Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 The preservative used in all vaccines is Thermiosol. It is 95% Mercury, which we know disturbs neurological development. Children often get 3 vacs at a time, starting with three in the hospital, right after birth. Well, duh!! Merk claims it has taken it out but not in the millions of doses still on the shelves. (Merk is also a big user of fetal stem cell lines for their vaccines, chickenpox among them Lovely people.). From what I have read their was even a hush—hush meeting with FDA people and drug company heads to fight the Mercury issue because the liability is enormous. Since autism has exploded since the onset of universal vacs you’d think they would connect the dots, but no. Maeghan From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Ulmer Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:26 AM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: vaccines I have friends who's son and dil are both MD's. This couple (the MD's) youngest son is mildly autistic-but not from birth! Symptoms started showing up shortly after his first birthday, around the time the chicken pox vaccine is given (and of course their child was vaccinated!!). These MD's are still puzzled as to what caused the autism! A friend of mine, a microbiologist, said that the problem lies not with the actual vaccine bacteria, but with the carrier used. Needless to say-I declined chicken pox shots for my son, and will do so again for my daughter!! My Mom purposely infected us kids with chicken pox when we were little-let us play with the neighbors kids who had come down with it!! Not nice, but at least we know we've had varicella, and were not given it via needle!! Re: intro of Ruth in Lancaster, CA They just had a guy on the news in the last couple of days from the FDA defending the vaccination program for babies and youngsters. He claimed there was no association between vaccinating and all these problems. I didn't believe FDA about that either. I was shocked to find out how many vaccinations are being given today compared to what I had and what my daughter had in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 My sister had almost every childhood disease. The doctor told my mom to have me play with her so I would get them too. I never got anything except a very mild case of measles. We all come with some immunities. I agree it's the carrier that is causing the problems today. Back when I was a kid, I think they only used the live or killed vaccine and nothing else. Why they are using some of the carriers they are is a puzzlement. K.C. Re: intro of Ruth in Lancaster, CA They just had a guy on the news in the last couple of days from the FDA defending the vaccination program for babies and youngsters. He claimed there was no association between vaccinating and all these problems. I didn't believe FDA about that either. I was shocked to find out how many vaccinations are being given today compared to what I had and what my daughter had in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 My boy was developing normally until about 18 mos .. when he went in for some shots.. he had an adverse reaction and now he 5.5 years old and labeled autistic.. I prefer to call him vaccine damaged.. as that what he is.. be careful and educate yourself before getting your kids the jabs.. he cannot talk, play or interact with others.. it is sad.. and did not have to be.. I am getting him better, but it is a 24/7 job and is costing me over $30,000 a year in expenses with therapy, etc. (insurance does not reimburse this!!! Yikes.. and we are not wealthy) You DON”T need the shots to go to school.. you can get an exemption.. it is not hard to do.. just takes a little effort.. Easier than dealing with getting your autistic kid better.. if you are concerned about immunity.. try homeopathy.. they have homeopathic ‘vaccines’ called nosodes, which are better at giving immunity than the vaccines. You can do some research and find a good homeopathy in your area.. or join a homeopathy chat group to get help doing it yourself if you live out in the middle of nowhere..(my preferred destination!) Info on vaccines and exemptions. http://thinktwice.com/ http://www.vaclib.org/ -- help with exemption letters, etc… Trust your heart and your gut.. and don’t let the dr’s intimidate you.. you are the one who takes care of the child, not them. Tara From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Maeghan MacDougall Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:50 AM To: RawDairy Subject: RE: vaccines The preservative used in all vaccines is Thermiosol. It is 95% Mercury, which we know disturbs neurological development. Children often get 3 vacs at a time, starting with three in the hospital, right after birth. Well, duh!! Merk claims it has taken it out but not in the millions of doses still on the shelves. (Merk is also a big user of fetal stem cell lines for their vaccines, chickenpox among them Lovely people.). From what I have read their was even a hush—hush meeting with FDA people and drug company heads to fight the Mercury issue because the liability is enormous. Since autism has exploded since the onset of universal vacs you’d think they would connect the dots, but no. Maeghan From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Ulmer Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:26 AM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: vaccines I have friends who's son and dil are both MD's. This couple (the MD's) youngest son is mildly autistic-but not from birth! Symptoms started showing up shortly after his first birthday, around the time the chicken pox vaccine is given (and of course their child was vaccinated!!). These MD's are still puzzled as to what caused the autism! A friend of mine, a microbiologist, said that the problem lies not with the actual vaccine bacteria, but with the carrier used. Needless to say-I declined chicken pox shots for my son, and will do so again for my daughter!! My Mom purposely infected us kids with chicken pox when we were little-let us play with the neighbors kids who had come down with it!! Not nice, but at least we know we've had varicella, and were not given it via needle!! Re: intro of Ruth in Lancaster, CA They just had a guy on the news in the last couple of days from the FDA defending the vaccination program for babies and youngsters. He claimed there was no association between vaccinating and all these problems. I didn't believe FDA about that either. I was shocked to find out how many vaccinations are being given today compared to what I had and what my daughter had in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 The amish are some of the healthiest people on the planet and they do not vaccinate.. and they have nearly no known cases of autism or the like in their population. This isn't actually true - having grown up in Mennonite in Lancaster, PA, and have many Amish relatives, there are as many cases of autism and similar neurological disease among the Amish as the non-Amish in the area. plus, they get polio and small pox and German measles and other diseases and their children are affected by this when women get it pregnant, and children die of them early on. It just doesn't happen in hospitals in the public eye. Its not as quaint as it looks. They also have their own genetic anomalies that are specific to them - I had to get a battery of tests done before trying to get pregnant to rule out certain genetic problems that might be fatal to the infant. I am not a pro-vaccines, and I agree that vaccines cause as much sickness as they prevent and that good health via nutrition and healthy lifestyle is key...BUT not vaccinating does not make EVERYONE healthy. natural selection still happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I remember when they used that preservative in saline solution for contact wearers. I used some and it burned my eyes so bad I had to flush them. I threw it out and then started using saline without any preservatives. Now they have removed it from all contact solutions, I believe. At least its not in the ones I use. This was years ago. I guess they had so much they had to use in something, so they put it in vaccines. K.C. Re: intro of Ruth in Lancaster, CA They just had a guy on the news in the last couple of days from the FDA defending the vaccination program for babies and youngsters. He claimed there was no association between vaccinating and all these problems. I didn't believe FDA about that either. I was shocked to find out how many vaccinations are being given today compared to what I had and what my daughter had in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I agree that some vaccines are necessary to keep the population safe. However, we used to get, what 4 vaccines on 3 different occasions? Now I understand they give them about 30 shots? Don't we all carry immunes from our parents, even if not breast fed? It does seem a bit extensive. K.C. vaccines THere are a very large number of vaccines availabletoday, even more than when my children were born inthe '80s. That said, have you known anyone who hadpolio? Rumatic Fever as a complication of Chicken Pox?Rubella while pregnant? I saw all these in the '50swhen I grew up and saw them all in the '90s when Ivisited Africa. In particular, polio is on the risethere and can be prevented for about 20 cents a dose,if not for the politics involved. My folks let my oldest sister and two brothers geteverything from be when I brought it home from school.In the spring of 1961, when we had not had measles inour town since '56, half the elementry school missedmost of February and March with that ailment. Myyoungest brother nearly died of the fever from it ashe was only 4 months old when I brought it home. Mybaby sister, born in 1967 had only the chicken poxbecause she had the vaccines. There are two sides to this coin, be careful which youbet on. Bill Dunlap> __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 A good immune system will keep you free from disease.. not a vaccine.. vaccines do not always immunize.. and in most outbreaks it is the vaccinated that come down with the disease they were vaccinated against.. usually the unvaccinated do not get sick.. if I had it to to over again .. I would not vaccinate my kids.. Perhaps that is because there are not that many unvaccinated out there in the general population.. sure.. but the gov’t wants us all to believe that by assuming the risks of vaccination we are protected against the disease.. that is not true.. there is no guarantee. The amish are some of the healthiest people on the planet and they do not vaccinate.. and they have nearly no known cases of autism or the like in their population. If you neglect your immune system.. anything can get you. A child two winters ago that died from the flu was all over the national news as the poster child for the pro vaccination people.. she lived in the town next to me and I knew her neighbors.. they had some interesting info. What the mainstream news does not tell the public is that this child received a flu shot 2 weeks before she died of the flu ... so it did not protect her from getting the illness and one could even draw conclusions that the shot is what gave her the flu in the first place and it ultimately killer her.… and she probably would be alive today if she had NOT received the shot.. who knows.. or will ever know. the evidence is buried. Most flu shots contain thimerosol… which is mostly mercury .. a known neuro-toxin. There is a low mercury flu shot but it does have some mercury in it, and it is not widely available A good diet is more important than the shots. As you could never vaccinate yourself against every known threat to your health.. only a healthy immune system can protect you. If you have a crappy immune system, it is just a matter of time before something finishes you off. The Weston a price foundation has good info on diet.. Also keeping your body alkaline.. (ph above 6.4) is also important.. info can be found online.. or if you are interested email me and I can post more or send to you off list.. as I don’t want to bother those not interested in this topic,of getting healthy. And not succumbing to dis-ease. t From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of Tinybabe Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:55 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: vaccines I agree that some vaccines are necessary to keep the population safe. However, we used to get, what 4 vaccines on 3 different occasions? Now I understand they give them about 30 shots? Don't we all carry immunes from our parents, even if not breast fed? It does seem a bit extensive. K.C. vaccines THere are a very large number of vaccines available today, even more than when my children were born in the '80s. That said, have you known anyone who had polio? Rumatic Fever as a complication of Chicken Pox? Rubella while pregnant? I saw all these in the '50s when I grew up and saw them all in the '90s when I visited Africa. In particular, polio is on the rise there and can be prevented for about 20 cents a dose, if not for the politics involved. My folks let my oldest sister and two brothers get everything from be when I brought it home from school. In the spring of 1961, when we had not had measles in our town since '56, half the elementry school missed most of February and March with that ailment. My youngest brother nearly died of the fever from it as he was only 4 months old when I brought it home. My baby sister, born in 1967 had only the chicken pox because she had the vaccines. There are two sides to this coin, be careful which you bet on. Bill Dunlap > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I think you would be interested in this information. Sure glad our came on the scene after all these new vaccines and we don't get the flu shot ever. & Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ My boy was developing normally until about 18 mos .. when he went in for some shots.. he had an adverse reaction and now he 5.5 years old and labeled autistic.. I prefer to call him vaccine damaged.. as that what he is.. be careful and educate yourself before getting your kids the jabs.. he cannot talk, play or interact with others.. it is sad.. and did not have to be.. I am getting him better, but it is a 24/7 job and is costing me over $30,000 a year in expenses with therapy, etc. (insurance does not reimburse this!!! Yikes.. and we are not wealthy) You DON”T need the shots to go to school.. you can get an exemption.. it is not hard to do.. just takes a little effort.. Easier than dealing with getting your autistic kid better.. if you are concerned about immunity.. try homeopathy.. they have homeopathic ‘vaccines’ called nosodes, which are better at giving immunity than the vaccines. You can do some research and find a good homeopathy in your area.. or join a homeopathy chat group to get help doing it yourself if you live out in the middle of nowhere..(my preferred destination!) Info on vaccines and exemptions. http://thinktwice.com/ http://www.vaclib.org/ -- help with exemption letters, etc… Trust your heart and your gut.. and don’t let the dr’s intimidate you.. you are the one who takes care of the child, not them. Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Could you send me info privately? I do not allow the flu shot here either and would like info on keeping our immune up. & Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ RE: vaccines A good immune system will keep you free from disease.. not a vaccine.. vaccines do not always immunize.. and in most outbreaks it is the vaccinated that come down with the disease they were vaccinated against.. usually the unvaccinated do not get sick.. if I had it to to over again .. I would not vaccinate my kids.. Perhaps that is because there are not that many unvaccinated out there in the general population.. sure.. but the gov’t wants us all to believe that by assuming the risks of vaccination we are protected against the disease.. that is not true.. there is no guarantee. The amish are some of the healthiest people on the planet and they do not vaccinate.. and they have nearly no known cases of autism or the like in their population. If you neglect your immune system.. anything can get you. A child two winters ago that died from the flu was all over the national news as the poster child for the pro vaccination people.. she lived in the town next to me and I knew her neighbors.. they had some interesting info. What the mainstream news does not tell the public is that this child received a flu shot 2 weeks before she died of the flu .. so it did not protect her from getting the illness and one could even draw conclusions that the shot is what gave her the flu in the first place and it ultimately killer her.… and she probably would be alive today if she had NOT received the shot.. who knows.. or will ever know. the evidence is buried. Most flu shots contain thimerosol… which is mostly mercury .. a known neuro-toxin. There is a low mercury flu shot but it does have some mercury in it, and it is not widely available A good diet is more important than the shots. As you could never vaccinate yourself against every known threat to your health.. only a healthy immune system can protect you. If you have a crappy immune system, it is just a matter of time before something finishes you off. The Weston a price foundation has good info on diet.. Also keeping your body alkaline.. (ph above 6.4) is also important.. info can be found online.. or if you are interested email me and I can post more or send to you off list.. as I don’t want to bother those not interested in this topic,of getting healthy. And not succumbing to dis-ease. t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Dr. J. Wagner, At last a real scientist! Incomplete penatrance and/or predisposition to a disease can make all the difference, vaccine or not. There was an article in National Geographic about the genetic diseases of the Amish, some related to inbreeding, and the attempt to cure them. I have several Amish customers and they struggle with many of the same problems as the rest of us. Just not TV, radio and Pop Culture. Bill Dunlap __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 The best place to check is the Weston a price site http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html Get the sally fallon cookbook.. nourishing traditions. Info on increasing your ph.. http://www.google.com/search?q=ph+diet & sourceid=mozilla-search & start=0 & start=0 & ie=utf-8 & oe=utf-8 & client=firefox-a & rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official I am new with this whole ph thing.. so I don’t know much.. you can check out the willis chat group on yahoo and there are people there who are in the know. http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Williss Also another group for health questions is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Mr_s_Corner/ These sites are also good for health info http://www.mercola.com/ and http://educate-yourself.org/ click on banners you are interested in.. vaccine dangers, cancer, forbidden cures, ozone. These are amoungst some of the interesting topics on the site. Tara From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of & Debbie Chikousky Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:52 PM To: RawDairy Subject: Re: vaccines Could you send me info privately? I do not allow the flu shot here either and would like info on keeping our immune up. & Debbie Chikousky Manitoba, Canada gdchik@... http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ RE: vaccines A good immune system will keep you free from disease.. not a vaccine.. vaccines do not always immunize.. and in most outbreaks it is the vaccinated that come down with the disease they were vaccinated against.. usually the unvaccinated do not get sick.. if I had it to to over again .. I would not vaccinate my kids.. Perhaps that is because there are not that many unvaccinated out there in the general population.. sure.. but the gov’t wants us all to believe that by assuming the risks of vaccination we are protected against the disease.. that is not true.. there is no guarantee. The amish are some of the healthiest people on the planet and they do not vaccinate.. and they have nearly no known cases of autism or the like in their population. If you neglect your immune system.. anything can get you. A child two winters ago that died from the flu was all over the national news as the poster child for the pro vaccination people.. she lived in the town next to me and I knew her neighbors.. they had some interesting info. What the mainstream news does not tell the public is that this child received a flu shot 2 weeks before she died of the flu .. so it did not protect her from getting the illness and one could even draw conclusions that the shot is what gave her the flu in the first place and it ultimately killer her.… and she probably would be alive today if she had NOT received the shot.. who knows.. or will ever know. the evidence is buried. Most flu shots contain thimerosol… which is mostly mercury .. a known neuro-toxin. There is a low mercury flu shot but it does have some mercury in it, and it is not widely available A good diet is more important than the shots. As you could never vaccinate yourself against every known threat to your health.. only a healthy immune system can protect you. If you have a crappy immune system, it is just a matter of time before something finishes you off. The Weston a price foundation has good info on diet.. Also keeping your body alkaline.. (ph above 6.4) is also important.. info can be found online.. or if you are interested email me and I can post more or send to you off list.. as I don’t want to bother those not interested in this topic,of getting healthy. And not succumbing to dis-ease. t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I have friends who's son and dil are both MD's. This couple (the MD's) youngest son is mildly autistic-but not from birth! Symptoms started showing up shortly after his first birthday, around the time the chicken pox vaccine is given (and of course their child was vaccinated!!). These MD's are still puzzled as to what caused the autism! A friend of mine, a microbiologist, said that the problem lies not with the actual vaccine bacteria, but with the carrier used. Needless to say-I declined chicken pox shots for my son, and will do so again for my daughter!! My Mom purposely infected us kids with chicken pox when we were little-let us play with the neighbors kids who had come down with it!! Not nice, but at least we know we've had varicella, and were not given it via needle!! Re: intro of Ruth in Lancaster, CA They just had a guy on the news in the last couple of days from the FDA defending the vaccination program for babies and youngsters. He claimed there was no association between vaccinating and all these problems. I didn't believe FDA about that either. I was shocked to find out how many vaccinations are being given today compared to what I had and what my daughter had in the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 That's so sad. I read in the book The Maker's Diet by Dr. Jordan Rubin that cod liver oil is great to treat autism. The book doesn't specifically address autism much, but for overall health, which I'm sure would really help your son I really recommend it. & Debbie Chikousky wrote: I think you would be interested in this information. Sure glad our came on the scene after all these new vaccines and we don't get the flu shot ever. & Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/ My boy was developing normally until about 18 mos .. when he went in for some shots.. he had an adverse reaction and now he 5.5 years old and labeled autistic.. I prefer to call him vaccine damaged.. as that what he is.. be careful and educate yourself before getting your kids the jabs.. he cannot talk, play or interact with others.. it is sad.. and did not have to be.. I am getting him better, but it is a 24/7 job and is costing me over $30,000 a year in expenses with therapy, etc. (insurance does not reimburse this!!! Yikes.. and we are not wealthy) You DON”T need the shots to go to school.. you can get an exemption.. it is not hard to do.. just takes a little effort.. Easier than dealing with getting your autistic kid better.. if you are concerned about immunity.. try homeopathy.. they have homeopathic ‘vaccines’ called nosodes, which are better at giving immunity than the vaccines. You can do some research and find a good homeopathy in your area.. or join a homeopathy chat group to get help doing it yourself if you live out in the middle of nowhere..(my preferred destination!) Info on vaccines and exemptions. http://thinktwice.com/ http://www.vaclib.org/ -- help with exemption letters, etc… Trust your heart and your gut.. and don’t let the dr’s intimidate you.. you are the one who takes care of the child, not them. Tara __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I have a niece who nearly died a couple years ago due to a chicken pox complication. The pox got infected, luckily the dr caught it early because it was the flesh eating disease that was killing folks off a few years back. Does my sister wish she would have had the vaccine? Yep. That is one Christmas that we'll never forget, as the family wasn't able to be together due to the high risk of my niece being exposed to any other type of infection. How long ago was it when we had a measles outbreak? Before my dd was born, so maybe 15 years? There was an entire generation of kids who didn't get the vaccine, then one was on a plane with someone from Africa (or some such place), and was exposed. He brought it back here, to my little town, and we had an epidemic on our hands as all of WWU were exposed and at risk (several were hospitalized.) Not everyone experiences side effects of vaccinations, just like not everyone will end up with flesh eating disease along with their chicken pox. I don't think there's any real answer. And no, we don't inherit an immune system against these diseases from our parents. The only way to have that happen would be if people continued to die because of it, then the weak link would be gone and the remainder of the population would be those who's genetic make-up made them resistant in the first place. Since most of us have been vaccinated against something, at some point, there's not much chance of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I did an informal survey that included over 50 kids that got chicken pox a couple years ago. It was close to being 1/2 were vaccinated and 1/2 were not.. there was no difference in whether or not they got the bug and how long it lasted or how severe it was. Meg On Aug 7, 2005, at 3:23 AM, RawDairy wrote: > I have a niece who nearly died a couple years ago due to a chicken > pox complication. The pox got infected, luckily the dr caught it > early because it was the flesh eating disease that was killing folks > off a few years back. Does my sister wish she would have had the > vaccine? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Meg, Some questions for you. Did any of the kids die? Do any have lifetime problems? What questions did you ask these people? What one sees as severe another may not. Take your survey and multiply by 1000, will the findings be the same or will the vaccinated ones be less or more prone to the disease? The more examples you use, the results may vary. I don't like statistics. The way a question is worded can change the truth. I did and would again vaccinate my kids from certain things. I am not a " run to the doctor for every little thing " person. JMO > > > I have a niece who nearly died a couple years ago due to a chicken > > pox complication. The pox got infected, luckily the dr caught it > > early because it was the flesh eating disease that was killing folks > > off a few years back. Does my sister wish she would have had the > > vaccine? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 The ones that were NOT vaccinated also did not receive a dose of mercury to harm their nervous systems... Barbara > I did an informal survey that included over 50 kids that got chicken > pox a couple years ago. It was close to being 1/2 were vaccinated and > 1/2 were not.. there was no difference in whether or not they got the > bug and how long it lasted or how severe it was. > > Meg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 It's unfortunate that the vaccination issue is really two issues that should be debated separately, Mercury and the ethics/health issues of immunization. Why indeed can't vaccines be made without a dose of a poisonous substance? As for choosing a little poison or disease, this will have different consequences in every case due to the biochemical individuality of people. For myself, even the tiniest bit of mercury is too much- I am fighting a lifelong battle with mercury poisoning. Some people can carry a dose of mercury that would cripple me, and still function normally. However everyone has a point at which their body burden of xenobiotics will result in disease. Mercury simply doesn't belong in the human body. It would be nice to think that we could all have an immune system that would adequately fight off disease, but many of us don't and in some cases maybe vaccinations (without poisons or hidden viruses) are indicated. There is no one answer that I can see, but it seems we all can agree that neurotoxins don't belong in vaccines. > The ones that were NOT vaccinated also did not receive > a dose of mercury to harm their nervous systems... > > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Yes, you are right that there are two issues here. Many more people would be willing to get the vaccines if they knew there is no mercury in them. Unfortunately there is no way to tell up front which person will be affected badly. As for our adequate immune system, we could have it, if we were not fed the artificial, factory made food. Barbara It's unfortunate that the vaccination issue is really two issues that should be debated separately, Mercury and the ethics/health issues of immunization. Why indeed can't vaccines be made without a dose of a poisonous substance? As for choosing a little poison or disease, this will have different consequences in every case due to the biochemical individuality of people. For myself, even the tiniest bit of mercury is too much- I am fighting a lifelong battle with mercury poisoning. Some people can carry a dose of mercury that would cripple me, and still function normally. However everyone has a point at which their body burden of xenobiotics will result in disease. Mercury simply doesn't belong in the human body. It would be nice to think that we could all have an immune system that would adequately fight off disease, but many of us don't and in some cases maybe vaccinations (without poisons or hidden viruses) are indicated. There is no one answer that I can see, but it seems we all can agree that neurotoxins don't belong in vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 It's not just the mercury in vaccines that disturb me. Vaccines also contain substances like formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, MSG, aluminium, menthanol, etc. Google vaccine ingredients. Not things you want injected directly into your body. Weldon A Bit of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > Yes, you are right that there are two issues here. Many more people would > be willing to get the vaccines if they knew there is no mercury in them. > Unfortunately there is no way to tell up front which person will be affected > badly. > > As for our adequate immune system, we could have it, if we were not fed the > artificial, factory made food. > > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Yes, I know about those too but for simplicity I only used mercury in my reply. I also learned that most of those harmful substances wouldn't have to be used if the big farmas did not want to save money on the production of vaccines. You see, a single dose vial does not have to contain all those preservavtives but is more costly to produce so they make a 10 dose vials to save money. In a nutshell, they knowingly chose to harm people just to make more money. Barbara > It's not just the mercury in vaccines that disturb me. Vaccines also > contain substances like formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, MSG, > aluminium, menthanol, etc. Google vaccine ingredients. Not things > you want injected directly into your body. > > Weldon > A Bit of Earth Farm > Litchfield, Ohio > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 One way to make a decision re: vaccines is to look at familial history. We have ADHD, aspergers, and autism (all related conditions) in our extended family. Our family should not vaccinate any more. We know we are at a higher risk for trouble. My brother has yet to start a family, when he does you bet we will all reccomend not to vaccinate, I hope he marries an open minded woman. Kim > Yes, you are right that there are two issues here. Many more people would > be willing to get the vaccines if they knew there is no mercury in them. > Unfortunately there is no way to tell up front which person will be affected > badly. > > As for our adequate immune system, we could have it, if we were not fed the > artificial, factory made food. > > Barbara > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 One way to make a decision re: vaccines is to look at familial history. We have ADHD, aspergers, and autism (all related conditions) in our extended family. Our family should not vaccinate any more. We know we are at a higher risk for trouble. My brother has yet to start a family, when he does you bet we will all reccomend not to vaccinate, I hope he marries an open minded woman. Kim > Yes, you are right that there are two issues here. Many more people would > be willing to get the vaccines if they knew there is no mercury in them. > Unfortunately there is no way to tell up front which person will be affected > badly. > > As for our adequate immune system, we could have it, if we were not fed the > artificial, factory made food. > > Barbara > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 New in my husbands vet clinic are vaccines called purevacs. They were developed adjuvant free to address the risk of vaccine site sarcoma that is quite a problem. They are injected with an air gun, similar to what they used on Star Trek. They often test new medical treatments on animals first, does anyone know if vaccines like this are available for humans? Kim > It's not just the mercury in vaccines that disturb me. Vaccines also > contain substances like formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, MSG, > aluminium, menthanol, etc. Google vaccine ingredients. Not things > you want injected directly into your body. > > Weldon > A Bit of Earth Farm > Litchfield, Ohio > > > > Yes, you are right that there are two issues here. Many more > people would > > be willing to get the vaccines if they knew there is no mercury in > them. > > Unfortunately there is no way to tell up front which person will > be affected > > badly. > > > > As for our adequate immune system, we could have it, if we were > not fed the > > artificial, factory made food. > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > Archive search: http://onibasu.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Hi all, Just wanted to remind you about the message from the Home Page of Raw Dairy. Allow me to quote: " ...If the political post has to do with raw dairy directly, it is fine, otherwise please refrain from posting it as there are plenty of other forums for these kind of discussions. In addition, a few off-topic posts are fine as long as they are not inflammatory or divisive in nature, and as long as they are kept to a minimum.... " Thanks, D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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