Re: Looking younger, showering

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

My daughter Jenna is 18 and we are working on putting the bra on already

clasped, but sometimes all the straps get tangled, then she gets frustrated.

Jenna was puggy around the middle when she was a pre-teen and young teen, then

she outgrew that, and around 15 and 16 she was pretty skinny. I worry now

because I think she is done growing at 5 " 4 and is about 125 to 130. She is not a

snacker thankgoodness, she only eats the basic 3 meals a day and does not eat

any breakfast at all on school mornings (to early to eat). I try to put her on

the treadmill when I remember. Thinking about getting her a personal trainer

twice a week, and see how she does, wondering if anyone has done that?? Her

class does go into the school workout room once or twice a week. Jenna just

does not care about appearance or her clothes, I still pick most of them out, as

long as they are comfortable and tagless. She has no interest in fashion or

make-up/hairstyling. Which I think is why our daughters

look so much younger that the typical teenager. I have a NT eight year old

daugther, and she is ALL about fashion.

Sorry to go on and on, but I've enjoyed all of the posts here about our

teenage daughters.

Jane

Marie wrote:

Just reading comments about how young our girls look in general. My

Kimber

is 14yrs 10 mos & " unfortunately " is very well developed. She is pretty

tall too but gaining weight noticeably the last 6 mos. She's always had a

big tummy but now her face is fuller & everywhere else in general

Sometimes she washes her hair well but other times it's surface washing.

Her trick for putting on a bra is to have the clasp already on & pulling it

over her head like a sports bra. She puts it on after her shower & wears it

to bed, then she's all set to go in the morning. She's self sufficient in

getting dressed & is particular about what she'll wear on a certain day.

She's chosen to wear jeans/overalls on Sundays & now that she's choosing to

go to church, I can't get her to wear a dress; oh well.

Is it puberty that's making her gain weight & also her appetite which was

" healthy " to begin with is huge now too. I have to limit her intake or

she'll just keep eating! She's also not an active child so we've

incorporated walking into her daily program.

--

Marie

[Guest guest]

Jane,

Our daughter Mandy is 24 and could easily pass for 12. She does love clothes

and everything has to match. She does not care about current fashion, but has

to have soft clothes with soft seams or she won't wear them. When we were

trying to toilet train her we would put her in mis-matched clothes when she had

an accident and she toilet trained quickly after that. On the bra, we put her

in sports bras as she did not have to deal with the clasps and with the wide

straps it goes on with less hassle.

She was quite skinny until she had to be on Depakote for her seizures. It is

the only medicine that prevents them after having tried numerous medications

before that. I hate her weight but she does swim every day for exercise and we

only give her healthy food, so I figure until they come out with something else

for her seizures that is the best we can do.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

For people who go on & on....pls keep on going. It may seem like a lot when

you write, but to me, it doesn't take long to read, so I never mind. I have

to hope that others don't mind my rambling b/c I can never seem to get it

written concisely! : )

Marie (isn't there another Marie on this list? That's why I put my

last name)

>

> Hi Marie,

>

> My daughter Jenna is 18 and we are working on putting the bra on already

> clasped, but sometimes all the straps get tangled, then she gets

> frustrated. Jenna was puggy around the middle when she was a pre-teen and

> young teen, then she outgrew that, and around 15 and 16 she was pretty

> skinny. I worry now because I think she is done growing at 5 " 4 and is about

> 125 to 130. She is not a snacker thankgoodness, she only eats the basic 3

> meals a day and does not eat any breakfast at all on school mornings (to

> early to eat). I try to put her on the treadmill when I remember. Thinking

> about getting her a personal trainer twice a week, and see how she does,

> wondering if anyone has done that?? Her class does go into the school

> workout room once or twice a week. Jenna just does not care about

> appearance or her clothes, I still pick most of them out, as long as they

> are comfortable and tagless. She has no interest in fashion or

> make-up/hairstyling. Which I think is why our daughters

> look so much younger that the typical teenager. I have a NT eight year old

> daugther, and she is ALL about fashion.

> Sorry to go on and on, but I've enjoyed all of the posts here about our

> teenage daughters.

>

> Jane

>

> Marie wrote:

> Just reading comments about how young our girls look in general.

> My Kimber

> is 14yrs 10 mos & " unfortunately " is very well developed. She is pretty

> tall too but gaining weight noticeably the last 6 mos. She's always had a

> big tummy but now her face is fuller & everywhere else in general

>

> Sometimes she washes her hair well but other times it's surface washing.

> Her trick for putting on a bra is to have the clasp already on & pulling

> it

> over her head like a sports bra. She puts it on after her shower & wears

> it

> to bed, then she's all set to go in the morning. She's self sufficient in

> getting dressed & is particular about what she'll wear on a certain day.

> She's chosen to wear jeans/overalls on Sundays & now that she's choosing

> to

> go to church, I can't get her to wear a dress; oh well.

>

> Is it puberty that's making her gain weight & also her appetite which was

> " healthy " to begin with is huge now too. I have to limit her intake or

> she'll just keep eating! She's also not an active child so we've

> incorporated walking into her daily program.

>

> --

> Marie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Ladies I am so enjoying reading all the posts. My daughter is only 4.5 but I

often think about the unique set of challenges she will face when she is a

teenanger and it is really neat reading about what she may be like.

Thanks for sharing so much of your daughters lives with us.

Missy (Proud mom to )

Re: Looking younger, showering

For people who go on & on....pls keep on going. It may seem like a lot when

you write, but to me, it doesn't take long to read, so I never mind. I have

to hope that others don't mind my rambling b/c I can never seem to get it

written concisely! : )

Marie (isn't there another Marie on this list? That's why I put my

last name)

>

> Hi Marie,

>

> My daughter Jenna is 18 and we are working on putting the bra on already

> clasped, but sometimes all the straps get tangled, then she gets

> frustrated. Jenna was puggy around the middle when she was a pre-teen and

> young teen, then she outgrew that, and around 15 and 16 she was pretty

> skinny. I worry now because I think she is done growing at 5 " 4 and is about

> 125 to 130. She is not a snacker thankgoodness, she only eats the basic 3

> meals a day and does not eat any breakfast at all on school mornings (to

> early to eat). I try to put her on the treadmill when I remember. Thinking

> about getting her a personal trainer twice a week, and see how she does,

> wondering if anyone has done that?? Her class does go into the school

> workout room once or twice a week. Jenna just does not care about

> appearance or her clothes, I still pick most of them out, as long as they

> are comfortable and tagless. She has no interest in fashion or

> make-up/hairstyling. Which I think is why our daughters

> look so much younger that the typical teenager. I have a NT eight year old

> daugther, and she is ALL about fashion.

> Sorry to go on and on, but I've enjoyed all of the posts here about our

> teenage daughters.

>

> Jane

>

> Marie wrote:

> Just reading comments about how young our girls look in general.

> My Kimber

> is 14yrs 10 mos & " unfortunately " is very well developed. She is pretty

> tall too but gaining weight noticeably the last 6 mos. She's always had a

> big tummy but now her face is fuller & everywhere else in general

>

> Sometimes she washes her hair well but other times it's surface washing.

> Her trick for putting on a bra is to have the clasp already on & pulling

> it

> over her head like a sports bra. She puts it on after her shower & wears

> it

> to bed, then she's all set to go in the morning. She's self sufficient in

> getting dressed & is particular about what she'll wear on a certain day.

> She's chosen to wear jeans/overalls on Sundays & now that she's choosing

> to

> go to church, I can't get her to wear a dress; oh well.

>

> Is it puberty that's making her gain weight & also her appetite which was

> " healthy " to begin with is huge now too. I have to limit her intake or

> she'll just keep eating! She's also not an active child so we've

> incorporated walking into her daily program.

>

> --

> Marie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ruthie,

Thanks for the reply, have tried sports bra's but not for awhile, sometimes

they are tight to pull over the breasts and Jenna does not seem to have alot of

strength in her arms, she is also very asymetrical in size, which bothers her

when she is just out of the shower. Its so dramatic that if she were my NT

daughter I would allow her to have breast augmentation. I have tried to talk to

Jenna about how she would need surgery to fix her problem but not sure how much

she understands. I really have to watch what she wears. I have tried inserts on

one side but she pulls them out. Our next hurdle is wisdom teeth, she will be

getting hers out the end of January. She does well now with teeth cleaning and

even had a filling put in a few weeks ago. I just hope she on some level

understands the necessity of removing these teeth. She always continues to amaze

me, I think she understands more than I give her credit for at times. If I may

ask, how do you deel with female exams, or

have you yet?

Have you taught her how to do breast exams? My gyno. told me that I should

start that with Jenna soon, so that she knows what a " normal " breast feels like.

I realized my issues here may be different than alot of you parents who have

young daughters, so I hope I can be of some help to some of you, day be day is

all we can do, and its easier when we have a sounding board! Jenna has handled

things amazingly well, she is a real trooper.

Thanks Jane

Ruthie & Robbins wrote:

Jane,

Our daughter Mandy is 24 and could easily pass for 12. She does love clothes and

everything has to match. She does not care about current fashion, but has to

have soft clothes with soft seams or she won't wear them. When we were trying to

toilet train her we would put her in mis-matched clothes when she had an

accident and she toilet trained quickly after that. On the bra, we put her in

sports bras as she did not have to deal with the clasps and with the wide straps

it goes on with less hassle.

She was quite skinny until she had to be on Depakote for her seizures. It is the

only medicine that prevents them after having tried numerous medications before

that. I hate her weight but she does swim every day for exercise and we only

give her healthy food, so I figure until they come out with something else for

her seizures that is the best we can do.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

I'm Mandy's age and also wear sports bras almost

exclusively. I have fine motor difficulties and I just

dont like how most regular bras feel. A friend found

some " real bras " that are soft for if I NEED them but

I almost never DO.

I also like all my clothing soft. I have a couple

pairs of jeans that are older than dirt that I'll wear

but that's it...they're OLLLLDDD...I have to wear

mens'/boys' usually because I have NO hips (a doc even

noted that I have an 'ambiguous pelvis' once, nice to

know I guess) so theyre from goodwill.

Depakote is the only seizure med I HAVENT taken! They

suspect a mitochondrial disorder so I can't, that

could be disasterous-though it'd explain why I am the

runt by so much and have seizures and am the runt by

so much and can barely hit 130 pounds fully dressed on

PREDNISONE when my siblings are all really solid and

very very tall, among other things. I take a

combination of topamax/keppra/neurontin/eliminating

klonopin, after failing everything else. I've stayed

pretty small through it all and do gymnastics for

sensory integration and for exercise (and I had my

first meet Thursday...our leotards are blue and white,

I like leotards because theyre VERY soft, and they did

character awards rather than places. I got the

Determination award....got hurt on my 2nd event during

warmups and finished anyway).

It's interesting to know that MORE autistic folk look

young, no one thought I looked old at all Thursday. I

had 5 ponytails because my hair is just above my chin,

and everyone thought I was 14 or so.

Kassiane

--- Ruthie & Robbins

wrote:

> Jane,

>

> Our daughter Mandy is 24 and could easily pass for

> 12. She does love clothes and everything has to

> match. She does not care about current fashion, but

> has to have soft clothes with soft seams or she

> won't wear them. When we were trying to toilet

> train her we would put her in mis-matched clothes

> when she had an accident and she toilet trained

> quickly after that. On the bra, we put her in

> sports bras as she did not have to deal with the

> clasps and with the wide straps it goes on with less

> hassle.

>

> She was quite skinny until she had to be on Depakote

> for her seizures. It is the only medicine that

> prevents them after having tried numerous

> medications before that. I hate her weight but she

> does swim every day for exercise and we only give

> her healthy food, so I figure until they come out

> with something else for her seizures that is the

> best we can do.

>

> Ruthie

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Have you tried mens/boys pants (depending on what size

her waist is and how tall she is)? They tend to be

more pre-beat-up AND they dont expect hips. Ive got

the gymnast triangle shape, Ive got a friend who says

my body forgot to finish puberty and that's about

right, and that's what I wear if I'm not wearing soft

pants. Men's soft pants fit better too.

Kassiane

--- " L. Sherwood " wrote:

> Also....clothes are a major issue as well....she has

> slim hips..almost no waist and pants have a

> difficult time staying on her waist. She has a

> triangular shape...exactly like my mother in

> law..lol..while her NT sister and I have bubble

> butts....

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ruthie,

Wow, that is quite a traumatic tooth strory. My heart goes out to you and

your husband, it must of been so hard on both of you. Mandy sounds like she

toughed it out and pleased that she has a beautiful mouth. Great idea with the

RN and breast exams, I have two close friends that are RNs and Jenna knows them

well, so I may do the same. The Dr. that will take her wisdom teeth out, knows

her as when she was 14 we put her out for a few minutes to put all of her top

braces on her teeth. He will give her medicine to relax her in the waiting rm.

before the procdure, and then put her to sleep and she will not remember a thing

when she wakes. I really think she will do fine, and we have month to talk

about it with her.

For me, I just worry and pray that she truly at some level understands why she

has to have them out. MY worst fear is that she thinks I am some sort of monster

for putting her through the pain. Will let you know how she does.

Jane

Ruthie & Robbins wrote:

Jane,

Mandy can not do monthly breast exams. Going to the doctor's office is hard on

her, so we have a friend who is an RN who has a child with disabilities who does

it for Mandy every month. As it has been done in a non-threatening place and

manner we hope should she ever have a problem that she would allow herself to be

examined. As to a Pap type of exam we have never done it. We have had many

discussions with her doctor, and for the moment have decide that the trauma it

would cause is not worth it. We fully understand the consequences but if we ever

would have to have her sedated for something we would have it done then.

As to the teeth, I have a rather long story. Mandy had beautiful baby teeth, but

when her permanent teeth came in for some reason they can not explain she had no

enamel on them at all. This caused them to be soft, brittle and so on. Two and a

half years ago we finally found a dentist in San Francisco who did full mouth

reconstructions. The first day of surgery she was under 8 hours. They did 5

extractions, 4 root canals, one bridge, and moulds for 24 crowns. She spent the

night in the hospital, then a couple of days later they put her out for 7 hours

and completed the mouth. It was hard and drastic but the only way we could get

everything to work and save her teeth as well. Needless to say my husband will

never have a sports car as it is sitting in her mouth. However, she now goes to

the dentist without any problem, it used to be a disaster, she still shows

everyone her " new " teeth and it has dramatically improved her overall health. I

don't know what to tell you on the

wisdom teeth but find a dentist who is willing and able to do the work well and

to understand your daughter's needs.

Sorry to be so wordy, but if others need to have major work done on their

daughter's mouth's I would be happy to share more.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

Hi, Ruthie:

I know this question was not directed to me, I hope you won't mind my

replying, but my daughter has sensory issues too. Whe she was three she wore

her mittens every day, even in summer. She said " there might be breeezes, I

don't like breezes. " Every sock had to be checked for seams. No seams were

best but we had some success with turning socks inside out. All walks were

punctuated by stopping to remove real and imaginary stones from her shoe.(Come

to think of it happened yesterday too, even at eight, but at least only once and

the microscopic bit of sand was real) I still get frequent call from school when

it rains, in spite of sending changes of clothes, because she can't bear to wear

a wet sleeve edge or pant's cuff. I always go , the fifteen minutes it takes me

gains her two and a half hours of comfortable class time without meltdowns.

Symptoms have eased as she grows, and a manual of sensory integration I wish i

could remember the name for certain but I believe it was " building bridges

through sensory integration " , helped us help her cope. I got it at Odin books,

http://www.odinbooks.ca but it's pricey and a workbook manual written by OT's

and many parents have recommended " the out of sync child " and the " out of sync

child has fun " to me but I have yet to read them .

Things that have helped most are her daily massages, cream after every bath,

no perfumes dyes harsh chemicals in the house or laundry, taking her concerns

seriously, helping her to learn to relax( this one is going to take a while and

making tolerating it worth her while, rainy trips to petting zoos worked for

her, I don't know what motivates your daughter, it can take a while to find a

match.

Seasonal clothing changes i try not to make an issue of, I have her check the

weather on the weather channel, then have her make a match from her clothes and

jackets. She does end up wearing her raincoat on " 10% chance of rain days " but

she feels more secure. If clothes aren't comfortable she does not wear them, so

no tights with dresses, just leggings. Long sleeve tops of a cooler fabric help

too and keep the sun off but we live live in a mild climate.

Good Luck, I have learned a deep breath, as often as necessary.

Dana

Ruthie & Robbins wrote:

,

Could you please explain more how you feel when the seasons change and you move

from long sleeves to short sleeves? The change of seasons and clothing is very

hard on my daughter. We have tried everything to make it easier for her but

perhaps you could give us some advice on making it easier.

Thanks

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

Dana,

I appreciate your answer. Mandy is 24 and we were fortunate when she was young

to have a fabulous OT who addressed the sensory integration issues. They have

all become much better than they used to be but we still have this seasonal

issue. She no longer cries or melts down about it but it is still there. Since

the seasons are going to continue to change I just wish we could help her to

resolve this completely or at least that I could understand it better from

someone who is able to express it in language that I can understand to help her

through it. It may be one of those things that will never be resolved, but I do

appreciate any and all suggestions.

Thanks

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

Jane,

Please let me know how it goes. Some how the dentist thing is much harder to

explain than so many other things. Unfortunately if your mouth hurts it can not

simply be isolated until it is well. I will say prayers for you and Jenna.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

ruthie that is of hard for me too and so rarily will be of able to wear

of shorts even if the temperature is of much hot. i to often need to

tuck a t shirt into my pants and then wear of another shirt over top

due to sensory. If too much overloaded feeling will wear multiple

layers of clothing to reduce of touch and any slight draft of

temperature onto my skin that makes of me feel as if will go of crazy

like bugs crawling on my skin and causes me to rub of my skin to get of

the air off it. I to not even like of my own breath to come to my skin

atnight when of sleeping and if it does i to get of chillded much fast

and annoyed of it and so tuck of my arms under blankets in such a way

to keep my breath from not touching of my skin.

I to be of most often in hyper states of sensitivities and react to

them much rapidly and usually things others never seem to notice or

care aobut causes me great internal distress over the sensations of the

input.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

Thank you so much for what you said. I try so hard to understand the things

that affect our daughter and since she is non verbal she can not tell me. Your

insight helps so much. She can be overloaded so quickly, and over the years I

have learned to run intervention as best I can, but the clothing thing is not

something I can control due to the weather. I have learned to buy for her by

feeling clothes then choosing what she would like from that. At least I know

she feels like I try and hugs me when I try to explain.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Could you please explain more how you feel when the seasons change

> and you move from long sleeves to short sleeves?

I can try,

it is mostly the wind brushing up on skin that bothers me.

Sensory issues are my greatest problem from the time I started to

recognize me and surrounding. I think, it is hard to make one without

sensory issues understand and finding the right metaphors is sometimes

hard.

For me, light touch, even when my cat brushes up on my leg, is as if

there is fire on the skin, and when I am in stressful situations,

there are those 'fire blotches' appearing on my body, they wander, and

it feels like burned skin, but there is nothing to see, just this

sensation.

To avoid those sensations, long sleeves of a soft cloth are a good remedy.

H & M has those good looking simple shirts (they are a little shaped,

but no buttons or zippers) made of tshirt fabric with long sleeves.

Most of the times, I have those on, in Winter a woolen or polar fleece

sweater is on top of this, and then when it starts to get warmer, I

leave this upper layer away, and go long sleeved till it is so hot, I

sweat a lot (next sensory problem, the liquids running down the skin,

soaking the bra and shirt), then the short sleeved shirts come out.

To make it easier on me to remember which clothes are weather

appropriate (I would keep putting on the long sleeves out of habit)

I have only the seasonal clothes readily available in the closet. The

others I tuck away, washed and folded into those under bed commodes,

there they are moth proof and dont catch dust for the time they are

not used.

I remember mom 'raiding' the closets 4 times a year, and how stressful

that was for me, always fearing she would throw out my favourite

clothes because she thought they were shabby, too small or whatever.

A lot of whining was going on there, and my 3 years younger sister

could not understand this. Hers was done in half an hour, mine lasted

the rest of the afternoon. Bargaining to keep this or that still in

the closet, for when a cold bout will appear.

Maybe talking to your daughter about why the change of clothes is good

for her ( overheating is no fun) will help. I think, I would have

understood better, if there were more explanations to why those

'raids' had to be done. And, as long as it is not too hot, let her

wear long sleeves, if this is comfortable to her. I would rather sweat

a little, the feel uncomfortable because of the air movement on my skin.

Hope that helped?

nana.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ruthie for all your input on this board. Will let you know how Jenna

does with her wisdom teeth. Its not unitl the 31st.

Happy New Year.

Jane

Ruthie & Robbins wrote:

Jane,

Please let me know how it goes. Some how the dentist thing is much harder to

explain than so many other things. Unfortunately if your mouth hurts it can not

simply be isolated until it is well. I will say prayers for you and Jenna.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for putting this in to words for me. It at least gives me better insight

in to what is happening to her and how she may be feeling. I can not even

imagine how uncomfortable it must be for her. I have tried to understand but

perhaps now I can say words to her that might be of some help.

Thanks so much.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Nana,

>

> I loved 's web site! Great documentation of the early years and I

> loved that it was in English also. How many birds does have? I saw

> a lot of them and snakes!

At present she has one budgie (from a friend whose other budgie was

bullied by her)and Rasputin, one of the ones I dont know the english

name of it now.

Both females, and they get along well, and her snake Echnaton, the

other snake ate a mouse and went to sleep on the terrarium heater

right away, and died of it, and never got a second snake.

Echnaton is hibernating in the basement now.

Her Parents still have two budgies and two of the kind I forgot the

english name too and a couple (Surina and Lorenzo) of the parrots.

They dont breed any more (too much work), and keep those for as long

as they live (which might be longer than the humans taking care of them)

One of s sisters has two of the orther birds they have, and they

are being cared for by her parents untill she is done with her job edu.

It takes a lot of driving to classes and being in the workplace, so

not much time for the birds.

moved away from her parents into the region I live in, which is

around 500 km apart from her parents, and she still is looking for a

job. She has finished her job edu and now applies for jobs in the

Heidelberg area.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Nana,

>

> I loved 's web site! Great documentation of the early years and I

> loved that it was in English also. How many birds does have? I saw

> a lot of them and snakes!

At present she has one budgie (from a friend whose other budgie was

bullied by her)and Rasputin, one of the ones I dont know the english

name of it now.

Both females, and they get along well, and her snake Echnaton, the

other snake ate a mouse and went to sleep on the terrarium heater

right away, and died of it, and never got a second snake.

Echnaton is hibernating in the basement now.

Her Parents still have two budgies and two of the kind I forgot the

english name too and a couple (Surina and Lorenzo) of the parrots.

They dont breed any more (too much work), and keep those for as long

as they live (which might be longer than the humans taking care of them)

One of s sisters has two of the orther birds they have, and they

are being cared for by her parents untill she is done with her job edu.

It takes a lot of driving to classes and being in the workplace, so

not much time for the birds.

moved away from her parents into the region I live in, which is

around 500 km apart from her parents, and she still is looking for a

job. She has finished her job edu and now applies for jobs in the

Heidelberg area.

[Guest guest]

Nana,

I will say a prayer that finds a job. I am so encouraged by her

love for animals. My , age 12, loves animals. We go to the zoo

every week. She knows the names of the animals, where they are, facts

about them. It is great. Maybe she can have some birds when she gets

older.

Thanks

Shanna

> >

> >

> > Nana,

> >

> > I loved 's web site! Great documentation of the early years and

I

> > loved that it was in English also. How many birds does have? I

saw

> > a lot of them and snakes!

>

> At present she has one budgie (from a friend whose other budgie was

> bullied by her)and Rasputin, one of the ones I dont know the english

> name of it now.

> Both females, and they get along well, and her snake Echnaton, the

> other snake ate a mouse and went to sleep on the terrarium heater

> right away, and died of it, and never got a second snake.

>

> Echnaton is hibernating in the basement now.

>

> Her Parents still have two budgies and two of the kind I forgot the

> english name too and a couple (Surina and Lorenzo) of the parrots.

>

> They dont breed any more (too much work), and keep those for as long

> as they live (which might be longer than the humans taking care of

them)

>

> One of s sisters has two of the orther birds they have, and they

> are being cared for by her parents untill she is done with her job

edu.

> It takes a lot of driving to classes and being in the workplace, so

> not much time for the birds.

>

> moved away from her parents into the region I live in, which is

> around 500 km apart from her parents, and she still is looking for a

> job. She has finished her job edu and now applies for jobs in the

> Heidelberg area.

>

[Guest guest]

Nana,

I will say a prayer that finds a job. I am so encouraged by her

love for animals. My , age 12, loves animals. We go to the zoo

every week. She knows the names of the animals, where they are, facts

about them. It is great. Maybe she can have some birds when she gets

older.

Thanks

Shanna

> >

> >

> > Nana,

> >

> > I loved 's web site! Great documentation of the early years and

I

> > loved that it was in English also. How many birds does have? I

saw

> > a lot of them and snakes!

>

> At present she has one budgie (from a friend whose other budgie was

> bullied by her)and Rasputin, one of the ones I dont know the english

> name of it now.

> Both females, and they get along well, and her snake Echnaton, the

> other snake ate a mouse and went to sleep on the terrarium heater

> right away, and died of it, and never got a second snake.

>

> Echnaton is hibernating in the basement now.

>

> Her Parents still have two budgies and two of the kind I forgot the

> english name too and a couple (Surina and Lorenzo) of the parrots.

>

> They dont breed any more (too much work), and keep those for as long

> as they live (which might be longer than the humans taking care of

them)

>

> One of s sisters has two of the orther birds they have, and they

> are being cared for by her parents untill she is done with her job

edu.

> It takes a lot of driving to classes and being in the workplace, so

> not much time for the birds.

>

> moved away from her parents into the region I live in, which is

> around 500 km apart from her parents, and she still is looking for a

> job. She has finished her job edu and now applies for jobs in the

> Heidelberg area.

>