

mis-classified , and may be caused by an entirely different organism.

Research may be misdirected . If that is so, the end result is going to be

more wasted lives and wasted money to make those with a particular agenda

happy.

Jim Bare

>I have read that there is no such thing as AIDS that when a picture is shown

>this is a mock up, and have heard that a scientist in Europe is offering a

>$100000 prize to anyone who can show him the AIDS virus, so far no takers, I

>agree it is the treatment killing a lot of those with HIV, just like those

>with cancer and have heard that supplements can hold HIV at bay for about

>.38 cents a day

>Terry

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Professor Duesberg says that HIV is a harmless passenger virus.

www.duesberg.com

Ringas wrote:

CB wrote:

> I have also been wondering about the HIV virus controversy. There are

hundreds of submissions to GenBank from labs all over the world, of sequences of

the HIV viruses studied by those labs. While there seem to be many factors

involved in actual development if AIDS (nutrition being a primary one),

according to this the existence of virus does would seem to be proven.

>

Here's a link you might find interesting:

http://www.healtoronto.com/hiviso.html

Also, the existence of a virus does not prove causation.

> I have heard of a person with extremely high HIV viral count (established by a

PCR blood test, that is - polymerase chain reaction), who used good nutrition

and a Rife plasma device to get the viral count down to almost nothing. This

accompanied by abatement of symptoms of illness.

>

According to Kary Mullis, who invented PCR, it can't detect or diagnose

viral infection. The documentary at the following link explains the

whole mess sufficiently:

http://www.theothersideofaids.com/home.html

Regards,

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Hi (once again),

>

> You said: " Making claims such as " Olbrich has seen the cancer

> virus and did frequency research with it, but I can't give you any

> details " , is like dangling a piece of food above a dog, just out of

> reach. It's kind of cruel to those of us who are hungry for this

> information. "

>

> We were talking here about HIV, not cancer. Whereas the information I have

> on HIV is very limited, I do have a lot more information on Kurt's research

> into cancer and do intend to release it as time and resources permit. Kurt

> has been successful in observing the cancer virus and has told me exactly

> how cancer works (and how his research showed how to stop it).

> Unfortunately, the research he was involved in to fight cancer was stopped

> after he received very specific threats from a certain lobby!

>

> That information will be forthcoming to this forum as I am able to translate

> and write it up. Am I the only person here who can translate from German

> into English? Perhaps someone here can help speed things up!

>

> Regards

>

>

I stand corrected. I was under the impression that his cancer work was

also under confidentiality agreements.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

,

I am willing to undertake some translation tasks for you/the list.

Contact me at; minor.1@...

Gordon

> > That information will be forthcoming to this forum as I am able to

translate

and write it up. Am I the only person here who can translate from German

> into English? Perhaps someone here can help speed things up!

>

> Regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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