Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 In Idaho and I'm sure most states, it's just the milk parlor that requires the cement flooring. If they required it all over the place, we wouldn't have mega dairies that make the cattle lay in knee deep crap all day. K.C. Re: raw milk licensing I am confused here. Do you have to have concrete in the milk parlour or the whole barn? In Manitoba we have to have concrete in the milk handling and milk parlour area but after that the licensing regs aren;t involved. As long as you can keep the animals clean they don't care. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Depends on if you want to work under the radar or build a grade A dairy for mega thousands of dollars which a lot of people don't have. K.C. raw milk licensing I have an inspector coming to my farm this morning because I am thinking to get set up to sell raw milk here in N.Y. One of the regs is that you have to have a concrete floor for the cows milking room. Anyone have any suggestions about how to get around that? I hate concrete floors and do not want to milk my cows (probably only 3-5 cows at most) on concrete? Is this a reg in other states too? Thanks, Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I put bedding, as someone else suggested, down to cover the dirt, and absorb any wet stuff, and cushion www.MajestyFarm.com " Few Men desire Liberty; most Men only wish for a just master. " Sallust From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Tinybabe Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:22 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: raw milk licensing I'm convinced not to get a big concrete floor done. But, dirt gets dusty and dust can fly in to milk and get into the works of stuff and gum them up. So where is the happy middle ground? K.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: lotzakdz To: RawDairy Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: RE: raw milk licensing OK here goes: #1 Once you get into pressure washing and into water volume you need drains, a drain field, septic system to handle the water. #2 Once you get drains you have a wonderful place for bacterial growth in damp drains, unless you use a antibacterial rinse, which then gets into the water and into the soil. #3 Concrete CREATES a climate for more mess, so there is MORE cleanup required. #4 The infrastructure required, which starts w/ concrete and goes down the line, drains, etc to washing equipment costs money, and doesn’t stop costing with just the purchase. So essentially, you have a worse system for a micro dairy that costs more and takes more time. Of course, that’s par for the course with Govt regs…. www.MajestyFarm.com " Few Men desire Liberty; most Men only wish for a just master. " Sallust From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Tinybabe Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:34 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: raw milk licensing How hard is to clean with a pressure hose? I would think, if one has to have concrete, the milking parlor will have hoses to clean things down with, right? Seems like a breeze to me. But then, I don't have any of that, so I don't know for sure. Just surmising. K.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: lotzakdz To: RawDairy Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: RE: raw milk licensing Mats are even worse to clean than concrete, though better for feet www.MajestyFarm.com " Few Men desire Liberty; most Men only wish for a just master. " Sallust From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Tinybabe Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:39 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: raw milk licensing Can you use those approved matts for them to walk on over the floor? K.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: rose marie belforti To: RawDairy Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: raw milk licensing , I did ask him that, he said as long as it has a metal floor. I am trying to stay away from concrete, but the only legal alternative is metal, which is not good for cows, they slip and fall! Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I am trying to get set up to process cheese and sell raw milk. Want to do it legally!! It's a challenge to me as well as something I really want to do! I am in a huge dairy area, and I really want to be the complete opposite type thing. Anyway, we'll see how far I can go with it. I have little money to put into retrofitting a building to their codes, but I am going to try. Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I just asked that question by phone to the inspector, that is, about the concrete on the entire floor. He said it has to be all concrete in the barn area, enough so that the cows can turn around and get out of the way of the others. They don't want any dirt in there! I talked to him about the rediculousness of concrete, but he just replied, "I'm just the agent, I don't make the laws." Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 If you can't get around the concrete flooring, maybe look into rubber matting to go on the floor? I agree-concrete is hard on the animals, hard on the milkers, and expensive to boot! And how often is one scraping milk off the floor and into the bucket anyways?? Ridiculous! But such is the extent of "intelligence" of our bureaucrats! I prefer hard packed earth, myself. raw milk licensing I have an inspector coming to my farm this morning because I am thinking to get set up to sell raw milk here in N.Y. One of the regs is that you have to have a concrete floor for the cows milking room. Anyone have any suggestions about how to get around that? I hate concrete floors and do not want to milk my cows (probably only 3-5 cows at most) on concrete? Is this a reg in other states too? Thanks, Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Our entire barn floor is compacted 4-11 gravel. We had to put down about a foot of it (barn is built on a slope) and then went over it with a machine that looks like a push lawn mower that stomped the floor down and wet it with water at the same time. It get's really hard, but doesn't seem to bother my cow's feet. Weldon A Bit of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > I'm convinced not to get a big concrete floor done. But, dirt gets dusty and dust can fly in to milk and get into the works of stuff and gum them up. So where is the happy middle ground? > > K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 OK, so now that I am fully into thinking about this raw milk licensing process, and cheesemaking, I must get the entire scoop on cowharing. I really do not know that much about it? Does it work the same way in every state, or does it depend on the rules of each state? Does the person buying into the cow share actually OWN a piece of my precious cows?? Because I do not want to sell portions of my cows!!! If anyone has the time to explain in detail, or direct me to an article that I can get a full indepth understanding of cowsharing, I would be most grateful!! Thanks so much!! Who out there has a 3-5 cow dairy business?? Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 See my website, www.tennesseansforrawmilk.com for an explanation of cow-shares. D. > OK, so now that I am fully into thinking about this raw milk licensing process, and cheesemaking, I must get the entire scoop on cowharing. I really do not know that much about it? > Does it work the same way in every state, or does it depend on the rules of each state? Does the person buying into the cow share actually OWN a piece of my precious cows?? Because I do not want to sell portions of my cows!!! > If anyone has the time to explain in detail, or direct me to an article that I can get a full indepth understanding of cowsharing, I would be most grateful!! > Thanks so much!! > Who out there has a 3-5 cow dairy business?? > Rose Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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