Re: Alfalfa & Soy - Phytoestrogens

[Guest guest]

> I don't know, but as far as hay goes, alfalfa does not cause

mastitis. Sounds to me like those who insisted that only grass fed is

best is pushing this idea out there.

> K.C.

It came from Klastrup, O., G. Bakken, J Bramley and R. Bushnell.

1987 Environmental influences on bovine mastitis. Bulletin of the

international dairy federation, No 217, 37 pages

I don't think they had an ulterior motive in pushing grass fed only.

Cheyenne

[Guest guest]

So, what do we feed to supplement pasture if we can not use soy or alfalfa?

GMO corn at 10% protein? Cottonseed meal? Does anyone have a 16 or 18%

alternative that will work? I keep hearing what we can not use, but what can

we use?

Tina in TX

[Guest guest]

Sharon, Not always... My father raised and butchered his own meat as a child; my husband was raised by his grandparents (his legal guardians) and they raised their own food. We are now raising ours, after years of living as city folks, (my parents and his grandfolks, gone 6 years now) and my children are raising theirs now at ages 6 and 10. Sometimes the generations don't skip but half a beat. There is hope, and joy in this life.

Dona

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RE: Re: Alfalfa & Soy - Phytoestrogens

Add to that at least 2 generations (if not more) of people who are removed from knowing what real food is or how to prepare it? We’ve got a mess.

Sharon, NH

[Guest guest]

Feed alfalfa hay. I don't use cubes and I don't use soy, cottenseed or anything else except for a couple months before freshening. That's when I like to boost the protein with a block.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with good alfalfa hay. I would just stay away from bagged feeds.

K.C.

Re: Re: Alfalfa & Soy - Phytoestrogens

So, what do we feed to supplement pasture if we can not use soy or alfalfa?GMO corn at 10% protein? Cottonseed meal? Does anyone have a 16 or 18%alternative that will work? I keep hearing what we can not use, but what canwe use?Tina in TXPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

[Guest guest]

At 11:03 PM 4/2/05 -0600, you wrote:

> So, what do we feed to supplement pasture if we can not use soy or

>alfalfa?

> GMO corn at 10% protein? Cottonseed meal? Does anyone have a 16 or 18%

> alternative that will work? I keep hearing what we can not use, but what can

> we use?

>

> Tina in TX

Please note that the study excerpt noted that the amount of phytoestrogens

in alfalfa depended on the maturity of the plant.

MFJ

I don't wanna work, I wanna play in the dirt all day.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

In this thread it was pointed out that cows will eat alfalfa after grass

because alfalfa is brush. I think we may be comparing apples to oranges when

it comes to goats because the goats do the opposite. Goats browse on sticks

and bushes first, because they are usually more browsers than grazers. My

Nubian goats will eat some grass, but usually are much more interested in

chewing on branches and any bark available. They also really love leaves,

even last falls cottonwood leaves. They are able to use the minerals that

the trees and bushes bring up from deep in the ground.

Layla

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>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Re: Alfalfa & Soy - Phytoestrogens

>Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:53:48 -0000

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> > I don't know, but as far as hay goes, alfalfa does not cause

>mastitis. Sounds to me like those who insisted that only grass fed is

>best is pushing this idea out there.

>

> > K.C.

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> It came from Klastrup, O., G. Bakken, J Bramley and R. Bushnell.

>1987 Environmental influences on bovine mastitis. Bulletin of the

>international dairy federation, No 217, 37 pages

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> I don't think they had an ulterior motive in pushing grass fed only.

>

> Cheyenne

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[Guest guest]

I just though of something else on this topic. We are comparing alfalfa to

soy because they are both legumes, but that does not make them the same

thing. Sally Fallons Nourishing Traditions has a lot of recipes for properly

prepared legumes like beans, but does not have any soybean recipes and does

not encourage soybean use.

Layla

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>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Re: Alfalfa & Soy - Phytoestrogens

>Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:53:48 -0000

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> > I don't know, but as far as hay goes, alfalfa does not cause

>mastitis. Sounds to me like those who insisted that only grass fed is

>best is pushing this idea out there.

>

> > K.C.

>

> It came from Klastrup, O., G. Bakken, J Bramley and R. Bushnell.

>1987 Environmental influences on bovine mastitis. Bulletin of the

>international dairy federation, No 217, 37 pages

>

> I don't think they had an ulterior motive in pushing grass fed only.

>

> Cheyenne

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[Guest guest]

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> I realize that, but why are the farmers growing commodities that

> offer such dismal returns? The farmer has no excuse in this day of so

> much info to keep doing what doesn't work. There is tremendous profit

> in putting animals on grass. Does that mean we shouldn't have parity

> prices for milk which would be about $35 per hundred? Absolutely not.

> It is how the corporations got the farmers into bondage in the first

> place with help from their gov. cronies. I know farms that didn't buy

> into the B.S. and they remained profitable. The potential is much

> greater today with things such as fencing, swing parlors, organic,

> etc..

>

> There is no need for all the technology. That's only so they don't

> have to change/think. I am a farmer so I will pick on them. Not only

> that, but a very profitable farmer. We enjoy the income of our upscale

> neighbors. We don't live quite like them (boats,cars,etc.) because we

> are more interested in paying off debt. We have no off farm income

> and started 12 years ago with virtually nothing, so I like to shout

> our success from the housetops. Why? Because This simple system can be

> duplicated over and over and provide a decent living for all who want

> it. It is especially important to the small farms and the wanna be

> small farms. It does take a LOT of commitment and hard work. It is

> almost

> impossible to start from scratch following the industrial ag paradigm,

> but very possible with the simple grass farm. We do give all glory to

> God and feel He has allowed the immense blessings. My goal in life is

> to

> see millions of small profitable farms once again, the last drop of

> poison eliminated, and the last suffering animal released from

> confinement. And of course, only raw milk.

>

>

> Cheyenne

>

Absolutely incredible Cheyenne. These are my goals as well. I love

the way you have expressed yourself here.

:-)