Re: Frightening article

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for sending this. This story just confirms what I have always

believed about the cause of our daughter's autism

Ruthie, mother of 23 years old.

[Guest guest]

Everytime my daughter got a vaccine she has a reaction to it. For instance she

developed a measles like rash from that vaccine. She developed an abscess in

her arm from a DTP shot. She was always more affected than my other children

from their shots. She was always feverish and lethargic more than usual. It

makes me feel so sick inside now knowing that this was basically poisoning my

baby and I took her there every time with my little immunization record book. I

know this is foolish, but I feel so responsible. I went to my pediatrician

recently with this discussion and she told me that the only people that believe

the connection are fanatics and extremists. Obviously I changed pediatricians

(within the group). I think until the American Academy of Pediatrics changes

their position we are going to be left out in the wind. In order for any of our

pediatricians to agree to this connection they have to agree that they disagree

with them.

I am in Wilmington and am looking for a new pediatrician. I have been through

about 7 so far and she is 10 years old. All I am looking for is to be taken

seriously. I keep trying to get someone to look at the whole child with the

belief that all her various disorders and symptoms are related and for some

reason it makes more sense to them that they are not related.

Very tired of all of this.

Terri

Re: Frightening article

,

Thank you for sending this. This story just confirms what I have always

believed about the cause of our daughter's autism

Ruthie, mother of 23 years old.

[Guest guest]

That article has me even more worried about vaccines. So are they still not

safe??? Should our daughters not get any more vaccines? had the flu

vaccine last year. Should I pass on it this year? Also her brother has been

vaxed so far (he's 15 months) I cancelled his well child this month because I

was afraid of the MMR shot. Should I be? Or do you think they would ok now.

Also if you don't vax how do you send your child to school. Our state only

allows religious exemptions. I am so scared of my son becoming autistic.

will be entering kindergarten next year and will be do for more shots.

Thanks

Missy ('s mom)

Frightening article

Hi Everyone,

This is an article forwarded to me by a friend in the

health industry. It confirms most of our fears about

vaccines and autism, like the thermosil was the

initial cause of autism so long ago. Read the article,

and pass it on to anyone you know with kids, they need

to know this stuff.

(Esther's Husband)

http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/news/deadly.asp

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[Guest guest]

There are two different issues with vaccines - both of which can

cause or make autism worse. By cause what I mean is recent research

has found that our kids have a genetic predisposition and vaccines

can be the trigger.

The first issue is metal. Mercury has been exposed as being a danger

so to some degree it has been removed. California however is the

only state where it has been required by law to be removed from

childhood vaccines therefore in other states it still is possible to

be in the vaccinations. Not only that, it has never been recalled so

even in California, there are vials in doctor's offices with mercury

still. This is only for childhood vaccines though. The flu vaccine

is not considered a childhood vaccine. Even if mercury has been

removed, it had to be replaced with something else as a

preservative. Many companies have opted for aluminum which is not a

whole lot better.

The second issue over vaccines is specifically the MMR. MMR vaccine

does not have mercury and never did. The issue with this is

according to Dr. Wakefield, the measles portion. Our kids are not

able to fight off this live virus and therefore get gut damage from

it. He is a gastroenterologist that works at Thoughtful House in

Texas. Prior to this, he worked in the UK doing research on the

affects of the measles portion of the vaccine. He discovered our

kids have a new GI disease in which it is activated by this measles

virus. The way he described it is by telling about a certain kind of

ground squirrel in Russia. These squirrels have an organism in their

throat but it does not harm them. Several kilometers away, these

same squirrels are dying by the hundreds by that organism. A

university in Russia did a study to find out why and they found the

ones that were dying were eating grass that was high in lead. This

lead was activating the organism and causing them to die. This is

what he believes is happening with the measles portion of the MMR

vaccine. You can read more about his research at

www.thoughtfulhouse.org. I read somewhere else that there is a

question if some with autism can really become immune to measles. If

find this interesting since my mom believes she is aspergers and she

has had the measles twice. When she had her titers checked, she

still did not show immune.

I don't know if there is any connection of the flu vaccine and autism

other than the fact that the majority available does in fact have

thimerisol and from what I read previously on the CDC website, they

don't always have to disclose it. To me though, the flu vaccine is

not a smart choice. First, it only can protect from 3 strains of

flu. There are hundreds though. The chances are great that you

could be exposed to a different strain and still get it. Not only

that, I have read that it can cause the immune system to weaken

making one more susceptible to the other strains. My mom is diabetic

and has been urged for years to get the flu vaccine. Every year, she

gets the worst case of the flu within days of the vaccine.

Regardless, her doctor assures her it would have been worse had she

not gotten it. A couple years ago, I convinced her not to get it.

Ever since, he has gotten the flu twice and both times were extremely

mild. She said she will never get the flu vaccine again. When this

topic has come up on other lists, there are often stories very

similar where her experience is quite common. Getting the flu

vaccine makes one more likely to get the flu!

As for vaccine exemption, I have never had a problem with the

school. I signed the religious exemption on the back of the card

(which I have no problem with since some vaccines have aborted fetal

tissue in them) and they makes comments like they don't blame me. My

most difficult time is dealing with doctors that are indoctrinated

into believing they are protecting our kids and no harm can come of

it.

Here is my family history:

Child #1 - developed rheumatoid arthritis within a week of his MMR

Child #2 - no delays or health problems but my only girl

Child #3 - regressed into autism after his MMR

Child #4 - started having symptoms of celiac disease after his DPT

which though it is a genetic condition requires some sort of trauma

to trigger it

Child #5 - totally unvaccinated and at age 22 months, shows no sign

of delays but does have some mild food intolerances

>

> That article has me even more worried about vaccines. So are they

still not safe??? Should our daughters not get any more vaccines?

had the flu vaccine last year. Should I pass on it this year?

Also her brother has been vaxed so far (he's 15 months) I cancelled

his well child this month because I was afraid of the MMR shot.

Should I be? Or do you think they would ok now. Also if you don't

vax how do you send your child to school. Our state only allows

religious exemptions. I am so scared of my son becoming autistic.

will be entering kindergarten next year and will be do for

more shots.

> Thanks

> Missy ('s mom)

> Frightening article

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> This is an article forwarded to me by a friend in the

> health industry. It confirms most of our fears about

> vaccines and autism, like the thermosil was the

> initial cause of autism so long ago. Read the article,

> and pass it on to anyone you know with kids, they need

> to know this stuff.

> (Esther's Husband)

>

> http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/news/deadly.asp

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with what says, and I have a few more concerns. One

is the aluminum issue. Aluminum is the adjuvent of every single

vaccine (as far as I know, and aluminum isn't good for us, either.

That and my understanding is that mercury is still being used in the

santization process and then filtered, and it can't be filtered

because it binds to the proteins of the vaccine. If you notice,

thimerosal is being said " preservative " and when they

say " preservative-free " it doesn't mean it's not used in another

part of the process. Mercury and aluminum together bond to make an

even more deadly compound than by themselves.

A second issue is the immune function of the body. I personally

believe an 8 wk old baby has no business getting 5 different disease

exposures in 1 visit. Sure, we come into contact with all sorts of

microbes each day. However, 8 wk old babies come into little

contact. They aren't walking or even crawling, they are being held

by their families each day. Heck, my babies at that age were in my

arms, hubby's arms, or big sisters only AFTER washed hands and they

were wrapped in clean blankets. If my baby was exposed to someone

with pertussis, diptheria, tetanus, hepatitis B, and influenza,

would she survive? Why then do we expect them to have exposure to

all these vaccines with no adverse reaction?

I'm taking microbiology this semester and we're currently studying

the immune response. Monday we do immunizations, lol. The more I

learn, the more convinced I am that we know so little about the

human body. It really scares me all the ways we try to outdo our

natural processes. Don't get me wrong, medicine serves an important

role. I just think we're gonna find in the coming years that

vaccines have way more serious contraindications than we ever

realized. In order for my kids to ever get another vaccine, it's

gonna have to be way more serious that fearing something like

chicken pox.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Debi:

I " m following this thread with great interest. Please let us know what you

covered in class Monday. For me this is such an emotional issue I can only

absorb it in small bites and these e-mails are perfect for me to begin tackling

this issue again.

Dana

Debi wrote:

I agree with what says, and I have a few more concerns. One

is the aluminum issue. Aluminum is the adjuvent of every single

vaccine (as far as I know, and aluminum isn't good for us, either.

That and my understanding is that mercury is still being used in the

santization process and then filtered, and it can't be filtered

because it binds to the proteins of the vaccine. If you notice,

thimerosal is being said " preservative " and when they

say " preservative-free " it doesn't mean it's not used in another

part of the process. Mercury and aluminum together bond to make an

even more deadly compound than by themselves.

A second issue is the immune function of the body. I personally

believe an 8 wk old baby has no business getting 5 different disease

exposures in 1 visit. Sure, we come into contact with all sorts of

microbes each day. However, 8 wk old babies come into little

contact. They aren't walking or even crawling, they are being held

by their families each day. Heck, my babies at that age were in my

arms, hubby's arms, or big sisters only AFTER washed hands and they

were wrapped in clean blankets. If my baby was exposed to someone

with pertussis, diptheria, tetanus, hepatitis B, and influenza,

would she survive? Why then do we expect them to have exposure to

all these vaccines with no adverse reaction?

I'm taking microbiology this semester and we're currently studying

the immune response. Monday we do immunizations, lol. The more I

learn, the more convinced I am that we know so little about the

human body. It really scares me all the ways we try to outdo our

natural processes. Don't get me wrong, medicine serves an important

role. I just think we're gonna find in the coming years that

vaccines have way more serious contraindications than we ever

realized. In order for my kids to ever get another vaccine, it's

gonna have to be way more serious that fearing something like

chicken pox.

Debi

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Well, today we talked about the different types of immunizations and

what the pros and cons are as far as immune response. Near the end of

class she (professor) had on her powerpoint the book's statement that,

as of now, there have been no scientific links to autism, asthma, or

diabetes from vaccines. I told her I had to assert my commentary, she

laughed and asked me to come to the front of the lecture hall. I told

them about Allie, how she was developing typically until the hepB at 9

mos, how she stopped eating, babbling, pulling up, etc. I also stated

that while I accept it takes mainstream science a very long time to

accept new evidence, that there are hundreds of scientific studies

showing correlations between autism and vaccines, I stated the 50

something pages of pubmed studies on thimerosal alone and all the

correlations & gave the cysteine & methionine issues as one example. I

also stated that DAN! has 2 meetings per year in which they discuss

their studies, findings, and give new treatment info. I finished by

stating I believe that vaccines to offer some benefit and that I would

never tell someone not to immunize, but I will tell everyone to become

informed of *all* benefits and risk and decide if one's personal

situation is worth the benefits/risks on both sides.

I'd be happy to go back through my notes and post the outlines of the

various types of vaccines if you'd like. I think it takes years to

even begin to comprehend the issue!

Debi

>

> Debi:

>

> I " m following this thread with great interest. Please let us know

what you covered in class Monday. For me this is such an emotional

issue I can only absorb it in small bites and these e-mails are

perfect for me to begin tackling this issue again.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

You go girl! I'll bet your teacher wished she never asked you to

come forward. She probably thought you would dig yourself a hole she

could bury you in but you were too informed.

-- In Autism_in_Girls , " Debi "

wrote:

>

> Well, today we talked about the different types of immunizations and

> what the pros and cons are as far as immune response. Near the end

of

> class she (professor) had on her powerpoint the book's statement

that,

> as of now, there have been no scientific links to autism, asthma, or

> diabetes from vaccines. I told her I had to assert my commentary,

she

> laughed and asked me to come to the front of the lecture hall. I

told

> them about Allie, how she was developing typically until the hepB

at 9

> mos, how she stopped eating, babbling, pulling up, etc. I also

stated

> that while I accept it takes mainstream science a very long time to

> accept new evidence, that there are hundreds of scientific studies

> showing correlations between autism and vaccines, I stated the 50

> something pages of pubmed studies on thimerosal alone and all the

> correlations & gave the cysteine & methionine issues as one

example. I

> also stated that DAN! has 2 meetings per year in which they discuss

> their studies, findings, and give new treatment info. I finished by

> stating I believe that vaccines to offer some benefit and that I

would

> never tell someone not to immunize, but I will tell everyone to

become

> informed of *all* benefits and risk and decide if one's personal

> situation is worth the benefits/risks on both sides.

>

> I'd be happy to go back through my notes and post the outlines of

the

> various types of vaccines if you'd like. I think it takes years to

> even begin to comprehend the issue!

>

> Debi

>

>

> >

> > Debi:

> >

> > I " m following this thread with great interest. Please let us

know

> what you covered in class Monday. For me this is such an emotional

> issue I can only absorb it in small bites and these e-mails are

> perfect for me to begin tackling this issue again.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Naa, this teacher is great! She's reading Evidence of Harm right now,

I gave her a copy. She really runs the class with an open mind about

listening to everyone. She even said in the middle of class that I

know more about it than she does, said it in front of 200 people. Wow.

That inflated my head for a second, lol.

Debi, who has MUCH to learn

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Debi.

Debi wrote: Well, today we talked about the

different types of immunizations and

what the pros and cons are as far as immune response. Near the end of

class she (professor) had on her powerpoint the book's statement that,

as of now, there have been no scientific links to autism, asthma, or

diabetes from vaccines. I told her I had to assert my commentary, she

laughed and asked me to come to the front of the lecture hall. I told

them about Allie, how she was developing typically until the hepB at 9

mos, how she stopped eating, babbling, pulling up, etc. I also stated

that while I accept it takes mainstream science a very long time to

accept new evidence, that there are hundreds of scientific studies

showing correlations between autism and vaccines, I stated the 50

something pages of pubmed studies on thimerosal alone and all the

correlations & gave the cysteine & methionine issues as one example. I

also stated that DAN! has 2 meetings per year in which they discuss

their studies, findings, and give new treatment info. I finished by

stating I believe that vaccines to offer some benefit and that I would

never tell someone not to immunize, but I will tell everyone to become

informed of *all* benefits and risk and decide if one's personal

situation is worth the benefits/risks on both sides.

I'd be happy to go back through my notes and post the outlines of the

various types of vaccines if you'd like. I think it takes years to

even begin to comprehend the issue!

Debi

>

> Debi:

>

> I " m following this thread with great interest. Please let us know

what you covered in class Monday. For me this is such an emotional

issue I can only absorb it in small bites and these e-mails are

perfect for me to begin tackling this issue again.

>

> Dana

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Debi.

Debi wrote: Well, today we talked about the

different types of immunizations and

what the pros and cons are as far as immune response. Near the end of

class she (professor) had on her powerpoint the book's statement that,

as of now, there have been no scientific links to autism, asthma, or

diabetes from vaccines. I told her I had to assert my commentary, she

laughed and asked me to come to the front of the lecture hall. I told

them about Allie, how she was developing typically until the hepB at 9

mos, how she stopped eating, babbling, pulling up, etc. I also stated

that while I accept it takes mainstream science a very long time to

accept new evidence, that there are hundreds of scientific studies

showing correlations between autism and vaccines, I stated the 50

something pages of pubmed studies on thimerosal alone and all the

correlations & gave the cysteine & methionine issues as one example. I

also stated that DAN! has 2 meetings per year in which they discuss

their studies, findings, and give new treatment info. I finished by

stating I believe that vaccines to offer some benefit and that I would

never tell someone not to immunize, but I will tell everyone to become

informed of *all* benefits and risk and decide if one's personal

situation is worth the benefits/risks on both sides.

I'd be happy to go back through my notes and post the outlines of the

various types of vaccines if you'd like. I think it takes years to

even begin to comprehend the issue!

Debi

>

> Debi:

>

> I " m following this thread with great interest. Please let us know

what you covered in class Monday. For me this is such an emotional

issue I can only absorb it in small bites and these e-mails are

perfect for me to begin tackling this issue again.

>

> Dana

>

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There, my cat just sent this group an e-mail before I finished composing it. I

guess she needs me to speak up. Thank you Debi, I kept dissolving into tears

every time I read this.

Eight years ago before I immunized my baby I made certain I was " aware of all

the facts. " I thought I did extensive reading and research, I considered the

sources, weighed the pros and cons, and came down, just barely, on the

pro-immunization side. While I know I made the best decision I knew how to

make, there were factors I was not aware of at that time. But looking back, and

knowing my child as well as I did, I already had an inkling that she was wired

differently, What I did not realize was that she was part of a vulnerable

population, and that as her Mom, I was the only one who knew this.

Carmen is one of the most fascinating people I have ever known, I absolutely

love her, and the wonderful children and adults that her magical magnetic

personality bring into my life. I do think that she was on the spectrum from the

beginning. Could I have spared her some pain If I had not immunized her, I

can't really know.

Debi, I asked you to let me know what was covered in class, because I knew you

were not going to just sit there, I knew you would speak up and give voice to

your experience. Don't get me wrong, I am a pretty good advocate, resourceful,

and have built a good community of support here, but it has taken me three hours

to compose this e-mail I guess because I'm finally allowing myself to have a

grief reaction.

Really grateful,

Dana

Dana Noah wrote:

Thank you, Debi.

Debi wrote: Well, today we talked about the different

types of immunizations and

what the pros and cons are as far as immune response. Near the end of

class she (professor) had on her powerpoint the book's statement that,

as of now, there have been no scientific links to autism, asthma, or

diabetes from vaccines. I told her I had to assert my commentary, she

laughed and asked me to come to the front of the lecture hall. I told

them about Allie, how she was developing typically until the hepB at 9

mos, how she stopped eating, babbling, pulling up, etc. I also stated

that while I accept it takes mainstream science a very long time to

accept new evidence, that there are hundreds of scientific studies

showing correlations between autism and vaccines, I stated the 50

something pages of pubmed studies on thimerosal alone and all the

correlations & gave the cysteine & methionine issues as one example. I

also stated that DAN! has 2 meetings per year in which they discuss

their studies, findings, and give new treatment info. I finished by

stating I believe that vaccines to offer some benefit and that I would

never tell someone not to immunize, but I will tell everyone to become

informed of *all* benefits and risk and decide if one's personal

situation is worth the benefits/risks on both sides.

I'd be happy to go back through my notes and post the outlines of the

various types of vaccines if you'd like. I think it takes years to

even begin to comprehend the issue!

Debi

>

> Debi:

>

> I " m following this thread with great interest. Please let us know

what you covered in class Monday. For me this is such an emotional

issue I can only absorb it in small bites and these e-mails are

perfect for me to begin tackling this issue again.

>

> Dana

>

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Debi-That would be great if you could post your notes/outline. The school nurse

where we take our 3yo daughter with autism had the nerve to send us and the

other 'autism' parents a bunch of brochures from a hospital in PA saying

Vaccines are safe. I'd love to send something back to her with some articles

that say, not always!

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

These notes wouldn't help, it's pretty much a description of the

different types of vaccines. It's a pro-vaccine textbook, but my

teacher is open to discuss all issues.

I can find you some stuff, will post later.

Debi