Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Yes, that is one way of avoiding the damage vaccines do. Barbara > One way to make a decision re: vaccines is to look at familial history. We have ADHD, aspergers, and autism (all related conditions) in our extended family. Our family should not vaccinate any more. We know we are at a higher risk for trouble. My brother has yet to start a family, when he does you bet we will all reccomend not to vaccinate, I hope he marries an open minded woman. > Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I'm sorry, I sent my reply before reading your reminder. Barbara > Hi all, > Just wanted to remind you about the message from the Home Page of Raw Dairy. Allow me > to quote: > > " ...If the political post has to do with raw dairy directly, it is fine, otherwise please refrain > from posting it as there are plenty of other forums for these kind of discussions. In addition, > a few off-topic posts are fine as long as they are not inflammatory or divisive in nature, and > as long as they are kept to a minimum.... " > > Thanks, > D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 --- Barbara wrote: > In a nutshell, they knowingly chose to harm people > just to make more money. > > Barbara, I disagree, companies just do what companies are required to do by their CEOs and Stockholders: Make money. I recently had a very sick cow. Since I do not routinely use any medication of any kind I did not have any penecillin on hand. After trying every possible natureaptithic remedy listed here and some others, I decided to try LA 200. It was available in a 50cc, 100 cc,or 500cc bottle. The 50cc bottle was $21, the 100cc was $26 and the 500cc $48. I bought the 100 and used most of it. She died anyway. A lot of the cost of these things is the packaging. Bill Dunlap __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 In an effort to apease some people here and bring dairy back into this conversation I have a burning question. Do the same things apply to animal vaccines? We do use very little in the way of vaccines here but I would like to know. We have a bad clostridial disease, called blackleg, on our farm and if we don't vaccine we loose animals so we have been only doing that one. Anyone know? Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Well, I do understand that companies have to make money, but for goodness sake, making money by harming children? The big pharma could just as well make money and do no harm. It is just that they want to make MOST money. I would like to ask that CEO if he would vaccinate his child or grandchild knowing that there is a risk of ending up autistic. And listen to this: now that it is known that vaccines are harmful those batches with thimerosol are being sent to the poor countries in Africa. Autism is now showing up in Africa at alarming rate. Big pharma is just not going to lose money, no.... If this is not criminal, I don't know what is! Barbara > > Barbara, > I disagree, companies just do what companies are > required to do by their CEOs and Stockholders: Make > money. I recently had a very sick cow. Since I do not > routinely use any medication of any kind I did not > have any penecillin on hand. After trying every > possible natureaptithic remedy listed here and some > others, I decided to try LA 200. It was available in a > 50cc, 100 cc,or 500cc bottle. The 50cc bottle was $21, > the 100cc was $26 and the 500cc $48. I bought the 100 > and used most of it. She died anyway. A lot of the > cost of these things is the packaging. > Bill Dunlap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 What I find most interesting is when the government came out and proclaimed children should NOT eat food items such as tuna due to the mercury content, yet it approves this in vaccines. Guess the tuna industry hasn't paid enough to the FDA to be approved for children like the drug companies have. K.C. Re: Re: vaccines Yes, you are right that there are two issues here. Many more people wouldbe willing to get the vaccines if they knew there is no mercury in them.Unfortunately there is no way to tell up front which person will be affectedbadly.As for our adequate immune system, we could have it, if we were not fed theartificial, factory made food.BarbaraIt's unfortunate that the vaccination issue is really two issuesthat should be debated separately, Mercury and the ethics/healthissues of immunization. Why indeed can't vaccines be made without adose of a poisonous substance?As for choosing a little poison or disease, this will have differentconsequences in every case due to the biochemical individuality ofpeople. For myself, even the tiniest bit of mercury is too much- Iam fighting a lifelong battle with mercury poisoning. Some peoplecan carry a dose of mercury that would cripple me, and stillfunction normally. However everyone has a point at which their bodyburden of xenobiotics will result in disease. Mercury simplydoesn't belong in the human body.It would be nice to think that we could all have an immune systemthat would adequately fight off disease, but many of us don't and insome cases maybe vaccinations (without poisons or hidden viruses)are indicated. There is no one answer that I can see, but it seemswe all can agree that neurotoxins don't belong in vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 You are right K.C. Our government is sitting in big pharma's pockets. Our government are puppets on the pharma strings. Barbara What I find most interesting is when the government came out and proclaimed children should NOT eat food items such as tuna due to the mercury content, yet it approves this in vaccines. Guess the tuna industry hasn't paid enough to the FDA to be approved for children like the drug companies have. K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 You could probably look it up on the NET. I used to vaccinate for black leg (8 or 9 way vaccine), but haven't for about 4 years. My vet said as long as the cattle aren't being dragged out and shown all over, there's no need for yearly vaccines. Mine are fine. In order to clean up the disease, I don't see that you have a choice in the matter regardless of what might be in the vaccine. K.C. Re: Re: vaccines In an effort to apease some people here and bring dairy back into this conversation I have a burning question. Do the same things apply to animal vaccines? We do use very little in the way of vaccines here but I would like to know. We have a bad clostridial disease, called blackleg, on our farm and if we don't vaccine we loose animals so we have been only doing that one. Anyone know? Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Barbara, I know you have been around long enough to know that the big drug companies could care less about the kids and only about how much crap they have in stock and have to get rid of. Besides, if they cause harm, then no doubt the kids will need more drugs. If the kids stay healthy, they won't need doctors and they won't need drugs. Think about it. Autism used to be extremely rare. The drug companies had nothing to treat it, but needed money from the government to make it and run their clinical trials and tests. Now there is a big need for drugs to cure the diseases they have caused. This brings in millions from the government and imagine how much they make on new drugs each year trying to treat what they have created. I don't really think all these states care whether or not we sell or consume raw dairy. The problem is the drug companies can't make money off healthy people and the mega dairies would lose money if everyone started drinking raw milk. The insurance companies and the drug companies have THE largest lobbies in Washington D.C. When you think about that and how much money goes to these two entities, you know why people in this country are not healthy and can't afford to pay for their medical necessities. K.C. Re: Re: vaccines Well, I do understand that companies have to make money, but for goodnesssake, making money by harming children? The big pharma could just as wellmake money and do no harm. It is just that they want to make MOST money. Iwould like to ask that CEO if he would vaccinate his child or grandchildknowing that there is a risk of ending up autistic.And listen to this: now that it is known that vaccines are harmful thosebatches with thimerosol are being sent to the poor countries in Africa.Autism is now showing up in Africa at alarming rate. Big pharma is just notgoing to lose money, no....If this is not criminal, I don't know what is!Barbara> > Barbara,> I disagree, companies just do what companies are> required to do by their CEOs and Stockholders: Make> money. I recently had a very sick cow. Since I do not> routinely use any medication of any kind I did not> have any penecillin on hand. After trying every> possible natureaptithic remedy listed here and some> others, I decided to try LA 200. It was available in a> 50cc, 100 cc,or 500cc bottle. The 50cc bottle was $21,> the 100cc was $26 and the 500cc $48. I bought the 100> and used most of it. She died anyway. A lot of the> cost of these things is the packaging.> Bill Dunlap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I should have read this before my last post. I'm playing catch up today. Been cleaning the cow's area with the lawn tractor that has a scoop on the front (basically for snow removal) and I think the heat got to me. WHEW! K.C. Re: Re: vaccines You are right K.C. Our government is sitting in big pharma's pockets. Our government are puppets on the pharma strings. Barbara What I find most interesting is when the government came out and proclaimed children should NOT eat food items such as tuna due to the mercury content, yet it approves this in vaccines. Guess the tuna industry hasn't paid enough to the FDA to be approved for children like the drug companies have. K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 K.C. I know all of this and more. I just did not want to sound so cynical. I have no faith and no respect for government, our judicial system and/or medical establishment. What you are saying about keeping people sick to make money off of them is also very true about dog food companies and veterinarians. The kibble and vaccines are making pets sick, but there is money to be made of sick pets. That's why I feed my dogs and cats raw diet which is the only species appropriate diet. I also do not vaccinate them. Barbara Barbara, I know you have been around long enough to know that the big drug companies could care less about the kids and only about how much crap they have in stock and have to get rid of. Besides, if they cause harm, then no doubt the kids will need more drugs. If the kids stay healthy, they won't need doctors and they won't need drugs. Think about it. Autism used to be extremely rare. The drug companies had nothing to treat it, but needed money from the government to make it and run their clinical trials and tests. Now there is a big need for drugs to cure the diseases they have caused. This brings in millions from the government and imagine how much they make on new drugs each year trying to treat what they have created. I don't really think all these states care whether or not we sell or consume raw dairy. The problem is the drug companies can't make money off healthy people and the mega dairies would lose money if everyone started drinking raw milk. The insurance companies and the drug companies have THE largest lobbies in Washington D.C. When you think about that and how much money goes to these two entities, you know why people in this country are not healthy and can't afford to pay for their medical necessities. K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I'm sorry to bring back this subject.. please forgive me but I made a mistake in a previous post and don't want my " misinformation " to be left uncorrected.. it was whooping cough that I did the " informal survey " of and not chicken pox. When my family had the pox it was extremely mild and no one even felt sick.. perhaps due in part to a healthy diet? Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 LOL....hope you are all cooled down by now... LOL Barbara I should have read this before my last post. I'm playing catch up today. Been cleaning the cow's area with the lawn tractor that has a scoop on the front (basically for snow removal) and I think the heat got to me. WHEW! K.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Thanks all for your support.. He is getting better and I don’t feel him a victim..since we woke up and won’t be doing any more vaccing.. it is too bad that the vac maker put so much unneeded garbage in the vaccines like formaldehyde, fetal cells from aborted babies, animal dna, heavy metals, and othe nasty stuff.. the whole idea of vaccines is a good one.. too bad it doesn’t work like it should.. but I wish it never happened all will be well with me Tara From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Fitzhenry Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:45 AM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: vaccines That's so sad. I read in the book The Maker's Diet by Dr. Jordan Rubin that cod liver oil is great to treat autism. The book doesn't specifically address autism much, but for overall health, which I'm sure would really help your son I really recommend it. & Debbie Chikousky wrote: I think you would be interested in this information. Sure glad our came on the scene after all these new vaccines and we don't get the flu shot ever. & Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada gdchik@... http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ My boy was developing normally until about 18 mos .. when he went in for some shots.. he had an adverse reaction and now he 5.5 years old and labeled autistic.. I prefer to call him vaccine damaged.. as that what he is.. be careful and educate yourself before getting your kids the jabs.. he cannot talk, play or interact with others.. it is sad.. and did not have to be.. I am getting him better, but it is a 24/7 job and is costing me over $30,000 a year in expenses with therapy, etc. (insurance does not reimburse this!!! Yikes.. and we are not wealthy) You DON”T need the shots to go to school.. you can get an exemption.. it is not hard to do.. just takes a little effort.. Easier than dealing with getting your autistic kid better.. if you are concerned about immunity.. try homeopathy.. they have homeopathic ‘vaccines’ called nosodes, which are better at giving immunity than the vaccines. You can do some research and find a good homeopathy in your area.. or join a homeopathy chat group to get help doing it yourself if you live out in the middle of nowhere..(my preferred destination!) Info on vaccines and exemptions. http://thinktwice.com/ http://www.vaclib.org/ -- help with exemption letters, etc… Trust your heart and your gut.. and don’t let the dr’s intimidate you.. you are the one who takes care of the child, not them. Tara __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 My family also does not vaccinate and all but the youngest(he wasn't born yet)of us 12 children got the chicken pox many years ago. We caught it from our friends who all had it, and ALL of them had been vaccinated against it. They all got it worse than we did. None of us got it worse than a bad case of the itchies. I was 16 at the time. Dixon Ozark Jewels Boers, Nubians, Lamanchas and Alpines > I'm sorry to bring back this subject.. please forgive me but I made a > mistake in a previous post and don't want my " misinformation " to be > left uncorrected.. it was whooping cough that I did the " informal > survey " of and not chicken pox. When my family had the pox it was > extremely mild and no one even felt sick.. perhaps due in part to a > healthy diet? > > Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Ok-it is sad about your niece, however-who's to know she wouldn't have had a nasty reaction to the vaccine? How do you know that the chicken pox vaccine would have prevented her from the flesh eating disease, which is a mutated bacterium?? Its not that I am totally against vaccines, but-there has got to be a safer way to give them!! My kids have been vaccinated against measles and diptheria, etc, however, I AM against the way they go about it-3 Different needles in a tiny baby's leg, all at once! I have discussed the chicken pox dilemma with a friend who is a microbiologist and actually pro vaccine. She shook her head and said "no, the chickenpox one is not good". I feel there is a greater risk from the vaccine than from the illness, run its normal course. As an interesting sidenote to this discussion-guess who we have to thank for the smallpox vaccine?? Our COWS!! In fact "vaccine" is derived from the latin word for cow!! > On Aug 7, 2005, at 3:23 AM, RawDairy wrote:> > > I have a niece who nearly died a couple years ago due to a chicken> > pox complication. The pox got infected, luckily the dr caught it> > early because it was the flesh eating disease that was killing folks> > off a few years back. Does my sister wish she would have had the> > vaccine? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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